Current Events > Why are Democrats intent on making the same mistake in 2020 they did in 2016?

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AmericaTheBrave
12/02/19 1:10:02 PM
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They pushed their establishment shill in 2016 and lost.

Now they're doing the same thing. Pushing their establishment candidates like Biden, Buttigieg, Harris, etc. while ignoring the ones their base actually wants like Bernie, Warren, Tulsi and Yang (even though Yang is an idiot that should be ignored).

Say what you will about Republicans. They wanted to push their establishment candidate in Jeb Bush, but saw their base responded to Trump and changed tacks.

Republicans know how to adapt, Democrats just want to force you to like something.
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Squall28
12/02/19 1:11:20 PM
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Maybe they know trillion dollars plans will fuck us
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Doom_Art
12/02/19 1:11:54 PM
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AmericaTheBrave posted...
Tulsi and Yang
Why is it always these two

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Goats
12/02/19 1:12:32 PM
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Even if they do, Trump has melted away most of the goodwill that he had in 2016. Only his hardcores are going to be voting for him in 2020.

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DeadBankerDream
12/02/19 1:12:48 PM
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Nobody wants Tulsi or Yang so you're being a dishonest liar by claiming they do.
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_BIueMonk
12/02/19 1:13:08 PM
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letting russia interfere?
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Ethosian
12/02/19 1:14:47 PM
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Trump won by very, very small margins in key states. Even Biden is nowhere near as reviled as Hillary. Unless something strange happens, I don't see Trump winning Michigan or Pennsylvania. If anything, Trump has lost supporters, and he's lost a good chunk of the "Anyone but Hillary" vote.
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AmericaTheBrave
12/02/19 1:16:06 PM
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Goats posted...
Even if they do, Trump has melted away most of the goodwill that he had in 2016. Only his hardcores are going to be voting for him in 2020.


Trump can win with his hardcore fans if liberals are too disillusioned to show up to the polls.
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Ethosian
12/02/19 1:21:11 PM
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AmericaTheBrave posted...
Goats posted...
Even if they do, Trump has melted away most of the goodwill that he had in 2016. Only his hardcores are going to be voting for him in 2020.


Trump can win with his hardcore fans if liberals are too disillusioned to show up to the polls.

They'd have to be MORE disillusioned than 2016 though. Seeing how fired up the base is to get Trump the fuck out, I don't see turnout being worse. It might come down to spoiler candidates. If someone runs third party whose values are relatable to Democrats, it could drain enough votes to give Trump the edge.
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CommonStar
12/02/19 1:23:33 PM
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Because class solidarity is all that matters to them.
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hockeybub89
12/02/19 1:24:17 PM
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Hillary had more problems than being the establishment. I don't want a fucker like Biden to win but he still is more popular than goddamn Hillary

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Musourenka
12/02/19 1:25:44 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
AmericaTheBrave posted...
Tulsi and Yang
Why is it always these two


Yeah, those are red flags. Especially, Tulsi. The democratic base do NOT want Tulsi.
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AlephZero
12/02/19 1:26:56 PM
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establishment pigs will be first to the gulag after bernie wins

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ThanksUglyGod
12/02/19 1:34:42 PM
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Yeah, I remember how hard the RNC and top Republicans were pullin for Trump before the primary.

That's def a thing that happened.
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Caution999
12/02/19 1:37:14 PM
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It's not wise around these parts to criticize the Democratic party.

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s0nicfan
12/02/19 1:40:02 PM
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It's amazing the lengths people will go to rationalize why their preferred candidate isn't the most popular. Especially when you compare different failing candidates.
"Why isn't Tulsi winning?" - People don't want her.
"Why isn't Bernie winning?" - something something Russia DNC media

https://imgur.com/LIXZBfJ

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Southernfatman
12/02/19 1:42:14 PM
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Because Democrats are corrupt and owned by the rich too and would never let any progressive-ish person ever win. They, their friends, and their masters lose too much money if that happens.
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King_Hutton
12/02/19 1:45:06 PM
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No one has cast a single vote yet and everything is already a conspiracy.

Yall fucking wild.
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Doom_Art
12/02/19 1:46:25 PM
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AmericaTheBrave posted...
Trump can win with his hardcore fans if liberals are too disillusioned to show up to the polls.
That's the point of making these topics, no?

Ethosian posted...
If someone runs third party whose values are relatable to Democrats, it could drain enough votes to give Trump the edge.
The current theory is that Tulsi is angling to do this when she inevitably doesn't get nominated

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King_Hutton
12/02/19 1:47:52 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
The current theory is that Tulsi is angling to do this when she inevitably doesn't get nominated

King_Hutton posted...
everything is already a conspiracy.

Yall fucking wild.

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Doom_Art
12/02/19 1:48:49 PM
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Hey, I'm just saying she looks to be angling to do that

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Smashingpmkns
12/02/19 1:49:45 PM
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Tulsi running third party would be a complete non issue
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Doom_Art
12/02/19 1:52:32 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Tulsi running third party would be a complete non issue
It would have the same effect John Anderson had in 1980.

