Poll of the Day > Do you believe that MSG is safe to eat?

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Watch out link. All the oxygen you're breathing is going to kill you one day.

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SunWuKung420 posted...

Sodium-related deaths are at 1.65 million a year in the U.S.

Water toxicity deaths per year are less than 1.

They are not comparable, by any statistical means.

Yours aren't comparable by any statistical means, considering how water-related deaths trump sodium-related deaths by a vast amount.
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Bugmeat posted...

You can find it in grocery stores here in the U.S. One brand that it's sold under is Ac'cent flavor enhancer. It's just a can of MSG.

I don't buy Pot Noodle to have to add MSG either with my untrained hands. They proudly announced dropping MSG long ago and it's suffered ever since.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

Watch out link. All the oxygen you're breathing is going to kill you one day.

If you breath in 100% oxygen, its bad for you. The air we normally breath in is only about 21% oxygen. So, theres some stats for you...
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LinkPizza posted...

If you breath in 100% oxygen, its bad for you. The air we normally breath in is only about 21% oxygen. So, theres some stats for you...

100% oxygen isn't bad for you, you just have to breath much shallower. You can knock yourself out hyperventilating on normal air and you need 100% oxygen for deep sea diving.
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LinkPizza posted...

If you breath in 100% oxygen, its bad for you. The air we normally breath in is only about 21% oxygen. So, theres some stats for you...

According to you, stats don't matter so don't start using them now.

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Kyuubi4269 posted...

100% oxygen isn't bad for you, you just have to breath much shallower. You can knock yourself out hyperventilating on normal air and you need 100% oxygen for deep sea diving.

I read divers dont use pure oxygen. And one of the more common tanks contain Trimix. Which is a mix of oxygen, helium, and nitrogen. Though I dont know the percentages of each.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

100% oxygen isn't bad for you, you just have to breath much shallower. You can knock yourself out hyperventilating on normal air and you need 100% oxygen for deep sea diving.

That's not correct

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SunWuKung420 posted...

According to you, stats don't matter so don't start using them now.

Wrong again, Sunny. But thats nothing new. The stats you were giving didnt matter. Because I was comparing that too much water could kill you. And you stats were about the number of deaths. Which were irrelevant to whether it could kill you or not (unless the number was zero throughout history, which is was not). But keep telling yourself whatever you need to do you can sleep at night...
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LinkPizza posted...

I read divers dont use pure oxygen. And one of the more common tanks contain Trimix. Which is a mix of oxygen, helium, and nitrogen. Though I dont know the percentages of each.

I was a qualified scuba diver, it was in the training manual.

SunWuKung420 posted...

According to you, stats don't matter so don't start using them now.

"You weren't blinded by statistics like me, you must hate stats!"
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

I was a qualified scuba diver, it was in the training manual.

Idk. I dont dive, so I can only tell you information that I find. I did read that 100% becomes dangerous as you go deeper, though...
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Literally every scuba outlet says don't do this. I went on like 4 or 5 sites

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EvilMegas posted...

Literally every scuba outlet says don't do this. I went on like 4 or 5 sites

It's as though you are completely blind to context.
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The context of what? It's flat out "don't do this, it's toxic. These really famous guys did it once but was afraid of what it was doing to his body."

I guess you would know better than them though, correct?

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EvilMegas posted...

The context of what? It's flat out "don't do this, it's toxic. These really famous guys did it once but was afraid of what it was doing to his body."

Where you are diving. No you don't hook yourself up to pure O2 to put your head underwater in the caribbean.
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You said deep sea, dawg

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You definitely weren't a scuba instructor. You would know that oxygen becomes more toxic the deeper you go. Pure oxygen is only used near the end of a decompression cycle after a deep dive, once they've made it up to shallower waters. Diving deep on pure oxygen would kill you.

EvilMegas posted...

You said deep sea, dawg

As in down, not out?

TentacleDemon posted...

You definitely weren't a scuba instructor.

Are you? I was qualified to do solo dives to 25m.
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why would anyone wanna eat madison square garden

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ArvTheGreat posted...

why would anyone wanna eat madison square garden

Because Maddy tastes pretty great.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

There hasn't been enough research that water doesn't cause cancer, so why risk drinking water? We don't need research to tell us water is essential or the earth is real so why would you need research to tell you that naturally occuring salts we've eaten for centuries is fine?

