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handsomeboy2012
12/10/19 11:57:08 AM
#51:


That was a long section, phew
A brief summary of what I think before moving on
-Erika is incredibly dirty
-Battler is incredibly idiotic, not because he can't think of a solution, but because he keeps getting goaded into doing what Erika wants
-It's still BS that Battler lost from something he had no idea happened
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handsomeboy2012
12/10/19 12:18:27 PM
#52:


A hint for solving that locked room is the 'miracle of love'
Hachijo - no, Ryukishi07 right? That's the author of Higarushi and Umineko - wants Ange, I mean, me, to think of an answer before moving on.

Sure thing. Don't have the time or patience to go through everything that's happened so I won't get anywhere close, but I will give it a try later, I think

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handsomeboy2012
12/10/19 12:34:49 PM
#53:


Some exposition about Bernkatsel's past as a piece. Didn't Lambda once mentioning trapping Bern, could she be that game master?
Whatever. She can go fuck herself, who cares about her sob story
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handsomeboy2012
12/10/19 12:55:50 PM
#54:


Lambdas comments on bullies are spot on.

Erika gets NTRed. She is then given power. What does she do with this power? She NTRs Beatrice.

...what is she even planning to do with Battlers half-dead body. That sounds borderline necrophilia.
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handsomeboy2012
12/11/19 8:52:16 AM
#55:


Without love it cannot be seen, miracles, blah blah blah
The hint is to watch Shannon and Kanon duel. No running away, placing faith in others, strong resolve, etc. I don't think that is enough to escape the room.

The number 19.
Battler's birth or it's circumstances might have something to do with setting these events into motion?
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handsomeboy2012
12/11/19 8:58:12 AM
#56:


Kanon and Shannon's... father... and sin... they're talking cryptically again. There's a reason that one of them must die. My brain isn't working very well now.
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handsomeboy2012
12/11/19 9:27:17 AM
#57:


Are they done giving hints now? I'll give it a go then.

The keyword here is 'love'. Love is between people, hence Battler needs other people to help him escape. There's confirmed to be 18 people on the island, but then the number 19 is supposed to be significant... is there another Kinzo situation where one of them is already dead when the game started and someone else was walking free? No, the red truth says 'everyone else' is sealed in a room.

Let's do another head count. Battler, 5 dead people, the others sealed in the rooms. Wait, I forgot to count Erika. She isn't dead or sealed away. She is fully capable of helping Battler escape, if you ignore why she would do such a thing. No, she is already in the room when Battler could leave, and she never hid herself...

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handsomeboy2012
12/11/19 9:30:51 AM
#58:


Moreover, those sealed rooms in the guesthouse where the remaining people are, is breaking the tape the ONLY way to leave? I don't recall them giving specifics about those rooms, as long as there is a way for those people to leave without touching those seals, Battler's closed room won't matter at all
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handsomeboy2012
12/11/19 9:38:04 AM
#59:


But those are sealed, it had a red truth. Damn, none of this is working, I'll continue reading

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handsomeboy2012
12/11/19 9:42:56 AM
#60:


For once, I am on the right track! And they're kind enough to reconstruct the room.
Dlanor is wearing glasses. Take it off, I like it more when you're not wearing it
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handsomeboy2012
12/11/19 9:48:43 AM
#61:


I got hit by a sudden revelation that Dlanor spelled backwards is Ronald. Amazing.
Doesn't mean anything at all. Probably.
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handsomeboy2012
12/11/19 10:05:37 AM
#62:


Ronove says that rooms sealed by packing tape aren't impossible to break. I had always assumed it is perfect. But there are plenty of ways to leave without touching the tape. For instance, they have guns, shoot through the wooden door and leave through the hole.
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handsomeboy2012
12/11/19 10:07:43 AM
#63:


Still, the doors are clearly intact when they were checked.
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Dels
12/11/19 10:12:05 AM
#64:


handsomeboy2012 posted...
I got hit by a sudden revelation that Dlanor spelled backwards is Ronald. Amazing.
Doesn't mean anything at all. Probably.

ugh. he doesn't realize that what he just said literally solves the entire game. if only he'd think about what it means for another moment.
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Dels
12/11/19 10:12:15 AM
#65:


oops, that was meant for the theatregoing topic. my bad. ignore.
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handsomeboy2012
12/11/19 10:19:02 AM
#66:


