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Frolex
12/04/19 12:23:19 AM
#302:


Broseph_Stalin posted...

lol evidence to the contrary

Hint: there would be a lot more worker owned businesses if they were more productive


https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0143831X06069019
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2553878?seq=1
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0147596787900400
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/001979399504900104

do you have anything that debunks the findings of these papers?
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Paper_Okami
12/04/19 12:24:36 AM
#303:


Solid Snake07 posted...
So sure, go against that, I'm sure you know better than every other human that's ever lived you fucking psycho


you the fucking one who claimed you know better than everyone else you dipshit

Solid Snake07 posted...
No, next


why does the u.s continue to do it then?
Solid Snake07 posted...
Let the record show I asked for one single example in all of human history what system has worked better than capitalism and nothing has been proposed.


if hundreds and hundreds of millions of people are still in poverty it's not fucking good enough
capitalism is literally the fucking cause behind climate change
it's fucking killing the planet and that's a fucking fact

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averagejoel
12/04/19 12:35:10 AM
#304:


setting aside, for the moment, the fact that "better" is such an extremely vague parameter that you could basically call any economic system "better" than another for any number of reasons:

whether or not "better" economic systems have existed in the past has no bearing on whether or not they can exist in the future
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averagejoel
12/04/19 12:37:12 AM
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Hairistotle posted...
Broseph_Stalin posted...
Joel was shocked to find that soviet agricultural production was inefficient and believes farmers killed during the Holodomor brought it upon themselves so be sure to take nothing he says seriously

no one has any reason to believe you, a known troublemaker

he's a little bit flustered after I dismantled him in another topic, so his lies about me are particularly numerous as of late
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Broseph_Stalin
12/04/19 12:44:28 AM
#308:


Hairistotle posted...
no one has any reason to believe you, a known troublemaker


everyone knows joel is a diehard tankie dude, even socialist have called him out on it

https://i.imgur.com/ABf8TD1.png

find something better to do with your time than defend mass murder
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Broseph_Stalin
12/04/19 12:48:16 AM
#310:


Hairistotle posted...
if you wish to change the subject to averagejoel's post history you're free to make a topic doing so


...you responded to me first. You said no one has reason to believe me. I posted proof. Now you're mad because you decided to defend a genocide denier lmao
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averagejoel
12/04/19 12:51:44 AM
#311:


is BS having a melty now? I have him blocked
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Broseph_Stalin
12/04/19 12:59:14 AM
#313:


Hairistotle posted...
Yes he's trying to derail the thread via changing the subject to how evil you are


You had no problem talking about Joel when you thought I was lying, you're just embarrassed that you defended someone like him. Tell me more about how I don't engage in good faith though.

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hockeybub89
12/04/19 1:58:11 AM
#314:


Broseph_Stalin posted...
no one is starving in america dude
Yes they are. There are really poor people too. Sometimes they're even homeless!

Sure, they are better off than in wartorn third world African nations or communist regimes, but there is plenty of suffering in America. You could say that America and its capitalism may be currently failing some people. One could say America could improve and stand for some chang/improvement. Even many of us who are not literally suffering could benefit from some change

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StealthRock
12/04/19 5:17:23 AM
#315:


Paper_Okami posted...
Solid Snake07 posted...
So sure, go against that, I'm sure you know better than every other human that's ever lived you fucking psycho


you the fucking one who claimed you know better than everyone else you dipshit

Solid Snake07 posted...
No, next


why does the u.s continue to do it then?
Solid Snake07 posted...
Let the record show I asked for one single example in all of human history what system has worked better than capitalism and nothing has been proposed.


if hundreds and hundreds of millions of people are still in poverty it's not fucking good enough
capitalism is literally the fucking cause behind climate change
it's fucking killing the planet and that's a fucking fact

Climate change is natural

Not to mention, countries that are largely communist arw actually responsible for a majority of emissions
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WarDog2016
12/04/19 5:28:34 AM
#316:


boxington posted...
https://mobile.twitter.com/MarkRuffalo/status/1201176660252475392

He knows that young woke people will go see his movies if he talks like this. It's so transparent.
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Solid Snake07
12/04/19 6:07:27 AM
#317:


Paper_Okami posted...
you the fucking one who claimed you know better than everyone else you dipshit


I claimed to know more than you, not everyone ever. Your inability to see that kind of speaks for itself.

