Current Events > Mark Ruffalo: capitalism is failing us, killing us

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hockeybub89 posted...

Let's dig people out of poverty

What do you think capitalism has been doing?

It's important not to experiment with bad policy no matter how good your intentions are.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Let's dig people out of poverty

What do you think capitalism has been doing?

It's important not to experiment with bad policy no matter how good your intentions are.

Use this:

Extreme Poverty Rates Plummet Under Capitalism
https://fee.org/articles/extreme-poverty-rates-plummet-under-capitalism/

Meanwhile, everyone is poor under Communism.
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More like Mark Buffalo

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Hulk smash the chains of the proletariat
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Broseph_Stalin posted...

What do you think capitalism has been doing?

It's important not to experiment with bad policy no matter how good your intentions are.

Step one to solving poverty: redefine it so the standards are lower.

For example: You're only in poverty if you're more than $100,000 in debt, but it has to be personal debt owed to other people, money owed to the government doesn't count, money owed on property like houses also doesn't count.

Bam, now there's maybe a million people in poverty worldwide.

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gunplagirl posted...

Step one to solving poverty: redefine it so the standards are lower.

That's... not how poverty rates work.

Broseph_Stalin posted...

That's... not how poverty rates work.

I mean, in the US poverty rates are determined by a hard threshold number. I don't think you quite seem to get that.

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konokonohamaru posted...

California's liberal elite consistently vote for policies that make matters worse. It costs like $400 in annual registration fees for a car. It's like $3,000 a month to rent a crappy 2 bedroom condo. Gas is at $3.80 a gallon. These things make life very difficult for regular people and yet they keep voting against policies that might actually help people.

That would be the Republicans, actually. At least in SoCal.

Cant speak for NorCal but idk where this myth that SoCals housing crisis is from the liberals in the state. Its not, its the rich old white people who live in Del Mar, Cardiff, Carlsbad and such who routinely vote no one any and all proposals aimed at housing or transportation.
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RoadsterUFO posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

konokonohamaru posted...

California's liberal elite consistently vote for policies that make matters worse. It costs like $400 in annual registration fees for a car. It's like $3,000 a month to rent a crappy 2 bedroom condo. Gas is at $3.80 a gallon. These things make life very difficult for regular people and yet they keep voting against policies that might actually help people.

That would be the Republicans, actually. At least in SoCal.

Cant speak for NorCal but idk where this myth that SoCals housing crisis is from the liberals in the state. Its not, its the rich old white people who live in Del Mar, Cardiff, Carlsbad and such who routinely vote no one any and all proposals aimed at housing or transportation.

Californias inflated housing/rent can be traced back to the 1970s when they started experimenting with legislation that sought to make it affordable to everyone. Prior to policies in that manner that have only expanded, rent and house prices in California were comparable to the rest of the Untied States.

Correct. That hasnt been relevant in 20 years or so but that is correct.

Not sure how that has anything to do with what I said though.
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HellRatUFO posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

I wonder how exactly we are supposed to change anything, capitalist, communist or in between, when apparently affecting rich people in any way will just make them flee the country.

Explain how any of the socialist policies the likes of Bernie and Warren call for will bring about this prosperity. Do so without the following emotional SJW trigger buzzwords:

1%
Wealthy
Rich
Income Gap
Income Inequality
Trickle Down
Loopholes
Fair
Bailout

Do all this while taking into consideration the present economy and federal government spending. And be sure to do math too.

"do this thing but don't use any of these words I don't like, I probably won't respect you even if you do this because something you say will inevitably tie back to one of these terms but you should waste your time jumping through hoops anyway in the hopes of impressing me, a no-name forum dweller who you've most likely never spoken to before in your life, because I'm worthy of your attention and respect"
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MrMallard posted...

"do this thing but don't use any of these words I don't like, I probably won't respect you even if you do this because something you say will inevitably tie back to one of these terms but you should waste your time jumping through hoops anyway in the hopes of impressing me, a no-name forum dweller who you've most likely never spoken to before in your life, because I'm worthy of your attention and respect"

p much
never worth arguing with people like that
no matter how good your argument is, no matter how much you play their game, they won't admit they're wrong.

