Poll of the Day > Stephen King says quality is more important than diversity in art.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/oscars/oscar-voter-stephen-king-criticized-for-saying-he-doesnt-consider-diversity-in-art/ar-BBYXiSb?li=BBnbfcL

This is interesting. Is he wrong? What do you think?

He says he doesn't take diversity into account, and only looks at quality.

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You need diversity to optimize quality. If you're never trying different things, you're never going to find a new thing that's better than what you've currently got.

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That dude is like 80% cocaine

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i think hes right, and its the proper way to look at it if youre a judge.

I dont know what people are complaining about.

the last 3 best picture winners:

-The Green Book: main character is an African American in the Deep South 1960s

-The Shape of Water : (written, directed and produced by a Mexican filmmaker, starring a woman in the lead role)

-Moonlight: (written and directed by an African American about the life of an African American gay man.)

you cant get more diverse than this.

AND this year we have a South Korean directed nominated for best director, also nominated for best picture, a movie written and directed by a female starring a 90% female cast nominated for best picture and a New Zealand filmmaker nominated for best picture

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Good. If anyone knows what quality is it's Stephen King. He has dedicated his entire life to making some of the best novels, film and television of the 20th and 21st Century.

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It's the only thing to consider.

No one wants to get kicked to the curb just so someone else can get a participation award.

And the award for most taken out of context statement goes to...

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adjl posted...

You need diversity to optimize quality. If you're never trying different things, you're never going to find a new thing that's better than what you've currently got.

I guess not everyone was aware of the complaints over the lack of women in the oscars.

adjl posted...

You need diversity to optimize quality. If you're never trying different things, you're never going to find a new thing that's better than what you've currently got.

I appreciate your innocent take on the subject. But we are not talking about diversity of thought or ideas....we are talking about ethnic diversity here.

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Zangulus posted...

Thats not what he was talking about.

It's not, but it's nonetheless an issue that affects the Oscars. "Oscar bait" is a very specific niche of film. Those involved in judging the awards could really stand to broaden their horizons, a process which will naturally result in the ethnic diversity people are complaining about (which, as outlined above, isn't actually as pressing an issue as it has historically been because the film industry is already working on that).

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ok boomer
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Is this the same Steven King which has probably cranked out at least a book a year for like 40 years? The same guy that thought Maximum Overdrive should be a thing just 3 years after he published Christine?

I'm not saying he doesn't have some great ones, but he's probably got an equal amount of garbage in his catalogue, and he would be a prime example of "quantity" as a writer.

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Yes.

Quality > Diversity > Quantity

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Can't say I don't agree with them.
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Judgmenl posted...

Good. If anyone knows what quality is it's Stephen King. He has dedicated his entire life to making some of the best novels, film and television of the 20th and 21st Century.

https://imgur.com/FxGFEsS

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Diversity is not necessary, but segregation is not helpful either.

Art benefits from conflict regardless, so even if you forced either of them, the controversy would motivate art.
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I tend to think if someone is good at their craft then they should by all means be allowed to pursue their goal.

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Technically there was less traps than women at the oscars. Women wanted equal rights after the help already left.

I think that you can have 'quality' work without putting out a few hundred novels, etc. like Stephen King does. Quality, however, is subjective; what might be a 'quality' work to one person isn't necessarily a 'quality' work to someone else. And too often 'quality' work is determined by a group of people of one race and/or gender, which doesn't bode well for films directed by, starred in or written by someone not part of that group and/or gender. What the Academy needs is a definition of what 'quality' means and a diverse group of voters to go over the movies presented every year.

Agreed whole-heartedly: Quality>Diversity. They're all human so demographic shouldn't matter.

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WhiskeyDisk posted...

Is this the same Steven King which has probably cranked out at least a book a year for like 40 years? The same guy that thought Maximum Overdrive should be a thing just 3 years after he published Christine?

I'm not saying he doesn't have some great ones, but he's probably got an equal amount of garbage in his catalogue, and he would be a prime example of "quantity" as a writer.

