Board 8 > Pokémon Direct coming Thursday (6:30AM Pacific)

(+) Yeah! (+)

I'm giddy about having to pay for Nintendo Online Subscription AND Pokemon Home as well.

$$$$$

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Actually, yeah. Home might end up being the cheaper option after all.
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Mewtwo59 posted...

I hate the "You can just trade for them" argument. Unless the GTS is coming with the DLC, getting 200+ Pokmon through trading is going to be a huge pain.

Or hm...you know, breed them in USUM and transfer them? like, this isn't different from any other new gen we had in the past

(Of course it doesn't apply to legendaries but who cares)

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You have to pay for Home if you want to do that. It's probably going to be the cheaper option assuming Home doesn't need Nintendo Online and you don't already have it, but if it does need Nintendo Online, I'd rather pay one subscription to get what I want rather than 2.
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Im not gonna pre-purchase the expansion pass. I need to hear some impressions about the first one before I pull the trigger. I was all aboard until they mentioned that the new areas are akin to the Wild Area with more stuff to do. What the game is truly missing, apart from a story thats worth even a 5 out of 10 until the post-game episode comes along and suddenly something happens with actual buildup, is adequate world design.

Ill settle up and buy this thing if it has routes and dungeons and such even half as competently-crafted as the DS generations but at the moment Im concerned its just going to be more wide open fields with a newly-colored overlay. If there isnt any worthwhile story meat either then Ill honestly just pass on this and wait for the Gen 4 remakes.

I can already tell that this Mystery Dungeon remake thing will scratch my Poke itch if need be anyway. Ive never played these games before and the demo is super fun!

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I rewatched the trailer and I have to say, there is 0 percent chance the dlc will be good/playable.

Game Freak is the master of taking tiny bits of gameplay and making them seem like their more than they are. Remember how they showed almost everything new in ultra sun and ultra moon in a way to make it seem like the game would have a new story? Remember when they showed footage to make it look like the wild area would have different biomes?

In this footage we got concept art, models of already existing pokemon, and thats pretty much it. And the game is coming out in months.

My guess is this will be less game than the b/w post game content to a considerable degree.

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that's a santarpg take if I've ever seen one

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Mewtwo59 posted...

I hate the "You can just trade for them" argument. Unless the GTS is coming with the DLC, getting 200+ Pokmon through trading is going to be a huge pain.

And this wasnt true in previous generations?
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They at least had the GTS so that you didn't have to coordinate with someone for a bunch of Pokmon. This game doesn't have that.
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Mewtwo59 posted...

You have to pay for Home if you want to do that

Was it confirmed that it cost money?

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It said that it's a paid subscription. It didn't say how much.
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Naye745 posted...

that's a santarpg take if I've ever seen one

Thank you!

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SantaRPidgey posted...

I rewatched the trailer and I have to say, there is 0 percent chance the dlc will be good/playable.

Game Freak is the master of taking tiny bits of gameplay and making them seem like their more than they are. Remember how they showed almost everything new in ultra sun and ultra moon in a way to make it seem like the game would have a new story? Remember when they showed footage to make it look like the wild area would have different biomes?

In this footage we got concept art, models of already existing pokemon, and thats pretty much it. And the game is coming out in months.

My guess is this will be less game than the b/w post game content to a considerable degree.

Yes, this is exactly what I wanted to say
USUM concept arts were spectacular.

And then we gota...Ultra Megapolis. Never forget



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The director of the expansions is a young new guy. Maybe he'll actually have good ideas and be able to pull them off.

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Reminder that Game Freak is now letting you pay full price+half for a still unfinished game

just wanted to throw that out there

also that whatever valid reasons they might have had for not including more pokemon are bunk because they're doing it anyways, except now they can charge for it

I think people have joked about GF making half the pokedex dlc but they're literally doing that now.

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Hey, it seemed to work for FFXV.
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Well I still haven't spent a cent on game freak games since the switch so my conscience is clear.

maybe we'll get a Sword and Shield COMPLETE for 60 bucks in 2022 and I'll buy that

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Shonen_Bat posted...

Reminder that Game Freak is now letting you pay full price+half for a still unfinished game

just wanted to throw that out there

also that whatever valid reasons they might have had for not including more pokemon are bunk because they're doing it anyways, except now they can charge for it

I think people have joked about GF making half the pokedex dlc but they're literally doing that now.

