Board 8 > How could I approach playing old school pokemon again

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Punnyz
12/06/19 5:14:50 PM
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if Money isn't an issue I guess. So lets see here, I played Red and then Platinum.

3ds VC I can get Pokemon Yellow, which I never played. Might be fun to check that out, and you can get all 3 starters and all of the other neat stuff

3ds vc also has classic GSC, maybe I can get Crystal. It has the a plus in which it still has Kanto (though not a robust). And the Celebi event we never got. and I believe the VC makes it easy to transfer my pokes to more recent games

Then theres the remakes

I do already own Leaf Green

and then theres Soul Silver. Is it worth going into those instead?

Then finally the Remakes on Switch. How are those

what would YOU choose

so many different ways to play the same damn thing >_>

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Punnyz
12/06/19 5:15:34 PM
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*How should I approach

dammit

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DeepsPraw
12/06/19 5:18:36 PM
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wait for the Analogue Pocket and play them on that

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Punnyz
12/06/19 5:19:02 PM
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DeepsPraw posted...
wait for the Analogue Pocket and play them on that
but which one

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SaveEstelle
12/06/19 5:19:34 PM
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I'm playing some of the old-school games for the first time this year. I'd never played Platinum, HGSS, or BW2. I tackled BW2 several months back and really enjoyed it, especially as a big fan of the original BW. I'm playing Platinum for the first time right now, actually! And I bit the pricetag bullet and nabbed a copy of HeartGold from your company for like $37 after trade-ins.

For Johto, even as someone who hasn't played HGSS I'd still honestly recommend those instead. The fandom discourse around those is that they're nearly perfect remakes that improve on a ton of things from the original. You can even access the limited time events, including the ones we never got in North America, by using some trick I found. (Haven't tested it yet because I'm not playing those yet though.)

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ChaosTonyV4
12/06/19 5:27:46 PM
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Heart Gold or Soul Silver of course

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INCEPTlON
12/06/19 5:31:52 PM
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Heart Gold or Soul Silver of course


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INCEPTlON
12/06/19 5:32:14 PM
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Soul Silver is my favorite Pokmon game

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HashtagSEP
12/06/19 5:32:20 PM
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Yeah, definitely Heart Gold/Soul Silver. Those are fantastic.

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Heroic Bigpun
12/06/19 5:40:54 PM
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Now I'm curious, what would be the second best. I didn't think the answer would be this overwhelmingly one-sided so far

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HashtagSEP
12/06/19 5:45:35 PM
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HG/SS are the best options for GSC
Fire Red/Leaf Green are the best options for RBY

The remakes on Switch are fine but don't have normal wild battles/focus on the Pokemon Go catching mechanic instead, so while the rest of the experience is fairly close to the original, that's a big difference and mileage will vary.

Honestly I can't recommend the originals over any remakes in any situation, though. The flaws stand out a lot more now than they did when we were kids.

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BlackMageJawa
12/06/19 5:45:58 PM
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Heroic Bigpun posted...
Now I'm curious, what would be the second best. I didn't think the answer would be this overwhelmingly one-sided so far
Pokemon Ultra Violet. FR/LG hack that makes every Gen1/2 Pokemon obtainable in a single game without trading or real-world events, with new locations for some of them to hide out on but otherwise leaving the game as it normally is (ie- no 'hard mode' or edgy 'jokes' like so many other hacks). Although obviously going that route would be bad and wrong.

Sidenote- when I bought a pre-owned N3DSXL, it still had Pokemon Silver available to 're'-download, and I was really annoyed at whoever owned it before because why would you <i>not</i> buy Crystal?

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Reg
12/06/19 5:48:52 PM
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HG/SS are definitely better than the original Gen 2. FR/LG are objectively improvements on R/B/Y too, but there's a bit of charm to how fucking stupid Gen 1 is in a lot of ways and a case to be made for playing that if you never have before. And if you're interested in migrating pokemon to the newer games, the VC remakes of both gens are arguably better for acquiring things (Celibi event and more usable glitches for that) than the remakes.

No comment on OR/AS vs R/S/E because I've never played the remakes and have no idea how good they actually are.
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Nova4554
12/06/19 5:49:28 PM
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Heart Gold or Soul Silver of course

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MrGreenonion
12/06/19 5:55:08 PM
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BlackMageJawa posted...
Pokemon Ultra Violet. FR/LG hack that makes every Gen1/2 Pokemon obtainable in a single game without trading or real-world events, with new locations for some of them to hide out on but otherwise leaving the game as it normally is (ie- no 'hard mode' or edgy 'jokes' like so many other hacks). Although obviously going that route would be bad and wrong.

Sidenote- when I bought a pre-owned N3DSXL, it still had Pokemon Silver available to 're'-download, and I was really annoyed at whoever owned it before because why would you <i>not</i> buy Crystal?
And if you have a GBA Ever Drive or similar device, you can transfer pokeys from these hacked games to modern games by trading to a legit Gen 3 cartridge and doing the chain of generational transfers.

