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p-m 12/03/19 9:03:53 PM #253:	HellRatUFO posted... Who chooses to buy them? I dont feel sorry for primarily white adults that fucked their lives up getting addicted to opioids for the same reasons I dont feel sorry for adults that choose to fuck their body up by eating carb, starch, sugar, vegetable oil drenched garbage in conjunction with zero exercise. Because you lack empathy and decency. <cite>p-m posted [p:931070137] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>HellRatUFO posted... </cite> <quote>Who chooses to buy them? I dont feel sorry for primarily white adults that fucked their lives up getting addicted to opioids for the same reasons I dont feel sorry for adults that choose to fuck their body up by eating carb, starch, sugar, vegetable oil drenched garbage in conjunction with zero exercise.</quote>Because you lack empathy and decency. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Intangible 12/03/19 9:06:47 PM #255:	There's nothing wrong with America becoming self aware. These are growing pains, and people are trying to reconcile what they've always believed with the reality they're actually seeing. Just don't waste your time on those disingenuous types who never discuss things in good faith. You know, the ones that make you respond with, "actually, that's not what I said." And if you're the type who is routinely misconstruing the things others say and/or being ignorant with misplaced sarcasm, you're part of the reason the conversation is dragging ass instead of progressing to the next phase. --- Always bet on yourself. If you won't give yourself a chance, why should anybody else? <cite>Intangible posted [p:931070278] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>There's nothing wrong with America becoming self aware. These are growing pains, and people are trying to reconcile what they've always believed with the reality they're actually seeing. Just don't waste your time on those disingenuous types who never discuss things in good faith. You know, the ones that make you respond with, "actually, that's not what I said." And if you're the type who is routinely misconstruing the things others say and/or being ignorant with misplaced sarcasm, you're part of the reason the conversation is dragging ass instead of progressing to the next phase.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paper_Okami 12/03/19 9:59:00 PM #256:	HellRatUFO posted... Who chooses to buy them? I dont feel sorry for primarily white adults that fucked their lives up getting addicted to opioids for the same reasons I dont feel sorry for adults that choose to fuck their body up by eating carb, starch, sugar, vegetable oil drenched garbage in conjunction with zero exercise. it's so much easier, so simple minded to blame individuals rather than systematic issues. --- "Conceit, arrogance and egotism are the essentials of patriotism"- Emma Goldman "Wimmy Wham Wham Wozzle!" -Slurms MacKenzie <cite>Paper_Okami posted [p:931072445] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>HellRatUFO posted... </cite> <quote>Who chooses to buy them? I dont feel sorry for primarily white adults that fucked their lives up getting addicted to opioids for the same reasons I dont feel sorry for adults that choose to fuck their body up by eating carb, starch, sugar, vegetable oil drenched garbage in conjunction with zero exercise.</quote> it's so much easier, so simple minded to blame individuals rather than systematic issues. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Paper_Okami 12/03/19 10:33:40 PM #258:	it is extremely stupid to simply blame individuals and ignore systematic reasons for the way things are. --- "Conceit, arrogance and egotism are the essentials of patriotism"- Emma Goldman "Wimmy Wham Wham Wozzle!" -Slurms MacKenzie <cite>Paper_Okami posted [p:931073818] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>it is extremely stupid to simply blame individuals and ignore systematic reasons for the way things are. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Frolex 12/03/19 10:43:24 PM #260:	HellRatUFO posted... Cool, lets talk about the facts. Denmark has less regulatory burden in regards to their healthcare system compared to the clusterfuck in the United States. Denmarks population is arguably in better physical shape than the United States due to diet and exercise which is also an external factor that needs to be considered when driving down costs, as Americans 1970s-present suffer from many diseases and illness that couldve been prevented with better eating and exercise. Denmark despite having universal healthcare, still do have a private sector for healthcare. Bernie and Warren are calling for a complete dismantle of the current health system, throwing millions of people under the bus, and are calling for a complete overhaul and nationalization of the entire healthcare industry that we cannot afford for a variety of reasons. 1: Denmark has a larger number of agencies that oversee healthcare than the US and a higher amount of regulations on everything from drug and device prices to doctors so you're going to have to be specific about your claims on Denmark's regulatory framework. 2:Denmark's obesity rate is higher than both the EU and OECD average and only growing higher, and obesity is a major problem in virtually every modern developed nation, including those with universal healthcare and they still outperform the US's healthcare system. 