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Malfunction 12/03/19 4:11:41 AM #152:	It's like how people correctly call Pewdiepie an anti-semite for courting far right fans <cite>Malfunction posted [p:931035943] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>It's like how people correctly call Pewdiepie an anti-semite for courting far right fans </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 12/03/19 4:23:13 AM #153:	Milkman5 posted... That Russel Brand quote makes no sense. If a rich person donated their entire wealth, none of what he is saying would apply. The point is Russel Brand is hoarding money while saying this. Heres the quote: When I was poor and complained about inequality they said I was bitter; now that I'm rich and I complain about inequality they say I'm a hypocrite. I'm beginning to think they just don't want to talk about inequality It shouldnt matter what he does with his money. Lets break the statement itself down: The fact is he complained about something when he was poor and was written off as someone who didnt try hard enough. Once he tried hard enough and became successful he complained about the same thing again and was told nah, you cant complain about that anymore cause youre rich. So he wonders if people are avoiding his complaint on purpose. That makes perfect sense. I also think it would still apply. Sure, some people decide to live more modestly but they arent held as some famous celebrities that changed inequality through setting a better example for people. Most of the people Darkpheonix is posting arent even known to the majority of people, which only re-enforces Brands message. This also avoids the fact that there might be a reason for what he does. Same with Ruffalo, for all I know dude knows more about fame than I do and knows having money is the best way to reach people. Maybe hes just trying to get rich enough to reach the Kardashian fans and get their attention so he can spread his message further. When someone asks Ruffalo why he has his money let me know. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:931036111] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>Milkman5 posted...</cite> <quote>That Russel Brand quote makes no sense. If a rich person donated their entire wealth, none of what he is saying would apply. The point is Russel Brand is hoarding money while saying this. </quote> Heres the quote: When I was poor and complained about inequality they said I was bitter; now that I'm rich and I complain about inequality they say I'm a hypocrite. I'm beginning to think they just don't want to talk about inequality It shouldnt matter what he does with his money. Lets break the statement itself down: The fact is he complained about something when he was poor and was written off as someone who didnt try hard enough. Once he tried hard enough and became successful he complained about the same thing again and was told nah, you cant complain about that anymore cause youre rich. So he wonders if people are avoiding his complaint on purpose. That makes perfect sense. I also think it would still apply. Sure, some people decide to live more modestly but they arent held as some famous celebrities that changed inequality through setting a better example for people. Most of the people Darkpheonix is posting arent even known to the majority of people, which only re-enforces Brands message. This also avoids the fact that there might be a reason for what he does. Same with Ruffalo, for all I know dude knows more about fame than I do and knows having money is the best way to reach people. Maybe hes just trying to get rich enough to reach the Kardashian fans and get their attention so he can spread his message further. When someone asks Ruffalo why he has his money let me know.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 12/03/19 4:37:30 AM #154:	There is a better quote. "Put your money where your mouth is" And another "Talk is cheap" See, the thing about the Russel Brand quote is when he was poor and people didn't listen, that is a legitimate whine. Not much a poor person can do but whine. Now he is rich and people don't listen, that is not a legitimate whine. He has the power to make people listen. Infact, with money you can pay people who disagree to pretend like they do. What exactly is he doing that people are calling him a hypocrite over? Going on a talkshow and saying "someone ELSE needs to reform this system!" Like what is brand actually doing that is notable that we are handwaving because he is rich? From his wiki, the most notable thing I see is opening a coffee shop to employ addicts. I mean, how many celebs agree with Brand and Ruffalo? If there was at least 10-30 of them they might pull a billion net worth between them. Well maybe not a billion but quite alot. Why not organize and actually push for this change with that wealth instead of living in those fancy houses multi million mansions? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:931036326] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>There is a better quote. "Put your money where your mouth is" And another "Talk is cheap" See, the thing about the Russel Brand quote is when he was poor and people didn't listen, that is a legitimate whine. Not much a poor person can do but whine. Now he is rich and people don't listen, that is not a legitimate whine. He has the power to make people listen. Infact, with money you can pay people who disagree to pretend like they do. What exactly is he doing that people are calling him a hypocrite over? Going on a talkshow and saying "someone ELSE needs to reform this system!" Like what is brand actually doing that is notable that we are handwaving because he is rich? From his wiki, the most notable thing I see is opening a coffee shop to employ addicts. I mean, how many celebs agree with Brand and Ruffalo? If there was at least 10-30 of them they might pull a billion net worth between them. Well maybe not a billion but quite alot. Why not organize and actually push for this change with that wealth instead of living in those fancy houses multi million mansions? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 12/03/19 4:45:05 AM #155:	"Shut up and give your money away if you care" isn't really a solution if someone is calling for systematic change. A single rich person could give to their pet charities or specific people, but could you really rely on charity to spread to all areas and all needy citizens? You need policy and tax-funded public programs to really enact change and reach the people. Charity is extremely unreliable and limited in scope. A society that ran on it would fail even worse than communism. