Current Events > Two tyoes of Star Wars fans

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Type one respects George Lucas as the creator. His word is canon. These people wanted to see his sequel trilogy.

Type two doesn't respect George Lucas' visionary trilogy of trilogies These people tend to believe Stars Wars should be based on the most popular aspects which often means distancing itself from the prequels.

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

These people wanted to see his sequel trilogy.

You mean a different ST than the disney one?

The next three Star Wars films] were going to get into a microbiotic world. But theres this world of creatures that operate differently than we do. I call them the Whills. And the Whills are the ones who actually control the universe. They feed off the Force.
Back in the day, I used to say ultimately what this means is were just cars, vehicles, for the Whills to travel around in. Were vessels for them. And the conduit is the midi-chlorians. The midi-chlorians are the ones that communicate with the Whills. The Whills, in a general sense, they are the Force.
All the way back to with the Jedi and the Force and everything the whole concept of how things happen was laid out completely from [the beginning] to the end. But I never got to finish. I never got to tell people about it.
If Id held onto the company I could have done it, and then it would have been done. Of course, a lot of the fans would have hated it, just like they did Phantom Menace and everything, but at least the whole story from beginning to end would be told.

- George Lucas
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FrozenXylophone posted...

You mean a different ST than the disney one?

I mean when the credits roll it should say

Story by George Lucas

Darmik posted...

The next three Star Wars films] were going to get into a microbiotic world. But theres this world of creatures that operate differently than we do. I call them the Whills. And the Whills are the ones who actually control the universe. They feed off the Force.
Back in the day, I used to say ultimately what this means is were just cars, vehicles, for the Whills to travel around in. Were vessels for them. And the conduit is the midi-chlorians. The midi-chlorians are the ones that communicate with the Whills. The Whills, in a general sense, they are the Force.
All the way back to with the Jedi and the Force and everything the whole concept of how things happen was laid out completely from [the beginning] to the end. But I never got to finish. I never got to tell people about it.
If Id held onto the company I could have done it, and then it would have been done. Of course, a lot of the fans would have hated it, just like they did Phantom Menace and everything, but at least the whole story from beginning to end would be told.

This is everything I wanted.

Fuck Disney!

Darmik posted...

- George Lucas

This would have started a new era in the star wars universe with updated lore for new stories to take place.

He set this all up in the prequels with the living force and Qui-Gon mysteriously reaching out to Yoda in episode 3.

If the Disney trilogy ever gave us one this, its that there is no Star Wars without Lucas. Seriously, none of the new trilogy movies felt like actual Star Wars, the spin offs did a much better job in comparison.

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It's hard to place myself in either category, really.

There's no doubt that George Lucas made it possible, but it's difficult to act as if what we have on screen is or ever was a reflection of his pure artistic vision.

They changed horses mid-stream when Leia left Luke for Han. (And a half-assed "we're brother and sister" twist was added in to cover for why the hero lost the girl to the sidekick for the first time in any movie ever.) Before that, the revelation about Darth Vader was something made up as they went along and contradicted a few lines of dialogue from the first movie. And going back before that even, there wasn't meant to be a "Star Wars." George Lucas wanted to adapt Flash Gordon and basically did so without Flash himself. That's not to mention all of the contributions others had made to the series.

It's kinda hard to give him the final say and only say when it comes to what should be done with Star Wars -- especially when he comes up with things like Vader's virgin birth and the Force being comprised of tiny germs called midochlorians (I'm not looking up the spelling on that). Oh, and Jar Jar. Surprisingly, he's only the third worst thing to come out of the prequels.

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

This would have started a new era in the star wars universe with updated lore for new stories to take place.

He set this all up in the prequels with the living force and Qui-Gon mysteriously reaching out to Yoda in episode 3.

I think How I Met Your Mother shows that just because you planned something a long time ago doesn't mean it's good for what it eventually becomes.
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Darmik posted...

I think How I Met Your Mother shows that just because you planned something a long time ago doesn't mean it's good for what it eventually becomes.

I haven't watched HIMYM, but thanks to Disney, we'll never know if that was the case with George Lucas' concluding chapters.

I believe George should have finished the saga, then let Disney do what they want after it was complete.

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

I haven't watched HIMYM, but thanks to Disney, we'll never know if that was the case with George Lucas' concluding chapters.

I believe George should have finished the saga, then let Disney do what they want after it was complete.

If George wanted to do that he could have sold it off after the sequel trilogy. But he didn't.
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Darmik posted...

I think How I Met Your Mother shows that just because you planned something a long time ago doesn't mean it's good for what it eventually becomes.

Kinda makes me think of The Simpsons and how Marge's hair was originally meant to hide a set of bunny ears. They dropped that idea as soon as the second season hit.