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Whiskey_Nick
12/06/19 5:55:56 PM
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Soul Silver

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Heroic Bigpun
12/06/19 6:08:50 PM
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You can do the mew glitch in yellow right?

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mnkboy907
12/06/19 6:16:52 PM
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Talking about DS games as old-school makes me feel so old all of a sudden.

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StifledSilence
12/06/19 6:25:26 PM
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RBY and GSC on 3DS was fun. You can even use Pokmon Bank to use your teams in Sun and Moon afterwards if you want.

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Reg
12/06/19 6:30:20 PM
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Heroic Bigpun posted...
You can do the mew glitch in yellow right?
Yes, which is why I explicitly recommended the VC versions over the remakes if your goal was to max out a Pokedex

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RyoCaliente
12/06/19 8:26:24 PM
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I'm playing HG right now and I'm so shocked how many amazing things they added while staying true to the feel and quality of the original. I mean, for pure nostalgia obviously you need those GBC graphics but really, the only reason not to buy HG/SS is because they're $$$

I personally don't like FR/LG and would actually recommend Gen I over them, although Gen I is a broken mess for several reasons.

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SantaRPidgey
12/06/19 9:08:36 PM
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Yeah its a shame that Kanto really never got a decent remake (unless you count hg/ss)

B/W and B/W 2 are where pokemon peaked as a series so I recommend that, but hg/ss is also great and a little slower so play those first because its hard to go back to them.


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SaveEstelle
12/06/19 9:26:40 PM
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So why do some folks not care for FRLG as much?

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LadyVyxx
12/06/19 9:33:02 PM
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Emerald is by far the best one so that gets my vote
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SantaRPidgey
12/06/19 9:53:54 PM
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SaveEstelle posted...
So why do some folks not care for FRLG as much?

Locks out features from current gen, like eggs and non-kanto pokemon until post game, disturbingly tutorial heavy. Sevii islands is basically busywork.

while the originals have things like missingno and mew and better artwork for the pokemon, there's really no reason to play the remake in this day and age unless you're trying to transfer pokemon to a modern cartridge or if you've hacked the new pokemon into it.

fr/lg had the best pokedex layout ever made though. Very typical of game freak to do one thing right once and then never again.

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SwiftyDC
12/06/19 10:06:39 PM
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If you have the money to spend, buy a 3DS with all of the games on it.

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mnkboy907
12/06/19 10:13:26 PM
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FR/LG are in a weird spot where they're also super outdated compared to modern day, so if you're going to play an outdated game anyway, I guess you might as well play the original and have fun with all the glitches and whatnot.

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SantaRPidgey
12/06/19 10:20:41 PM
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SantaRPidgey posted...
there's really no reason to play the remake in this day and age unless you're trying to transfer pokemon to a modern cartridge

Oh I just realized, its easier to transfer pokemon from r/b/y than from fr/lg now

So yeah

Almost no reason at all to play the remake in its pure unhacked form

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Heroic Bigpun
12/06/19 10:34:43 PM
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This is a stretch but are there shinies the gba ones?

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Team Rocket Elite
12/06/19 10:38:28 PM
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Yes. Shiny Pokemon are in every game except RBY and even RBY Pokemon can be shiny if traded to another game.
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HashtagSEP
12/06/19 10:40:42 PM
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How is No eggs or non Kanto Pokmon somehow a reason to play RBY over FR/LG?

FR/LG is objectively an improvement. The only reason to play RBY is to take advantage of them being a glitchy mess, but then that requires suffering through Gen 1s shortcomings for the rest of the game.

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SaveEstelle
12/06/19 10:49:16 PM
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SantaRPidgey posted...
Oh I just realized, its easier to transfer pokemon from r/b/y than from fr/lg now

Man, that's crazy. What an age we live in

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Team Rocket Elite
12/06/19 10:53:17 PM
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RBY Glitches are worth it, though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCoQm8bIyyw&t=1480
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SaveEstelle
12/06/19 10:58:35 PM
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@mnkboy907 I just made a thread kinda sorta about this RBY/FRLG thing over on Era btw, lol

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SantaRPidgey
12/06/19 11:09:15 PM
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HashtagSEP posted...
How is No eggs or non Kanto Pokmon somehow a reason to play RBY over FR/LG?

FR/LG is objectively an improvement. The only reason to play RBY is to take advantage of them being a glitchy mess, but then that requires suffering through Gen 1s shortcomings for the rest of the game.

What shortcomings?

