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@UltimaterializerX Warcraft 3 Reforged is pure trash

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What? Why?

Why is it trash?

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Ilishe posted...

What? Why?

Why is it trash?

from what I've heard it's a big buggy mess right now

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https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/evmjjr/warcraft_iii_reforged_and_blizzard_currently/

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Ulti being happy is always bad.

But this looks like a disaster. Is anything an easier slam dunk than overhauling Warcraft 3? Blizzard was starting too....I mean, they weren't actually turning anything around, but the hate storm was starting to pass purely due to time.

clearly they should just do a revamped version where they take the story and port it over to Heartstone as a classic campaign.

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Activision is destroying (destroyed?) Blizzard.

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but who cares it's just warcraft

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Honestly by war3/frozen throne blizzard was on the decline, but activision buying blizzard around you know when....was the official death sentence

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https://www.reddit.com/r/WC3/comments/evdujd/the_entire_game_is_broken/

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UltimaterializerX posted...

Honestly by war3/frozen throne blizzard was on the decline, but activision buying blizzard around you know when....was the official death sentence

Happened long before 2007.

activision buying blizzard? Negotiations were in 07 ended in 08? Now if you mean the decline of blizzard? Ya id say the beginning of the bullshit was 2002/2003 with how war3/tft kinda disappointed overall.

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War 3 TFT was the best game of its time regardless of genre.

The game itself was very good, but everything that was made possible by Battlenet and the World Editor elevated it to incredible heights.

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The single player and the editor of Warcraft 3: Reign of Chaos were great, but the multiplayer had a lot of questionable decisions. Frozen Throne was greatly improved, no doubt in part due to them hiring Tom Cadwell to work on the multiplayer. He is considered one of the pioneers of a lot of RTS fundamentals in the original Starcraft and won the first Brood War tournament. Many multiplayer issues were fixed in Warcraft III due to his influence and the game went on to become a competitive e-sport. He later left Blizzard though, and went on to work as the design director for Riot Games around 2008 (where he still works) and was again a major contributor to the success of one of the most popular e-sports in the world.

See: https://www.giantbomb.com/tom-cadwell/3040-75297/

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Ilishe posted...

War 3 TFT was the best game of its time regardless of genre.

The game itself was very good, but everything that was made possible by Battlenet and the World Editor elevated it to incredible heights.

War3s map editor was vast sure, but cmon dude war 3 was pretty flawed

War3s story was forgettable imo. Basically a retelling of starcraft only the protoss were split into the orcs (stronger units and looking for a new homeland) and night elves (mysterious and intelligent but also problems with being too traditional in their ways). Never understood the war 3 story praise

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https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/warcraft-iii-reforged
Down to 0.9
Jesus

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Metal_DK posted...

Never understood the war 3 story praise

If you don't reductively ignore all the characters it makes more sense

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I thought war 3's story was fine in a vacuum. Of course I thought all the stuffy characters were frustrating, and arthas went off the deep end a little too quickly.

My only grumblings were related to retcons of wc1 and wc2. Not that those games had some amazing story, but if I'm participating in a franchise I like consistency.

And the game deserves a rating of 0 if it literally doesn't work

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foolm0r0n posted...

If you don't reductively ignore all the characters it makes more sense

That character arcs are similar to starcrafts as well

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Nanis23 posted...

https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/warcraft-iii-reforged
Down to 0.9
Jesus

0.8

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Finished the Human Campaign
Some points-

-Overall, this is still Warcraft 3. Which is a good thing or a bad thing, depending on your views on the original Warcraft 3.