How can you compare maximum overdrive to Christine? Seriously.

Actually I think they remade Christine but the first one blew (show) and the book was just Meh.

Max Overdrive though was both a good book (or was it a short story, I forget) and a great movie (loved the soundtrack.

That was King back when most of his stuff rocked (to me at least).

And his point isn't wrong, you shouldn't give awards just to be diverse, but you also should not avoid giving them because of ethnicity or gender. Neither should factor in at all in my opinion.

That being said, if you go decades without a massive disparity in the gender/ethnicity of people who get awards, then there is a problem. More then likely it is because the people choosing the winners in the first place are not diverse enough (which makes sense if it's a minority I guess).

Havn't been a fan of most of King's work since his accident, but he is still responsible for some of my favorite literature. Dude was at least a genius and perhaps still is.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tMZONL8x8NE
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So who claimed that diversity was more important than quality?

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SaltyAndSweet posted...

So who claimed that diversity was more important than quality?

Apparently the hoardes of people who are angry at him for saying that. Tool bags that think just because diversity isn't what he votes for makes him against diversity. When all he said was basically "I vote for the shit that I think is better. Who stars in it, or who made it doesn't factor into my decisions."


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How many people does it take to make a hoard

and is it hoard or horde?I think hoard is a verb.

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GastroFan posted...

too often 'quality' work is determined by a group of people of one race and/or gender, which doesn't bode well for films directed by, starred in or written by someone not part of that group and/or gender.

It is extremely prejudice to say people have different standards of quality based on their physical characteristics. The quality of work is judged by a cultural group that shares a common language and general ethics, this transcends race. It is also why you never see Bollywood at the Oscars. If you fail to win at the Oscars, it is because you failed to appeal to the cultural group you are part of and it should be a sign that your actions alienate you from your own culture.

"Woman" isn't a culture, "Black" isn't a culture, even "Islamic" isn't strictly a culture, you can be all these things and perfectly blend in to Anglophonic culture. To put undue importance on these characteristics is not agreeable in our culture and that is why you do poorly.
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SaltyAndSweet posted...

How many people does it take to make a hoard

and is it hoard or horde?I think hoard is a verb.

A horde is a group of people, hoarding is wooden covers around a building site.
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Yes but originality adds to quality

Edit : I didn't realize this was about the Oscars. In that case then it's more subjective since there is no hard metric to measure acting ability.

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JOExHIGASHI posted...

Yes but originality adds to quality

Edit : I didn't realize this was about the Oscars. In that case then it's more subjective since there is no hard metric to measure acting ability.

are people saying the nominations arent diverse enough?

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What we need is an all female Armageddon reboot. Finally give those lady oil rig drillers the representation they sorely lack.

dedbus posted...

What we need is an all female Armageddon reboot. Finally give those lady oil rig drillers the representation they sorely lack.

Why wouldn't we just train astronauts how to drill?

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I'm all for diversity, but I don't want it shoved in there because someone feels obliged to do so.

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EvilMegas posted...

I'm all for diversity, but I don't want it shoved in there because someone feels obliged to do so.

It was one of the ridiculous complaints there were a number of articles about concerning Ford Vs Ferarri. Apparently, there weren't enough blue haired blind African American amputee lesbians in a historical piece about automakers in the 1960's.

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WhiskeyDisk posted...

Why wouldn't we just train astronauts how to drill?

there arent enough female astronauts

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SaltyAndSweet posted...

there arent enough female astronauts

I'm willing to bet there are actually more female astronauts than female oil rig drillers.

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The content you're voting on as "the best" should be quality only, but the people doing the judging should be diverse.

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WhiskeyDisk posted...

I'm willing to bet there are actually more female astronauts than female oil rig drillers.

ill check

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Stephen King states obvious fact gets blasted

AllstarSniper32 posted...

The content you're voting on as "the best" should be quality only, but the people doing the judging should be diverse.

I don't see how adding diversity, in this case, would help at all. Award shows are trash and they would continue to be trash with more diverse voters

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