Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 250: Hearing Laws

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Inviso
11/30/19 12:08:12 PM
#354:


Jakyl25 posted...
Inviso posted...
Keep in mind that Smuffin believes black people are naturally inferior to white people, so waging a war that protected their human rights over the rights of white slave owners is naturally a bad thing to him.


To be fair, even though this is true, he has constructed an argument divorced from that


I'm aware. I just know that Smuffin is following the standard GOP playbook of "this thing is bad because it had a positive impact of racial equality/good because it had a negative impact on racial equality", but in order to maintain plausible deniability of his racism, he then crafts an asinine secondary argument that bypasses the inherent racism of his true feelings.
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Jakyl25
11/30/19 12:09:45 PM
#355:


Its not really asinine in this case

Conservatives say FDR was bad because of Japanese internment despite the good things he did for the country and theyre right.
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HeroDelTiempo17
11/30/19 12:10:10 PM
#356:


Corrik7 posted...
Well, to be fair, Lincoln's stated policies is why in conjunction with the current climate.


My understanding is that Lincoln was going to preserve slavery but bar it in new states. Which is a power move considering so much of the politics at the time was based around free vs slave states and strategically admitting new states to bolster political parties, but we don't know how it would have gone down...because the southern states seceded. Lincoln may have been the cause but the vast bulk of the blame for secession is still on the states themselves.

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Inviso
11/30/19 12:10:26 PM
#357:


Jakyl25 posted...
Its not really asinine in this case

Conservatives say FDR was bad because of Japanese internment despite the good things he did for the country and theyre right.


I'm referring, specifically, to the assertion that Abraham Lincoln was the worst president of all time.
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Kenri
11/30/19 12:11:38 PM
#358:


The real issue with Lincoln was that he had Andrew Johnson as a VP.

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red sox 777
11/30/19 12:17:22 PM
#359:


So can we acknowledge the reality that abolition was a minority position in the US in 1860 and if Lincoln had gone for that he would have lost the border states, lost the war, and completely failed to stop slavery, in addition to losing the Union.
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Not_an_Owl
11/30/19 12:19:30 PM
#360:


Inviso posted...
in order to maintain plausible deniability of his racism

Smart "people are calling me racist so I might as well be racist" Muffin
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red sox 777
11/30/19 12:28:13 PM
#361:


But yeah, this thing about throwing out all context and judging everyone else by your own beliefs is ridiculous. Like completely and utterly insane. As bad as the worst fundamentalists.

#ThisIsWhyYouLost
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Corrik7
11/30/19 12:48:04 PM
#362:


Jakyl25 posted...
Its not really asinine in this case

Conservatives say FDR was bad because of Japanese internment despite the good things he did for the country and theyre right.
FDR was great.


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Jakyl25
11/30/19 12:55:26 PM
#363:


Corrik7 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Its not really asinine in this case

Conservatives say FDR was bad because of Japanese internment despite the good things he did for the country and theyre right.
FDR was great.



He did some great things

He did some awful things
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HeroDelTiempo17
11/30/19 12:59:57 PM
#364:


The New Deal policies, while very progressive, also had the effect of the state enforcing and creating segregation. So there's that.

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ChaosTonyV4
11/30/19 1:41:20 PM
#365:


Corrik7 posted...
Yes. They are soooo bad at context here tho. They are the gotcha culture.


who is they?

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Corrik7
11/30/19 1:43:21 PM
#366:


Jakyl25 posted...
He did some great things

He did some awful things
I mean his welfare state stuff was bad. All around he was pretty great.

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kevwaffles
11/30/19 1:44:02 PM
#367:


The collective everyone that ever disagrees with him in these topics.
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Corrik7
11/30/19 1:45:34 PM
#368:


kevwaffles posted...
The collective everyone that ever disagrees with him in these topics.
The collective everyone who posts snips of conversations to whine about Trump or whatever else Boogeyman / refuses to use context in their arguments. The person who said pretty much everyone in the past was awful people. The person who thinks we should be tearing down statues of our history and retroactively deeming people bad people because of the time they lived in, etc.