-I am glad that they included the demo missions as part of the prologue. No idea why they didn't do this in the original/via updates

-Experienced some massive FPS drops in the second (or the third mission) no idea what was up with that because it didn't happen later

-With that said, game doesn't feel smooth. the movement of the heroes look like in 10 FPS or something

-I really like Warcraft 3. I do. But there are two things that I couldn't stand - the Upkeep mechanics and the pathing
Now obviously upkeep is here to stay...but couldn't they fix the pathing at least?
When I control a team and I want to pick up a item with my hero, other units block the hero and won't fucking move to let him pass. This is so stupid. It was forgiveable 18 years ago. Now..not so much

-During the years Warcraft 3 got many patches. In one of the patches they changed the tomes to be auto activated upon picking up. In the early missions some NPC give you a tome and says "here, have this item" and it just activates without you even understanding what the hell happened. This is stupid. They should have changed it to be less confusing

-In another patch, they nerfed Mountain King Storm Bolt to not being able to cast on buildings. This was for a ladder balance, but it made the mission of destroying the ships so much harder. To make matters worse, there is still even in-game hint that tells you to use the Storm Bolt to destroy the ships...yet you can't. Wow......

-They no longer refer to Grom as Grom, but rather "Hellscream" or "Grommish". Noticed it right away

-Some cutscenes ARE different. Arthas Picking up Frostmourne is animated. Arthas killing Mal'Ganis by stabbing him with the sword and twisting it inside of him is animated. Sadly, those are the only two cutscene differences I found yet. Oh and I think Muradin dying to the Ice Shard was modified too..but for the worse, because I couldn't even see the shards? maybe I just missed it

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Is Furion still called Furion?

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Starcraft II was the last thing Blizzard didnt fuck up. So...2013 or so? Cant remember when Legacy of the Void came out.

Haunter12O posted...

Starcraft II was the last thing Blizzard didnt fuck up. So...2013 or so? Cant remember when Legacy of the Void came out.

Hm...gameplay wise, Starcraft 2 was good
But splitting it to 3 parts hurt sales badly, it always felt "not complete" before LotV came out and then it was too late to care about Starcraft 2
And the story in the campaign is a mess, probably the worst story I have ever seen when compared to the original game
Kerrigan turned from being one of the best female villain of all times to one of the worst written characters ever

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to be fair they arent complaining about the game, otherwise warcraft 3's original release would have the same score.

And Starcraft 2 was pretty fucked up, the last great thing blizzard did was Diablo 2/LoD. Although Warcraft 3/TFT in 02/03 wasnt nearly as bad as ulti has always said, it was still easily the beginning of my issues with blizzard.

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so how long until ulti buys this anyway

do you think he already did
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As soon as they release something Hearthstone related to the purchase of it he will.

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Got to the final mission of the Undead and...
They did a fantastic job in the "The Siege of Dalaran" mission
THIS IS WHAT I EXPECTED REFORGE TO BE
Too bad this is the only mission so far that I noticed any changes
To quote the wiki-

Reforged remaster, the map's layout has been changed somewhat.

• The main quest name and description updated. Now requires to kill three random archmages and then Antonidas in the Violet Citadel.
• New optional quest added - Violet Council. Description: Dalaran's elite council of nine is spread throughout the city summoning reinforcements, and guarding treasures. Crush them to ease your path to victory.
• There are nine Council Wizards that can be slain in order to gain access to the various vaults holding either resources or other Dalaran experiments.
• On occasion, the wizards will summon their experiments to help attack the undead forces.

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Nanis23 posted...

-They no longer refer to Grom as Grom, but rather "Hellscream" or "Grommish". Noticed it right away

And in the Orc campaign they kinda forgot about it so he is back to "Grom"

What a mess

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In a long history of blatant cash grab, this is quite possibly the most blatant one yet.

OrangeCrush980 posted...

Is Furion still called Furion?

No he is called Malfurion now

So I completed the sidequest "Crazed Furbolgs" in the fourth mission of the Night Elves campaign
The boss is supposed to drop Claw of Attack +6 but he didn't drop anything
I even loaded a previous save to make sure I didn't actually destroy the item by mistake..and nope, doesn't drop anything
There is a fucking side quest that doesn't give you a reward
What a fucking MESS

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Finished Reign of Chaos Campaign
Yeah I can't notice any changes in cutscenes or maps anymore
I mean there were barely any...but the Orc and Night Elves campaigns has none

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Did you even play it

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So once again gamers complain about a thing but then pay for it anyway completely negating anything they say.

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UltimaterializerX posted...

Writing the review now.

That reminds me... *checks Ulti's latest contributions*

Holy shit a Lolo review

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