3:Private healthcare coverage in Denmark only supplies supplemental and complementary coverage to public healthcare, plans that would exist under both Sanders and Warrens plans that have you so triggered. You have no idea about policy in Denmark, and even if you did you still wouldn't support their policies so that you're trying so hard to kill yourself on this hill is doubly hilarious. HellRatUFO posted... Garioshi posted... [LFAQs-redacted-quote] And who makes these drugs? Who chooses to buy them? I dont feel sorry for primarily white adults that fucked their lives up getting addicted to opioids for the same reasons I dont feel sorry for adults that choose to fuck their body up by eating carb, starch, sugar, vegetable oil drenched garbage in conjunction with zero exercise. Ah yes, because opioids are something you "choose to buy" at a walmart the same way you do a box of band-aids rather than something you are prescribed to take by a doctor. What a robust understanding you have of the basic functions of healthcare. --- https://imgur.com/HOLHd4k https://imgur.com/six2WTN <cite>Frolex posted [p:931074180] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>HellRatUFO posted...</cite> <quote> Cool, lets talk about the facts. Denmark has less regulatory burden in regards to their healthcare system compared to the clusterfuck in the United States. Denmarks population is arguably in better physical shape than the United States due to diet and exercise which is also an external factor that needs to be considered when driving down costs, as Americans 1970s-present suffer from many diseases and illness that couldve been prevented with better eating and exercise. Denmark despite having universal healthcare, still do have a private sector for healthcare. Bernie and Warren are calling for a complete dismantle of the current health system, throwing millions of people under the bus, and are calling for a complete overhaul and nationalization of the entire healthcare industry that we cannot afford for a variety of reasons.</quote> 1: Denmark has a larger number of agencies that oversee healthcare than the US and a higher amount of regulations on everything from drug and device prices to doctors so you're going to have to be specific about your claims on Denmark's regulatory framework. 2:Denmark's obesity rate is higher than both the EU and OECD average and only growing higher, and obesity is a major problem in virtually every modern developed nation, including those with universal healthcare and they still outperform the US's healthcare system. 3:Private healthcare coverage in Denmark only supplies supplemental and complementary coverage to public healthcare, plans that would exist under both Sanders and Warrens plans that have you so triggered. You have no idea about policy in Denmark, and even if you did you still wouldn't support their policies so that you're trying so hard to kill yourself on this hill is doubly hilarious. HellRatUFO posted...</cite> <quote>Garioshi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> And who makes these drugs? </quote> Who chooses to buy them? I dont feel sorry for primarily white adults that fucked their lives up getting addicted to opioids for the same reasons I dont feel sorry for adults that choose to fuck their body up by eating carb, starch, sugar, vegetable oil drenched garbage in conjunction with zero exercise.</quote> Ah yes, because opioids are something you "choose to buy" at a walmart the same way you do a box of band-aids rather than something you are prescribed to take by a doctor. What a robust understanding you have of the basic functions of healthcare.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 12/03/19 10:46:45 PM #261:	hockeybub89 posted... Solid Snake07 posted... No, I don't get mad, I just dont care about opinions on complex subjects from people who have little to no understanding of those subjects. That's not shouting down, its uncarimg dismissal So you have no opinions? Sure I have an opinion, capitalism is the best economic system in human history. More of an objective fact, but I'll accommodate the economic and historically illiterate. --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:931074334] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>No, I don't get mad, I just dont care about opinions on complex subjects from people who have little to no understanding of those subjects. That's not shouting down, its uncarimg dismissal</quote>So you have no opinions? </quote> Sure I have an opinion, capitalism is the best economic system in human history. More of an objective fact, but I'll accommodate the economic and historically illiterate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Paper_Okami 12/03/19 10:49:50 PM #263:	Solid Snake07 posted... More of an objective fact, but I'll accommodate the economic and historically illiterate. i guarantee you know fuck all about actual economics and actual history --- "Conceit, arrogance and egotism are the essentials of patriotism"- Emma Goldman "Wimmy Wham Wham Wozzle!" -Slurms MacKenzie <cite>Paper_Okami posted [p:931074435] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>More of an objective fact, but I'll accommodate the economic and historically illiterate.