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Tmaster148
01/19/20 2:19:55 PM
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Supporting Trump and his policies that hurt minorities is certainly not something a person who isn't a racist would do.

Also concentration camps are not the same thing as death camps although a concentration camps can be used as a death camp. Though I guess Trump supporters not understanding what words mean is not a surprising thing.

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Questionmarktarius
01/19/20 2:22:43 PM
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Tmaster148 posted...
Also concentration camps are not the same thing as death camps although a concentration camps can be used as a death camp.
Didn't FDR already prove this?
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Doom_Art
01/19/20 2:26:15 PM
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Keith_Valentine posted...
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SocksForWok999
01/19/20 2:34:14 PM
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Tmaster148 posted...
So you think concentration camps are good then

The detention centers werent even started by Trump...

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hockeybub89
01/19/20 2:35:42 PM
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SocksForWok999 posted...
The detention centers werent even started by Trump...
I thought he wanted to undo everything Obama did.

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Keith_Valentine
01/19/20 2:37:49 PM
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Intro2Logic posted...
You're supporting a guy who is doing shit to minorities in his role as the most powerful man in the country.

Whats he doing bro? Enforcing immigration policy? Lowering unemployment?

hockeybub89 posted...
Were large amounts of people concentrated in a camp without being charged? Racism and murder are irrelevant to the definition of a concentration camp.

Dont play stupid, hockeybub. People are obviously using that term to implicate cruelty like what was done to the jews. And its disgusting. Not even remotely comparable.

Phantom_Nook posted...
Well, if you support a racist, at the very least, you don't think racism is bad.

*rolls eyes*

thats about what i expect. Thanks
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Questionmarktarius
01/19/20 2:39:00 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
I thought he wanted to undo everything Obama did.
If Trump could get his goddamn wall, we wouldn't need the internment centers.

Also we'd get at least one epic Roger Waters concert.
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Keith_Valentine
01/19/20 2:40:53 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
No one needs a serious response to a blatant troll burying his head in the sand

Please dude, youre the troll. You get off on trying to piss people off and being divisive, I see you do it all the time. Youre just a negative, bitter dude.
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hockeybub89
01/19/20 2:41:02 PM
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Keith_Valentine posted...
Dont play stupid, hockeybub. People are obviously using that term to implicate cruelty like what was done to the jews. And its disgusting. Not even remotely comparable.
I mean, all concentration camps are cruel. They just aren't exclusive to slaughtering Jews in Third Reich Germany. Not even all Nazi concentration camps were extermination camps.

American even ran its own concentration camps during the same time.

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Intro2Logic
01/19/20 2:45:45 PM
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Keith_Valentine posted...
Whats he doing bro? Enforcing immigration policy? Lowering unemployment?

His administration pushed for a citizenship question on the census that would, by the admission of one of its major proponents, advantage non-hispanic whites over racial minorities in terms of congressional representation, and then lied about the reason for doing so.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/06/hofeller-census-citizenship-trump-christa-jones.html
On May 30, the plaintiffs challenging the Trump administrations census citizenship question dropped a bombshell: A central portion of the Justice Departments rationale for the question was apparently written by Thomas Hofeller, the GOPs longtime gerrymandering mastermind. In a 2015 study, Hofeller wrote that adding a citizenship question to the 2020 census would be advantageous to Republicans and non-Hispanic Whites and a disadvantage to the Democrats. He also explained how Republicans could justify inserting a citizenship question by claiming, falsely, that it would aid enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. Multiple passages in Hofellers study appeared verbatim in the 2017 Justice Department letter that provided a legal rationale for the questions addition. This new evidence, the plaintiffs argued, proved that the Trump administrations real reason for adding the citizenship question was to boost white, Republican voting power.