It was the windows that were never checked. This looks way to simple to be true.
Dlanor has a strange expression. I can't tell what emotion is that supposed to convey. And she refuses to use red...
Hold it right there, is this really Dlanor I'm looking at here?
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handsomeboy2012
12/11/19 10:27:49 AM
#67:


I saw post #65 and managed to avoid reading #64, if it's for the theatregoing topic then wouldn't it be a spoiler? You probably should delete that
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handsomeboy2012
12/11/19 10:37:15 AM
#68:


The window seals are intact, nothing out of the ordinary then
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Tom Bombadil
12/11/19 10:39:23 AM
#69:


handsomeboy2012 posted...
I saw post #65 and managed to avoid reading #64, if it's for the theatregoing topic then wouldn't it be a spoiler? You probably should delete that

it was joke

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handsomeboy2012
12/11/19 10:47:10 AM
#70:


They won't respond to the claim that the other room's window seal is broken and tell Gaap to go through the bureaucracy. I know how it feels to wait for government departments to do... anything at all.
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handsomeboy2012
12/11/19 10:58:13 AM
#71:


What do you mean, that argument is not allowed, this reeks of corruption and rigged games
Something to do with Beatrice's heart.
Ok I'm done thinking. I want to know what big riddle this is right now.
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handsomeboy2012
12/11/19 11:05:30 AM
#72:


I wasn't expecting yet another climax after the locked-room debate earlier, thought it would be placed in the Tea Party or ????
Time for Beatrice to crash this wedding
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handsomeboy2012
12/11/19 11:10:57 AM
#73:


Beatrice heart is part of the trick. I bet this will involve the game rules somehow.
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handsomeboy2012
12/11/19 11:28:27 AM
#74:


I can't fathom why Erika is so keen on doing all this to Battler as if he killed his whole family. Villains who are ridiculously evil like this are never my favourite.
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handsomeboy2012
12/12/19 8:47:49 AM
#75:


Even if Battler escapes that room he will be controlled, he has done nothing to warrant this 'punishment'.
This is a world where losing a chess game will get you enslaved for eternity. Not somewhere I would ever want to set foot in.

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handsomeboy2012
12/12/19 9:04:54 AM
#76:


Here's this talk about furniture again. If magic is all tricks, then 'sub-Human' must be some sort of representation for people of low status. Setting this aside, why does killing your opponent make a sub-Human become human, do you steal their soul?
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handsomeboy2012
12/12/19 9:11:14 AM
#77:


This duel is such a big deal but... whoever wins or loses, they're all going to come back next episode as pieces, as if nothing had happened.
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handsomeboy2012
12/12/19 9:20:10 AM
#78:


They said that Beatrice was incomplete like Shannon and Kanon. The miracle of love can make an incomplete soul complete.
Does that mean to solve the locked room and save Battler, Beatrice must 'become human'?
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handsomeboy2012
12/12/19 9:34:59 AM
#79:


If you are going to participate in a game, a trial, or a competition in this magical universe, you better make sure you understand the rules 100% before starting to avoid dying, disappearing, enslaved, or worse. The organizers love to withhold crucial information.
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handsomeboy2012
12/12/19 10:11:26 AM
#80:


'Mother'
Someone, something told Beatrice, to become the type of person Battler likes, and take that someone's place.
Beatrice was no longer a 'ghost', she became the master of Rokkenjima/Golden witch
Battler made a promise.
Their souls split

Multiple Beatrices maybe?
Some character I haven't met yet?
I am confused
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handsomeboy2012
12/12/19 10:29:06 AM
#81:


Kanon told Beatrice to make another closed room. And just like that, she starts to remember.
Is it me or is this episode longer than the others
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handsomeboy2012
12/12/19 10:37:31 AM
#82:


The solution to Battler's locked room is Kanon escaping from another locked room. Who would have thought it.
For real, there are so many riddles and puzzles and almost none have an conventional answer.
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handsomeboy2012
12/12/19 10:41:23 AM
#83:


Actually it does make sense, because Kanon disappearing would make that not a closed room at all, and Battler can be saved.
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handsomeboy2012
12/12/19 10:51:56 AM
#84:


