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Blue_Inigo
01/15/20 11:39:10 PM
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I've gone through three worlds so far.

Grunty doesnt rhyme anymore. Bad.
Wtf they inverted the swimming and flying controls. Why Rare?!
These are some big ass areas
King Jiggy or whatever was cool. Poor one out for him.
Mayahem Temple is a design I like. I like how big it is. The soccer game was fun.
Bottles brother is cool and I like learning moves from him
Fuck yeah they killed Bottles
Playing as Mumbo feels gimmicky. You go to his spot and do a thing. I like his music tho
Wumba Humba is HOT
Enemies respawn now? Understandable but kinda annoying

The mines area was fun. Kinda confusing layout. Noticed you can't clear areas in one go like the first game.
Bird lady ugly.
Transformation lets you hurt yourself....why
Humba Wumba still hot

Witchyworld. Still playinf through it. Liked fighting the big balloon dinosaur

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PatrickMahomes
01/15/20 11:44:10 PM
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I get the frustrations people had with having to backtrack and cross worlds to get certain jiggies, but I had no problem with it.

Great game. Rare ( ) instance of a sequel holding up to the original.

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Blue_Inigo
01/16/20 1:27:41 AM
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This split up technique is fucking weird. I can see Kazooie's legs!

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Delirious_Beard
01/16/20 1:29:58 AM
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bad game imo

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Blue_Inigo
01/16/20 1:34:30 AM
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Delirious_Beard posted...
bad game imo
Nah

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Timohtep
01/16/20 1:39:14 AM
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Dark_SilverX
01/16/20 1:41:34 AM
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Delirious_Beard posted...
bad game imo
Wouldn't say bad, but a snooze fest.

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ultimate reaver
01/16/20 1:43:16 AM
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BT is my favorite collectathon. I know thats an unpopular opinion but I adore the humor and love almost every world

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Cookie Bag
01/16/20 1:43:19 AM
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Cloud cuckoo land is the worst area in the game followed by terrydactyland, which while not as bad its super annoying

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Blue_Inigo
01/16/20 11:46:57 AM
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Im at Jolly Roger Lagoon and cant get one damn jiggy. Im stumped

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DarkChozoGhost
01/16/20 11:50:03 AM
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I like Tooie better, and consider the fact that you can't finish levels in one go a GOOD thing

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metralo
01/16/20 11:50:57 AM
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kazooie is one of my favorite games of all time. With the being said, tooie is shit.

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EndOfDiscOne
01/16/20 11:55:39 AM
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When I replay BK and BT, it's crazy how much longer BT takes. Love both but BT gets more frustrating, so I rank BK higher.

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kirbymuncher
01/16/20 12:02:40 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
Mayahem Temple is a design I like. I like how big it is.
better get used to this lol

BT stages are all absolutely massive compared to kazooie

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metralo
01/16/20 8:48:36 PM
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kirbymuncher posted...
better get used to this lol

BT stages are all absolutely massive compared to kazooie

Mayhem Temple is probably bigger than any stage in BK and its still by far the smallest one

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Blue_Inigo
01/17/20 1:38:07 AM
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Holy shit I hate Lord Woo Fak Fak. Died twice to this stupid fucking underwater boss fight

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Delirious_Beard
01/17/20 1:42:44 AM
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kirbymuncher posted...
better get used to this lol

BT stages are all absolutely massive compared to kazooie

Mayahem Temple is one of the better designed levels. has a bunch of distinguishable landmarks and has a simple layout

most of the other levels fail at that spectacularly (except Witchyworld)

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pegusus123456
01/17/20 1:50:36 AM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
Grunty doesnt rhyme anymore. Bad.
Grant Kirkhope talks about this in either the Beard Bros or Game Grumps video that he's in. The guy responsible for them just refused to do another entire game with her rhyming.