The Justice Department responded with indignant denial. It insisted that the plaintiffs could not link Hofeller to the Commerce Department (which oversees the Census Bureau), Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross, or the Census Bureau itself. Thus, the plaintiffs lacked proof that Hofellers study played any role in the development on the citizenship question.
On Friday night, however, voting rights advocates released new evidence connecting Hofeller directly to the Census Bureau. The evidence comes from Hofellers hard drives, which his daughter gave to a voting rights group after his death.
It reveals that Christa Jones, current chief of staff to Census Bureau deputy director Ron Jarmin, personally communicated with Hofeller, emailing him about the citizenship question in 2015months before Hofeller authored the study explaining how the question would benefit white voters and disadvantage non-white ones.* Jones played a key role in the creation of the citizenship question, so these emails seem to disprove the administrations claims that Hofeller had nothing to do with the manipulation of the census.
Jones and Hofellers relationship goes back to at least 2010. That year, Jonesthen a civil servant at the Census Bureausent Hofeller an email from her private Hotmail account about a Sean Hannity segment. The Fox News host had condemned the bureau for airing an ad during the Super Bowl encouraging everyone to participate in the 2010 census. Jones emailed a transcript of the segment to Hofeller, writing: They could really hurt the census. What do you think? The two then discussed whether the ad was a waste of money. It is unclear why Jones, who again was then a civil servant in the Census Bureau, was communicating with Hofeller about bureau affairs from her private account.
Five years later, Jones emailed Hofeller once again from her Hotmail account, alerting him that the bureau was collecting public comments on the 2020 census. Public comments highly useful in this context, Jones wrote. The next day, she sent a follow-up email, telling Hofeller: This can also be an opportunity to mention citizenship as well. Jones appears to have been advising Hofeller to file a public comment encouraging the bureau to adopt a citizenship question.
Other emails prove that Jones communicated with Hofeller and other Republican strategists throughout this period about redistricting-related matters. For instance, in 2010, Jones forwarded an email from Burton Reist, director of the 2010 census communications campaign, to Hofeller and Mark Neuman that highlighted a website debunking misleading information about the census. (Neuman, a friend of Hofellers, provided the 2017 letter that appeared to draw from the 2015 Hofeller memo to create a legal rationale for the citizenship question.) Jones and Hofeller appear to have met for dinner in 2015 with an unknown third person. And Jones was on a 2010 email thread with Hofeller and several Republican operativesincluding David Avella of GOPAC, a Republican training group, and Charles Black, ex-partner of Paul Manafort and Roger Stonediscussing redistricting.
Following Donald Trumps election, Jones was elevated to the bureau deputy directors chief of staff. In that capacity, she helped to review and approve the citizenship question. She also searched for activists who would support the questions inclusionsuggesting Mark Kirkorian and Steven Camarotta of the Center of Immigration Studies, a notoriously racist anti-immigrant organization.

To give just one example.

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CyricZ
01/19/20 2:47:35 PM
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Keith_Valentine posted...
Dont play stupid, hockeybub. People are obviously using that term to implicate cruelty like what was done to the jews. And its disgusting. Not even remotely comparable.
Hey man how many more people need to die in the US concentration camps until you're thinking a comparison is apt?

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Phantom_Nook
01/19/20 2:48:57 PM
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Keith_Valentine posted...
*rolls eyes*

thats about what i expect. Thanks

You expected to get called out because you support a racist?
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Questionmarktarius
01/19/20 2:49:21 PM
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Intro2Logic posted...
His administration pushed for a citizenship question
That shouldn't even be constitutional, but the census has been grossly perverted beyond a simple enumeration.

"How many people live here?" That's all the census ever needs to ask.
The "thee-fifths" bit has been irrelevant for quite a while.
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Keith_Valentine
01/19/20 2:58:30 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
I mean, all concentration camps are cruel. They just aren't exclusive to slaughtering Jews in Third Reich Germany. Not even all Nazi concentration camps were extermination camps.

American even ran its own concentration camps during the same time.

Internment camps under a Democratic president, during a world war.

Intro, im not reading all that shit. Democrats complaining that Trump wanted to verify someone was a citizen. Shocking, because who are new immigrants more likely to vote for. Whatever

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Angry. Bitter. Little. Shockthemonkey.

You try to piss people off everyday. You are a textbook troll. Im not even defending 'concentration camp's, im disputing the label, genius. Obama started it so chew on that.

CyricZ posted...
Hey man how many more people need to die in the US concentration camps until you're thinking a comparison is apt?

Well lets see. Millions? -_-

Phantom_Nook posted...
You expected to get called out because you support a racist?

