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BUMPED2002
01/10/20 8:47:59 AM
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Should college tuition at public colleges and universities be free?





At one time until the early 1970s, America had tuition free college education at public colleges and universities.

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LinkPizza
01/10/20 8:49:45 AM
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Its like more school. Free college would probably be a good idea... At least for the first or each level of degree. After that, then maybe charge...
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CTLM
01/10/20 9:08:46 AM
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NY schools are now free depending on afew requirements, such as you're a resident of the state and you earn less than 125k

https://www.ny.gov/programs/tuition-free-degree-program-excelsior-scholarship

It's a good program, but helped me to no extent as it started after I began my Master's degree, and even then, that degree would not have been free.
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Death Commander
01/10/20 9:14:08 AM
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The only answer is yes. Anything else and you're just a bootlicker and a fool.

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trodi_911
01/10/20 9:16:52 AM
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What's college even in jail for?

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CaptainStrong
01/10/20 9:17:08 AM
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If America can afford endless war, we can afford to educate our people.
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The_HoochGoblin
01/10/20 9:47:24 AM
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CaptainStrong posted...
If America can afford endless war, we can afford to educate our people.
Educating our people would lead to the end of the wars, the man behind the curtain can't have that.

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rexcrk
01/10/20 9:48:17 AM
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Absolutely- to a point. Right now Im in college because my work union has a free college program.

I never went to college right after high school because its too damned expensive (and that honestly fucked me over in a lot of ways).

If it cant be free then it needs to at least be more affordable and / or you shouldnt even have to pay them back until you get a job with the degree that you went to college for. And payment needs to be based on your wage against your other financial responsibilities.

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OniRonin
01/10/20 11:34:45 AM
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"Free College" is a lie. It is a lie that makes the argument in "Truthiness" that we have so many schools that it can't possibly be the case that we can't afford to be "free." Because we want everything for free. Because we get tattoos and bandanas because it is the only thing that we can get away with, because we feel like we are really being taken care of at that school, and because it will be the only way for us to get a degree. These are excuses that we use because they justify this point of view, this delusional expectation that we will have more than enough money for everything we want. I have never made this argument because I believe it, I've made this argument because I need it.

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Kyuubi4269
01/10/20 11:42:06 AM
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Free college is common sense as jobs get more and more technical. We're already at a point where 13 years of education add nearly no gain in productiveness as every job that expects you to know how to count or speak English demands college education.

If we don't pay to get people up to a productive output, we may as well save even more money and get rid of free schooling all together. Useless education is even worse than inaccessible education.
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dedbus
01/10/20 11:46:01 AM
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The_HoochGoblin posted...
Educating our people would lead to the end of the wars, the man behind the curtain can't have that.
Pretty much all world leaders throughout history are educated. Illiterate peasants aren't thinking maybe they should take their hoes and till some castle walls because whatever. Knowledge is power and power creates greed for more of it.
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Kyuubi4269
01/10/20 12:50:30 PM
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dedbus posted...

Pretty much all world leaders throughout history are educated. Illiterate peasants aren't thinking maybe they should take their hoes and till some castle walls because whatever. Knowledge is power and power creates greed for more of it.

Idk, I see illiterate peasants getting in mini wars on the streets outside clubs a lot more than classically trained ones.
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Judgmenl
01/10/20 12:51:27 PM
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Tuition is an insignificant part of the bill in University. For me it was like $1,000 out of $10,000 a semester.
Also people shouldn't be forced to go to University.

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adjl
01/10/20 12:52:29 PM
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Free may be a bit unrealistic, but the degree (pun not intended) to which post-secondary costs have ballooned in the past few decades is utterly ridiculous and definitely needs to be reined in. Whether that comes by restricting the amount of extra costs a university can tack on to get a degree or by subsidizing tuition to a certain extent (or, realistically, a good chunk of both), I don't think it really matters, but the current paradigm of student debt just isn't sustainable.

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Kyuubi4269
01/10/20 12:58:40 PM
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Judgmenl posted...
Tuition is an insignificant part of the bill in University. For me it was like $1,000 out of $10,000 a semester.

You can't get tuition in a public park by word of mouth, the rest is essential to deliver tuition.

Judgmenl posted...
Also people shouldn't be forced to go to University.

Then why should people be forced to get any education? You don't need qualifications to be a burger flipper.
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Mead
01/10/20 1:15:47 PM
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I think that public state colleges should be free for residents and taxpayer funded

a better educated populous benefits everyone

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Judgmenl
01/10/20 1:17:40 PM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
Then why should people be forced to get any education? You don't need qualifications to be a burger flipper.
Stop being a contrarian. Grade school is a daycare/prison for children, not education.

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streamofthesky
01/10/20 4:22:42 PM
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Maybe free community college or trade school for 2 years, but not free 4 year university/college degree. Of course, if someone wanted to go to CC for 2 years and transfer credits to a 4 year college to get a B.S. or B.A. degree, then go ahead.

Free college just turns a college degree into the new HS diploma. A baseline level of education that companies require in job postings even if the education is completely unnecessary for the job in question.
Already had a taste of that during the Great Recession when unemployment spiked and employers had tons of applicants for any job posting.
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GanonsSpirit
01/10/20 4:54:20 PM
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streamofthesky posted...
Free college just turns a college degree into the new HS diploma. A baseline level of education that companies require in job postings even if the education is completely unnecessary for the job in question.
It's literally already that but degrees cost tens of thousands of dollars.

