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SomeGuyUO
01/14/20 2:03:54 PM
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Wondering
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specialkid8
01/14/20 2:04:43 PM
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Most of them?
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Duncanwii
01/14/20 2:05:37 PM
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Kansas City.

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Balrog0
01/14/20 2:06:14 PM
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essentially all of them, the only exceptions really are places with small amounts of black people

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NinjaBreakfast
01/14/20 2:07:08 PM
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Most cities have more affluent and poor areas it just so happens that in the US in particular these tended to be strongly linked with the races of their inhabitants

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Balrog0
01/14/20 2:21:27 PM
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NinjaBreakfast posted...
Most cities have more affluent and poor areas it just so happens that in the US in particular these tended to be strongly linked with the races of their inhabitants

this is a (harmful) oversimplification, though, because poor whites have an easier time living in affluent white neighborhoods than affluent blacks do

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NinjaBreakfast
01/14/20 2:27:03 PM
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Oh yeah for sure, I was trying to caveat that by noting that obviously things are more complicated than that

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Questionmarktarius
01/14/20 2:29:10 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
this is a (harmful) oversimplification, though, because poor whites have an easier time living in affluent white neighborhoods than affluent blacks do
Poor whites largely moved out to the boonies. Poor blacks haven't really had much success with that.
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Balrog0
01/14/20 2:31:49 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Poor whites largely moved out to the boonies. Poor blacks haven't really had much success with that.

what happens is whites move into inner-ring suburbs, stay there for a generation, and then when black people manage to overcome enough generational inequities to move to the inner-ring suburbs, whites move even farther out into the exurbs

but it's not that poor whites are moving, those are affluent white people. durable white poverty in cities just doesn't exist the way durable urban poverty exists for blacks (or durable rural poverty for whites). that's entirely because poor whites can move into affluent white spaces and take advantage of the public resources and amenities in a way black people of any income cant

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Intro2Logic
01/14/20 2:33:57 PM
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SauI_Goodman
01/14/20 2:36:05 PM
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Detroit and 8 mile road.
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Evening_Dragon
01/14/20 2:36:33 PM
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Trenton

And in general, NJ probably has the largest economic disparity between regions in the country. In 2010, we had both the richest and poorest counties in the US, and they were both right next to each other.

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Questionmarktarius
01/14/20 2:38:18 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
what happens is whites move into inner-ring suburbs, stay there for a generation, and then when black people manage to overcome enough generational inequities to move to the inner-ring suburbs, whites move even farther out into the exurbs
Rural goddamn nowhere, though. It's almost entirely white, with bits of native.
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SomeGuyUO
01/14/20 3:52:44 PM
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Interesting
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ExtremeLuchador
01/14/20 3:55:17 PM
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Cleveland

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Tony_Biggie_Pun
01/14/20 3:56:55 PM
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NYC. Most of them actually
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Feline_Heart
01/14/20 4:00:35 PM
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Tony_Biggie_Pun posted...
NYC. Most of them actually
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Romulox28
01/14/20 4:07:46 PM
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Evening_Dragon posted...
Trenton

And in general, NJ probably has the largest economic disparity between regions in the country. In 2010, we had both the richest and poorest counties in the US, and they were both right next to each other.
i always find the contrast in NJ (mostly north NJ) very interesting. for example Short Hills and Irvington are 7 miles apart but are dramatically different in terms of demographics, income, etc.

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Croutonman
01/14/20 4:28:02 PM
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Milwaukee, the most segregated city in the USA

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Evening_Dragon
01/14/20 4:30:06 PM
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Romulox28 posted...
i always find the contrast in NJ (mostly north NJ) very interesting. for example Short Hills and Irvington are 7 miles apart but are dramatically different in terms of demographics, income, etc.

No better area can give an understanding of how drugs affect different income brackets.

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JACKBUTTMOMMY
01/14/20 4:36:27 PM
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Oakwood, OH is predominantly white. Socially and geographically speaking its more like an affluent suburb of Dayton, though its technically its own incorporated city. There were two black kids in my grade. Two Asians as well.
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DifferentialEquation
01/14/20 4:49:01 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
this is a (harmful) oversimplification, though, because poor whites have an easier time living in affluent white neighborhoods than affluent blacks do

No they don't. Poor people of all races still have to pay the same price for a house in a more affluent area. There's no discount in housing prices for being white.

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Balrog0
01/14/20 4:55:52 PM
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DifferentialEquation posted...
No they don't. Poor people of all races still have to pay the same price for a house in a more affluent area. There's no discount in housing prices for being white.

they absolutely do

for one thing, its a common practice for relatives to sell to each other at discounted prices (its common enough that most studies that collect information on property values ignore sales under a certain amount so that they only deal with arms length transactions)

but even without that, there are many ways that housing becomes segregated along lines other than price: https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/article/What-Happens-When-Black-People-Search-for-14845162.php

the actual statistic I'm citing is from a book chapter "Neighborhoods and Segregation" in "Shared Prosperity for American Communities"

the finding is that black families making >$100k live in less affluent areas than white families making <$25k

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Tony_Biggie_Pun
01/14/20 4:57:42 PM
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Feline_Heart posted...
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Although gentrification is heavy. There is still a Black and White Side. (Also Latino, Near Eastern, Chinese etc.)