No, i expected some dumbass smears with no substance. Just like i said, "racist! Sexist! Bigot!" Thats all you guys got. Cling to it, tell yourself youre better, you need that.
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hockeybub89
01/19/20 3:01:09 PM
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Keith_Valentine posted...
Internment camps under a Democratic president, during a world war.
Oh so a world war makes it ok to imprison innocent people?

And the current concentration camps started under a Democrat as well. Shouldn't Trump do something to stop them then? That would be a great win for Republicans, no? Why didn't he abolish them Day 1 but rather expand them

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Bio1590
01/19/20 3:01:20 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...

That shouldn't even be constitutional, but the census has been grossly perverted beyond a simple enumeration.

"How many people live here?" That's all the census ever needs to ask.
The "thee-fifths" bit has been irrelevant for quite a while.

Jesus do you ever produce some flaming hot bad takes sometimes.
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Tmaster148
01/19/20 3:04:19 PM
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Internment camps are the exact same thing as concentration camps.

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I4NRulez
01/19/20 3:04:51 PM
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I mean I can go make a video like this too. Go to a college ask a question. Cut out the correct answers and keep the idiots.

Damn, it's almost like this is some sort of late night trope

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PleaseClap
01/19/20 3:05:04 PM
#122:


"give me evidence"
"ok, here's some evidence."
"I'm not going to read that."

Interesting tactic.
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Questionmarktarius
01/19/20 3:08:53 PM
#123:


Bio1590 posted...
Jesus do you ever produce some flaming hot bad takes sometimes.
"sometimes"
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Intro2Logic
01/19/20 3:12:54 PM
#124:


Keith_Valentine posted...
Intro, im not reading all that s***. Democrats complaining that Trump wanted to verify someone was a citizen. Shocking, because who are new immigrants more likely to vote for. Whatever
It's a Republican strategist who said that the proposal would benefit non-Hispanic whites at the expense of other groups.

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Keith_Valentine
01/19/20 3:22:54 PM
#126:


shockthemonkey posted...
lmao Im not defending concentration camps, just obfuscating the issue as much as I can, now dont you dare make me read something that proves me wrong

This is fucking classic

No one posted a link about concentration camps, little fella. It was about the census. LMAO LMAO get rekt

hockeybub89 posted...
Oh so a world war makes it ok to imprison innocent people? You seem to point out the party of FDR as a critique and then pivot with "during a world war" as if defending it.

And the current concentration camps started under a Democrat as well. Shouldn't Trump do something to stop them then? That would be a great win for Republicans, no? Why didn't he abolish them Day 1 but rather expand them

No it wasnt ok. I was just pointing out people do fucked up shit in times of crisis. Our treatment of japanese americans was embarassing. Im not a fan of FDR.

I didnt used to like you, but unlike some of these turds, you actually seem Sincere about what you believe in, and i respect that. Some of the usual suspects on CE, they act like they care so much, but really they just wanna shit on someone. Like shocks fakeass.

Also, what would you suggest doing with the thousands of illegal immigrants? Like seriously, you think i love seeing brown people locked up? Idgaf what color they are, if they were Europeans flooding our border i would want them kept out the same way. I would still build the wall, bwcause strong fences make good neighbors. Thats why people lock their houses and cars up.

PleaseClap posted...
"give me evidence"
"ok, here's some evidence."
"I'm not going to read that."

Interesting tactic.

Lol. That is funny. Hes just trying to make shit racial because Trump wanted people to verify they are a citizen. As soon as i read 'this is more likely to favor non hispanic whites' had enough. Get it, because theyre actually American citizens. Ill go read the stupid fucking article and report back.
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Intro2Logic
01/19/20 3:27:37 PM
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Keith_Valentine posted...
As soon as i read 'this is more likely to favor non hispanic whites' had enough
From the article:
"Rather, it proves that a proponent of the citizenship question near the top of the Census Bureau communicated with Hofeller [the guy who said that it would favor non-Hispanic whites] about adding the question.
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the Hofeller files demonstrate that, to the contrary, a high-ranking official who endorsed the citizenship question had a close relationship with Hofeller and had even discussed the citizenship question with him. And this information comes on the heels of the revelation that Hofellers own words appear verbatim in a critical DOJ document that attempted to justify the question with a transparently pretextual argument."

You can say it's "just trying to make shit racial," but what does it say about the administration taking this guy's advice?