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1337toothbrush
12/04/19 8:13:37 AM
#318:


What a sad topic filled with indoctrinated people who think our economic system is infallible. These same people would probably be praising the USSR and quoting Pravda if they were living under that system. They're gullible people who have too much trust in whatever system they currently live under and can't imagine anything else.
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MarqueeSeries
12/04/19 9:10:54 AM
#319:


StealthRock posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
Solid Snake07 posted...
So sure, go against that, I'm sure you know better than every other human that's ever lived you fucking psycho


you the fucking one who claimed you know better than everyone else you dipshit

Solid Snake07 posted...
No, next


why does the u.s continue to do it then?
Solid Snake07 posted...
Let the record show I asked for one single example in all of human history what system has worked better than capitalism and nothing has been proposed.


if hundreds and hundreds of millions of people are still in poverty it's not fucking good enough
capitalism is literally the fucking cause behind climate change
it's fucking killing the planet and that's a fucking fact

Climate change is natural

Not to mention, countries that are largely communist arw actually responsible for a majority of emissions

If it's natural, is that why Exxon paid to try to cover it up, as early as 1981?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/08/exxon-climate-change-1981-climate-denier-funding?CMP=share_btn_tw
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Rexdragon125
12/04/19 9:18:20 AM
#320:


Climate change is not natural

https://imgur.com/NguDoNr

We observe that radiation from the sun to earth has been overall steady or very slightly decreasing over the past five decades, yet the amount of energy reflected from Earth back to space has been decreasing over that same period. In other words, were seeing clear evidence that our atmosphere is becoming more insulating, decade after decade. This change (less and less energy getting from Earth into space) is very clearly increasing every decade, at least since the beginning of the space age.

Regarding the cause of this increasingly insulating atmosphere, a careful look at the space- and ground-based radiation spectra directly shows the increasing influence of carbon dioxide. For example, outgoing radiation (Earth to space) is decreasing especially at CO2 absorption wavelengths. It is an undeniable fact that we are witnessing an increasing greenhouse effect due to increasing CO2.

Regarding the source of the increasing CO2, nearly all of the recently added and continually rising CO2 in our atmosphere has the isotopic signature of burned fossil fuels (as opposed to e.g., volcanoes). This is totally consistent with our collective emissions of about 40 billion tons of CO2 gas per year (and rising), which is way more than what all volcanoes emit (around 0.3-2% of that amount).
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averagejoel
12/04/19 9:21:12 AM
#321:


StealthRock posted...
Not to mention, countries that are largely communist arw actually responsible for a majority of emissions

per-capita, China's emissions are significantly less than the US
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StealthRock
12/04/19 8:33:39 PM
#322:


MarqueeSeries posted...
If it's natural, is that why Exxon paid to try to cover it up, as early as 1981?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/08/exxon-climate-change-1981-climate-denier-funding?CMP=share_btn_tw
Because its unclear how much humans actually affect the process. However, the actual change of climate is natural and has been occuring since earth's early days. The planet has been through ice ages warm periods for millions of years

And the whole ozone claim has been proven false
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/ozone-hole-was-super-scary-what-happened-it-180957775/


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Rexdragon125
12/04/19 8:36:43 PM
#323:


Nope, this warming is unprecedented and man made

https://imgur.com/NguDoNr

We observe that radiation from the sun to earth has been overall steady or very slightly decreasing over the past five decades, yet the amount of energy reflected from Earth back to space has been decreasing over that same period. In other words, were seeing clear evidence that our atmosphere is becoming more insulating, decade after decade. This change (less and less energy getting from Earth into space) is very clearly increasing every decade, at least since the beginning of the space age.