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:931036445] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>"Shut up and give your money away if you care" isn't really a solution if someone is calling for systematic change. A single rich person could give to their pet charities or specific people, but could you really rely on charity to spread to all areas and all needy citizens? You need policy and tax-funded public programs to really enact change and reach the people. Charity is extremely unreliable and limited in scope. A society that ran on it would fail even worse than communism. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 12/03/19 4:49:09 AM #156:	darkphoenix181 posted... Now he is rich and people don't listen, that is not a legitimate whine. He has the power to make people listen. Infact, with money you can pay people who disagree to pretend like they do. The last thing we should be encouraging in America is more buying of politicians. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:931036505] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>darkphoenix181 posted... </cite> <quote>Now he is rich and people don't listen, that is not a legitimate whine. He has the power to make people listen. Infact, with money you can pay people who disagree to pretend like they do.</quote>The last thing we should be encouraging in America is more buying of politicians. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 12/03/19 4:49:43 AM #157:	hockeybub89 posted... "Shut up and give your money away if you care" isn't really a solution if someone is calling for systematic change. A single rich person could give to their pet charities or specific people, but could you really rely on charity to spread to all areas and all needy citizens? You need policy and tax-funded public programs to really enact change and reach the people. Charity is extremely unreliable and limited in scope. A society that ran on it would fail even worse than communism. Sometimes you have to be the change you want to see. To set the example and create the domino effect. For one thing, living it up while tweeting about revolution isn't gonna help as much as using your vast wealth to help as many poor people you care about as you possibly can. <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:931036513] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>"Shut up and give your money away if you care" isn't really a solution if someone is calling for systematic change. A single rich person could give to their pet charities or specific people, but could you really rely on charity to spread to all areas and all needy citizens? You need policy and tax-funded public programs to really enact change and reach the people. Charity is extremely unreliable and limited in scope. A society that ran on it would fail even worse than communism.</quote> Sometimes you have to be the change you want to see. To set the example and create the domino effect. For one thing, living it up while tweeting about revolution isn't gonna help as much as using your vast wealth to help as many poor people you care about as you possibly can. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 12/03/19 5:04:05 AM #158:	Mark Ruffalo is a multimillionaire actor, not an economist. Who gives a shit what he thinks about anything outside of film? --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:931036713] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>Mark Ruffalo is a multimillionaire actor, not an economist. Who gives a shit what he thinks about anything outside of film?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 12/03/19 5:06:04 AM #159:	darkphoenix181 posted... Sometimes you have to be the change you want to see. To set the example and create the domino effect. For one thing, living it up while tweeting about revolution isn't gonna help as much as using your vast wealth to help as many poor people you care about as you possibly can. Why does it seem like the only people talking about communism and demanding rich people give up all their money are the people that want neither of those things? Again, charity is fucking useless at reaching everyone or enacting large scale change. I'm not going to sit here and whine because this or that celebrity doesn't give all their money away to just... someone, anyone. This is disingenuous anyway because all the advice is coming from people that would not give their money away and would actively vote against any change that these acts of charity may potentially inspire. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:931036741] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>darkphoenix181 posted... </cite> <quote>Sometimes you have to be the change you want to see. To set the example and create the domino effect. For one thing, living it up while tweeting about revolution isn't gonna help as much as using your vast wealth to help as many poor people you care about as you possibly can.</quote>Why does it seem like the only people talking about communism and demanding rich people give up all their money are the people that want neither of those things? Again, charity is fucking useless at reaching everyone or enacting large scale change. I'm not going to sit here and whine because this or that celebrity doesn't give all their money away to just... someone, anyone. This is disingenuous anyway because all the advice is coming from people that would not give their money away and would actively vote against any change that these acts of charity may potentially inspire. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 12/03/19 5:18:05 AM #160:	Solid Snake07 posted... Mark Ruffalo is a multimillionaire actor, not an economist. Who gives a shit what he thinks about anything outside of film? How many economists are on CE? They make up what percentage of politicians or voters? We don't live in some extreme technocracy. Representatives who aren't experts on everything represent people who aren't experts on everything. Do you get mad at everyone who criticizes something they are not an expert at? "I don't see you coaching a professional sports team or directing movies!" Or just use that to shout down political views you disagree with? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:931036909] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>Mark Ruffalo is a multimillionaire actor, not an economist. Who gives a shit what he thinks about anything outside of film?</quote>How many economists are on CE? They make up what percentage of politicians or voters? We don't live in some extreme technocracy. Representatives who aren't experts on everything represent people who aren't experts on everything. Do you get mad at everyone who criticizes something they are not an expert at? "I don't see you coaching a professional sports team or directing movies!" Or just use that to shout down political views you disagree with? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FuneralFroth 12/03/19 5:39:48 AM #161:	hockeybub89 posted... FuneralFroth posted... Really tired of hearing about how capitalism is so bad from fucking rich people. Either donate your money and eat at long john silvers like me or stay in your fancy lane bitch This is a weird rant where you're demanding communism to get people to stop bitching about capitalism. Society has no fucking hope when we turn every fucking economical debate into a fucking Cold War sequel. No im just tired of hearing rich people complain about the system that allows to live the way they live. --- Pendejo. <cite>FuneralFroth posted [p:931037290] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>FuneralFroth posted... </cite> <quote>Really tired of hearing about how capitalism is so bad from fucking rich people. Either donate your money and eat at long john silvers like me or stay in your fancy lane bitch</quote>This is a weird rant where you're demanding communism to get people to stop bitching about capitalism. Society has no fucking hope when we turn every fucking economical debate into a fucking Cold War sequel. </quote> No im just tired of hearing rich people complain about the system that allows to live the way they live.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 12/03/19 5:44:50 AM #162:	Put your money where your mouth is! Well Brand has a net worth of 15mil, god is there just sooooooooo much he can do with that. Opening a cafe that employs addicts is actually a pretty good thing to do. Sounds like hes trying to enact the change hes preaching to me. But that means nothing unless he gives away the rest of his money, right? Im not trying to be mean, it just seems like youre setting a ridiculously high bar for Russel to live up to. His quote is so good because its not just about him, its the same message you hear from tons of people from all walks of life; celebrities, economists, philosophers, businessmen. Hes far from the first to talk about it, he just had a clever way of summing the issue up. Seems odd that instead of talking about the issue of inequality people talk about russel brand himself instead. Im starting to think people just dont want to talk about inequality. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:931037372] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>Put your money where your mouth is! Well Brand has a net worth of 15mil, god is there just sooooooooo much he can do with that. Opening a cafe that employs addicts is actually a pretty good thing to do. Sounds like hes trying to enact the change hes preaching to me. But that means nothing unless he gives away the rest of his money, right? Im not trying to be mean, it just seems like youre setting a ridiculously high bar for Russel to live up to. His quote is so good because its not just about him, its the same message you hear from tons of people from all walks of life; celebrities, economists, philosophers, businessmen. Hes far from the first to talk about it, he just had a clever way of summing the issue up. Seems odd that instead of talking about the issue of inequality people talk about russel brand himself instead. Im starting to think people just dont want to talk about inequality.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 12/03/19 5:49:57 AM #163:	FuneralFroth posted... hockeybub89 posted... FuneralFroth posted... Really tired of hearing about how capitalism is so bad from fucking rich people. Either donate your money and eat at long john silvers like me or stay in your fancy lane bitch This is a weird rant where you're demanding communism to get people to stop bitching about capitalism. Society has no fucking hope when we turn every fucking economical debate into a fucking Cold War sequel. No im just tired of hearing rich people complain about the system that allows to live the way they live. Why? They obviously know it better than you. You discredit them because their rich, but because they are rich they also get to see a whole different perspective, likely a far bigger one, than what we get to see. Bo Burnham has millions. Listen to his song Art is Dead and tell me hes got no right to criticize the way he lives just because he lives that way. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:931037455] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>FuneralFroth posted...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>FuneralFroth posted... </cite> <quote>Really tired of hearing about how capitalism is so bad from fucking rich people. Either donate your money and eat at long john silvers like me or stay in your fancy lane bitch</quote>This is a weird rant where you're demanding communism to get people to stop bitching about capitalism. Society has no fucking hope when we turn every fucking economical debate into a fucking Cold War sequel. </quote> No im just tired of hearing rich people complain about the system that allows to live the way they live.</quote> Why? They obviously know it better than you. You discredit them because their rich, but because they are rich they also get to see a whole different perspective, likely a far bigger one, than what we get to see. Bo Burnham has millions. Listen to his song Art is Dead and tell me hes got no right to criticize the way he lives just because he lives that way.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 12/03/19 6:13:00 AM #164:	hockeybub89 posted... Solid Snake07 posted... Mark Ruffalo is a multimillionaire actor, not an economist. Who gives a shit what he thinks about anything outside of film? How many economists are on CE? They make up what percentage of politicians or voters? We don't live in some extreme technocracy. Representatives who aren't experts on everything represent people who aren't experts on everything. Do you get mad at everyone who criticizes something they are not an expert at? "I don't see you coaching a professional sports team or directing movies!" Or just use that to shout down political views you disagree with? No, I don't get mad, I just dont care about opinions on complex subjects from people who have little to no understanding of those subjects. That's not shouting down, its uncarimg dismissal --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:931037790] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>Mark Ruffalo is a multimillionaire actor, not an economist. Who gives a shit what he thinks about anything outside of film?</quote>How many economists are on CE? They make up what percentage of politicians or voters? We don't live in some extreme technocracy. Representatives who aren't experts on everything represent people who aren't experts on everything. Do you get mad at everyone who criticizes something they are not an expert at? "I don't see you coaching a professional sports team or directing movies!" Or just use that to shout down political views you disagree with? </quote> No, I don't get mad, I just dont care about opinions on complex subjects from people who have little to no understanding of those subjects. That's not shouting down, its uncarimg dismissal</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MarqueeSeries 12/03/19 9:10:09 AM #165:	HellRatUFO posted... Zeeak4444 posted... RoadsterUFO posted... Frolex posted... RoadsterUFO posted... Californias inflated housing/rent can be traced back to the 1970s when they started experimenting with legislation that sought to make it affordable to everyone. Prior to policies in that manner that have only expanded, rent and house prices in California were comparable to the rest of the Untied States. The legislation you're talking about was introduced by a Republican and was intended to "make it affordable to everyone" through the trickle down economics you got so triggered about people bringing up earlier in this thread, so good job for proving his point for him. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Jarvis Youre implying I think Republicans cant introduce bad legislation and that theyre beneath criticism with this dumb post. I dont care who introduced the fucking policy, I just care if the intentions will equate to positive results. That wasnt the case with this, now was? Lol What kind of sad ass sidestep is this? Im a fool cause I though Dems sounded right too. But youre really over here saying that everything you said in reply to my post is now incorrect but that it doesnt matter? So youre in agreement that not only have the republicans been at fault for ~20 years like I said, but that theyve actually been at fault since the start lmao. Yes, as Republicans are largely just leftists driving the speed limit Now that's what I call a hot fucking take I'm not sure where you get your definition of leftism but that ain't it --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>MarqueeSeries posted [p:931041112] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>HellRatUFO posted...</cite> <quote>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote> RoadsterUFO posted...</cite> <quote> Frolex posted...</cite> <quote> RoadsterUFO posted...</cite> <quote> Californias inflated housing/rent can be traced back to the 1970s when they started experimenting with legislation that sought to make it affordable to everyone. Prior to policies in that manner that have only expanded, rent and house prices in California were comparable to the rest of the Untied States. </quote> The legislation you're talking about was introduced by a Republican and was intended to "make it affordable to everyone" through the trickle down economics you got so triggered about people bringing up earlier in this thread, so good job for proving his point for him. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Jarvis </quote> Youre implying I think Republicans cant introduce bad legislation and that theyre beneath criticism with this dumb post. I dont care who introduced the fucking policy, I just care if the intentions will equate to positive results. That wasnt the case with this, now was? Lol </quote> What kind of sad ass sidestep is this? Im a fool cause I though Dems sounded right too. But youre really over here saying that everything you said in reply to my post is now incorrect but that it doesnt matter? So youre in agreement that not only have the republicans been at fault for ~20 years like I said, but that theyve actually been at fault since the start lmao.</quote> Yes, as Republicans are largely just leftists driving the speed limit </quote> Now that's what I call a hot fucking take I'm not sure where you get your definition of leftism but that ain't it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 12/03/19 11:01:31 AM #166:	Broseph_Stalin posted... IShall_Run_Amok posted... millions of people suffering and dying under capitalism lol Of course, if you ignore the problem, you don't have to participate in the conversation. --- Fair enough, but I think everything you said is wrong and I hate you and you're crazy. <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:931044617] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>IShall_Run_Amok posted... </cite> <quote>millions of people suffering and dying under capitalism</quote> lol </quote> Of course, if you ignore the problem, you don't have to participate in the conversation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkphoenix181 12/03/19 11:13:25 AM #168:	hockeybub89 posted... Why does it seem like the only people talking about communism and demanding rich people give up all their money are the people that want neither of those things? Ruffalo said: "Its time for an economic revolution. Capitalism today is failing us, killing us, and robbing from our childrens future." In what other system other than Capitalism would he have $30 million and growing? It is not like he tweeted a modest: "Guys, we need reform. We should simply inplement social welfare programs to suppliment our capitalist economy like the nordic model" No. He literally said revolution. And what kind of revolution? Capitalism gone. <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:931045070] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>Why does it seem like the only people talking about communism and demanding rich people give up all their money are the people that want neither of those things? </quote> Ruffalo said: "Its time for an economic revolution. Capitalism today is failing us, killing us, and robbing from our childrens future." In what other system other than Capitalism would he have $30 million and growing? It is not like he tweeted a modest: "Guys, we need reform. We should simply inplement social welfare programs to suppliment our capitalist economy like the nordic model" No. He literally said revolution. And what kind of revolution? Capitalism gone. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlephZero 12/03/19 11:15:17 AM #169:	imagine looking at the standard of living in norway, switzerland, denmark, etc, and thinking "we need to tear the entire system down" the highest standards of living in human history, but nope, capitalism needs to go --- "life is overrated" - Seiichi Omori 01001100 01010101 01000101 00100000 00110100 00110000 00110010 <cite>AlephZero posted [p:931045148] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>imagine looking at the standard of living in norway, switzerland, denmark, etc, and thinking "we need to tear the entire system down" the highest standards of living in human history, but nope, capitalism needs to go </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AlephZero 12/03/19 11:19:38 AM #171:	Godnorgosh posted... You are the sort of person who will point to Nordic countries as examples of why capitalism is great, but when those on the left propose adopting their policies (on healthcare, education, etc.), you go, no, that's socialism. No? A capitalist economy with a strong social safety net is ideal, and what I think we should work towards in the US. --- "life is overrated" - Seiichi Omori 01001100 01010101 01000101 00100000 00110100 00110000 00110010 <cite>AlephZero posted [p:931045336] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>Godnorgosh posted... </cite> <quote>You are the sort of person who will point to Nordic countries as examples of why capitalism is great, but when those on the left propose adopting their policies (on healthcare, education, etc.), you go, no, that's socialism.</quote>No? A capitalist economy with a strong social safety net is ideal, and what I think we should work towards in the US. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