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RoadsterUFO posted...

Weird way to say how dare someone ask another person to provide hard evidence that requires the use of critical thinking for something theyre ready to shill for that they proclaim will help the people it is intended to, but not ready to explain how and why lol.

says the person who hasn't provided an iota of hard evidence himself

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https://www.6sqft.com/mark-ruffalo-checks-out-a-10m-renovated-upper-west-side-brownstone/

After a tough stretch of protesting at Standing Rock, Academy Award-winning actor and humanitarian Mark Ruffalo may be treating himself to some pricey NYC real estate.
Listed for $9.99 million, the five-story home at 161 West 91st Street boasts high-end offerings like a six-stop elevator, a roof deck, and a glassy rear extension that on the ground floor opens completely to a private garden.

^that's a complete an utter ad-hominem that doesn't negate anything he's said
you guys would find problem with similar statements no matter who said it
because you don't want to actually talk about the problem. So you deflect deflect deflect


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he's going to DIE in that brownstone though

Whats the alternative then?
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Paper_Okami posted...

"When I was poor and complained about inequality they said I was bitter; now that I'm rich and I complain about inequality they say I'm a hypocrite. I'm beginning to think they just don't want to talk about inequality.

Russell Brand

Paper_Okami posted...

^that's a complete an utter ad-hominem that doesn't negate anything he's said
you guys would find problem with similar statements no matter who said it
because you don't want to actually talk about the problem. So you deflect deflect deflect

You need to look up what ad hominem means.
Him living in a house with elevators is very relevant to his argument. It is not even attacking his character, it is just showing what he spends his multiple millions on.
Maybe you find that frivilous and unnecessary? Yea, it is.

Maybe capitalism has failed people, but he said it failed him, his children and we need an economic revolution.

Yea, I am sure his children will have a real hard time riding their own personal elevator to their room on the 5th floor after taking a walk through their garden.
Poor guy.

You know what would be an economic revolution, if he and his buddies sold their mansions and distributed the wealth themselves. He doesn't have to be poor btw, keep a million or two.

RoadsterUFO posted...

Paper_Okami posted...

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says the person who hasn't provided an iota of hard evidence himself

https://tradingeconomics.com/denmark/corporate-tax-rate

https://www.export.gov/article?id=Denmark-import-tariffs

https://globuzzer.mn.co/posts/minimum-wage-in-denmark

How do you enjoy your crow? Do you prefer it charcoal black or rare? Oh yeah, now go on and explain how Bernies policies are supposed to help us be more like Denmark and lift people out of poverty when what he advocates for is the inverse of what Denmark does.

So youre advocating that we should have stronger trade unions in the US.

Correct?
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Paper_Okami posted...

"When I was poor and complained about inequality they said I was bitter; now that I'm rich and I complain about inequality they say I'm a hypocrite. I'm beginning to think they just don't want to talk about inequality.

Russell Brand

Yeah that's right. I don't want to hear millionaires talk about inequality I want to see them do something about it. And I don't want to hear poor people complain about inequality. I want them to say specifically what they think can be done about it.
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Zeeak4444 posted...

So youre advocating that we should have stronger trade unions in the US.

Correct?

of course not
they never do

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RoadsterUFO posted...

Californias inflated housing/rent can be traced back to the 1970s when they started experimenting with legislation that sought to make it affordable to everyone. Prior to policies in that manner that have only expanded, rent and house prices in California were comparable to the rest of the Untied States.

The legislation you're talking about was introduced by a Republican and was intended to "make it affordable to everyone" through the trickle down economics you got so triggered about people bringing up earlier in this thread, so good job for proving his point for him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Jarvis
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RoadsterUFO posted...

Unions in the United States are glorified corporate firms

this isn't fucking true, just BS anti-union proganda that you somehow fell for
lol you aren't actually pro-union

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California has tons of policies that are straight up regressive, hitting poor and middle class people in the pocket book with no recourse. Good example is how f***ing expensive it is to own a car. Well guess what, with the s*** public transportation that we have a car is pretty much needed to live and work. Make owning a car cheaper, California, and that by itself will go a long way to help people. But no, the only car owners we should be helping are rich people who buy electric vehicles.
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RoadsterUFO posted...