Regarding the cause of this increasingly insulating atmosphere, a careful look at the space- and ground-based radiation spectra directly shows the increasing influence of carbon dioxide. For example, outgoing radiation (Earth to space) is decreasing especially at CO2 absorption wavelengths. It is an undeniable fact that we are witnessing an increasing greenhouse effect due to increasing CO2.

Regarding the source of the increasing CO2, nearly all of the recently added and continually rising CO2 in our atmosphere has the isotopic signature of burned fossil fuels (as opposed to e.g., volcanoes). This is totally consistent with our collective emissions of about 40 billion tons of CO2 gas per year (and rising), which is way more than what all volcanoes emit (around 0.3-2% of that amount).
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StealthRock
12/04/19 8:37:08 PM
#324:


averagejoel posted...
per-capita, China's emissions are significantly less than the US
China has a lot of rural areas

What are the over all emissions?

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LolTownz
12/04/19 8:40:22 PM
#326:


Just so you all know, averagejoel sided with China in the Hong Kong controversy and ignores China's human rights violations whenever the subject of its death camps comes up

Should tell you enough to understand why he's angling hard for "per capita emissions" instead of looking at numbers that matter, like total emissions.
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averagejoel
12/04/19 8:42:22 PM
#327:


StealthRock posted...
China has a lot of rural areas

What are the over all emissions?
China has about 4 times the population of the US and about 2 times the total carbon footprint.

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averagejoel
12/04/19 8:43:24 PM
#328:


LolTownz posted...
Just so you all know, averagejoel sided with China in the Hong Kong controversy and ignores China's human rights violations whenever the subject of its death camps comes up

Should tell you enough to understand why he's angling hard for "per capita emissions" instead of looking at numbers that matter, like total emissions.
why do per capita emissions not matter?

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Deadpool_18
12/04/19 8:44:41 PM
#329:


Duncanwii posted...
In a socialist system the state owns everything. Do you really want to live in a system like that?


Shut up.

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LolTownz
12/04/19 8:46:01 PM
#330:


averagejoel posted...
why do per capita emissions not matter?


Because the total emissions figure is that much higher. China emits more CO2 than the USA and the EU combined. The USA and the EU could gut their own economies in the name of per capita emissions and not make any progress against climate change because of just China.

Then throw India into the mix and you'll see why total emissions are the valuable metric.
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averagejoel
12/04/19 8:54:07 PM
#331:


LolTownz posted...
Because the total emissions figure is that much higher.
what you are doing here is called the Fallacy of Relative Privation. sometimes called the "appeal to worse problems fallacy"

I suggest you google it before continuing this conversation

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LolTownz
12/04/19 8:56:37 PM
#332:


averagejoel posted...
what you are doing here is called the Fallacy of Relative Privation. sometimes called the "appeal to worse problems fallacy"

I suggest you google it before continuing this conversation


Why is per capita emissions meaningful in the conversation where our per capita emissions could go to 0 and China would still bring about climate change?
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averagejoel
12/04/19 9:03:47 PM
#333:


LolTownz posted...
Why is per capita emissions meaningful in the conversation where our per capita emissions could go to 0 and China would still bring about climate change?
the combination of your username, posting style, and karma vs account creation date, is making it very hard for me to believe that you're not a troll account.

you also still do not show any evidence that you know what the Fallacy of Relative Privation is. until you do, I will assume that you do not want a genuine conversation, and will not engage with you further.

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IShall_Run_Amok
12/04/19 9:04:11 PM
#334:


HellRatUFO posted...
The artist of this comic is a well known neo-Nazi.

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MarqueeSeries
12/05/19 1:31:49 AM
#335:


IShall_Run_Amok posted...
[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

The artist of this comic is a well known neo-Nazi.

Yep

https://youtu.be/XdbwZbK7kGo
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Broseph_Stalin
12/05/19 2:11:19 AM
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uh stonetoss is a legit neo-nazi (and an incel because if you're going to be a loser why not go all out)
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