Board 8 > Nane a match you'd like to see in GotD2.

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HaRRicH
01/14/20 12:53:13 PM
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The Last of Us VS Thr Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds
Give us the finale we never got in 2013's GotY!

Super Meat Boy VS Borderlands 2
Can our Guru nom steal a win from our weakest GotY of the decade?

Final Fantasy XV VS Kingdom Hearts 3
I suppose this is as high profile of a Square/Square match as we can get this contest.

Skyrim/Witcher 3/Mass Effect 2/Persona 5/Resident Evil 2
Probably our most high-profile matches we can get without Nintendo or Square. Throw 'em in a pot and stir.

The Walking Dead VS Life is Strange
Battle of the guilt simulators: one made them mainstream and one made them perfect. Let's settle this.

Duke Nukem Forever VS any game we deem to have looked the worst in the first round
Hail to the king.

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WarThaNemesis2
01/14/20 12:54:23 PM
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Duke Nukem Forever vs. A Mobile Game

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Underleveled
01/14/20 1:11:08 PM
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Life is Strange vs something it can beat

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LeonhartFour
01/14/20 1:11:20 PM
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KH3 would stomp FFXV, but other than that, those are pretty solid choices.

I'd like to see Skyward Sword against Mario Odyssey just to see how much ZeldaFAQs would make Mario sweat.

also it should be Duke Nukem Forever against Other M

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MetalmindStats
01/14/20 1:42:50 PM
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LeonhartFour posted...
KH3 would stomp FFXV
I don't see why this is so? FF15 did win 2016's GotY here, and while its average user ratings are a bit worse than KH3's, it also has 3 times as many ratings, and our activity now certainly isn't at 1/3rd of where it was in 2016. Also, while Noctis looked terrible in 2018, so did the whole KH crew; Sora was of course much stronger, but he has genuinely well-liked (and pre-2010s) games to draw from, whereas Noctis is a one-game character. All in all, it looks like a nice, close match on paper.

LeonhartFour posted...
I'd like to see Skyward Sword against Mario Odyssey just to see how much ZeldaFAQs would make Mario sweat.
I have a certain mock bracket that might interest you, if you're into that sort of thing...!

As for HaR's choices: I'm a big fan of the Last of Us v Link Between Worlds grudge match, for obvious reasons. However, I don't like Super Meat Boy v Borderlands 2, because there's no possible way the former would prevail over a game capable of breaking 40% on EarthBound - unless Borderlands 3 has somehow crippled the brand, I guess, and even then. Also, Witcher 3 and especially Skyrim are substantially ahead of the ME2/P5/RE2 trio.

Some other matches/set-ups I'd personally like to see:

  • Portal 2 v Arkham City (which is the second strongest 2011 game?)
  • Tomb Raider v Mortal Kombat (a nice, even-looking match between successful reboots of 90s series)
  • Bayonetta 2 v God of War III (another even-looking match between similar games, in this case character actioners)
  • Final Fantasy XV v Dragon Quest XI (will the bigger series or the more well-liked game prevail? FF15 v KH3 would also be good, albeit a bit implausible by seeding merits, and I want to see DQ11 score a cool upset)
  • Grand Theft Auto V v Pokmon Black/White 2 (the first 16 > 1 upset since StarCraft in the making?)
  • Minecraft v Cuphead, Overwatch v Dragon Ball FighterZ, and Undertale v Revengeance (will the mainstream high seed or the fan favorite low seed prevail in bouts between complementary games?)
Also, I'd like to see as many of my favorites as possible in winnable matches, but I suppose that's a given.

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LeonhartFour
01/14/20 1:44:11 PM
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I don't expect FFXV to be as strong now as it was back when it won a very weak GOTY field. KH3 would have been competitive this year in a much better field, even if it didn't win. And the difference is that Noctis looked awful after his game came out, not before. FFXV doesn't have any staying power, and the fact that the game never finished will hurt it.

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MetalmindStats
01/14/20 1:53:39 PM
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I don't expect FF15 to be as strong, either, but it had actual strength back then, whereas I don't think KH3 has been above the fodder line at any point. I also think assuming both that KH3 would have been competitive in GotY voting this year and that this year's field is substantially ahead of 2016's field at the time is a big stretch.

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LeonhartFour
01/14/20 1:56:00 PM
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It did well in a poll halfway through the year asking what your current GOTY is, and I don't see any substantive reason to think it would have dropped so far off the map as to not be competitive. It was the best selling game of the year for the first half of the year, and it's got a highly anticipated DLC campaign coming out very soon.