Had they stuck to their guns of never letting her hair down until the final episode, it could have disrupted a lot of potential character development and shenanigans.

Darmik posted...

If George wanted to do that he could have sold it off after the sequel trilogy. But he didn't.

I blame GL most of all.

Second blame goes to the hostile fan base that likely made GL decide to sell in the first place.

Third blame goes to Disney for discarding George Lucas' sequel outline.

Neither? George Lucas is an idiot and had no plans for a second movie, let alone a ninth. But on the other hand, screw what's popular lol.

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DevsBro posted...

Neither? George Lucas is an idiot and had no plans for a second movie, let alone a ninth. But on the other hand, screw what's popular lol.

The prequels tied into the originals pretty well. There are arguably minor inconsistencies, but nothing universe breaking like the sequels.

Also, I'm fairly certain he had a plan. I've been watching special features on the DVDs and even back then he had this journal full of lore. Things like the name Palpatine, the Sith, and even midichlorians were present during the development of the Original Trilogy even if he didn't include them on film.

The PT expanded on these ideas. I am positive George Lucas' ST would have expanded even more.

What a loaded, garbage poll.

I have tremendous respect for what he did in creating the original trilogy, not to mention the way he shaped cinema and pop culture between Star Wars, Indiana Jones, and American Graffiti. I respect his right to make the prequels as he saw fit, even though I don't like them and think they were pretty bad movies overall.

George Lucas himself made the decision to sell Star Wars to Disney. That means that they also have the right to make their movies any way they see fit. The movies may not be perfect but I like any of them more than I like any of the prequels.

It's not about what's "popular" or not "respecting his vision." I would respect Lucas's sequels as his creation if he had made them. However he made the decision not to make them, and even chose who would make them, so I respect the current Lucasfilm that has been bought out by Disney as well. Maybe Lucas's vision would have been good, but he made the decision not to make them himself.

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action52 posted...

What a loaded, garbage poll.

I have tremendous respect for what he did in creating the original trilogy, not to mention the way he shaped cinema and pop culture between Star Wars, Indiana Jones, and American Graffiti. I respect his right to make the prequels as he saw fit, even though I don't like them and think they were pretty bad movies overall.

George Lucas himself made the decision to sell Star Wars to Disney. That means that they also have the right to make their movies any way they see fit. The movies may not be perfect but I like any of them more than I like any of the prequels.

It's not about what's "popular" or not "respecting his vision." I would respect Lucas's sequels as his creation if he had made them. However he made the decision not to make them, and even chose who would make them, so I respect the current Lucasfilm that has been bought out by Disney as well. Maybe Lucas's vision would have been good, but he made the decision not to make them himself.

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

I blame GL most of all.

Second blame goes to the hostile fan base that likely made GL decide to sell in the first place.

Third blame goes to Disney for discarding George Lucas' sequel outline.

Is Star Wars the one with the little wizard boy?

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I'm Type 3: The fan that liked the EU most.

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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

I blame GL most of all.

Second blame goes to the hostile fan base that likely made GL decide to sell in the first place.

Third blame goes to Disney for discarding George Lucas' sequel outline.

This was posted while I was writing line but it doesn't change much.

I respect Lucas as the creator of what he made and respect his decision to give the sequels to someone else.

Neither option you gave fits my opinion.

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Cpt_Pineapple posted...

tyoes

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action52 posted...

This was posted while I was writing line but it doesn't change much.

I respect Lucas as the creator of what he made and respect his decision to give the sequels to someone else.

Neither option you gave fits my opinion.

I would have been totally fine with Disney using George Lucas' sequel outline, but the problem is they didnt. George Lucas has stated that he was under the impression that it would be used for episodes 7-9. He still wanted the story to be completed, but Disney went the safe route.

Darmik posted...

The next three Star Wars films] were going to get into a microbiotic world. But theres this world of creatures that operate differently than we do. I call them the Whills. And the Whills are the ones who actually control the universe. They feed off the Force.
Back in the day, I used to say ultimately what this means is were just cars, vehicles, for the Whills to travel around in. Were vessels for them. And the conduit is the midi-chlorians. The midi-chlorians are the ones that communicate with the Whills. The Whills, in a general sense, they are the Force.
All the way back to with the Jedi and the Force and everything the whole concept of how things happen was laid out completely from [the beginning] to the end. But I never got to finish. I never got to tell people about it.
If Id held onto the company I could have done it, and then it would have been done. Of course, a lot of the fans would have hated it, just like they did Phantom Menace and everything, but at least the whole story from beginning to end would be told.

Sounds good to me, bro!