</quote> i guarantee you know fuck all about actual economics and actual history </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 12/03/19 10:51:32 PM #264:	Hairistotle posted... Why do you guys confuse your fucking opinions with objectivity all the the time? Been the same fucking story for a decade. People on the Internet are fuckin unreal Oh okay. Remind me of the system that was more prosperous for masses than capitalism that one time. Just one single example is enough --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:931074495] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>Hairistotle posted...</cite> <quote>Why do you guys confuse your fucking opinions with objectivity all the the time? Been the same fucking story for a decade. People on the Internet are fuckin unreal</quote> Oh okay. Remind me of the system that was more prosperous for masses than capitalism that one time. Just one single example is enough</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 12/03/19 10:54:52 PM #265:	Paper_Okami posted... Solid Snake07 posted... More of an objective fact, but I'll accommodate the economic and historically illiterate. i guarantee you know fuck all about actual economics and actual history I probably have an above average knowledge of both. Especially economics But okay --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:931074624] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>Paper_Okami posted...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>More of an objective fact, but I'll accommodate the economic and historically illiterate.</quote> i guarantee you know fuck all about actual economics and actual history </quote> I probably have an above average knowledge of both. Especially economics But okay</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solid Snake07 12/03/19 10:59:05 PM #267:	HellRatUFO posted... Solid Snake07 posted... Hairistotle posted... Why do you guys confuse your fucking opinions with objectivity all the the time? Been the same fucking story for a decade. People on the Internet are fuckin unreal Oh okay. Remind me of the system that was more prosperous for masses than capitalism that one time. Just one single example is enough They wont name one. All they know is pre-programmed regurgitated rhetoric from social media pages and memes. Psst ~~It's a trap~~ --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:931074796] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>HellRatUFO posted...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote>Hairistotle posted...</cite> <quote>Why do you guys confuse your fucking opinions with objectivity all the the time? Been the same fucking story for a decade. People on the Internet are fuckin unreal</quote> Oh okay. Remind me of the system that was more prosperous for masses than capitalism that one time. Just one single example is enough</quote> They wont name one. All they know is pre-programmed regurgitated rhetoric from social media pages and memes.</quote> Psst It's a trap</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pinky0926 12/03/19 11:01:26 PM #269:	Broseph_Stalin posted... pinky0926 posted... ITT: "We should improve society somewhat" "And yet you participate in society? How curious. I am very intelligent." I'm sorry did he say we should improve society somewhat or did he make the ridiculous claim that capitalism is failing and killing us, and then call for an economic revolution? Stop advocating for shit that's killed millions and people will stop calling you out. It's amazing that you extrapolated all of that out of what I said Well, amazing, or something else --- CE's Resident Scotsman. https://imgur.com/ILz2ZbV <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:931074887] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>pinky0926 posted... </cite> <quote>ITT: "We should improve society somewhat" "And yet you participate in society? How curious. I am very intelligent."</quote>I'm sorry did he say we should improve society somewhat or did he make the ridiculous claim that capitalism is failing and killing us, and then call for an economic revolution? Stop advocating for shit that's killed millions and people will stop calling you out. </quote> It's amazing that you extrapolated all of that out of what I said Well, amazing, or something else</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 12/03/19 11:01:46 PM #270:	Hairistotle posted... Solid Snake07 posted... Oh okay. Remind me of the system that was more prosperous for masses than capitalism that one time. Just one single example is enough Pick literally any other one that doesn't doom the planet Nah I'm looking for something a little more specific Try again --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:931074899] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>Hairistotle posted...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote>Oh okay. Remind me of the system that was more prosperous for masses than capitalism that one time. Just one single example is enough</quote> Pick literally any other one that doesn't doom the planet</quote> Nah I'm looking for something a little more specific Try again</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 12/03/19 11:02:55 PM #271:	Like, isn't it possible to maybe suggest that the current system is flawed, without people thinking you intend to support genocide? --- CE's Resident Scotsman. https://imgur.com/ILz2ZbV <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:931074956] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>Like, isn't it possible to maybe suggest that the current system is flawed, without people thinking you intend to support genocide?