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Jakyl25
11/30/19 1:50:53 PM
#369:


Corrik7 posted...
The person who said pretty much everyone in the past was awful people


Well this applies to the past and the present

And probably the future!
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HeroDelTiempo17
11/30/19 2:55:05 PM
#370:


the joke is on the people in the future calling us terrible people for not giving AIs rights, because the people in the farther future think those guys are even worse since they immorally have bodies instead of existing as a swarm of sentient nanomachines

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kevwaffles
11/30/19 3:32:39 PM
#371:


Nanomachines, son!
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UItimaterializer
11/30/19 5:37:12 PM
#372:


The Newsweek reporter who lied about Trump on Thanksgiving got fired for writing fake news.

Called it. Told you so. Vindicated. MSM lying as usual.
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MoogleKupo141
11/30/19 5:38:58 PM
#373:


Corrik7 posted...
The person who said pretty much everyone in the past was awful people. The person who thinks we should be tearing down statues of our history and retroactively deeming people bad people because of the time they lived in, etc.


no ones deeming people bad because of the time they lived in, we deem people bad because of what they did

why should we be stuck with a bunch of statues of dead shitty people? lets just redecorate a bit.


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MoogleKupo141
11/30/19 5:40:27 PM
#374:


UItimaterializer posted...
The Newsweek reporter who lied about Trump on Thanksgiving got fired for writing fake news.

Called it. Told you so. Vindicated. MSM lying as usual.


how does a MSM organization punishing someone for a false story vindicate you? That suggests they are actually intolerant of lying.

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GildedFool
11/30/19 5:41:13 PM
#375:


Did I get unblocked or is that just another shitty ulti account?
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MoogleKupo141
11/30/19 5:47:55 PM
#376:


its an alt, no X

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Suprak the Stud
11/30/19 6:55:55 PM
#377:


Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik7 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Its not really asinine in this case

Conservatives say FDR was bad because of Japanese internment despite the good things he did for the country and theyre right.
FDR was great.



He did some great things

He did some awful things


Welcome to everyone ever.
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Nelson_Mandela
11/30/19 7:14:12 PM
#378:


Suprak the Stud posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik7 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Its not really asinine in this case

Conservatives say FDR was bad because of Japanese internment despite the good things he did for the country and theyre right.
FDR was great.



He did some great things

He did some awful things


Welcome to everyone ever.

Shhhh that's too nuanced for the moralists ITT
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ChaosTonyV4
11/30/19 10:18:53 PM
#379:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
Shhhh that's too nuanced for the moralists ITT


Literally everybody is saying this.

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HeroDelTiempo17
12/01/19 12:31:02 AM
#380:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Literally everybody is saying this.


Criticizing things is just ignoring the context of how everything has always been terrible, so it's best not to bring it up at all.

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Dancedreamer
12/01/19 10:25:24 AM
#381:


Is it just me or is Joe Biden's "No Malarkey" the worst campaign slogan ever?
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ChaosTonyV4
12/01/19 11:21:49 AM
#382:


What, you dont think thats a winning slogan sure to bring the youth vote in droves?

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Jakyl25
12/01/19 11:44:53 AM
#383:


Maybe a better slogan would be Remember, I worked with Obama!
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Dancedreamer
12/01/19 12:31:01 PM
#384:


...And this is the guy that's probably going to win the primaries. We're totally screwed.
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Nelson_Mandela
12/01/19 12:34:03 PM
#385:


I think it's meant to be ironic
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Suprak the Stud
12/01/19 1:19:53 PM
#386:


Obama 2008 - Biden 2020
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Nelson_Mandela
12/01/19 1:25:49 PM
#387:


Biden's consistent dominance despite the twitterati brings a smile to my face
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Corrik7
12/01/19 1:31:35 PM
#388:


Lots of yougov polls have the entire Democratic field dominating Trump. Even Kamala Harris.

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Nelson_Mandela
12/01/19 1:56:27 PM
#389:


Corrik7 posted...
Lots of yougov polls have the entire Democratic field dominating Trump. Even Kamala Harris.

Pre-primary general election polls are and have always been meaningless
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red sox 777
12/01/19 1:59:15 PM
#390:


So.....time for Congress to officially transfer the presidential residence to Mar a Lago?
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ChaosTonyV4
12/01/19 3:06:34 PM
#391:


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbE2SmV2bs#

Oh my god the cringe

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Corrik7
12/01/19 3:12:17 PM
#392:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbE2SmV2bs#

Oh my god the cringe
Them hairy legs lol

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MoogleKupo141
12/01/19 3:45:43 PM
#393:


Dancedreamer posted...
Is it just me or is Joe Biden's "No Malarkey" the worst campaign slogan ever?


i think Tim Ryan was briefly using no yelling! or some shit because Bernie is a little loud. That was pretty bad.

