Current Events > What are things you think are harder for men than women?

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I think overall women have it harder than men, but that sometimes women underestimate how much it's harder for men to meet new women.(Even as a gay guy, I feel like I do not have to make much effort compared to my straight friend through grindr).

They also underestimate peer pressure from dumb mentalities like "real men should not show their feelings".

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I like how you approached this topic but it might make CEmen have a collective breakdown

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Fencing, according to a topic I was reading on the PS4 board.

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not sure if this is a serious topic.

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I will say, it is harder for a guy to get dates. I usually argue against this here, just because a lot of guys here go overboard with it. They try to make it sound impossible for guys, when there's evidence everywhere showing the opposite. They tried like one place. Usually that place is a place that is known for being shallow.

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The male penis is drastically harder than the female penis.

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Surprised no one has mentioned family court yet. Anything to do with custody of children; or in some states the man is automatically responsible for alimony payments even if the relationship was ended due to physical assault and violence by their partner.

Barring family matters though, or societal expectations for dating, the list is likely quite short.

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Jiek_Fafn posted...

The male penis is drastically harder than the female penis.

excuse me????????

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DuneMan posted...

Surprised no one has mentioned family court yet. Anything to do with custody of children; or in some states the man is automatically responsible for alimony payments even if the relationship was ended due to physical assault and violence by their partner.

Barring family matters though, or societal expectations for dating, the list is likely quite short.

I got no clue how it works, but I know a guy who told me he easily got custody of children.

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Flexibility is an easy one.

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They get praise for their tits and we get made fun of if we have tits.

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Peeing while aroused.

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epik_fail1 posted...

I got no clue how it works, but I know a guy who told me he easily got custody of children.

Turns out men don't usually even ask for custody. When they do ask they have about a 50% chance of winning like you expect.

Also nobody automatically assumes the man pays alimony. It's always from the higher earner to the lower earner with a custody factor involved. For example if someone makes only a little more money and has custody of the children they might both get child support and not have to pay alimony.

Anyone saying the family courts are biased against men is arguing from anecdotal evidence or false pretenses.

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epik_fail1 posted...

I know a guy who told me he easily got custody of children.

Drug abuse is the one common overriding factor. E.g. cocaine, meth, opioid convictions can disqualify a mother from custody. In other circumstances though the mother has to almost consciously choose to foist the children off onto the father before the courts agree.

But I suppose there's a chance that stuff is shifting in the courts.

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Getting a decent job in sales or service industry. Which is basically the entire job market now if you don't have an engineering degree.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Turns out men don't usually even ask for custody. When they do ask they have about a 50% chance of winning like you expect.

But that could be 'a chicken or the egg' consideration. Census statistics show that about only 17.5% of custodial parents are fathers. Also, in the case of child support payments, the data favors mothers over fathers; about a third of fathers receive payments while half to two-thirds of mothers get payments.

You also have to consider 'why' there would be cases where fathers don't fight it out in courts to get custody. Things like 5/6 cases of the mother getting custody, knowing that there's a lower rate of child support if they do get custody, and in the cases of younger and less educated parents not knowing the legal system, can all play into it. It's not so simple as to imply that men somehow don't care about children. There will anecdotal cases, but it isn't the norm for someone to just write their children out of their lives.

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I'm not implying men don't care about children. The problem cold be much more pragmatic. They think they can't win so they don't even ask. Also, this is about fighting for custody. If the parents have a no-contest custody agreement, then that isn't decided by the family courts except to recognize its validity.

You can go to court to fight over who gets the house while simultaneously agreeing that dad gets the kids every other week.

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Being a kindergarten teacher. Some people still wonder why a man would want to work with young children.

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Getting emotional support.

Women, I feel, can get that sort of thing s lot easier than men. Women aren't seen as less of a woman if they need to cry. Women are more free to talk about their feelings.

It's harder to do that as a man since you're not "supposed" to talk about your feelings.

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Umbreon posted...

Getting emotional support.

Women, I feel, can get that sort of thing s lot easier than men. Women aren't seen as less of a woman if they need to cry. Women are more free to talk about their feelings.

It's harder to do that as a man since you're not "supposed" to talk about your feelings.

I believe this is true. I just got lucky and was the youngest of 4 with all sisters. So I was the one spearheading my boys into being ok talking about their emotions and shit. I still don't show emotion when I talk about emotions, but Im very open verbally. Like, I won't cry in front of my boys, but I have no trouble admitting when I've cried. So, I guess it still applies to an extent even with my advantages. I talk to literally everyone about anxiety now. It's very freeing. Just gotta take baby steps.

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giving birth

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Sariana21 posted...

Being a kindergarten teacher. Some people still wonder why a man would want to work with young children.

The foster care system plays into that as well, looking at men with additional suspicion. You can also hear stories about fathers facing prejudice if they go to the park with their children, as some individuals assume some ulterior motive.

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epik_fail1 posted...

I got no clue how it works, but I know a guy who told me he easily got custody of children.

Statistics show that if a man seeks full (not split) custody, he wins over 80% of the time. There's other factors that probably are at play. There's also not as many men looking for sole custody so the ones who do almost all actually want the kids. The research I found didn't note their income but I'd not be surprised if it were mostly just middle upper class men seeking sole custody. So more money for lawyers, more stable home and especially if the mother was a more traditional wife without a career of her ownand so on.

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Dating

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it is weird to discuss custody as something harder for men or women when kids are the ones who suffer.

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It's definitely harder to get dates, especially if you're shy, timid, or otherwise unassertive.

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gunplagirl posted...

Statistics show that if a man seeks full (not split) custody, he wins over 80% of the time. There's other factors that probably are at play. There's also not as many men looking for sole custody so the ones who do almost all actually want the kids. The research I found didn't note their income but I'd not be surprised if it were mostly just middle upper class men seeking sole custody. So more money for lawyers, more stable home and especially if the mother was a more traditional wife without a career of her ownand so on.

People always use this argument to support their prior beliefs without looking into it even slightly. We all know men that would rather have no custody rather than full. Of course, why would you openly admit that even if you did. Blaming the system to not look as bad is an easy way out. Im sure there are some good dads that get fucked by loopholes and what not, but that's literally every situation when dealing with the law. There will always be people who get stepped on without justification

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Wewillrocku posted...

it is weird to discuss custody as something harder for men or women when kids are the ones who suffer.

I won't lie, you have a point there.

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getting into clubs.

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Lost_All_Senses posted...

People always use this argument to support their prior beliefs without looking into it even slightly. We all know men that would rather have no custody rather than full. Of course, why would you openly admit that even if you did. Blaming the system to not look as bad is an easy way out. Im sure there are some good dads that get fucked by loopholes and what not, but that's literally every situation when dealing with the law. There will always be people who get stepped on without justification

Exactly why I noted the factors for the statistics. They really can't be taken by themselves. Life is just. Oof.

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