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Frolex 12/03/19 11:02:57 PM #272:	HellRatUFO posted... All they know is pre-programmed regurgitated rhetoric from social media pages and memes. now that's what I call projection --- https://imgur.com/HOLHd4k https://imgur.com/six2WTN <cite>Frolex posted [p:931074958] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>HellRatUFO posted...</cite> <quote>All they know is pre-programmed regurgitated rhetoric from social media pages and memes.</quote> now that's what I call projection</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Broseph_Stalin 12/03/19 11:06:00 PM #274:	pinky0926 posted... Like, isnt it possible to maybe suggest that the current system is flawed Maybe don't make hyperbolic statements like "capitalism is killing us, we need an economic revolution" and then pretend you said something entirely different. I don't know why you guys are all trying to claim he didn't say what he said. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:931075079] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>pinky0926 posted... </cite> <quote>Like, isnt it possible to maybe suggest that the current system is flawed</quote> Maybe don't make hyperbolic statements like "capitalism is killing us, we need an economic revolution" and then pretend you said something entirely different. I don't know why you guys are all trying to claim he didn't say what he said. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 12/03/19 11:06:35 PM #275:	Solid Snake07 posted... Sure I have an opinion, capitalism is the best economic system in human history. More of an objective fact, but I'll accommodate the economic and historically illiterate. So you're an economist? Do you have opinions on other topics? I hope you're an expert on everything then. I can't believe CE is full of experts in literally all fields given all the opinions shared here. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:931075099] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>Sure I have an opinion, capitalism is the best economic system in human history. More of an objective fact, but I'll accommodate the economic and historically illiterate.</quote>So you're an economist? Do you have opinions on other topics? I hope you're an expert on everything then. I can't believe CE is full of experts in literally all fields given all the opinions shared here. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 12/03/19 11:09:43 PM #276:	Broseph_Stalin posted... Maybe don't make hyperbolic statements like "capitalism is killing us, we need an economic revolution" and then pretend you said something entirely different. I don't know why you guys are all trying to claim he didn't say what he said. That is not hyperbolic and is wide open to interpretation. He could mean hundreds of things with what he said. "Communist revolution where he and his fellow Hollywood elite assume control" is a bizarrely specific interpretation that you're passing as fact. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:931075227] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted... </cite> <quote>Maybe don't make hyperbolic statements like "capitalism is killing us, we need an economic revolution" and then pretend you said something entirely different. I don't know why you guys are all trying to claim he didn't say what he said.</quote>That is not hyperbolic and is wide open to interpretation. He could mean hundreds of things with what he said. "Communist revolution where he and his fellow Hollywood elite assume control" is a bizarrely specific interpretation that you're passing as fact. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 12/03/19 11:13:05 PM #277:	pinky0926 posted... Like, isn't it possible to maybe suggest that the current system is flawed, without people thinking you intend to support genocide? Im not making the arguement that society has reached apex and can't be improved. Im just shooting down shitty ideas that have been disproven since before anyone here was born. Ask anyone who was lucky enough to immigrate to the west from the USSR how they feel about socialism. Who the fuck are any of you to tell people who have actually lived it they're all wrong? --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:931075342] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>pinky0926 posted...</cite> <quote>Like, isn't it possible to maybe suggest that the current system is flawed, without people thinking you intend to support genocide?</quote> Im not making the arguement that society has reached apex and can't be improved. Im just shooting down shitty ideas that have been disproven since before anyone here was born. Ask anyone who was lucky enough to immigrate to the west from the USSR how they feel about socialism. Who the fuck are any of you to tell people who have actually lived it they're all wrong?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 12/03/19 11:16:28 PM #278:	Why the fuck are you guys so obsessed with the USSR? Has McCarthyism not died out yet? Still pissed about the Cold War? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:931075454] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>Why the fuck are you guys so obsessed with the USSR? Has McCarthyism not died out yet? Still pissed about the Cold War? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 12/03/19 11:21:29 PM #279:	hockeybub89 posted... Solid Snake07 posted... Sure I have an opinion, capitalism is the best economic system in human history. More of an objective fact, but I'll accommodate the economic and historically illiterate. So you're an economist? Do you have opinions on other topics? I hope you're an expert on everything then. I can't believe CE is full of experts in literally all fields given all the opinions shared here. Didnt say I'm an expert. Above average isnt exacly a high bar. I have a bachelor degree in finance. I dont really place a lot of value into that but I think it's fair to say I know more than you're average asshole. I also know quite a few people with masters and PhDs in economics. None of them are socialists. So being idiolistically anti capitalism is the equivilant to be idiolistically anti climate change to me. You're going against most everyone who actually knows what they're talking about. --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:931075644] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>Sure I have an opinion, capitalism is the best economic system in human history. More of an objective fact, but I'll accommodate the economic and historically illiterate.</quote>So you're an economist? Do you have opinions on other topics? I hope you're an expert on everything then. I can't believe CE is full of experts in literally all fields given all the opinions shared here. </quote> Didnt say I'm an expert. Above average isnt exacly a high bar. I have a bachelor degree in finance. I dont really place a lot of value into that but I think it's fair to say I know more than you're average asshole. I also know quite a few people with masters and PhDs in economics. None of them are socialists. So being idiolistically anti capitalism is the equivilant to be idiolistically anti climate change to me. You're going against most everyone who actually knows what they're talking about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 12/03/19 11:22:09 PM #280:	Broseph_Stalin posted... pinky0926 posted... Like, isnt it possible to maybe suggest that the current system is flawed Maybe don't make hyperbolic statements like "capitalism is killing us, we need an economic revolution" and then pretend you said something entirely different. I don't know why you guys are all trying to claim he didn't say what he said. I dont remember saying that? --- CE's Resident Scotsman. https://imgur.com/ILz2ZbV <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:931075667] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>pinky0926 posted... </cite> <quote>Like, isnt it possible to maybe suggest that the current system is flawed</quote> Maybe don't make hyperbolic statements like "capitalism is killing us, we need an economic revolution" and then pretend you said something entirely different. I don't know why you guys are all trying to claim he didn't say what he said. </quote> I dont remember saying that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 12/03/19 11:23:21 PM #281:	hockeybub89 posted... Why the fuck are you guys so obsessed with the USSR? Has McCarthyism not died out yet? Still pissed about the Cold War? I'm not obsessed with anything. These are real people, and you'll be a more informed person listening to them about what they've experienced. Just like anything else --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:931075707] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Why the fuck are you guys so obsessed with the USSR? Has McCarthyism not died out yet? Still pissed about the Cold War? </quote> I'm not obsessed with anything. These are real people, and you'll be a more informed person listening to them about what they've experienced. Just like anything else</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 12/03/19 11:27:22 PM #282:	hockeybub89 posted... Why the fuck are you guys so obsessed with the USSR? Has McCarthyism not died out yet? Still pissed about the Cold War? What do you think the endgame is when you incite hatred against the most successful economic system in history while advocating for a counterproductive one? The Bolsheviks were a democratic organization that aimed to overthrow an oppressive monarchy and institute a fairer system of resource allocation to address the massive inequality in their country. If it happened today people like you and Mr. millionaire movie star would be praising them for wanting to improve the system. This shit never starts with murder and starvation, but that's where it always ends up. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:931075858] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>Why the fuck are you guys so obsessed with the USSR? Has McCarthyism not died out yet? Still pissed about the Cold War?</quote> What do you think the endgame is when you incite hatred against the most successful economic system in history while advocating for a counterproductive one? The Bolsheviks were a democratic organization that aimed to overthrow an oppressive monarchy and institute a fairer system of resource allocation to address the massive inequality in their country. If it happened today people like you and Mr. millionaire movie star would be praising them for wanting to improve the system. This shit never starts with murder and starvation, but that's where it always ends up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paper_Okami 12/03/19 11:29:53 PM #283:	Solid Snake07 posted... I also know quite a few people with masters and PhDs in economics. None of them are socialists. no you fucking don't also do you realize the USSR also produced many people who were still anti capitalist despite the USSR's failure? I'm sure you ignore them because they don't fit your narrative and it's really funny how you guys go on and on away the failure of communism while constantly ignoring the daily failures of capitalism Like there are tons and tons of people starving in capitalists countries the failures of communist countries are because communism is a failed idelogy but the failures of capitalist countries aren't indicative of capitalism being a failure because i'll explain later --- "Conceit, arrogance and egotism are the essentials of patriotism"- Emma Goldman "Wimmy Wham Wham Wozzle!" -Slurms MacKenzie <cite>Paper_Okami posted [p:931075962] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>I also know quite a few people with masters and PhDs in economics. None of them are socialists.