You know what we also don't have? Any cases of an allergic reaction to MSG despite the wild claims.

True in the water, I avoid it when I can, especially the bottled types

A friend I have is highly allergic to MSG, her daughter is too

bulbinking posted...

we also chug sugar free sodas like no tomorrow despite research showing artificial sweeteners can be harmful so lol

*nod* I'm not a soda drinker, but yeah, the Diet stuff is nasty

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JebronLames posted...

do you feel the same way about those famous artificial sweeteners?

Aspartame is gross (regardless of health controversies), sucralose is well-known to have issues (mostly tricking the body into feeling hypoglycemic so you crave actual sugar), no strong feelings on stevia. I'm mostly just fine with using actual sugar for stuff and eating a reasonable amount of it. Artificial sweeteners really aren't my thing.

zebatov posted...

The salt comes from the naturally occurring acid, so please explain how that means the salt isnt also naturally occurring.

Literally everything comes from something naturally occurring. That doesn't mean literally everything is naturally occurring.

LinkPizza posted...

If it's called a "High sodium diet", that sounds like you're eating a lot of it. Not like a normal amount. Too much of many healthy things could be bad for you. Technically, you can drink too much water. as well...

It's considerably easier to have too much sodium in your diet than too much water, though. You basically have to try to give yourself water poisoning, whereas you probably are eating too much sodium unless you make a point of avoiding processed foods. You're not wrong to point out that toxicity is always dose-dependent, but if you're going to make a comparison like that, you need to consider the doses people are likely to receive. Comparing the toxicity of likely doses to the toxicity of unlikely doses is comparing apples to oranges.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Recommended sodium intake is highly dependent on water intake.

Recommended sodium intake is based on recommended water intake. You can limit sodium's absorption by drinking enough water to keep everything nice and isotonic, but then you risk diluting every other water-soluble nutrient you've got in there and missing out on absorbing them. It's far better to just eat a reasonable amount of everything than to play a ridiculous game of catch-up after eating way too much of one nutrient.

A 1995 report from the Federation of American Societies for Experimental Biology (FASEB) for the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA) concluded that MSG is safe when "eaten at customary levels" and, although a subgroup of otherwise-healthy individuals develop an MSG symptom complex when exposed to 3 g of MSG in the absence of food, MSG as a cause has not been established because the symptom reports are anecdotal.

According to the report, no data support the role of glutamate in chronic disease. A controlled, blinded, multiple-location clinical trial failed to demonstrate a relationship between the MSG symptom complex and actual MSG consumption. No statistical association has been demonstrated, and the few responses were inconsistent. No symptoms were observed when MSG was administered with food.

Adequately controlling for experimental bias includes a blinded, placebo-controlled experimental design (DBPC) and administration by capsule, because of the unique aftertaste of glutamates. In a study by Tarasoff and Kelly (1993), 71 fasting participants were given 5 g of MSG and then a standard breakfast. One reaction (to the placebo, in a self-identified MSG-sensitive individual) occurred. A study by Geha et al. (2000) tested the reaction of 130 subjects with a reported sensitivity to MSG. Multiple DBPC trials were performed, with subjects exhibiting at least two symptoms continuing. Two people out of the 130 responded to all four challenges. Because of the low prevalence, the researchers concluded that a response to MSG was not reproducible.

Food Standards Australia New Zealand (FSANZ) MSG technical report concludes, "There is no convincing evidence that MSG is a significant factor in causing systemic reactions resulting in severe illness or mortality. The studies conducted to date on Chinese restaurant syndrome (CRS) have largely failed to demonstrate a causal association with MSG. Symptoms resembling those of CRS may be provoked in a clinical setting in small numbers of individuals by the administration of large doses of MSG without food. However, such effects are neither persistent nor serious and are likely to be attenuated when MSG is consumed with food. In terms of more serious adverse effects such as the triggering of bronchospasm in asthmatic individuals, the evidence does not indicate that MSG is a significant trigger factor."

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Add a little MSG along with the salt when you're cooking rice and your taste buds will thank you.

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