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Airhammy
01/17/20 1:53:22 AM
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ultimate reaver
01/17/20 1:56:50 AM
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DarkChozoGhost posted...
I like Tooie better, and consider the fact that you can't finish levels in one go a GOOD thing

same. i love the sheer scope of the game

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DarkChozoGhost
01/17/20 9:24:34 AM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
Holy shit I hate Lord Woo Fak Fak. Died twice to this stupid fucking underwater boss fight
You can fight him as the submarine

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TwoDoorPC
01/17/20 9:27:23 AM
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my only problem with the game is that some of the levels are so big it can take upwards of an hour to get a single jiggy when you first arrive in a new one. i'm looking at you, terrydactyland

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Balrog0
01/17/20 9:32:18 AM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
Mayahem Temple is a design I like. I like how big it is. The soccer game was fun.

I actually really liked the multiplayer in tooie. One thing I miss about that era of games (seems to be coming back a little more now, like luigi's mansion 3) was that even a lot of mostly single-player games put some effort into local multiplayer modes

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EndOfDiscOne
01/17/20 9:51:44 AM
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Terrydactyland and especially Grunty Industries take forever to get a Jiggy. I've appreciated Grunty Industries the move I've played the game, but Terrydactyland is still a pain in the ass to navigate.

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EvalAngell
01/17/20 10:13:16 AM
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"Hot" Gruntilda vs Humba Wumba....and go!

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Blue_Inigo
01/17/20 6:17:32 PM
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Jolly Roger Lagoon can suck a fat one. Feels lioe there's too much guesswork in this level and swimming around everywhere isn't that fun.

Fak Fak is dead since I finally found the submarine. I have a couple more Jiggies I could get back but I need to go to a different level or I'll go crazy

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Timohtep
01/17/20 6:59:16 PM
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Yeah Jolly Roger's is definitely a contender for least favorite level. At least it's thematically pretty baller.
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kirbymuncher
01/17/20 8:06:30 PM
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jolly roger lagoon has this issue where everything looks the same

when I first played it as a kid, I found the submarine and did some stuff as it but then couldn't find it again for like a month

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El Mexicano Texano
01/17/20 8:08:18 PM
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I love how a bunch of levels are connected and I don't even use that word

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DarthAragorn
01/17/20 8:13:00 PM
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I know a lot of people complained about backtracking and levels being connected but personally I think that alone elevates it above the original
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Delirious_Beard
01/17/20 8:25:32 PM
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the problem isn't necessarily that the levels are all connected, it's just how much of a chore the worlds are to navigate in the first place. several of them are just horribly designed from a navigation/layout perspective (Terrydactyland is one of the worst levels in any 3D platformer)

it does add to the sense of immersion and helping the world feel alive but i personally couldn't care less about that in my level-based platformers

also like half the new abilities in the game feel incredibly superfluous or just outright tedious. playable Mumbo literally only exists to waste your time

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p-m
01/17/20 8:26:31 PM
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Think I'll dig out my n64 soon and both Banjo games, Tooie was my favourite as a kid but not sure how I'd feel now
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Blue_Inigo
01/17/20 8:44:24 PM
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kirbymuncher posted...
jolly roger lagoon has this issue where everything looks the same

when I first played it as a kid, I found the submarine and did some stuff as it but then couldn't find it again for like a month
Yeah I kinda kept getting twist turned upside down because of the samey looking areas and the same "freeze this dumb octopus) tunnels you have to take to get to em. I mistook Wumba's cave for Smuggler's Cave and ignored it. Ended up having to look up that was where Wumba was

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Blue_Inigo
01/18/20 10:49:27 PM
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Terrydactyland is also a bit confusing. I like it more than Jolly Roger's Lagoon at least but so far I think Glittergulch Mine and Witchyworld have been the most interesting levels. I hope the ice level is really good

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DarthAragorn
01/18/20 10:50:23 PM
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It's a combo ice and volcano world and I loved it
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dave_is_slick
01/18/20 11:14:05 PM
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pegusus123456 posted...
Grant Kirkhope talks about this in either the Beard Bros or Game Grumps video that he's in. The guy responsible for them just refused to do another entire game with her rhyming.
So have someone help you, dude!