FFXV would be a dud, and I don't know that beating 8th gen Pokemon and Uncharted 4 is "actual strength."

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MetalmindStats
01/14/20 2:10:32 PM
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LeonhartFour posted...
It did well in a poll halfway through the year asking what your current GOTY is
No, Allen omitted it from that poll just as he did from GotY: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/7643-halfway-through-2019-what-is-your-pick-for-game-of-the-year

Beating a brand-new (pre-SwSh) Pokmon generation in its honeymoon phase is at least something, and I'm hard-pressed to see how it's much worse than RE2's win over the latest in a still somewhat niche series. That being said, I agree FF15 would be a dud now, but in the sense that it wouldn't be above the fodder line, just like KH3. FF15 has slightly worse reception, yes (though KH3 hasn't exactly been well-received in its own right), and the stink of an unfinished game, but its playrate is so much higher than KH3's (plus whatever effect FF v KH in general has) that I can't see why their match wouldn't at least be close.

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LeonhartFour
01/14/20 2:14:42 PM
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MetalmindStats posted...
but its playrate is so much higher than KH3's (plus whatever effect FF v KH in general has) that I can't see why their match wouldn't at least be close.

I'm not so convinced of this. A lot of people were waiting around for FFXV to get "finished" first, and now that it never will, a lot of fans will never play it.

And I was referring to this poll, which was 3 months, so whatever.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/7550-with-three-months-gone-what-is-your-pick-for-the-best-game

And I'm not sure the FF name carries as much cache as the KH name these days if it's less than 20 years old. We've seen FFXII get drilled hard in these contests and struggle to beat unproven games.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/7514-whats-your-all-time-favorite-2-game

KH is still a well liked brand around here.

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Rolycoly
01/14/20 2:40:42 PM
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LeonhartFour posted...
I'm not so convinced of this. A lot of people were waiting around for FFXV to get "finished" first, and now that it never will, a lot of fans will never play it.
The most direct evidence we have of the two games' respective playrates here is the amount of user ratings they have here; as I mentioned before, FF15 triples KH3 on an apples-to-apples basis, or doubles it adjusted for the activity gap. I'm not sure the difference is quite that large, but I'm confident FF15 at least has a noticeable edge.

LeonhartFour posted...
And I was referring to this poll, which was 3 months, so whatever.
I mean, I guess KH3 would have been competitive in GotY if it held that margin, in the same sense Sekiro was competitive. I really don't think that's good enough to stomp FF15, though.

(Sorry for clogging up your topic with this tangentially related argument, HaR!)

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LeonhartFour
01/14/20 2:41:58 PM
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Rolycoly posted...
as I mentioned before, FF15 triples KH3 on an apples-to-apples basis, or doubles it adjusted for the activity gap. I'm not sure the difference is quite that large, but I'm confident FF15 at least has a noticeable edge.

wow this is like the early days of the contest where we thought games that were in the top 50 list would clearly be the most popular games

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Cavedweller2000
01/14/20 2:43:52 PM
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Skyrim/Witcher 3/Mass Effect 2/Persona 5/Resident Evil 2

How would you rank these 5 based on contest strength?

Thinking about it, I'd prob keep them in that order, with P5 and RE2 interchangeable? Then I have never been good at judging contest strength

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Rolycoly
01/14/20 2:50:15 PM
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LeonhartFour posted...
wow this is like the early days of the contest where we thought games that were in the top 50 list would clearly be the most popular games
I mean, if you seriously think I'm trying to argue FF15 is better-received here than KH3 because it has more ratings, I don't know what to say. If not, then explain why you think there's such a huge gap in the two games' rating amounts here, even though they apparently have very similar play rates.

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LeonhartFour
01/14/20 2:53:44 PM
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Rolycoly posted...
If not, then explain why you think there's such a huge gap in the two games' rating amounts here, even though they apparently have very similar play rates.

I dunno. I don't ever bother to rate games here after I play them. I just wouldn't put any stock into a stat like that having any bearing on how well played or well liked a game is.

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LOLIAmAnAlt
01/14/20 3:05:07 PM
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Undertale v League of Legends.

Let lol in and make it happen.

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GavsEvans123
01/14/20 3:06:57 PM
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Smash Ultimate VS Playstation All Stars, just to see how badly Playstation All Stars gets stomped, between facing what should be a really strong opponent, likely being incredibly weak itself, and being anti-voted to oblivion on top of that weakness.