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captpackrat
01/10/20 5:22:43 PM
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https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2019/09/17/student-loan-crisis-not-mideast-wars-helped-army-leaders-exceed-recruiting-goals-this-year/

Student loan crisis, not Mideast wars, helped Army leaders exceed recruiting goals this year

Army leadership gathered Tuesday to announce that they surpassed their recruiting goal for 2019, signing up more than 68,000 active duty soldiers before the end of the fiscal year, but the long wars in the Middle East werent exactly part of the sales pitch.

Based on his experience visiting 30 to 40 recruiting stations this year, the eventual outcomes of wars abroad are not really part of the discussion between potential soldiers and their recruiters, Maj. Gen. Frank Muth, head of Army Recruiting Command, told reporters at the Pentagon Tuesday.

One of the national crises right now is student loans, so $31,000 is [about] the average, Muth said. You can get out [of the Army] after four years, 100 percent paid for state college anywhere in the United States."

A significant part of the recruiting push has been showing that the Army serves as a pathway to Americas middle class, with several service leaders noting that their children used GI Bill benefits and ROTC scholarships.

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Zareth
01/10/20 5:45:27 PM
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If you have to pay for public education it's not really public education now is it.

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gguirao
01/11/20 12:11:27 PM
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Yes. Paying for things like room, board, and supplies should be enough.

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Noop_Noop
01/11/20 12:13:54 PM
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so long as college professors keep pushing a political agenda i vehemently oppose, i do not want to be forced to pay for others to go listen to them

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KJ StErOiDs
01/11/20 12:15:03 PM
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If yes, then for the same reason it should also be mandatory: Education!

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MrMelodramatic
01/11/20 12:33:29 PM
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Options 1 and 3
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Disengaged
01/11/20 1:58:07 PM
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The_HoochGoblin posted...
Educating our people would lead to the end of the wars, the man behind the curtain can't have that.

It would also be an imminent increase in future competition for incumbent businesses.

Which they REALLY dont want.

Lobbyists use lobbying literally as an extension of common business practices, with this change in laws in the early 70's being a very blatant example of raising barriers to entry.

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Yellow
01/11/20 2:19:42 PM
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Yes, but also a big part of the problem is that colleges overcharge you to hell.

What's it gotten, 30 times more expensive? I want to see colleges held accountable for this. Are they just going to charge the government $40k? Seems like a racket. We wouldn't have this problem if it costed what it did in the 70s.

You never see that part brought up. Altogether it'd still be cheaper than 3 more aircraft carriers.

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streamofthesky
01/11/20 2:53:22 PM
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Yellow posted...
Yes, but also a big part of the problem is that colleges overcharge you to hell.

What's it gotten, 30 times more expensive? I want to see colleges held accountable for this. Are they just going to charge the government $40k? Seems like a racket. We wouldn't have this problem if it costed what it did in the 70s.

You never see that part brought up. Altogether it'd still be cheaper than 3 more aircraft carriers.
It's ultimately a reflection of the students and parents, and mostly their fault.
The schools focus on constantly revamping and improving their facilities and grounds, and hiring a ton of admin staff.
Because that's the kind of shiny crap that catches prospective customers' eyes.

None of it is necessary to get a good education. But it sure does look nice. If a college chooses to keep their facilities in a state of "functional, but kind of an eyesore" in order to keep tuition prices down, and another is constantly opening new "state of the art" buildings b/c no one really cares what the sticker price is when it's something they won't have to pay off till later...
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CTLM
01/11/20 2:59:02 PM
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Yellow posted...
Yes, but also a big part of the problem is that colleges overcharge you to hell.

What's it gotten, 30 times more expensive? I want to see colleges held accountable for this. Are they just going to charge the government $40k? Seems like a racket. We wouldn't have this problem if it costed what it did in the 70s.

You never see that part brought up. Altogether it'd still be cheaper than 3 more aircraft carriers.

Depends on the school too with the overcharges. I would be charged room and board, plus those out of state student expenses in many colleges even though I took all my classes online. Hell, my last college charged me library and gym fees even though I never stepped foot in either one.

My last school's tuition was 25k for two years, yet my student loans taken out were for over 35k and I still ended up pay 4k out of my own pocket to finish.
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GreenKnight127
01/11/20 2:59:26 PM
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If college was free, there are a number of frightening things that would happen:

1.) Employers would stop giving two shits whether a person went to college or not.
2.) A LOT of students would be dropping out because they can't maintain the grades to remain in college.
3.) Colleges will start demanding higher grades and other ridiculous requirements in order to stay in college, to compensate for the enormous influx of new students who are only there because it's free.
4.) Taxes would go up in other departments to make up for the money lost on tuition. Such as: the cost of books and other stuff they will try to wriggle out of paying for.
5.) The quality of college will degrade significantly, making people not want to go.
6.) Private universities that DO cost money....will spike. And private universities will be able to legally bind students in very disturbing ways, such as pushing specific religious and political viewpoints on them that state schools do enough as it is already....but will be even worse in the private universities.

Either way, no matter how you slice it, we're all gunna eat dat shit sandwich.


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TheWitchMorgana
01/11/20 3:30:32 PM
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yeah employers would be like i dont think youre serious about this job since you wont go 100k into debt for it

americans have brain worms dude

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acesxhigh
01/11/20 4:01:33 PM
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MrMelodramatic posted...
Options 1 and 3
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01/11/20 4:12:15 PM
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01/11/20 4:30:01 PM
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Mead posted...
I think that public state colleges should be free for residents and taxpayer funded

a better educated populous benefits everyone


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