</quote> no you fucking don't also do you realize the USSR also produced many people who were still anti capitalist despite the USSR's failure? I'm sure you ignore them because they don't fit your narrative and it's really funny how you guys go on and on away the failure of communism while constantly ignoring the daily failures of capitalism Like there are tons and tons of people starving in capitalists countries the failures of communist countries are because communism is a failed idelogy but the failures of capitalist countries aren't indicative of capitalism being a failure because i'll explain later </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 12/03/19 11:34:36 PM #284:	Broseph_Stalin posted... What do you think the endgame is when you incite hatred against the most successful economic system in history while advocating for a counterproductive one? The Bolsheviks were a democratic organization that aimed to overthrow an oppressive monarchy and institute a fairer system of resource allocation to address the massive inequality in their country. If it happened today people like you and Mr. millionaire movie star would be praising them for wanting to improve the system. This shit never starts with murder and starvation, but that's where it always ends up. "What if we took these ideas to their absolute extremes?" doesn't seem to really be an honest argument. We would never change anything at all if we thought like that. "Moving left leads to communism! Moving right leads to fascism! But mostly moving left leads to communism!" I don't want to hear about honest conversation when we assume every critic of American economics really just wants an excuse to murder everyone and take over Soviet Russia Part 2. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:931076117] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted... </cite> <quote>What do you think the endgame is when you incite hatred against the most successful economic system in history while advocating for a counterproductive one? The Bolsheviks were a democratic organization that aimed to overthrow an oppressive monarchy and institute a fairer system of resource allocation to address the massive inequality in their country. If it happened today people like you and Mr. millionaire movie star would be praising them for wanting to improve the system. This shit never starts with murder and starvation, but that's where it always ends up.</quote>"What if we took these ideas to their absolute extremes?" doesn't seem to really be an honest argument. We would never change anything at all if we thought like that. "Moving left leads to communism! Moving right leads to fascism! But mostly moving left leads to communism!" I don't want to hear about honest conversation when we assume every critic of American economics really just wants an excuse to murder everyone and take over Soviet Russia Part 2. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 12/03/19 11:41:02 PM #285:	hockeybub89 posted... I don't want to hear about honest conversation when we assume every critic of American economics really just wants an excuse to murder everyone and take over Soviet Russia Part 2. Is this a Hugo Chavez quote? <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:931076358] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>I don't want to hear about honest conversation when we assume every critic of American economics really just wants an excuse to murder everyone and take over Soviet Russia Part 2.</quote> Is this a Hugo Chavez quote? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 12/03/19 11:47:14 PM #286:	Broseph_Stalin posted... hockeybub89 posted... I don't want to hear about honest conversation when we assume every critic of American economics really just wants an excuse to murder everyone and take over Soviet Russia Part 2. Is this a Hugo Chavez quote? ...says it all, really. I was looking into the claim this poster made that worker owned businesses were generally less productive than privately owned (finding only evidence to the contrary), but I don't think I'll bother debating my findings. --- Fair enough, but I think everything you said is wrong and I hate you and you're crazy. <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:931076585] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>I don't want to hear about honest conversation when we assume every critic of American economics really just wants an excuse to murder everyone and take over Soviet Russia Part 2.</quote> Is this a Hugo Chavez quote? </quote> ...says it all, really. I was looking into the claim this poster made that worker owned businesses were generally less productive than privately owned (finding only evidence to the contrary), but I don't think I'll bother debating my findings.