Obviously, PSAS isn't making the bracket, but it would be a funny match.
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azuarc
01/14/20 3:06:59 PM
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League of Legends vs any Zelda game

LOLIAmAnAlt posted...
Undertale v League of Legends.

Let lol in and make it happen.


Dammit, beaten to the punch while I was reading the topic.

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HaRRicH
01/14/20 3:09:38 PM
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Argue away -- it's hard to say what matches would truly be close or not without some discussion!

Also, good point about how well Earthbound did. Borderlands ain't so exciting here strengthwise, but still...maybe there's somewhere else SMB can tease the upset.

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HaRRicH
01/14/20 3:12:07 PM
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MetalmindStats posted...
Portal 2 v Arkham City (which is the second strongest 2011 game?)

Third strongest probably with Skyward Sword, but I like the match as-is.

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Rolycoly
01/14/20 3:25:04 PM
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HaRRicH posted...
Third strongest probably with Skyward Sword, but I like the match as-is.
Augh, I knew I was forgetting something when I said second. Oh well, I still think it's a good match and well worth seeing.

LeonhartFour posted...
I dunno. I don't ever bother to rate games here after I play them. I just wouldn't put any stock into a stat like that having any bearing on how well played or well liked a game is.
Even so, the ratings amount gap between the two is clearly statistically significant, whatever effect taking into account those who don't rate might have. Admittedly, I've probably put a bit too much stock into their average ratings in particular - ex. despite the ample sample size, it's possible that people who don't rate games have noticeably different opinions than those who do. More concerningly, a large portion of FF15's ratings may have come during the honeymoon phase. I suppose I'll just have to agree to disagree about the margin KH3 would prevail by.

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LeonhartFour
01/14/20 3:28:41 PM
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Well, FFXV and KH3 largely have the same problem: They're games that took a decade or more to be released, and so there was really no way they could ever live up to expectations, as well as a lot of the fanbase just giving up caring about them because they took so long to come out.

But KH3 has one advantage that FFXV doesn't, and that's that the game will actually be completed. Plus, like I said, KH3 has a huge DLC dropping either shortly before or during the contest, and so KH3 will be fresh in people's minds, unlike FFXV, so I don't think that match would be close.

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LeonhartFour
01/14/20 3:30:07 PM
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like I see people say that KH3 was a disappointment (and that's fair) but I don't see people calling it a bad game as frequently as I see with FFXV (and I love FFXV)

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BlAcK TuRtLe
01/14/20 3:51:16 PM
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Dota 2 vs League of Legends

Anywhere else League would probably win, but I feel like GameFAQs is one of the few places where this is an interesting matchup

Mario Odyssey vs Galaxy 2

Again I think this would be a very close match

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HaRRicH
01/14/20 10:43:31 PM
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What is it about FF15 that makes it technically incomplete anyway? Was something promised and later announced it wouldn't deliver, or...what happened?

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LeonhartFour
01/14/20 10:46:34 PM
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There was a second season of four DLC episodes that was promised and it would wrap up the story, and the last three were canceled (and Tabata was let go from the company, on top of that), so yeah.

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linid0t
01/14/20 10:49:35 PM
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Rocket league vs overwatch
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MetalmindStats
01/14/20 11:11:25 PM
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Another match I just thought of that I've mentioned a fair few times before: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate vs. Super Smash Bros. for 3DS/Wii U. A great pick for this contest's one designated hilarious SFF blowout.

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ZenOfThunder
01/14/20 11:27:55 PM
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Sonic Mania vs League or Hearthstone

something that would be satisfying to steamroll

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LeonhartFour
01/14/20 11:28:13 PM
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HaRRicH
01/14/20 11:53:20 PM
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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
Mario Odyssey vs Galaxy 2

Again I think this would be a very close match

I thought about this match, but I think this would be a better match with Odyssey/Galaxy 1. Odyssey's the Mario-game of the 2010s.

Still, I'm interested in seeing where SMG2's place in the Nintendo hierarchy is. It probably beats the other Mario games worth noting this decade (3D-games, Mario Kart 8, Mario Maker 1/2)...but I don't think they'd be impressive wins. Could it beat every Pokemon game? Could it beat LoZ:LBW?

Skimming some polls of SMG2 against Nintendo:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/7757-whats-your-all-time-favorite-3d-super-mario-game
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/7638-which-was-the-best-of-the-3d-super-mario-bros-games
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/4841-what-is-your-favorite-wii-exlcusive-game

Does SMG2 beat Sunshine? Or LoZ:SS? Galaxy 1 is an obvious anchor in these polls.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/4217-best-of-2010-game-of-the-year

SMG2 didn't beat Pokemon HG/SS by a lot here either.