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Phantom_Nook
01/19/20 3:35:28 PM
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"Stop trying to make racism racial."
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ZMythos
01/19/20 3:38:45 PM
#131:


Purely posted...


The point was that Trump signed a deal with China. That was the first link I found quickly searching. Google likes to hide results that are positive towards Trump.
That's because Google tries to give the most factual results.

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Questionmarktarius
01/19/20 3:39:43 PM
#132:


Phantom_Nook posted...
"Stop trying to make racism racial."
k, what?
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MarqueeSeries
01/19/20 3:43:54 PM
#133:


PleaseClap posted...
"give me evidence"
"ok, here's some evidence."
"I'm not going to read that."

Interesting tactic.

Also read as: I know I'm blowing shit out of my ass all over this topic, so I'm not reading the evidence that clearly proves me wrong
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Keith_Valentine
01/19/20 3:46:05 PM
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Ok I read it, and googled it for a little extra. The controversy is that, by asking if someone is a citizen, its going to scare off Latinos from responding and thus they are gonna get less representation and potentially less funding. So of course Democrats are going to be pissed about that, because they want latinos to vote for them so they say that Trump is out to deny them shit. Because hes 'racist'.

Realistically, after reflecting on it, it seems pretty stupid to me that wanting to know if someone is a citizen is controversial. And Dems wana make it all about race because its cheap and it works. But how does any of that actually make DJT racist? Thats what we were originally talking about, Intro. And the republican strategist whos daughter released his confidential files showing how he tried to manipulate things to get more power. That isnt surprising to me. Thats what all these politicians do. Theyre a bunch of slimy fucks. And what..?

Citizens deserve more representation than non citizens, regardless of if they are white black or brown. Its not a big deal to me. And if people wana lie about their status or ignore the census, thats their fault imo. Not Trumps.

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Racist racist racist, youre a broken record.
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Intro2Logic
01/19/20 3:49:31 PM
#135:


Keith_Valentine posted...
And Dems wana make it all about race because its cheap and it works.
The GOP strategiest who the Trump administration quoted in its argument made it about race.

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Questionmarktarius
01/19/20 3:53:28 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Still no defense for the racist Trump administration? Just more complaints that people are being honest about it?
There's no evidence that the Trump administration is racist. There is some circumstantial evidence that Trump himself may have been.
"money-ist" as fuck, if that's a thing, but not racist.

If you have evidence, do share.
I'll trust you, Shock.
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Intro2Logic
01/19/20 3:54:34 PM
#138:


Questionmarktarius posted...
There's no evidence that the Trump administration is racist.
Steven Miller is in charge of its immigration policy.

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Questionmarktarius
01/19/20 3:55:35 PM
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Intro2Logic posted...
Steven Miller is in charge of its immigration policy.
Point conceded.
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Keith_Valentine
01/19/20 4:07:47 PM
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Intro2Logic posted...
The GOP strategiest who the Trump administration quoted in its argument made it about race.

That doesnt make Trump a racist though. You said Trump was out to fuck over minorities. How is he fucking them over by asking people to verify citizenship? Thats a weak case imo. Because portions of the population that are Latino also happen to be illegal immigrants, that makes Trump bad? I dont see how thats his fault. They arent even supposed to be in the country.

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What do i have to defend? You havent said anything except the word racist like a hundred times. I would love to hear what you would actually do differently if tens of thousands of people were flooding your country illegally all at once, and that country was somehow expected to take care of them all and welcome them right in because Feelings.
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Keith_Valentine
01/19/20 4:16:59 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
What do I have to defend? is a weird follow up to you defending the Trump administrations attempt at changing the census

In regards to you, shock. You havent made a point this whole topic, youre just flinging shit from the sidelines. So answer my question or shut the fuck up.
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Questionmarktarius
01/19/20 4:17:02 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Thats the Cult 45 Victim Complex on exhibit.
Still a Cult 40, thanks.
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Keith_Valentine
01/19/20 4:34:49 PM
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Thats what i thought, monkeyboy. Avoid my question and slither away.
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Keith_Valentine
01/19/20 4:51:45 PM
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4 more years. Thats what you got to look forward to. At least youll have plenty to bitch about on gamefaqs. ;)
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