You do know that they arent charging for the dex update, right? Youll be able to transfer in older Pokmon without needing to buy the DLC.
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You're going to have to pay for them in some way. Either for the DLC, for Home, or for Nintendo Online.
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Mewtwo59 posted...

You're going to have to pay for them in some way. Either for the DLC, for Home, or for Nintendo Online.

This is kind of a silly argument unless you can prove a substantial amount of people would be ONLY trading for the new 200 Pokemon and doing absolutely nothing else with Nintendo Online at all. That's the only way you could justify including it as a cost for this.

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it's extra money you have to pay to actually play the game with all of its content and features

whatever way you tear it, game freak shouldn't be defended for releasing a full price unfinished game and then adding in the missing content as dlc

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To clarify what I mean by that, the way people always go "Oh, the game really costs $80 if you want to play online!" with Switch games is dumb because the argument treats it as if NSO is being purchased again and again for every single game. Once you've bought it for one thing, you have it for everything else, so continuously using the argument of "Well you have to account for Nintendo Online" is kinda misleading. Even if you literally only use it for Pokemon, if you've already paid for it to trade/battle/whatever currently, then tacking it on like its an extra charge for trading for the DLC Pokemon isn't really a fair argument.

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Shonen_Bat posted...

it's extra money you have to pay to actually play the game with all of its content and features

whatever way you tear it, game freak shouldn't be defended for releasing a full price unfinished game and then adding in the missing content as dlc

Like, this is just a bad argument.

"Oh you can trade for the Pokemon and don't have to pay a cent for the DLC? But you do have to pay for online so fuck gamefreak"

For one, that's a "Fuck Nintendo," if anything. It's out of GameFreak's hands at that point.

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Gonna be honest they should just skip Sinnoh and go straight to Unova

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Shonen_Bat posted...

whatever way you tear it, game freak shouldn't be defended for releasing a full price unfinished game and then adding in the missing content as dlc

This is no different than their previous model of releasing a more complete version of the game through a third version or sequels. You still had to pay for a second game to get the full experience. Only with the DLC model, you don't have to play through the game again as the DLC allows to continue playing the game from your existing save file.
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LusterSoldier posted...

This is no different than their previous model of releasing a more complete version of the game through a third version or sequels. You still had to pay for a second game to get the full experience. Only with the DLC model, you don't have to play through the game again as the DLC allows to continue playing the game from your existing save file.

Even more, you don't have to buy the "third version" at all with DLC since they're patching the Pokedex into the game you already own, so it's actually better than before. Before, you still had to trade to get Pokemon that weren't in the regiondex, and you had to buy the third version to get any new Pokemon/forms it had. In this case, if you want a new form of a Pokemon, you just trade for it, something you couldn't do previously without having to buy that game yourself.

The only difference is Nintendo charges for online now, but that's not Gamefreak's fault.

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Normally, this would just be a cut and dry case of "Game came out with more content separate from the game, here buy it if you want." But all I've heard is how sparse the game is and how not worth the full price it is, so from that standpoint, having to pay MORE to get to the actual possible "good stuff" so soon after the game release itself as well...I can see why some people might decry them for that.
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Shonen_Bat posted...

it's extra money you have to pay to actually play the game with all of its content and features

whatever way you tear it, game freak shouldn't be defended for releasing a full price unfinished game and then adding in the missing content as dlc

I dunno, guys, I think he may be onto something here. It's not like any other game developer would try something like this, right? What kind of company would knowingly put out a game and expect people to buy additional content for it?

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ChichiriMuyo posted...

What kind of company would knowingly put out a blatantly unfinished game and expect people to buy additional content for it?

fixed that one up for you chief

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Before you could skip the first version and buy the enhanced version. Now you have to buy the base version and the DLC. It's better for people who buy everything, but worse for the ones who wait.
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I dont think many people wait considering how many copies these games sell. Its probably like 1% or less of the player base

Shonen_Bat posted...

fixed that one up for you chief

Even if they included the national dex from the very beginning, you'd still have to transfer or trade for a good number of them, anyway, since they've never released a game with everything in the regional dex, so what is your actual complaint, here?