Frolex posted...

RoadsterUFO posted...

Californias inflated housing/rent can be traced back to the 1970s when they started experimenting with legislation that sought to make it affordable to everyone. Prior to policies in that manner that have only expanded, rent and house prices in California were comparable to the rest of the Untied States.

The legislation you're talking about was introduced by a Republican and was intended to "make it affordable to everyone" through the trickle down economics you got so triggered about people bringing up earlier in this thread, so good job for proving his point for him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Jarvis

Youre implying I think Republicans cant introduce bad legislation and that theyre beneath criticism with this dumb post. I dont care who introduced the fucking policy, I just care if the intentions will equate to positive results. That wasnt the case with this, now was? Lol

What kind of sad ass sidestep is this?

Im a fool cause I though Dems sounded right too. But youre really over here saying that everything you said in reply to my post is now incorrect but that it doesnt matter?

So youre in agreement that not only have the republicans been at fault for ~20 years like I said, but that theyve actually been at fault since the start lmao.
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RoadsterUFO posted...

Youre implying I think Republicans cant introduce bad legislation and that theyre beneath criticism with this dumb post. I dont care who introduced the fucking policy, I just care if the intentions will equate to positive results. That wasnt the case with this, now was? Lol

So then what was your problem with that poster correctly ascribing the issue of California's housing prices to republican legislation?
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HellRatUFO posted...

Frolex posted...

RoadsterUFO posted...

Youre implying I think Republicans cant introduce bad legislation and that theyre beneath criticism with this dumb post. I dont care who introduced the fucking policy, I just care if the intentions will equate to positive results. That wasnt the case with this, now was? Lol

So then what was your problem with that poster correctly ascribing the issue of California's housing prices to republican legislation?

When did I state a thing about what political partys politician introduced it in California?

When you said it to me.

Do I really need to quote it for you?

Edit: My apologies. You heavily implied it, or just decided to write your support of my statement in a really really weird way? Idk but my bad for mistakenly thinking you stated it.
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I don't like Russel Brand but that quote is spot on.

A poor guy complains and they are bitter jealous unintelligent failures who need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps

A rich guy complains and they are a lazy spoiled hypocrite on top of their ivory tower.

So no one is allowed to complain about the blatant corruption, suffering and injustice? Everything is to be handwaved?
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Frolex posted...

RoadsterUFO posted...

Youre implying I think Republicans cant introduce bad legislation and that theyre beneath criticism with this dumb post. I dont care who introduced the fucking policy, I just care if the intentions will equate to positive results. That wasnt the case with this, now was? Lol

So then what was your problem with that poster correctly ascribing the issue of California's housing prices to republican legislation?

CEQA and NIMBYism via local control of housing policy probably has more to do with the high housing costs than prop 13.

SB50 which tried to move control over zoning to the state level was abandoned when democrats control politics at every level statewide

arguing over which party is more responsible is pointless
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HellRatUFO posted...

When did I state a thing about what political partys politician introduced it in California?

Then answer the question: what was your problem with the analysis in the post you were responding to?
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From the article he shares. Pretty ironic.

If a single cultural idea has upheld the disproportionate power of this class, it has been the idea of the win-win. They could get rich and then give back to you: win-win. They could run a fund that made them sizable returns and offered you social returns too: win-win. They could sell sugary drinks to children in schools and work on public-private partnerships to improve childrens health: win-win. They could build cutthroat technology monopolies and get credit for serving to connect humanity and foster community:

HellRatUFO posted...

Where did I state I have a problem? I was just adding in the history of Californias rent and housing related legislations that equated to the higher prices they have today.

Then there was no problem with me pointing out you were proving his point for him. great, glad we could all come to agreement on this.
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HellRatUFO posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

RoadsterUFO posted...

Frolex posted...

RoadsterUFO posted...

Californias inflated housing/rent can be traced back to the 1970s when they started experimenting with legislation that sought to make it affordable to everyone. Prior to policies in that manner that have only expanded, rent and house prices in California were comparable to the rest of the Untied States.

