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bwburke94
12/19/19 5:14:35 PM
#1:


Should we do a winner rankdown?


I'm surprised they're finally doing all-winners. Maybe they needed a way to rebound from IOI.

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Underleveled
12/19/19 6:06:46 PM
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Naye745
12/19/19 6:12:52 PM
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i'm honestly looking forward to the all-winners season

as weird as it is, i think it helps that i have no one or two people i NEED to see win this season - i'm pretty happy with just about anyone doing well and going far, and even though i have a few favorites, i could totally see myself getting won over by someone i have less immediate love for, like danni or michele or wendell

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GTM
12/19/19 6:46:36 PM
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Off-season topic title should be something like "Praying for TAR32 to be good." I'll likely be asleep or at work when it gets made.
RIP

South Pacific, I get. I disagree, but I GET it. Ghost Island though, is one of the flattest and most uninspiring seasons ever. It definitely doesnt warrant outright HATRED. Not when there are actively offensive seasons out there.
Morgan was voted out early and Andy is her biggest fan

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Underleveled
12/19/19 6:58:49 PM
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Fact - because of the low sample size, Andy's vote on Morgan brought her up about 250 placements in that ranking.

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Naye745
12/19/19 8:45:40 PM
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i'll defend morgan being a good character for a pre-merge boot and there were some more indefensible choices on that list that multiple people supported tbqh

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Chaeix
12/19/19 11:26:30 PM
#7:


UNOFFICIAL POLL: ARE YOU MORE EXCITED FOR

A) Winners at War
B) Australian Survivor All-Stars

Throw me square in the B camp friendos

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Naye745
12/19/19 11:50:36 PM
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i mean A

i dont watch the foreign survivors
i'm sure some are p good but you've gotta draw a line somewhere

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Peridiam
12/20/19 2:31:37 AM
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Australian Survivor is legit. But I'm more hyped for Winners at War just because it's 39 seasons in the making, and it's... 20 winners.

But I'm also really hype for Aussie All-Stars. I've enjoyed all 4 seasons of Aussie Survivor and I'm fairly confident the new one will be just as fun.

Seriously all, if you're somewhat fatigued by US Survivor, give Aus a try. It's very refreshing.

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The Mana Sword
12/20/19 6:26:58 AM
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gimme dat S40

despite being down on Survivor and knowing all the twists they crammed into next season, and the cast missing a few notable winners, Im still unreasonably hyped for February.

Ill watch AUS survivor someday

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SavageInTheBox
12/20/19 9:46:09 AM
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I'm rooting for Michele both because I like her a lot and because she is insanely underrated as a winner and unfairly maligned, even by Jeff himself.

I also hope Tony does better than last time, but he might be the only person in the cast who has 0 chance at winning.

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Underleveled
12/20/19 10:08:43 AM
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Although Oo is insistent that no legit boot/F3 spoilers are out there yet, I'm still considering myself spoiled until the F3 I saw is rendered impossible (either by all three being on EoE pre-merge or two of them post-merge).

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bwburke94
12/20/19 10:33:07 AM
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It's quite possible that the F3 you saw is legit, but with so many fake spoilers going around...

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Surskit
12/20/19 10:36:49 AM
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I'd wager Sandra has a zero percent chance at winning, maybe even more so than Tony who was clowned enough by his second boot that they might not immediately try to take him out again. Michele is also likely fucked, for that matter. I cannot see these people rewarding her with the winner of winners title given her reputation, unless she really hits it out of the park in a completely dominant fashion but that's not her playstyle. If there was ever a time the women should align and try to make F3 together, this is it. Ego is likely to play a big role this season, imo. I love the idea that Jeff accepted to bring Michele back to humiliate her and that she dominates instead. Go get 'em, girl. Otherwise, I'm rooting for the old schoolers here.

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Espeon
12/20/19 10:44:19 AM
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You can already count out the ten female winners. Survivor isnt designed for women to win anymore.

Given that the cast skews older as well, Id write off Nick and Adam as well. Plus Rob and Tony will inevitably be targeted as threats.

That leaves Ethan, Tyson, Wendell, Ben, Yul and Jeremy. Ethan is too old school to be successful, Ben was a weak winner the first time around, Tyson is too cocky, Jeremy has that All-Star stigma.

Between Wendell and Yul, I just feel like Wendell will find more success, so hes my prediction.