Many parts of Flatbush, Bed Stuy, Brownsville, Jamaica Queens, parts of Harlem are the Black side. Sunset Park, Washington Heights, South Bronx is the Latino side. White side is Bensonhurst, Staten Island, Parts of Bay Ridge Etc. Chinatown is the Chinese side(strictly) etc.
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DifferentialEquation
01/14/20 5:07:44 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
for one thing, its a common practice for relatives to sell to each other at discounted prices (its common enough that most studies that collect information on property values ignore sales under a certain amount so that they only deal with arms length transactions)

Why does that matter? If someone who sells their house to a relative at a discount happens to be white, it's not like that's some sort of victory or privilege for white home buyers in general.

A poor white person and a poor black person in the same circumstances have the same difficulties and opportunities in terms of moving to a better neighborhood.


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Evening_Dragon
01/14/20 5:08:59 PM
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One Long Island real estate agent told a black man that houses in a predominantly white neighborhood were too expensive for his budget. But the same agent showed houses in the same neighborhood to a white man with the same amount of money to spend.
Another real estate agent warned a white homebuyer about gang violence in a mostly minority neighborhood, but she appeared to steer a black buyer with a comparable budget toward homes in that neighborhood.
All told, real estate agents treated people of color unequally 40% of the time compared with white people when they searched for homes on Long Island, one of the most racially segregated suburbs in the United States.
Those were among the findings of a three-year undercover investigation published this past weekend by Newsday, a Long Island newspaper, which exposed widespread evidence that discriminatory, and potentially illegal, home-selling practices are helping to keep the areas neighborhoods segregated.

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Balrog0
01/14/20 5:09:27 PM
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DifferentialEquation posted...
Why does that matter?

its one of the things that makes what I said true, and what you said false

DifferentialEquation posted...
If someone who sells their house to a relative at a discount happens to be white, it's not like that's some sort of victory or privilege for white home buyers in general.

I never said that it was, although its also not appropriate for you to act like race isn't a factor at all.

DifferentialEquation posted...
A poor white person and a poor black person in the same circumstances have the same difficulties and opportunities in terms of moving to a better neighborhood.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/article/What-Happens-When-Black-People-Search-for-14845162.php

One Long Island real estate agent told a black man that houses in a predominantly white neighborhood were too expensive for his budget. But the same agent showed houses in the same neighborhood to a white man with the same amount of money to spend.
Another real estate agent warned a white homebuyer about gang violence in a mostly minority neighborhood, but she appeared to steer a black buyer with a comparable budget toward homes in that neighborhood.
All told, real estate agents treated people of color unequally 40% of the time compared with white people when they searched for homes on Long Island, one of the most racially segregated suburbs in the United States.

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Balrog0
01/14/20 5:09:38 PM
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lol gd it

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DifferentialEquation
01/14/20 5:13:49 PM
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You don't need to rely on a real estate agent for anything other than handling the paperwork. Anyone is capable of looking at their bank account and paycheck and googling "mortgage payment calculator". And anyone is capable searching the internet for home listings in their desired neighborhood. There are plenty of agents who will be happy to assist you in the sale of the home of your choice.

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Balrog0
01/14/20 5:15:10 PM
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you're presumably capable of reading, but you dont do it, so

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DifferentialEquation
01/14/20 5:21:31 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
you're presumably capable of reading, but you dont do it, so

If I was selling my house, it'd go to whoever makes the best offer. I don't give a shit what race they are.

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KillerKhan420
01/14/20 5:43:58 PM
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You know, I got modded for pointing this out last week. You're promoting nationalism by pointing this out.

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Evening_Dragon
01/14/20 6:17:36 PM
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DifferentialEquation posted...
If I was selling my house, it'd go to whoever makes the best offer. I don't give a shit what race they are.

You're keep repeating this one "price of house" thing like it's the only factor involved.

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Jiek_Fafn
01/14/20 9:21:07 PM
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ExtremeLuchador posted...
Cleveland
If you include the suburbs that's very true. Cleveland proper is weird. The East side is black majority while the West side is diverse as fuck.

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ExtremeLuchador
01/15/20 6:35:37 AM
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Jiek_Fafn posted...
If you include the suburbs that's very true. Cleveland proper is weird. The East side is black majority while the West side is diverse as fuck.

East-side city and suburban rents seem to be higher than west-side for crappier housing too.

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ViewtifulGrave
01/15/20 9:49:57 AM
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Spooking posted...
It's fun if you check LA County's data to see many people self segregate into different cities.
Why is that fun?

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