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direct beat

wow the young director is handsome as fuck

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Remember when USUM was announced and everyone was mad that its wasn't either a Switch port or DLC
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So should I watch this direct or was it just full of expected disappointment.

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red13n posted...

So should I watch this direct or was it just full of expected disappointment.

It's actually got better positive reception than the game initially did. Shows a lot of new content for SwSh. I'd say to watch it.

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red13n posted...

So should I watch this direct or was it just full of expected disappointment.

My expectations were 15 minutes of Home and 5 of Sleep so that was definitely surpassed. Adjust your own accordingly.

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GuessMyUserName posted...

direct beat

wow the young director is handsome as fuck

th-thank you gmun-san

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the problem I have with this isn't the Dex cut stuff or the dlc on its own

it's that they pushed out a half finished game in time for a deadline and are expecting people to pay more than full price to have a complete game

and if this thread shows anything, they're absolutely right

it's 'just' more Pokemon and a few post game areas this time, but the next one will fill out the barebones second half of the main game, or something

and people will still defend it

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Thats sadly not feeling that uncommon these days so its not surprising people are getting used to it.

Shonen_Bat posted...

the problem I have with this isn't the Dex cut stuff or the dlc on its own

it's that they pushed out a half finished game in time for a deadline and are expecting people to pay more than full price to have a complete game

and if this thread shows anything, they're absolutely right

it's 'just' more Pokemon and a few post game areas this time, but the next one will fill out the barebones second half of the main game, or something

and people will still defend it

Ok so you're officially out of arguments and are resorting to the same old "people will eat shit no matter what" whine
Good to know
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Shonen_Bat posted...

it's that they pushed out a half finished game in time for a deadline and are expecting people to pay more than full price to have a complete game

Disagree though. Most people I know got 30-40 hours out of it just to beat it, while moving at a very leisurely pace, and plenty more post game when working on the dex. For a $60 game, that's a lot of time. I can't imagine most people being upset to spend on average 2 work hours to pay for a game, and get x20 more than that in gameplay.

Sure, it's always fine to want a game to be bigger, but I can't really complain about what we got. I'll definitely buy more DLC.

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i didn't really find sword/shield to be any more lacking than sun/moon or x/y in terms of in-game content. they're all about the same in terms of dex counts and are relatively lacking in post-game content. the only main difference is the dexit complaints tbqh

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it's almost like the people who think Pokemon should be better than a pile of shit on a plate are right, or something? call me crazy here, but there's probably a reason that argument comes up so often

and sword/shield might be pretty long, since they're pokemon, but it's still incredibly lazily done and almost every area is just a straight path to the next area, plot points just come and go with no buildup, etc

"they gave us mediocrity before" isn't an excuse to accept more of it at double the price

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Shonen_Bat posted...

it's almost like the people who think Pokemon should be better than a pile of shit on a plate are right, or something?

It's almost like whether Sword/Shield are "a pile of shit on a plate" is incredibly subjective or something

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Shonen_Bat posted...

it's almost like the people who think Pokemon should be better than a pile of shit on a plate are right, or something? call me crazy here, but there's probably a reason that argument comes up so often

and sword/shield might be pretty long, since they're pokemon, but it's still incredibly lazily done and almost every area is just a straight path to the next area, plot points just come and go with no buildup, etc

"they gave us mediocrity before" isn't an excuse to accept more of it at double the price

You sound like the type of person who would complain about a blow job because the girl was only a 7.

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except it isn't really, since it's an obviously unfinished game

I'm not saying the game is 100% terrible, it's actually fun when they gave a damn, but game freak doesn't deserve credit for taking out half of the game and selling it to us later

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I mean how far off is "100% terrible" to "a pile of shit on a plate"

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sword and shield is more like a four or a five in my opinion but I guess I'm entitled for expecting more from a multi billion dollar company

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i mean, the idea that the game should be more robust than previous versions because it's on a full-fledged console and costs 60 bucks seems reasonable to me

the idea that gamefreak is lacking in time to make the games as content-filled as stuff like platinum and b2/w2 because they're being asked by nintendo to pop one out every year also seems like understandable criticism

which is why all the hyperbolic responses like "the game is obviously not finished" are just garbage. you can be frustrated that the product isn't better but when you just jump to the maximum extreme it makes me think you have no hill to stand on

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