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Surskit
12/20/19 10:52:23 AM
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Espeon posted...
That leaves Ethan, Tyson, Wendell, Ben, Yul and Jeremy. Ethan is too old school to be successful, Ben was a weak winner the first time around, Tyson is too cocky, Jeremy has that All-Star stigma.
Meh. I doubt Ethan will translate into modern Survivor, I agree. But Ben could easily flourish; it's not like Tyson was a particularly great player before he won. Tyson being too cocky is also kind of a weak reason to count him out. I think people would respect him regardless if he plays a great game. Jeremy may have a stigma and he's coming with one of the strongest games played in modern Survivor, but so many of these people have stigmas attached to them. Parvati, Rob, Tony, Sandra, Kim - just to name a few. And then on the opposite side of the spectrum, people like Michele, Amber, Sophie, Danni could be targeted to kill off the UTR females before they make it too deep and run away with it.

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Espeon
12/20/19 11:11:08 AM
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I was bad at phrasing with some of my justification for Ben/Tyson/Jeremy. This is a season of tough, Type-A personalities, and I can only imagine them butting heads. Ben/Jeremy/Tyson are all alpha male leader types, so I feel like theyll take each other out. Wendell and Yul are the two personalities quiet and diplomatic enough to behave as betas and stay under the radar.

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FBike1
12/20/19 11:14:00 AM
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Espeon posted...
You can already count out the ten female winners. Survivor isnt designed for women to win anymore.
That's a bit of a hot take, especially with so many of the men having obvious targets on their back.

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Espeon
12/20/19 11:20:18 AM
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FBike1 posted...
That's a bit of a hot take, especially with so many of the men having obvious targets on their back.

Until a woman actually wins again, I see no reason to get my hopes up about a female winner.

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Mewtwo59
12/20/19 11:25:07 AM
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I think it's silly to say Ethan can't win modern Survivor when we just had a guy win without any advantages solely on his social game. If anything, Tommy proved that Ethan can win in this era.

And I disagree about Jeremy taking out the other alpha males. His whole strategy in Cambodia was to keep them around as shields. It worked for him then, so I don't see why he'd change it up.
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Espeon
12/20/19 11:28:02 AM
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Mewtwo59 posted...
I think it's silly to say Ethan can't win modern Survivor when we just had a guy win without any advantages solely on his social game. If anything, Tommy proved that Ethan can win in this era.

Its not about advantages. Its more that I think the style of game has gotten so much faster and more volatile than it was in Africa/All-Stars. Yes, Tommy won on his social game. BUT, Tommy also had to navigate the chaos of modern Survivor, and tailor his game to that. I dont know if Ethan is prepared for this.

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Surskit
12/20/19 11:35:35 AM
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I'm not counting Ethan out entirely (raise your hand if you thought Amber or Sandra would win their respective All-Stars seasons, lol), I just think he might have a harder time doing it. I could actually see him making it far just because he's such an agreeable presence, although I wonder how well he will fare as far as pre-game connections are concerned. The only people I'm basically positive are in an impossible situation are Sandra and Michele. I think modern Survivor loves the more game-aware players who can use the buzzwords and prop themselves up to sound impressive, and I have little hope Ethan would be able to do that (but then again, the very story of an old school player like Ethan successfully adapting to the game well enough to make it to the end would be very impressive). Tommy had the good fortune of being against Noura and Dean; Ethan's competition here are people who come with the default respect of having won the game in the first place.

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SavageInTheBox
12/20/19 1:50:39 PM
#23:


Oh gross they're bringing back EoE? I'm cool with players getting back in the game and I understand EoE lets them keep the ratings grabbers on screen as long as possible, but the twist was such a dud.

I'm also kind of surprised people think Michele is drawing dead. Maybe she doesn't have a chance to win FTC unless she is against some very specific archetypes, but she feels like a lock to get deep into the game to me. She's not a burden in the tribe based challenges where she would be voted out early, and once she gets into the individual portion of the game, who's voting out a cute girl who is fun to have around when so many huge threats exist?

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Surskit
12/20/19 3:02:47 PM
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I'm discussing her chances of winning, not her chances of making it deep or even F3. I think she's a fantastic social player and she is very self-aware. I simply do not see a scenario in which a gigantic jury (which might end up being the complete cast unless someone quits EoE) chooses to reward the person who has been branded by the fanbase and production as being a complete mistake with the title of the winner among winners. She will not suddenly decide to play a super flashy game; she's a lot more subtle than that.

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SavageInTheBox
12/20/19 3:23:16 PM
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I guess I hadn't considered the egos of the people playing. I feel like if she somehow made it to the final with some combo of people like Sarah, Sophie, Adam etc (which seems possible after the Game Changers final 3) she could be the best liked and win.