treewojima 12/03/19 11:22:13 AM #172:	https://i.imgur.com/s3pfg4k.jpg <cite>treewojima posted [p:931045435] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>https://i.imgur.com/s3pfg4k.jpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 12/03/19 11:22:13 AM #173:	AlephZero posted... No? A capitalist economy with a strong social safety net is ideal, and what I think we should work towards in the US. That sounds better than revolution because "capitalism is so bad it is killing our kids". <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:931045437] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>AlephZero posted... </cite> <quote>No? A capitalist economy with a strong social safety net is ideal, and what I think we should work towards in the US.</quote> That sounds better than revolution because "capitalism is so bad it is killing our kids". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 12/03/19 11:29:10 AM #174:	GreatEvilEmpire posted... IShall_Run_Amok posted... I don't know why millions of people suffering and dying under communism makes millions of people suffering and dying under capitalism any more excusable. Its just a handy deflection from criticism. People have no idea what communism is like until they live in it. People starved...hundreds of millions of people starved. Only a small percentage of the population gets well-fed and they're the ones in power. If you live under communism, you wouldn't be sitting where you are, posting on message boards, playing games and bingeing on TV shows. No, you'd be out there contributing, working and if you're lucky, you just may gave an extra food coupon for your hard work. None of this matters. If a billion people starved to death under communism (which is 10x more than the made up number of yours - its actually around 65 million), it still wouldn't mean that the millions of people who starve to death under capitalism were justified. Being not quite as good at murder as the commies doesn't make cappies into angels. --- Fair enough, but I think everything you said is wrong and I hate you and you're crazy. <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:931045686] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>GreatEvilEmpire posted...</cite> <quote>IShall_Run_Amok posted...</cite> <quote>I don't know why millions of people suffering and dying under communism makes millions of people suffering and dying under capitalism any more excusable. Its just a handy deflection from criticism. </quote> People have no idea what communism is like until they live in it. People starved...hundreds of millions of people starved. Only a small percentage of the population gets well-fed and they're the ones in power. If you live under communism, you wouldn't be sitting where you are, posting on message boards, playing games and bingeing on TV shows. No, you'd be out there contributing, working and if you're lucky, you just may gave an extra food coupon for your hard work.</quote> None of this matters. If a billion people starved to death under communism (which is 10x more than the made up number of yours - its actually around 65 million), it still wouldn't mean that the millions of people who starve to death under capitalism were justified. Being not quite as good at murder as the commies doesn't make cappies into angels.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Alpha218 12/03/19 11:36:28 AM #177:	Paper_Okami posted... "When I was poor and complained about inequality they said I was bitter; now that I'm rich and I complain about inequality they say I'm a hypocrite. I'm beginning to think they just don't want to talk about inequality. Russell Brand i mean every time a CEman complains about capitalism this is what happens "you're jealous" and then every time a wealthy person criticizes it "you hypocrite" the same damn people say both things Exactly this. Who is allowed to complain that whats going right now is screwing the middle and lower class while the rich reap record profits? Hell you can still like capitalism and see that there is a massive problem where wealth and power gets weighted even harder towards the rich as time goes on. --- I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite user on the Citadel. Mario Maker 2 Maker ID: X6G-JGS-BFG; Dead by Daylight Discord: https://discord.gg/s6gDduM <cite>Alpha218 posted [p:931045976] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>Paper_Okami posted... </cite> <quote>"When I was poor and complained about inequality they said I was bitter; now that I'm rich and I complain about inequality they say I'm a hypocrite. I'm beginning to think they just don't want to talk about inequality. Russell Brand i mean every time a CEman complains about capitalism this is what happens "you're jealous" and then every time a wealthy person criticizes it "you hypocrite" the same damn people say both things</quote>Exactly this. Who is allowed to complain that whats going right now is screwing the middle and lower class while the rich reap record profits? Hell you can still like capitalism and see that there is a massive problem where wealth and power gets weighted even harder towards the rich as time goes on. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gamer167 12/03/19 11:53:21 AM #178:	Well if youre so against capitalism maybe you should stop rolling around in its rewards there Marky boy. <cite>gamer167 posted [p:931046665] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>Well if youre so against capitalism maybe you should stop rolling around in its rewards there Marky boy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Malfunction 12/03/19 11:54:09 AM #179:	Every AlephZero post: "[x person who topic is about] is alt right" "only cops should have guns" Please feel free to provide other examples <cite>Malfunction posted [p:931046690] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>Every AlephZero post: "[x person who topic is about] is alt right" "only cops should have guns" Please feel free to provide other examples </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AlephZero 12/03/19 12:00:32 PM #181:	Malfunction posted... Every AlephZero post: "[x person who topic is about] is alt right" "only cops should have guns" Please feel free to provide other examples cuckoldry is the thinking man's fetish --- "life is overrated" - Seiichi Omori 01001100 01010101 01000101 00100000 00110100 00110000 00110010 <cite>AlephZero posted [p:931046916] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>Malfunction posted... </cite> <quote>Every AlephZero post: "[x person who topic is about] is alt right" "only cops should have guns" Please feel free to provide other examples</quote>cuckoldry is the thinking man's fetish </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 12/03/19 12:13:10 PM #182:	Alpha218 posted... Hell you can still like capitalism and see that there is a massive problem where wealth and power gets weighted even harder towards the rich as time goes on. This would be fine. But do you take "revolution, capitalism is killing us and our kids" as "I like capitalism" That is the probelm with Ruffalo tweet. We know he likes capitalism because he is buying mansions. But he is saying the opposite. Brand is the same way. He lives in a 3 million dollar home but espouses this from his wikipedia entry: `A socialist egalitarian system based on the massive redistribution of wealth, [with] heavy taxation of corporations...I think the very concept of profit should be hugely reduced...I say profit is a filthy word, because wherever there is a profit there is also a deficit.