She'd draw a chunk of the electorate but that chunk isn't voting Democrat anyway

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King_Hutton
12/02/19 1:52:38 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Tulsi running third party would be a complete non issue

The amount of weird Trumpers who like her would almost certainly balance out with the 7 leftists who like her
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Southernfatman
12/02/19 2:00:00 PM
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Bloomberg is probably going to be the fly in the ointment here and not Tulsi. He like that Howard Schultz fuck is just trying to make sure either an establishment, billionaire friendly Dem gets elected or Trump. Either way, he and his friends and his class benefit.
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coolboy11
12/02/19 2:00:38 PM
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the Democratic party is a big tent party that struggle to galvanize around any one candidate basically and the moderate older ones are the ones who actually fuckin show up to vote so there you go, if a lot of you actual progressive young folk bothered to vote every once in a while we wouldn't get boring centrist Dem 101 in 85% of races.
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AmericaTheBrave
12/02/19 6:36:58 PM
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AmericaTheBrave
12/02/19 9:45:59 PM
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Cheater87
12/02/19 9:47:24 PM
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They would rather lose to Trump, then have a progressive win the White House. The DNC HATE progressives.

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CADE FOSTER
12/02/19 9:49:13 PM
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Tulsi is a fucking republican no thx
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Sad_Face
12/02/19 9:51:36 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
"Why isn't Bernie winning?" - something something Russia DNC media
We have direct evidence that of "something something DNC media" from the leaked emails. We also have indirect evidence from the DNC now banning superdelegates from committing to a candidate before their state holds their primary election.

AmericaTheBrave posted...
(even though Yang is an idiot that should be ignored)
Yang has far more foresight than any president I've witnessed, save for what I've heard about Ron Paul, entirely due to him making a big effort to recognize the Fourth Industrial Revolution for what it is. Feel free to elaborate here as to why he should be ignored.

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CruelBuffalo
12/02/19 9:54:48 PM
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lol of course youre for ron paul despite them being totally opposite government philosphies
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CruelBuffalo
12/02/19 9:56:40 PM
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https://youtu.be/8T9fk7NpgIU

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Sad_Face
12/02/19 9:57:03 PM
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CruelBuffalo posted...
lol of course youre for ron paul despite them being totally opposite government philosphies
I don't believe I said such a thing. All I've implied is that, from what I heard, Ron Paul has a lot of foresight.

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CruelBuffalo
12/02/19 9:58:13 PM
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Sad_Face posted...
I don't believe I said such a thing. All I've implied is that, from what I heard, Ron Paul has a lot of foresight.
into being a moron yeah he does. Him and his idiot son
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GigaSPX
12/02/19 10:03:50 PM
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Sad_Face posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
lol of course youre for ron paul despite them being totally opposite government philosphies
I don't believe I said such a thing. All I've implied is that, from what I heard, Ron Paul has a lot of foresight.

I've been seeing Yang's place in this political race to mirror like Ron Paul's in 2012. Big internet supporters, but the establishment is keeping him down.
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GodBlessAustin
12/02/19 10:08:06 PM
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No matter who they pick of the top candidates (Pete, Biden, Bernie, Warren) a good portion of the party wont be happy enough to vote for them.
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Lorenzo_2003
12/02/19 10:12:09 PM
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Goats posted...
Even if they do, Trump has melted away most of the goodwill that he had in 2016. Only his hardcores are going to be voting for him in 2020.


Nah, I bet Trump wins against almost anyone still.

The Dems best bet is to remove Trump from the equation. Thats why theve been going all-in on his removal before he even stepped into office. If it works, then they should win 2020 with no problems. But if the impeachment fails, this whole thing will blow up in their face.
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008Zulu
12/02/19 10:22:51 PM
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The popular vote is irrelevant, how is the Electoral support looking for Trump?
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Fuparulez
12/02/19 10:29:30 PM
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The answer to the question posed in the thread title is that the Democrats have pushed too far to reverse course. They can't just suddenly go "Oh, wow, you're right, socialism is stupid and health care plans costing fifty trillion dollars are totally unreasonable."
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Purely
12/02/19 10:36:04 PM
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Funny thing is, Tulsi would actually have a good shot of beating Trump. So of course dems don't want her.
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GodBlessAustin
12/02/19 10:37:01 PM
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Purely posted...
Funny thing is, Tulsi would actually have a good shot of beating Trump. So of course dems don't want her.

Idk. Bernie bros might stay home if she's the nominee
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Bestoffuture
12/02/19 10:37:44 PM
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Funny thing is, Tulsi would actually have a good shot of beating Trump. So of course dems don't want her.

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Bestoffuture
12/02/19 10:38:20 PM
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GodBlessAustin posted...
Purely posted...
Funny thing is, Tulsi would actually have a good shot of beating Trump. So of course dems don't want her.

Idk. Bernie bros might stay home if she's the nominee


Doubt it. She won over the Bernie Bros by sticking with him in 2016
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Broseph_Stalin
12/02/19 10:40:25 PM
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literally fucking no one likes tulsi stop this meme
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ThanksUglyGod
12/02/19 10:43:22 PM
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Pretty sure the Venn diagram of Tulsi Gabbard supporters are Republicans and people who want a president they can beat it to.
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Doom_Art
12/02/19 10:44:25 PM
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ThanksUglyGod posted...
Pretty sure the Venn diagram of Tulsi Gabbard supporters are Republicans and people who want a president they can beat it to.
Gabbard 2020

The Perfect Democrat for People Who Hate Democrats

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Bestoffuture
12/02/19 10:45:56 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
ThanksUglyGod posted...
Pretty sure the Venn diagram of Tulsi Gabbard supporters are Republicans and people who want a president they can beat it to.
Gabbard 2020

The Perfect Democrat for People Who Hate Democrats


I hate the Democratic establishment and you should too
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Broseph_Stalin
12/02/19 10:49:13 PM
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Bestoffuture posted...
I hate the Democratic establishment and you should too
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