You don't think the jury would respect her making it to the end again and proving she wasn't "a mistake"?

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Underleveled
12/20/19 3:38:22 PM
#26:


I don't foresee anyone quitting/declining EoE.

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SavageInTheBox
12/20/19 3:47:48 PM
#27:


I'm gonna make a random prediction and say Amber dramatically quits EoE to "go take care of the kids" and fuel Rob's story

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Peridiam
12/20/19 3:55:31 PM
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There's also a twist called "fire tokens" that make a brief appearance in the promo. I think they're a form of currency that assist players on the Edge, they can cash them in for amenities/advantages. The promo shows something about "pillow/blankets" costing like 4 tokens.

I'm fairly certain the advantages can also be gifted to players in the main game.

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SavageInTheBox
12/20/19 4:04:05 PM
#29:


Any arrangements to be on RHAP this season?

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Peridiam
12/20/19 4:57:38 PM
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Underleveled
12/20/19 7:37:00 PM
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I was planning on doing a TAR ranking over on CTS after I finished rewatching the series but I am continuously reminded how much it amazes me how some people over there can even function in the real world they are so Goddamn sensitive of anything that even bears a shadow of political incorrectness and so fucking protective of their opinions. I think I'll just drop the raw list here where I can at least take the "holy shit _____ are so bad how do you have them high" or "um, okay ______ are amazing but whatever" without getting death threats.

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Underleveled
12/20/19 7:45:51 PM
#32:


Oh, and I rewatched the trailer for S40 and the tribe division is clearly shown.

Red:
Amber, Kim, Nick, Sandra, Sarah, Sophie, Tony, Tyson, Wendell, Yul

Blue:
Adam, Ben, Danni, Denise, Ethan, Jeremy, Michele, Natalie, Parvati, Rob

Sorry for the format. GameFAQs now considers space breaks within spoiler lists to be separate spoilers.

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Pokewars
12/21/19 1:31:11 AM
#33:


Guess no one who really cares about different aspects of the story and already makes their mind up about stuff saw this (but really this is b8 that's a huge ask):

https://people.com/tv/survivors-dan-spilo-breaks-silence-on-his-behavior-on-the-show-i-am-deeply-sorry/

And everyone's fave Noura weighing in:

https://www.tmz.com/2019/12/18/survivor-contestants-noura-janet-good-with-dan-spilo/

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GTM
12/21/19 1:57:49 AM
#34:


It was mentioned by someone in the last topic that dan apologized

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Pokewars
12/21/19 2:01:34 AM
#35:


But was it mentioned that the reason he got removed was apparently from an accident on a slippery boat?

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GTM
12/21/19 2:15:50 AM
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Yeah it was mentioned when people here were speculating what happened after the 2nd last episode

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CoolCly
12/21/19 3:44:54 AM
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Just saw the finale, really enjoyed it. All the best things about Noura were on full display here. I loved when she betrayed Lauren and put her up to make fire, and then hung around her pestering her with comments about how she wanted to be supportive about lauren, and then starts talking about taking the hatchets, and then somehow says "I don't know why you are so mad at me Lauren I'm giving you everything you want" and Lauren is just like "you just threatened to steal the hatchets this is CRAZY"

great stuff

Also loved Tommy training Dean to defeat Lauren. "I taught Lauren to make fire wrong. As a joke.".

Final tribal council was awesome, a lot of great discussion going on in every direction. When it rains it pours.

I thought Jeff did a phenomenal job in his interview with Kelley. He was upfront about basically anything we could have wanted him to, and gave Kelley as much opportunity to speak whatever she wanted. she was very nervous so he did his best to enable her and give her places to go in the conversation, and further elaborated on what was going on behind the scenes whenever Kelley wanted to know something or when it seemed helpful to the conversation. Kelley herself obviously had a hard time being in that position but good for her for saying what she felt she had to say.

Don't know why I saw people hating on how Jeff handled that - I don't know what else you could have been looking for besides just not wanting to hear about the situation.

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CoolCly
12/21/19 3:47:47 AM
#38:


Also it's astonishing that people like Pokewars can be directly shown exactly what was happening all season long but still be determined to minimize it or dismiss it as a witchhunt or made up or whatever.

The final incident wasn't directly on camera so it just must have been the slippery boat, there's no way to know for sure so it must not have happened!

I guess this is what makes reality TV so good. Really shows us what people are like in every capacity.