At a certain point, probably around the Special Editions where George tinkered with the shit, the general public decided that Star Wars belonged to them and that they can ignore any aspect they didn't understand or appreciate. It was such a cultural icon that nothing new could be applied to it. That's the price of fame.

But that's why I try not to categorize fans so strictly. Everyone has their idea of what Star Wars is and the majority don't give a shit about the details. Your hypothetical mom loves Star Wars and couldn't tell you fuck-all about the plot.


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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

haven't watched HIMYM, but thanks to Disney, we'll never know if that was the case with George Lucas' concluding chapters

Thanks to George*

George knew it was shit so be didn't make it. Just like Grrm knew he couldn't write an ending so he made d&d do it

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I Like Toast posted...

Thanks to George*

George knew it was shit so be didn't make it. Just like Grrm knew he couldn't write an ending so he made d&d do it

Is that Game of Thrones? Haven't seen that either (only read the first book), but that's no excuse for Disney botching the sequels

Even if we limit it to the movies there's more than two types of fans

You've got;
- The people who like the OT and nothing else
- The people who like the OT and the PT and nothing else
- The people who like all of the movies
- The people who like the OT and the ST/spin-offs and nothing else
- The people who like everything but The Last Jedi
- The people who like everything but The Rise of Skywalker
- The people who like the OT, the PT and the Disney spin-offs but not the ST
etc.
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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

but that's no excuse for Disney botching the sequels

The only thing they botched was being to stupid to delay episode 9 and break it onto part 1 and 2 or being too stupid to have planned out the story to work with different directors.

They tried to treat it like a marvel universe when it was meant to be a trilogy. And even then we still got 2 good movies where depending on what you wanted reys parents to be determined which of the 2 you liked.

Had George got his way we'd get 0 good movies like the prequels

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I Like Toast posted...

The only thing they botched was being to stupid to delay episode 9 and break it onto part 1 and 2 or being too stupid to have planned out the story to work with different directors.

They tried to treat it like a marvel universe when it was meant to be a trilogy. And even then we still got 2 good movies where depending on what you wanted reys parents to be determined which of the 2 you liked.

Had George got his way we'd get 0 good movies like the prequels

Many people enjoyed the prequels. Flawed, yes, but the reason PT is getting a lot of love these days is because ep1-3 expanded the universe whereas the ST essentially hit the reset button. We're basically at the same place as the end of RotJ.

You and others may believe the ST problems started with TLJ or TRoS, but TFA was the one to write the series into a corner that is way too similar to the OT.

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

Many people enjoyed the prequels.

Many people listen to the Biebs. It doesn't change the prequels being awful or the biebs being awful.

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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

Many people enjoyed the prequels. Flawed, yes, but the reason PT is getting a lot of love these days is because ep1-3 expanded the universe whereas the ST essentially hit the reset button. We're basically at the same place as the end of RotJ.

You and others may believe the ST problems started with TLJ or TRoS, but TFA was the one to write the series into a corner that is way too similar to the OT.

The reason the PT is getting a lot of love these days is because the people who watched and enjoyed them as kids are now in their 20s and 30s and have a lot of nostalgia for them.
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Is this topic bait?

I think it's bait.
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DeadBankerDream posted...

Is this topic bait?

I think it's bait.

Yes, because there is only really one type of Star Wars fan: insufferable.

Darmik posted...

The reason the PT is getting a lot of love these days is because the people who watched and enjoyed them as kids are now in their 20s and 30s and have a lot of nostalgia for them.

For the record, I greatly enjoyed TLJ and TRoS in theaters. But I credit this positive experience to my mindset going in. After TFA (the only one I disliked even after multiple viewings), I was able to convince myself that Disney's ST will not be what George Lucas was leading up to. So I looked at the ST as an alternate universe and was able to invest myself in the story and characters.

Also, I recently completed a nine week marathon (one main trilogy film a week) with first timers. They also enjoyed all the films, including the prequels. When they ranked the entire saga, it averaged to OT > PT > ST with ANH as the best and AotC as the worst (due to Anakin's creepy lines)

So this nostalgia claim you make may 've true for some people, but definitely not to all. And because of this. I highly doubt it's the casual fans hating on the prequels.

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

Disney's ST will not be what George Lucas was leading up to

Truer words have never been spoken; Disney's ST is indeed not absolutely nothing.

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DevsBro posted...

Truer words have never been spoken; Disney's ST is indeed not absolutely nothing.

The Rise of Skywalker goes a long way to disagree with that statement.

It doesnt quite reach that high, but not for lack of trying.
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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

For the record, I greatly enjoyed TLJ and TRoS in theaters. But I credit this positive experience to my mindset going in. After TFA (the only one I disliked even after multiple viewings), I was able to convince myself that Disney's ST will not be what George Lucas was leading up to. So I looked at the ST as an alternate universe and was able to invest myself in the story and characters.