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 12/03/19 11:49:53 PM #287:	IShall_Run_Amok posted... I was looking into the claim this poster made that worker owned businesses were generally less productive than privately owned (finding only evidence to the contrary), but I don't think I'll bother debating my findings. lol evidence to the contrary Hint: there would be a lot more worker owned businesses if they were more productive <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:931076673] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>IShall_Run_Amok posted... </cite> <quote>I was looking into the claim this poster made that worker owned businesses were generally less productive than privately owned (finding only evidence to the contrary), but I don't think I'll bother debating my findings.</quote> lol evidence to the contrary Hint: there would be a lot more worker owned businesses if they were more productive </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solid Snake07 12/03/19 11:54:16 PM #289:	Paper_Okami posted... Solid Snake07 posted... I also know quite a few people with masters and PhDs in economics. None of them are socialists. no you fucking don't also do you realize the USSR also produced many people who were still anti capitalist despite the USSR's failure? I'm sure you ignore them because they don't fit your narrative and it's really funny how you guys go on and on away the failure of communism while constantly ignoring the daily failures of capitalism Like there are tons and tons of people starving in capitalists countries the failures of communist countries are because communism is a failed idelogy but the failures of capitalist countries aren't indicative of capitalism being a failure because i'll explain later Lol, okay compelling arguement. Feel free to post the source that makes you think I'm full shit on that observation, I suspect its just youre uninformed gut. Poverty has existed in every system in history. It exists substantially less in developed captitlistics countries. You're gonna have a hard time fighting against stone cold facts buddy. --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:931076822] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>Paper_Okami posted...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>I also know quite a few people with masters and PhDs in economics. None of them are socialists.</quote> no you fucking don't also do you realize the USSR also produced many people who were still anti capitalist despite the USSR's failure? I'm sure you ignore them because they don't fit your narrative and it's really funny how you guys go on and on away the failure of communism while constantly ignoring the daily failures of capitalism Like there are tons and tons of people starving in capitalists countries the failures of communist countries are because communism is a failed idelogy but the failures of capitalist countries aren't indicative of capitalism being a failure because i'll explain later </quote> Lol, okay compelling arguement. Feel free to post the source that makes you think I'm full shit on that observation, I suspect its just youre uninformed gut. Poverty has existed in every system in history. It exists substantially less in developed captitlistics countries. You're gonna have a hard time fighting against stone cold facts buddy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paper_Okami 12/03/19 11:56:52 PM #290:	Solid Snake07 posted... It exists substantially less in developed captitlistics countries. the USSR literally substantially reduced poverty that doesn't make it good Solid Snake07 posted... Feel free to post the source that makes you think I'm full shit on that observation you were the one who made the claims, you post the fucking source --- "Conceit, arrogance and egotism are the essentials of patriotism"- Emma Goldman "Wimmy Wham Wham Wozzle!" -Slurms MacKenzie <cite>Paper_Okami posted [p:931076923] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>It exists substantially less in developed captitlistics countries.</quote> the USSR literally substantially reduced poverty that doesn't make it good Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>Feel free to post the source that makes you think I'm full shit on that observation</quote> you were the one who made the claims, you post the fucking source </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 12/03/19 11:59:02 PM #291:	lol Okami talking about starvation in capitalist countries while most have a fucking obesity crisis. But we're supposed to take these people seriously, they're only trying to improve the system after all :^) <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:931076997] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>lol Okami talking about starvation in capitalist countries while most have a fucking obesity crisis. But we're supposed to take these people seriously, they're only trying to improve the system after all :^) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 12/04/19 12:00:40 AM #292:	Broseph_Stalin posted... lol Okami talking about starvation in capitalist countries while most have a fucking obesity crisis. Millions of people are starving in America. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:931077057] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted... </cite> <quote>lol Okami talking about starvation in capitalist countries while most have a fucking obesity crisis.