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Leafeon13N
12/01/19 3:51:04 PM
#394:


red sox 777 posted...
So.....time for Congress to officially transfer the presidential residence to Mar a Lago?


Would save considerable taxpayer dollars at this point.
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LordoftheMorons
12/01/19 4:10:51 PM
#395:


https://twitter.com/BudrykZack/status/1201148176322957313

Actually kinda amazing that Superman hasn't made a comeback! In addition to those points, Clark Kent is a journalist and Lex Luthor was president (albeit with about 100 IQ points on Trump).

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GuessMyUserName
12/01/19 4:34:09 PM
#396:


yeah You Don't Have To Yell is pretty unbeatable in how bad it was
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UltiWasRight
12/01/19 4:44:11 PM
#397:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbE2SmV2bs#

Oh my god the cringe

There are actually people who think this goof can beat Trump in a general election.
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Corrik7
12/01/19 4:45:00 PM
#398:


LordoftheMorons posted...
https://twitter.com/BudrykZack/status/1201148176322957313

Actually kinda amazing that Superman hasn't made a comeback! In addition to those points, Clark Kent is a journalist and Lex Luthor was president (albeit with about 100 IQ points on Trump).
Superman isn't relatable because he is too overpowered.

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SmartMuffin
12/01/19 4:47:23 PM
#399:


DNC voter survey - What do you hate most about Trump?

a. Tax cuts
b. Foreign policy
c. Collusion with Russia/Ukraine
d. Judicial appointments
e. Excessive malarkey
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LordoftheMorons
12/01/19 4:53:04 PM
#400:


Corrik7 posted...
Superman isn't relatable because he is too overpowered.
Thats only if youre writing the wrong type of Superman story!

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xp1337
12/01/19 5:14:59 PM
#401:


holy **** this is horrific

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/30/us/politics/trump-seals-eddie-gallagher.html

NYT deep dive on Gallagher with stories from other SEALs.

They report having seem him take narcotics, suspect him of shooting from a sniper's nest a schoolgirl, instructed his team to turn off their locator beacons to avoid detection from superiors. SEALs said they reported their concerns to a Lieutenant but Gallagher would frequently disregard him. Said Lieutenant was charged (though the charges were later dropped) for not reporting Gallagher for war crimes. So the SEALs started firing warning shots to warn civilians to stay out of range and one even tried to damage Gallagher's rifle to make it less accurate!

There's more too but jesus.
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Corrik7
12/01/19 5:26:13 PM
#402:


xp1337 posted...
holy **** this is horrific

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/30/us/politics/trump-seals-eddie-gallagher.html

NYT deep dive on Gallagher with stories from other SEALs.

They report having seem him take narcotics, suspect him of shooting from a sniper's nest a schoolgirl, instructed his team to turn off their locator beacons to avoid detection from superiors. SEALs said they reported their concerns to a Lieutenant but Gallagher would frequently disregard him. Said Lieutenant was charged (though the charges were later dropped) for not reporting Gallagher for war crimes. So the SEALs started firing warning shots to warn civilians to stay out of range and one even tried to damage Gallagher's rifle to make it less accurate!

There's more too but jesus.
Nothing much really new there. He was found innocent on most of those charges because they were unable to be proven.

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LordoftheMorons
12/01/19 5:29:35 PM
#403:


xp1337 posted...
holy **** this is horrific

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/30/us/politics/trump-seals-eddie-gallagher.html

NYT deep dive on Gallagher with stories from other SEALs.

They report having seem him take narcotics, suspect him of shooting from a sniper's nest a schoolgirl, instructed his team to turn off their locator beacons to avoid detection from superiors. SEALs said they reported their concerns to a Lieutenant but Gallagher would frequently disregard him. Said Lieutenant was charged (though the charges were later dropped) for not reporting Gallagher for war crimes. So the SEALs started firing warning shots to warn civilians to stay out of range and one even tried to damage Gallagher's rifle to make it less accurate!

There's more too but jesus.
Fucking disgusting. And Trump interfered on his behalf because Gallagher is a monster, not despite of it.

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