The legislation you're talking about was introduced by a Republican and was intended to "make it affordable to everyone" through the trickle down economics you got so triggered about people bringing up earlier in this thread, so good job for proving his point for him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Jarvis

Youre implying I think Republicans cant introduce bad legislation and that theyre beneath criticism with this dumb post. I dont care who introduced the fucking policy, I just care if the intentions will equate to positive results. That wasnt the case with this, now was? Lol

What kind of sad ass sidestep is this?

Im a fool cause I though Dems sounded right too. But youre really over here saying that everything you said in reply to my post is now incorrect but that it doesnt matter?

So youre in agreement that not only have the republicans been at fault for ~20 years like I said, but that theyve actually been at fault since the start lmao.

Yes, as Republicans are largely just leftists driving the speed limit that excuse their leftism whenever they get elected with shit like But at least it aint Obama/Hillary. This is how you get people excusing and shoving under the table Donald Trump having higher deficit spending than Obama, Donald Trump passing more gun control than Obama, and Donald Trump passing more tax increases than Obama with tariffs. Its like you lots cant spew anything but pre-programmed for you blue team good, red team bad tribalism talking points lol.

Im not even a democrat lol. Im one of the mocked centrist on the board, until like 2017 I was seen as a conservative on the board.

I agree with most of what you said here for sure. Its partially your fault too though lol, if you respond to a post saying its not the liberals fault, its the conservatives with actually, it can be traced back to 1970s it sounds like youre presenting a rebuttal lol. Just as you see someone cheering their blue side you come across like your just cheering the red side. Its pretty funny tbh, on both sides.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

I don't like Russel Brand but that quote is spot on.

A poor guy complains and they are bitter jealous unintelligent failures who need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps

A rich guy complains and they are a lazy spoiled hypocrite on top of their ivory tower.

So no one is allowed to complain about the blatant corruption, suffering and injustice? Everything is to be handwaved?

I don'r think anyone called Bernie a hypocrite or failure. Instead they just said his plan is a pipedream.

No one is calling Andrew Yang a hypocrite or a whiner either, since he correctly identifies some of the technological roots of today's growing inequality

I'm not convinced UBI is a solution, but I'm absolutely convinced greater inequality is here to stay. As platforms develop to allow a smaller handful of the most talented people to reach a greater and greater share of the global populace, we're naturally going to get more and more inequality
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That Russel Brand quote makes no sense. If a rich person donated their entire wealth, none of what he is saying would apply. The point is Russel Brand is hoarding money while saying this.

UnfairRepresent posted...

I don't like Russel Brand but that quote is spot on.

A poor guy complains and they are bitter jealous unintelligent failures who need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps

A rich guy complains and they are a lazy spoiled hypocrite on top of their ivory tower.

So no one is allowed to complain about the blatant corruption, suffering and injustice? Everything is to be handwaved?

Who says a rich man can't give back his wealth? This is such a weird false dichotomy rich hollywood celebrities have built.

The options aren't poor man vs rich man. If these turbo rich celebrities gave away their millions and lived off of a modest amount of money (say 90,000 a year and gave the rest away)

then they wouldn't be such blatant hypocrites.

They just want poor people to worship them and enjoy the perks of being turbo rich at the same time.

They are basically sleazebags

Milkman5 posted...

That Russel Brand quote makes no sense. If a rich person donated their entire wealth, none of what he is saying would apply. The point is Russel Brand is hoarding money while saying this.

True. No one gonna call Chuck Feeny a hypocrite, but they will Russel Brand.
Why?
Feeney living ina reg apartment. Brand in a 3 million dollar house.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/chuck-feeney-the-billionaire-who-gave-it-all-away-1.3413084?mode=amp

More people no one would dare call a hypocrite unlike they do of Ruffalo and Russel Brand.

https://www.lovemoney.com/gallerylist/66103/the-superrich-who-gave-away-their-entire-fortunes

British telecoms tycoon Jon Bennion-Pedley had a wake-up call when he was involved in a car accident in 2002 and decided to start giving back to society. In 2010, Bennion-Pedley went all out and sold his business, home and most of his belongings, worth millions, to move to Africa, live in a mud hut and start a charity for impoverished children.