Ever since the death of the old Beatrice and the birth of a completely different new Beatrice, I wasn't sure which I liked better. Now it's clear that the old one is better. I almost cheered out when she held out her pipe and laughed.
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handsomeboy2012
12/12/19 11:01:18 AM
#85:


Beatrice is charging toward Erika and some generic orchestral music is playing in the background. This might be the first time I feel the music doesn't fit at all.
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handsomeboy2012
12/12/19 11:33:07 AM
#86:


RIP Kanon until the next game. Pieces always have a hard life.
My opinion on him has raised a bit. At least, I don't think he is a 'bad' character now.
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handsomeboy2012
12/12/19 11:39:37 AM
#87:


Ronald is way too nice, Erika doesn't deserve it. AT ALL
I mean, Dlanor. Ahem.
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handsomeboy2012
12/13/19 8:38:38 AM
#88:


The duel begins

Not this name changing shenanigans again. I find it difficult to follow this kind of logic for some reason.
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handsomeboy2012
12/13/19 9:01:30 AM
#89:


Beatrice is so good at this, in comparison Battler is very much an amateur. I'm confident that she will win even with giving Erika a couple of chances.

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handsomeboy2012
12/13/19 9:09:33 AM
#90:


Storywise, it would make the most sense that Beatrice is going to defeat Erika, save Battler and take back the game board. That got me thinking what the last 2 episodes will be about because the bad guys will be gone.

Conversely it will be a big shock if Beatrice loses, they can't come back from that.
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handsomeboy2012
12/13/19 9:16:22 AM
#91:


Great, let's ignore the whole trick of Kanon escaping and forget about it for the rest of the game like the rest of the riddles.

Next is Battler's room. Saving Battler is trivial, but Beatrice is going to have a trick up her sleeve too right?
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handsomeboy2012
12/13/19 9:21:28 AM
#92:


FYI, I usually think ahead whenever these red and blue duels/fights/debates come up.
A lot of times it just looks as if like I'm reiterating the story if my thoughts match.
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handsomeboy2012
12/13/19 9:42:08 AM
#93:


Beatrice really loves her wordplay. This requires me to copy down every red sentence because I don't know when they will become important in the story, so the chances of me solving such a riddle is low.
Some of them are given now about Battler's room - shit, they're way too long and I don't want to copy so many.

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handsomeboy2012
12/13/19 9:55:30 AM
#94:


Only Erika and Kanon entered the guest room
Only Battler left the room - certainly 3 'bodies' and no name changes
Erika did not rescue Battler, that is, to reset the chain lock after Battler unset it

There is very little wiggle room here.
I can think of an alternative version of events where more were with Kanon when he went to save Battler. However, that person doesn't do anything other than stand outside the room, serving no purpose at all.
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handsomeboy2012
12/13/19 10:05:29 AM
#95:


Can Erika be the one to rescue Kanon? She was in the room, unset the chain lock while Kanon was in the closet, then set it again when Kanon left...

I'm sure I'm wrong. And it's like I'm taking Erika's side when I try to solve this.
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handsomeboy2012
12/13/19 10:07:55 AM
#96:


Beatrice refused to say Kanon is in the closet. Can Kanon be, say, in the bedroom of bathroom, and Erika just happened to miss him?
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handsomeboy2012
12/13/19 10:16:23 AM
#97:


That was a good one, Kanon can be in either the closet or bedroom and both would be correct.
What if... there's one more truth? After Erika checked the bathroom, she went back into the bedroom, and Kanon went into the bathroom without her noticing. So a Triple Checkmate.

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handsomeboy2012
12/13/19 10:19:38 AM
#98:


The true nature of this world - Multiple truths.
Shit. This can mean that all the last 5 games can have as many solutions as you want. Doesn't look good if I want to know what happened without no magic.
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handsomeboy2012
12/13/19 10:30:00 AM
#99:


He's not even in the bathroom, or the whole guest house for that matter.
What the fuck. I give up.
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handsomeboy2012
12/13/19 10:34:21 AM
#100:


The old Beatrice and new Beatrice (who seem to have 'become one') are voiced by the same person right?
I know that Japanese VAs are capable of a wide range of voices, but a confirmation would be great
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