` Profit is a filthy word yet he has millions. How do you get millions without profit? Is he going to give those up when profit is gone? See, he is not a hypocrite because he has money now, he is a hypocrite because he says profit is filthy and yet continues to profit and use said profit for luxuries. Then again, back in 2014 he supposedly began donating his wealth to his causes https://heatworld.com/celebrity/news/russell-brand-doesn-t-need-make-money-anymore-s-donating-good-causes/ https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/entertainment/russell-brand-im-not-stinky-rich-anymore-810700.html Today he is worth $15 mil according to estimates. Maybe they are wrong but apparently he lives in a 3 million dollar mansions so he has to have money to pay those giant property taxes. But he is at least less of a hypocrite than others it seems, if he kept using his wealth as power for his causes that is. Idk. <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:931047424] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>Alpha218 posted... </cite> <quote>Hell you can still like capitalism and see that there is a massive problem where wealth and power gets weighted even harder towards the rich as time goes on.</quote> This would be fine. But do you take "revolution, capitalism is killing us and our kids" as "I like capitalism" That is the probelm with Ruffalo tweet. We know he likes capitalism because he is buying mansions. But he is saying the opposite. Brand is the same way. He lives in a 3 million dollar home but espouses this from his wikipedia entry: A socialist egalitarian system based on the massive redistribution of wealth, [with] heavy taxation of corporations...I think the very concept of profit should be hugely reduced...I say profit is a filthy word, because wherever there is a profit there is also a deficit. Profit is a filthy word yet he has millions. How do you get millions without profit? Is he going to give those up when profit is gone? See, he is not a hypocrite because he has money now, he is a hypocrite because he says profit is filthy and yet continues to profit and use said profit for luxuries. Then again, back in 2014 he supposedly began donating his wealth to his causes https://heatworld.com/celebrity/news/russell-brand-doesn-t-need-make-money-anymore-s-donating-good-causes/ https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/entertainment/russell-brand-im-not-stinky-rich-anymore-810700.html Today he is worth $15 mil according to estimates. Maybe they are wrong but apparently he lives in a 3 million dollar mansions so he has to have money to pay those giant property taxes. But he is at least less of a hypocrite than others it seems, if he kept using his wealth as power for his causes that is. Idk. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yadoken 12/03/19 12:18:57 PM #183:	If he donates more than 50% of what he earns to charity and the poor, I'd listen to whatever he says. In other words, I won't listen to anything he says. --- Then: Arguing with the religious using facts and logic "I have faith" Now: Arguing with liberals using facts and logic "I have a feeling" <cite>Yadoken posted [p:931047660] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>If he donates more than 50% of what he earns to charity and the poor, I'd listen to whatever he says. In other words, I won't listen to anything he says.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 12/03/19 12:18:59 PM #184:	"The alternative to America is the USSR" Pretty much the go-to argument from economically expert conservatives. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:931047662] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>"The alternative to America is the USSR" Pretty much the go-to argument from economically expert conservatives. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 12/03/19 12:28:31 PM #185:	FuneralFroth posted... No im just tired of hearing rich people complain about the system that allows to live the way they live. Can you not comprehend anyone being short of completely self-centered? This is like when people laugh at a basketball player for talking about social justice. And just as disingenuous since people would ignore a poor sap talking about the same shit. We love the system until someone with money and/or power complains about it, then we mock them for being hypocrites participating in this awful nation. It's so transparently non-authentic. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:931048115] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>FuneralFroth posted... </cite> <quote>No im just tired of hearing rich people complain about the system that allows to live the way they live.</quote>Can you not comprehend anyone being short of completely self-centered? This is like when people laugh at a basketball player for talking about social justice. And just as disingenuous since people would ignore a poor sap talking about the same shit. We love the system until someone with money and/or power complains about it, then we mock them for being hypocrites participating in this awful nation. It's so transparently non-authentic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 12/03/19 12:29:06 PM #186:	Solid Snake07 posted... No, I don't get mad, I just dont care about opinions on complex subjects from people who have little to no understanding of those subjects. That's not shouting down, its uncarimg dismissal So you have no opinions? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:931048139] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>No, I don't get mad, I just dont care about opinions on complex subjects from people who have little to no understanding of those subjects. That's not shouting down, its uncarimg dismissal</quote>So you have no opinions? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 12/03/19 12:34:27 PM #187:	hockeybub89 posted... "The alternative to America is the USSR" Pretty much the go-to argument from economically expert conservatives. Dat strawman Lmao <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:931048352] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>"The alternative to America is the USSR" Pretty much the go-to argument from economically expert conservatives.</quote> Dat strawman Lmao </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IShall_Run_Amok 12/03/19 1:14:35 PM #190:	darkphoenix181 posted... hockeybub89 posted... "The alternative to America is the USSR" Pretty much the go-to argument from economically expert conservatives. Dat strawman Lmao Its hardly a strawman that he built. At least one user on this very page (I'm viewing 50 posts at a time though) have made the leap from "capitalism is bad" to "but communism...!" in response to me stating, quite literally, that communism's evils don't make up for capitalism's evils. I should also point out, for further reference, that just because someone builds a strawman, doesn't mean that they're wrong or that your own reasoning is superior. There is such a thing as a 'fallacy fallacy', after all - pointing out that a fallacy is a fallacy does not an argument make. The point of logical fallacies is not so you can point out that someone has used a logical fallacy and, therefore, has lost the game of reasoning, but that you can figure out how to successfully counter their fallacious argument. In accusing him of crafting a strawman, but offering nothing substantial in return, you are not proving yourself to be the more reasoned person. And if you don't want to look reasonable, you probably shouldn't be "lmao"ing at every straw man you see. Its just silly. Nobody's going "lol look at the tu quoque going on in this thread", and they'd look like fools for doing so, even though a large portion of this thread is just that. --- Fair enough, but I think everything you said is wrong and I hate you and you're crazy. <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:931050029] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>"The alternative to America is the USSR" Pretty much the go-to argument from economically expert conservatives.</quote> Dat strawman Lmao </quote> Its hardly a strawman that he built. At least one user on this very page (I'm viewing 50 posts at a time though) have made the leap from "capitalism is bad" to "but communism...!" in response to me stating, quite literally, that communism's evils don't make up for capitalism's evils. I should also point out, for further reference, that just because someone builds a strawman, doesn't mean that they're wrong or that your own reasoning is superior. There is such a thing as a 'fallacy fallacy', after all - pointing out that a fallacy is a fallacy does not an argument make. The point of logical fallacies is not so you can point out that someone has used a logical fallacy and, therefore, has lost the game of reasoning, but that you can figure out how to successfully counter their fallacious argument. In accusing him of crafting a strawman, but offering nothing substantial in return, you are not proving yourself to be the more reasoned person. And if you don't want to look reasonable, you probably shouldn't be "lmao"ing at every straw man you see. Its just silly. Nobody's going "lol look at the tu quoque going on in this thread", and they'd look like fools for doing so, even though a large portion of this thread is just that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Paper_Okami 12/03/19 1:22:11 PM #192:	Conservatives are actually leftists is one of the dumbest things i've ever seen on this board --- "Conceit, arrogance and egotism are the essentials of patriotism"- Emma Goldman "Wimmy Wham Wham Wozzle!" -Slurms MacKenzie <cite>Paper_Okami posted [p:931050390] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>Conservatives are actually leftists is one of the dumbest things i've ever seen on this board </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 12/03/19 1:30:03 PM #194:	HellRatUFO posted... Youre in no position to be ranting about arguments when you take into consideration your dodge around post earlier when I asked you to provide hard evidence with the use of critical thinking free of any emotional rhetoric to properly explain why the socialist policies you shill for are going to bring about the so called economic prosperity of the policies intentions. Like I said, I am not an economist and I'm not giving you a fucking drawn out economic plan. I "shill" for all those "socialist" policies that I am also told are just capitalist with strong safety nets, so am I even socialist? I have non-expert reactionary responses to the events that transpire in America. Like you, the rest of CE, and the vast majority of the voting bloc --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:931050773] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>HellRatUFO posted... </cite> <quote>Youre in no position to be ranting about arguments when you take into consideration your dodge around post earlier when I asked you to provide hard evidence with the use of critical thinking free of any emotional rhetoric to properly explain why the socialist policies you shill for are going to bring about the so called economic prosperity of the policies intentions.</quote>Like I said, I am not an economist and I'm not giving you a fucking drawn out economic plan. I "shill" for all those "socialist" policies that I am also told are just capitalist with strong safety nets, so am I even socialist? I have non-expert reactionary responses to the events that transpire in America. Like you, the rest of CE, and the vast majority of the voting bloc </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paper_Okami 12/03/19 1:31:56 PM #195:	HellRatUFO posted... But right, Donald Trump, a man that was previously registered as a Democrat with his children not being able to vote for him in the New York primary last cycle because they were registered as Democrats, isnt a leftist that implements left-wing economic policy points lol. one hell of a conspiracy theory HellRatUFO posted... - Tax increases worth billions of dollars. - More gun control implemented than the previous administration. - Higher deficit spending than the previous administration. - For the pro-life crowd that voted for him because he identified as pro-life, signing bloated spending omnibuses that included continued full federal funding of Planned Parenthood. - Multiple welfare bailouts to a demographic that were directly impacted the most from ridiculous tax increases. - Advocation for mandated min wage laws, even going as far as to state it needs to be much higher than $15 per hour. making shit up --- "Conceit, arrogance and egotism are the essentials of patriotism"- Emma Goldman "Wimmy Wham Wham Wozzle!" -Slurms MacKenzie <cite>Paper_Okami posted [p:931050863] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>HellRatUFO posted... </cite> <quote>But right, Donald Trump, a man that was previously registered as a Democrat with his children not being able to vote for him in the New York primary last cycle because they were registered as Democrats, isnt a leftist that implements left-wing economic policy points lol.