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DeathVelvien
01/18/20 11:19:40 PM
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Hot take: Grunty Industries is one of the best levels of the series.

Of course, I also loved Rusty Bucket Bay, so idk maybe I just have garbage opinions when it comes to Banjo

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Blue_Inigo
01/18/20 11:22:23 PM
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DeathVelvien posted...
Hot take: Grunty Industries is one of the best levels of the series.

Of course, I also loved Rusty Bucket Bay, so idk maybe I just have garbage opinions when it comes to Banjo
RBB? Why

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PowerOats
01/18/20 11:25:19 PM
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wtf, grunty definitely rhymes in Tooie, or am I thinking of jamjars?

Also Terrydacyltand is too goddamn big and the worst stage.
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Timohtep
01/18/20 11:34:06 PM
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DeathVelvien posted...
Hot take: Grunty Industries is one of the best levels of the series.

Of course, I also loved Rusty Bucket Bay, so idk maybe I just have garbage opinions when it comes to Banjo

Agree. Love me some industrial themes

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dave_is_slick
01/18/20 11:35:33 PM
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PowerOats posted...
or am I thinking of jamjars?
Yes

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DeathVelvien
01/18/20 11:35:34 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
RBB? Why
A lot of it is just the extra tension the water/air mechanics add (similar to me liking Dark Aether in Metroid Prime 2), and for as unforgiving as it may be (especially back on the N64 version with relation to the note score system), the infamous engine room is one of my favorite challenges in the game.

Also, while this is by no means unique to RBB, the music is a fucking banger and may be my favorite track in the game.

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PowerOats
01/18/20 11:41:10 PM
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Ive never played Kazooie

- Mayahem Temple is a great starting stage, 'big, but remarkable' and you can get like 9/10 jiggys 1st visit
- Glitter Gulch Mine is ok, kinda too big and dark in areas
- WitchyWorld is one of the the best 3d levels in a lot of aspects
- Jolly Rogders Lagoon underwaters areas look too similar, but its a decent level actually. That piranha minigame sucks
- Terrydactyl Land is hot garbage, worst level in the game. Too big, lame theme, I think more than half the jiggys require to to visit later levels or huge backtracking, the process for changing the transformation size is padded the fuck out, takes like 3+ mins i think. The cool part was stomping plains and the boss

- HailFire Peaks...great idea, but ok execution. Something always seem off about the level, I need to replay it
- Cloudcuckooland... annoying to navigate and progress through until you can fly. Best Boss
- Grunty Industries..At 1st I hate this level, but its kinda clever and has good flow. Its big, but you learn how everything ticks as you progress

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Delirious_Beard
01/19/20 1:09:21 AM
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grunty industries is basically a dungeon and that's kind of cool

it's the one level where tooie's moment-to-moment gameplay (which is almost always tedium) feels like you're making progress within a level

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kirbymuncher
01/19/20 2:34:46 AM
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grunty industries is amazing

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DarkChozoGhost
01/19/20 7:09:14 PM
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My brother and I are also in the camp that Grunty Industries is an amazing level. As a kid, I hated it at first because I couldn't figure out how to get the door open. But I learned to love it

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dave_is_slick
01/19/20 8:46:55 PM
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Grunty Industries is getting love?

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Gamerguymass
01/19/20 9:12:36 PM
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dave_is_slick posted...
Grunty Industries is getting love?

Yeah I remembered hating this level when I was younger. The nostalgia is strong though since I bought them for the Xbox 360 years ago and can now even play them on the One X with BC or Rare Replay with Gamepass. I remember as a kid I beat BK completely, but I never did get all the jiggies in BT. I forget if I even beat the game. I think I did though.

I really wish they had made a Banjo-Threeie instead of that cart building crap they went with instead.

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