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Team Rocket Elite
12/06/19 11:16:14 PM
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RBY has a lot of things that don't quite work. Like the messages regarding whether an attack is super effective or not is wrong a lot of the time. Box system is clunky and you can get caught with a box full when you want to catch a Pokemon. If you don't cheat, TMs are very limited resource. The game doesn't tell you what any of the moves do which is an issue if you don't already know what all the moves do. That combos with HMs being able to permanently ruin a Pokemon's moveset.
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MariaTaylor
12/07/19 12:28:20 AM
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if rom hacking is an option, I strongly recommend Crystal Clear

really that goes for anyone who happens to be reading this topic and hasn't played it yet

it's basically a soft 'open world' pokemon style game based on kanto and johto, using the pokemon crystal cartridge. you can choose to start in kanto or johto, there's lots of options for your character sprite as well as your starter (all kanto/johto starters, all of the baby pokemon, some others -- I picked vulpix as my starter). all of the forced team rocket stuff and other storylines that just slow down the game are removed. HM locking is gone. all areas can now be accessed at any point in the game. the levels of wild pokemon are dependent on the area, however, so going to some areas will be more dangerous. the gyms can be played in any order -- they scale to the number of badges you currently possess. you can re-challenge gyms in order to grind for EXP or money. trainers in the world also scale based on your badges. they've added some legit challenging trainers into the regular world exploration -- with teams of pokemon that have competitive movesets and stats.

probably some other great features I'm forgetting to mention. it really does basically everything right. I personally just love how I can essentially play pokemon RBY, but with all of the gen 2 stuff added, and not have to go through silph co. for the 50th time. it's a great option whenever you want to play some classic pokemon just for the sake of nostalgia.


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MariaTaylor
12/07/19 12:31:39 AM
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and by no HM locking I mean this -- you can get your starter from Oak and then immediately go south to cinnabar island by walking along an added path.. there is still water, you CAN still surf, but it's not mandatory to get there.


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StealThisSheen
12/07/19 12:57:59 AM
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SantaRPidgey posted...
What shortcomings?


Team Rocket Elite posted...
RBY has a lot of things that don't quite work. Like the messages regarding whether an attack is super effective or not is wrong a lot of the time. Box system is clunky and you can get caught with a box full when you want to catch a Pokemon. If you don't cheat, TMs are very limited resource. The game doesn't tell you what any of the moves do which is an issue if you don't already know what all the moves do. That combos with HMs being able to permanently ruin a Pokemon's moveset.

All of this, as well as painfully shallow movepools, the special stats being one stat which made OP Pokemon more OP and terrible Pokemon more terrible, Psychic type being OP, critical hits being tied to speed meaning slow Pokemon were objectively worse, moves like Rage, Fly, Dig, Focus Energy and others being broken/glitched, status effects being glitched or too easily abused, item bag limit, 100% accuracy moves being able to miss due to bad coding, moves like Wrap being able to be used infinitely with no chance to respond, etc. etc.

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SantaRPidgey
12/07/19 2:03:08 AM
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Yeah except theres not a single pokemon in any pokemon game thats not OP, so if youre not playing it competitively theres really no big deal about not knowing what moves do what, since you can beat the game with a weedle's poison sting. None of those problems are actual issues for a single player playthrough.

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Team Rocket Elite
12/07/19 2:14:31 AM
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I wouldn't say they aren't issues. The problems aren't game killers by any means but they are inconvenient.
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StealThisSheen
12/07/19 2:38:12 AM
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I mean, yeah, it's not really game breaking, but they are things that can add up to make the game less enjoyable, so it's like... Why deal with them if you don't have to, unless you're just really into the glitches?

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StealThisSheen
12/07/19 2:57:43 AM
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Also, for my money, being told you can't catch a Pokemon because your box is full, especially if it's a rare one, is one of the most infuriating things in the entire series.

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Mewtwo59
12/07/19 3:00:32 AM
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I can't believe it took them 3 gens to fix that. At least in Gen 2 you could get Bill's number and he'd tell you when the box was full.

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ffmasterjose
12/07/19 3:16:54 AM
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Been playing through Crystal on 3DS and have been having a blast!

So dumb how there's no online trading or battling. It's in there but it's only local to local. So its essentially like the game link cable days. If I ever want to evolve my Graveler I gotta have my friend come over with their 3DS and game.

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SantaRPidgey
12/07/19 3:19:50 AM
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StealThisSheen posted...
I mean, yeah, it's not really game breaking, but they are things that can add up to make the game less enjoyable, so it's like... Why deal with them if you don't have to, unless you're just really into the glitches?

Like I mentioned before, no tutorials, faster gameplay, more aesthetically pleasing pokemon sprites.

To be clear its not like I hate fr/lg, its just a huge shame that every kanto remake has been incredibly flawed while not offering any improvments on the original game. Like you can get a gba version of pokemon crystal thats just a fan made romhack, and it offers the same amount of advancement (if not more)that fr/lg have.

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Team Rocket Elite
12/07/19 10:33:07 AM
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Mewtwo59 posted...
I can't believe it took them 3 gens to fix that. At least in Gen 2 you could get Bill's number and he'd tell you when the box was full.


I imagine it was due to technical limitations. The game forced you to save every time you switched boxes in Gen 1 and there had to be a reason behind that.
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NFUN
12/07/19 11:27:52 AM
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instead of playing RBY watch https://www.youtube.com/user/TheZZAZZGlitch/

start with emerald

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