Multi-polls and SFF/LFF galore, but these suggest not to expect miracles in the Nintendo hierarchy.

Then again, looking at 2015 for some actual one-on-one matches.....

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6064-best-game-ever-day-4-super-mario-galaxy-2-vs-mass-effect
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6121-best-game-ever-day-18-round-2-smash-bros-wii-u-vs-mass
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6150-best-game-ever-day-26-round-3-smash-bros-wii-u-vs-final

Tough first round loss, but realistically this is enough to win some matches in this contest.

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HaRRicH
01/14/20 11:56:46 PM
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LeonhartFour posted...
There was a second season of four DLC episodes that was promised and it would wrap up the story, and the last three were canceled (and Tabata was let go from the company, on top of that), so yeah.

Man, yeah, big bummer for the fans I bet.

linid0t posted...
Rocket league vs overwatch

I like this, cool multiplayer battle!

LeonhartFour posted...
Sonic Mania vs. Mega Man 11

Also into this -- cool retro comebacks with modern takes!

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Ringworm
01/15/20 12:42:30 AM
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A repeat of the last decade's final match might be interesting - Majora's Mask 3D v Smash Bros 4.

Not sure if MM is eligible though.

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LeonhartFour
01/15/20 12:43:36 AM
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Ringworm posted...
Not sure if MM is eligible though.

It's not.

Thankfully.

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Lightning Strikes
01/15/20 3:24:51 AM
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I will say that I dont know if Borderlands 2 is our weakest GOTY because FFXV exists. Would FFXV beat ME3 and Xenoblade?

I would like to see an indie showdown - Shovel Knight v. Cuphead would be pretty good.

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Joelypoely
01/15/20 4:05:55 AM
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GTA V vs. RDR 2 or RDR vs. RDR 2

Civ V vs. Civ VI

Dark Souls vs. Skyrim

Portal 2 vs. INSIDE
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UltimaterializerX
01/15/20 6:59:47 AM
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azuarc posted...
League of Legends vs any Zelda game

Dammit, beaten to the punch while I was reading the topic.
League came out in 2009. Not eligible.

And it wasnt the beta, like what we have with Minecraft and why Minecraft is in. It was the actual game getting launched, hence all the 10 year celebrations League had in 2019.

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azuarc
01/15/20 11:31:48 AM
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ZenOfThunder posted...
Sonic Mania vs League <b>or Hearthstone</b>

something that would be satisfying to steamroll

>.>

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HaRRicH
01/15/20 1:18:19 PM
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Undertale VS Bioshock Infinite

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HaRRicH
01/15/20 11:07:04 PM
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Moar.

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Haste_2
01/16/20 12:12:06 AM
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Pokemon Go vs. some GTA game!!! Because GTA would probably find a way to lose!

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MetalmindStats
01/16/20 1:58:14 AM
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Haste_2 posted...
Pokemon Go vs. some GTA game!!! Because GTA would probably find a way to lose!
GTA is "hated" as in there's a notable chunk of people who don't like the series and wouldn't vote for it against pretty much anything. Pokmon GO, in contrast, is a legitimately hated game.

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_SecretSquirrel
01/16/20 3:32:31 AM
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MetalmindStats posted...
GTA is "hated" as in there's a notable chunk of people who don't like the series and wouldn't vote for it against pretty much anything. Pokmon GO, in contrast, is a legitimately hated game.
GTA IV almost beat Ruby/Sapphire in the last GotD. Even with the site becoming more extreme in this decade both towards Pokemon and against GTA, I just can't see Go > GTAV even if V has dropped down to where the rest of the series is.

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SwiftyDC
01/16/20 4:36:44 AM
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Final Fantasy XV vs. Persona 5 - my favorite game versus the most disappointing game I've played (I haven't played all the extra content that was added to XV though so, but I'm hoping Royal gives P5 a major boost to do damage in this contest, one can only hope.

Dragonball FighterZ vs. Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 - would be sweet to see the FGC back a fighting game to win it all here, get Maximillian Dood to make a bracket.

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HaRRicH
01/16/20 8:20:41 AM
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SwiftyDC posted...
Dragonball FighterZ vs. Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 - would be sweet to see the FGC back a fighting game to win it all here, get Maximillian Dood to make a bracket.

Solid.

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