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Pokewars
12/21/19 4:57:10 AM
#39:


What was shown on TV? Some clips of Dan getting in the comfort zone of others. Ok, not cool.

But you're fed whatever CBS gives you. For such enlightened people here talking about "the editing" trying to figure out who wins, somehow that's not applied to the question "just what is being shown and not being shown to cover CBS's ass?"

Again, I don't know what happened, but apparently there's more to the story than people making Dan out to be most evil person in history. I love how reactionaries took over the world and there can't be even the slightest hint of two sides to every story.

Good read for people who don't immediately dismiss who it's coming from because of their own outrage:

https://jeffvarner.blogspot.com/?m=1


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The Mana Sword
12/21/19 5:12:28 AM
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Pokewars
12/21/19 5:28:54 AM
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The Mana Sword posted...
lmao

Words of a true scholar, right here folks.

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Underleveled
12/21/19 5:54:06 AM
#42:


What Dan did wrong was continue to touch other people after they told him to stop. You see people cuddling and putting their arms around each other all the time on Survivor. Dan was getting too uncomfortable, was asked to stop, and didn't. And it required special intervention. So when something else happens later in the game, accident or not, they aren't going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

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Inviso
12/21/19 9:44:02 AM
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I could buy that Dan was being unfairly maligned and falsely edited and the whole controversy was overblown IF the show had given us the feel-good Dan boot at the merge. In that instance, I could see them building up actions as creepier than perhaps they really were, to give the audience a feel good episode where the heroes triumph over a villain. Hell, they likely would've spent the entire pre-merge building Dan up as horribly, to make the audience cheer when the players did the morally-righteous thing and got rid of him. But that's not what happened.

Instead, the villain survived and lasted all the way to the final six before getting ejected. And outside of the premiere and the merge episode, the show REALLY went out of their way to soften Dan's edit as much as possible, to have him blend into the background among the rest of the cast. That strikes me as the show HAVING to tell the story of Dan's shit, because of the major impact it had on the season, but REALLY wanting to downplay it as much as possible so it didn't become the sole thing the season was remembered for. It didn't work, because obviously. They fucked up handling the matter in a variety of ways. And as a result, Survivor has caught a LOT of backlash. So yeah, I think the event was pretty fairly-portrayed, because it doesn't smell right that the show would embellish THIS kind of incident in the way it was handled.

Seriously, on paper, Kellee and Jamal were not booted for their role in Dan-gate. Tribal council lasts HOURS. I have no doubt the editors could've scrubbed all traces of the Dan controversy from the season if they wanted to. Thus, I don't see why they would falsify a second incident WELL after the merge, just to force attention on Dan and force their hand in terms of how to tell his story.

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Surskit
12/21/19 11:08:27 AM
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Pokewars posted...
https://jeffvarner.blogspot.com/?m=1
I guess his book about how he managed to survive outing a trans person on television didn't sell super well.

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Mewtwo59
12/21/19 1:31:53 PM
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Honestly, even if the boat incident truly wad an accident, I don't care. He should've been given the warning in episode 1 and ejected at the merge, so I just see that as production doing what they should've done a long time ago.
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Naye745
12/22/19 12:38:55 AM
#46:


jeff varner absolutely sucks as a human being and his takes are worth even less than a pile of shit

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Underleveled
12/22/19 12:46:59 AM
#47:


Naye745 posted...
jeff varner absolutely sucks as a human being and his takes are worth even less than a pile of shit
I think this is being a little harsh on him but yeah, Varner isn't exactly the person you want as your most vocal defender.

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Underleveled
12/22/19 1:01:54 PM
#49:


Dead on almost same user said

Merge at 14
Kellee finds 3 idols and goes home with at least one
Elaine is 7th
Dan has an unconvential exit
Janet finds an idol at 6 or 7
Lauren loses fire
TND final 3 Tommy wins

Dean was spoiled to make family visit by someone that knows his family

Jack was spoiled to get in a relationship with an unknown female.

Spoilers from this season. Oddly spoiled season for all-newbies.

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Underleveled
12/25/19 9:02:46 PM
#50:


I got DvG on DVD for Christmas and just finished rewatching the premier and it hit me that, after 36 seasons of cameras not rolling during things like the boat ride back to camp, they missed the moment that resulted in an elimination twice in three seasons (Pat's medivac and Dan's ejection).

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Naye745
12/26/19 1:35:26 AM
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to be fair, i dont think anyone would've wanted to see dan's incident "in action"

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