Also, I recently completed a nine week marathon (one main trilogy film a week) with first timers. They also enjoyed all the films, including the prequels. When they ranked the entire saga, it averaged to OT > PT > ST with ANH as the best and AotC as the worst (due to Anakin's creepy lines)

So this nostalgia claim you make may 've true for some people, but definitely not to all. And because of this. I highly doubt it's the casual fans hating on the prequels.

Casual fans aren't the ones raving about the PT these days though.
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The new movies being a mess doesnt make the prequels good now, theyre still and always will be terrible.

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People be like "return of the jedi is good"

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• The Living Force
• Midichlorians
• Chosen One prophecy origins
• The reason for Anakin's conception
• Darth Plaguies
• Skywalker grandchildren
• Leia's New Republic
• Luke's Jedi Order
• How Qui-Gon Jinn (and Anakin) learned of force ghosts
• Mace Windu potentially still being alive
• Jar Jar Binks update.

Lots of unanswered questions and speculation left over from the first two trilogies that could have been used. And I'm sure George Lucas had even more in store.

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

You and others may believe the ST problems started with TLJ or TRoS, but TFA was the one to write the series into a corner that is way too similar to the OT.

Darmik posted...

The reason the PT is getting a lot of love these days is because the people who watched and enjoyed them as kids are now in their 20s and 30s and have a lot of nostalgia for them.

I agree with both these statements. I don't think the new movies are bad though. though. TLJ is great, R1 and TLJ are very good.

Even Solo and ROS are both decent. Flawed but fun to watch with moments I love, which is more than I can say for the prequels.

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action52 posted...

I agree with both these statements. I don't think the new movies are bad though. though. TLJ is great, R1 and TLJ are very good.

Even Solo and ROS are both decent. Flawed but fun to watch with moments I love, which is more than I can say for the prequels.

Theres plenty of moments in the PT. Episode 1 for example..

The pod race was truly thrilling. Darth Maul was mysterious and menacing. The visuals/settings were really well done. Palpatine making his moves towards ruler was first seen in this film. R2D2 saving the ship was classic star wars. And lets not forget the climactic lightsaber battle with John Williams score knocking it out of the park.

sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

* The Living Force
* Midichlorians
* Chosen One prophecy origins
* The reason for Anakin's conception
* Darth Plaguies
* Skywalker grandchildren
* Leia's New Republic
* Luke's Jedi Order
* How Qui-Gon Jinn (and Anakin) learned of force ghosts
* Mace Windu potentially still being alive
* Jar Jar Binks update.

Lots of unanswered questions and speculation left over from the first two trilogies that could have been used. And I'm sure George Lucas had even more in store.

But instead we got Rey....

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FrozenXylophone posted...

But instead we got Rey....

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Rey "Skywalker" Palpatine

Forgot to mention that I really wanted Temeura Morrison and Denis Lawson to return at least as major tertiary characters.

Morrison could be an aged Clone (or even Boba) to close out the Fett side story. Lawson of course would be legendary star fighter and war hero Wedge Antilles.

But instead we got off screen deaths of notable characters such as Admiral Ackbar and Nien Nunb.

The Whils stuff would have so bonkers. But Id prefer something weird and new to the paint-by-numbers story we ended up getting. ;p

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Funnily enough the whole 'Luke went into exile because his student betrayed him' was a thing when George was around. Disney didn't scrap everything.
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Slacker been having like a 7 day meltdown over this lmao

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RebelElite791 posted...

Slacker been having like a 7 day meltdown over this lmao

Idk what your definition of a meltdown is but I've definitely been super excited about the series for the first time in years.

Darmik posted...

Funnily enough the whole 'Luke went into exile because his student betrayed him' was a thing when George was around. Disney didn't scrap everything.

Yeah I remember reading something about that. Disney or whatever released something saying a lot of the ST was actually George Lucas' idea.

AlisLandale posted...

The Whils stuff would have so bonkers. But Id prefer something weird and new to the paint-by-numbers story we ended up getting. ;p

Same. Thought George Lucas was crazy when i first heard about it, but the concept grew on me. Especially when i learned how they Whills were part of star wars development since the OT.

Sounds very interesting to say the least.

I just enjoy all of them, because a fantasy movie about space wizards really shouldn't get this much hate.
sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

Yeah I remember reading something about that. Disney or whatever released something saying a lot of the ST was actually George Lucas' idea.

Lucas' idea was something akin to "Luke puts himself into self imposed exile until a new (female) student comes to try and get him to come back. He initially refuses, but ultimately helps save the day for the new protagonist". And everyone hated it.