</quote>Millions of people are starving in America. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 12/04/19 12:04:33 AM #293:	hockeybub89 posted... Millions of people are starving in America. no one is starving in america dude <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:931077190] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>Millions of people are starving in America.</quote>no one is starving in america dude </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 12/04/19 12:09:28 AM #294:	Let the record show I asked for one single example in all of human history what system has worked better than capitalism and nothing has been proposed. So sure, go against that, I'm sure you know better than every other human that's ever lived you fucking psycho --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:931077328] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>Let the record show I asked for one single example in all of human history what system has worked better than capitalism and nothing has been proposed. So sure, go against that, I'm sure you know better than every other human that's ever lived you fucking psycho</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 12/04/19 12:13:05 AM #295:	Solid Snake07 posted... Poverty has existed in every system in history. It exists substantially less in developed captitlistics countries. do you think there might be less poverty in socialist countries if the US didn't try to kill their leaders, fund far-right counter-revolutionary movements, and impose sanctions on them, all while they're trying to develop their economy? --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:931077458] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote>Poverty has existed in every system in history. It exists substantially less in developed captitlistics countries.</quote> do you think there might be less poverty in socialist countries if the US didn't try to kill their leaders, fund far-right counter-revolutionary movements, and impose sanctions on them, all while they're trying to develop their economy?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 12/04/19 12:14:45 AM #296:	Here comes the tankie ready to defend the USSR to his last breath <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:931077510] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>Here comes the tankie ready to defend the USSR to his last breath </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 12/04/19 12:17:30 AM #297:	averagejoel posted... Solid Snake07 posted... Poverty has existed in every system in history. It exists substantially less in developed captitlistics countries. do you think there might be less poverty in socialist countries if the US didn't try to kill their leaders, fund far-right counter-revolutionary movements, and impose sanctions on them, all while they're trying to develop their economy? No, next --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:931077593] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote>Poverty has existed in every system in history. It exists substantially less in developed captitlistics countries.</quote> do you think there might be less poverty in socialist countries if the US didn't try to kill their leaders, fund far-right counter-revolutionary movements, and impose sanctions on them, all while they're trying to develop their economy?</quote> No, next</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Middle hope 12/04/19 12:18:46 AM #298:	More like Mark Buffalo --- https://i.imgtc.ws/MAd5hwq.gif <cite>Middle hope posted [p:931077633] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>More like Mark Buffalo </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 12/04/19 12:19:31 AM #299:	Solid Snake07 posted... averagejoel posted... Solid Snake07 posted... Poverty has existed in every system in history. It exists substantially less in developed captitlistics countries. do you think there might be less poverty in socialist countries if the US didn't try to kill their leaders, fund far-right counter-revolutionary movements, and impose sanctions on them, all while they're trying to develop their economy? No, next why not --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:931077659] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted...</cite> <quote>Poverty has existed in every system in history. It exists substantially less in developed captitlistics countries.</quote> do you think there might be less poverty in socialist countries if the US didn't try to kill their leaders, fund far-right counter-revolutionary movements, and impose sanctions on them, all while they're trying to develop their economy?</quote> No, next</quote> why not</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 12/04/19 12:20:14 AM #300:	Joel was shocked to find that soviet agricultural production was inefficient and believes farmers killed during the Holodomor brought it upon themselves so be sure to take nothing he says seriously <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:931077684] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>Joel was shocked to find that soviet agricultural production was inefficient and believes farmers killed during the Holodomor brought it upon themselves so be sure to take nothing he says seriously </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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