</quote> one hell of a conspiracy theory HellRatUFO posted... </cite> <quote>- Tax increases worth billions of dollars. - More gun control implemented than the previous administration. - Higher deficit spending than the previous administration. - For the pro-life crowd that voted for him because he identified as pro-life, signing bloated spending omnibuses that included continued full federal funding of Planned Parenthood. - Multiple welfare bailouts to a demographic that were directly impacted the most from ridiculous tax increases. - Advocation for mandated min wage laws, even going as far as to state it needs to be much higher than $15 per hour.</quote> making shit up </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 12/03/19 1:35:24 PM #196:	HellRatUFO posted... Trump Administration: - Tax increases worth billions of dollars. - More gun control implemented than the previous administration. - Higher deficit spending than the previous administration. - For the pro-life crowd that voted for him because he identified as pro-life, signing bloated spending omnibuses that included continued full federal funding of Planned Parenthood. - Multiple welfare bailouts to a demographic that were directly impacted the most from ridiculous tax increases. - Advocation for mandated min wage laws, even going as far as to state it needs to be much higher than $15 per hour. But right, Donald Trump, a man that was previously registered as a Democrat with his children not being able to vote for him in the New York primary last cycle because they were registered as Democrats, isnt a leftist that implements left-wing economic policy points lol. Man who knew Donald Trump was the genius savior that would unite all Americans under a distinctly left agenda. The Democrats are too stupid to realize they have everything they ever wanted in and the Republicans are too stupid to realize they all just became left-wing. Donald Trump is not only the greatest President of all time, but the greatest politician in the history of the world. And you would even never know based on all his directionless rambling and Twitter shitposting. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:931051045] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>HellRatUFO posted... </cite> <quote>Trump Administration: - Tax increases worth billions of dollars. - More gun control implemented than the previous administration. - Higher deficit spending than the previous administration. - For the pro-life crowd that voted for him because he identified as pro-life, signing bloated spending omnibuses that included continued full federal funding of Planned Parenthood. - Multiple welfare bailouts to a demographic that were directly impacted the most from ridiculous tax increases. - Advocation for mandated min wage laws, even going as far as to state it needs to be much higher than $15 per hour. But right, Donald Trump, a man that was previously registered as a Democrat with his children not being able to vote for him in the New York primary last cycle because they were registered as Democrats, isnt a leftist that implements left-wing economic policy points lol.</quote>Man who knew Donald Trump was the genius savior that would unite all Americans under a distinctly left agenda. The Democrats are too stupid to realize they have everything they ever wanted in and the Republicans are too stupid to realize they all just became left-wing. Donald Trump is not only the greatest President of all time, but the greatest politician in the history of the world. And you would even never know based on all his directionless rambling and Twitter shitposting. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gamer167 12/03/19 2:31:07 PM #197:	Did his views change on capitalism before or after he signed his last 8 figure movie contract? <cite>gamer167 posted [p:931053428] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>Did his views change on capitalism before or after he signed his last 8 figure movie contract? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MC_BatCommander 12/03/19 2:33:03 PM #198:	gamer167 posted... Did his views change on capitalism before or after he signed his last 8 figure movie contract? Why does someone being wealthy disqualify them from the discussion? --- The Legend is True! <cite>MC_BatCommander posted [p:931053516] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>gamer167 posted...</cite> <quote>Did his views change on capitalism before or after he signed his last 8 figure movie contract? </quote> Why does someone being wealthy disqualify them from the discussion?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 12/03/19 2:36:02 PM #199:	Regarding the whole, "why doesn't he just donate his money " thing. I'm curious,if he did, wouldn't people just say that's just showing that capitalism and charitable work are what's needed. Him doing that wouldn't really be a slight against capitalism --- Pitter-patter, let's get at 'er <cite>emblem boy posted [p:931053635] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>Regarding the whole, "why doesn't he just donate his money " thing. I'm curious,if he did, wouldn't people just say that's just showing that capitalism and charitable work are what's needed. Him doing that wouldn't really be a slight against capitalism</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unknown5uspect 12/03/19 2:37:30 PM #200:	MC_BatCommander posted... Why does someone being wealthy disqualify them from the discussion? If he were poor, he'd also be disqualified from the discussion. That's how disingenuous hacks like him operate. There's a Russel Brand quote on the first page that describes people like him. <cite>Unknown5uspect posted [p:931053690] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>MC_BatCommander posted... </cite> <quote>Why does someone being wealthy disqualify them from the discussion?</quote> If he were poor, he'd also be disqualified from the discussion. That's how disingenuous hacks like him operate. There's a Russel Brand quote on the first page that describes people like him. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 12/03/19 2:38:00 PM #201:	200 posts of quality CE discussion. I'm sure we've all learned something valuable these last couple days --- https://imgur.com/VeNBg https://imgur.com/gd5jC8q https://imgur.com/PKIy7 https://imgur.com/3p29JqP <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:931053711] in Mark Ruffa... [t:78221228]...</cite> <quote>200 posts of quality CE discussion. I'm sure we've all learned something valuable these last couple days</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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