Poll of the Day > Another Day, Another Walmart Mass Shooting...

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/police-several-wounded-shooting-oklahoma-163128434.html

And there was another Mass Shooting in Fresno over the Weekend...

My uncle had left about 10 minutes before it happened. My grandma said if it had been a few hours later she wouldve been there.

So people shot in a parking lot.
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I'd rather lunatics shoot up walmarts than schools if I'm allowed to vote on this
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So glad Walmart's stance on guns and ammo has prevented the shootings. Gun control really works

CTLM posted...

So glad Walmart's stance on guns and ammo has prevented the shootings. Gun control really works

Maybe if we had actual legislation we could find out
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Mead posted...

CTLM posted...

So glad Walmart's stance on guns and ammo has prevented the shootings. Gun control really works

Maybe if we had actual legislation we could find out

Legislation or enforcement? Because there's a shit ton of laws on the books regarding guns across our country. But the whole "criminals don't follow laws" thing makes the laws irrelevant

CTLM posted...

Mead posted...

CTLM posted...

So glad Walmart's stance on guns and ammo has prevented the shootings. Gun control really works

Maybe if we had actual legislation we could find out

Legislation or enforcement? Because there's a shit ton of laws on the books regarding guns across our country. But the whole "criminals don't follow laws" thing makes the laws irrelevant

Thats stupid logic unless you disagree with all laws of any kind

Obviously criminals break the law. Thats what makes them criminals. Doesnt mean we shouldnt have rules.
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Mead posted...

CTLM posted...

Mead posted...

CTLM posted...

So glad Walmart's stance on guns and ammo has prevented the shootings. Gun control really works

Maybe if we had actual legislation we could find out

Legislation or enforcement? Because there's a shit ton of laws on the books regarding guns across our country. But the whole "criminals don't follow laws" thing makes the laws irrelevant

Thats stupid logic unless you disagree with all laws of any kind

Obviously criminals break the law. Thats what makes them criminals. Doesnt mean we shouldnt have rules.

Never said we shouldn't have rules. We already have a lot of them. But adding more won't make any difference because, as I said, some people will disregard them anyways. All it does is punish the law abiding citizens.

CTLM posted...

Mead posted...

CTLM posted...

So glad Walmart's stance on guns and ammo has prevented the shootings. Gun control really works

Maybe if we had actual legislation we could find out

Legislation or enforcement? Because there's a shit ton of laws on the books regarding guns across our country. But the whole "criminals don't follow laws" thing makes the laws irrelevant

California has some of the most extreme restrictions around. The only thing left for them to do here in California really is to just start taking the guns away. And that is their end goal. They don't actually give a shit about the shootings. They just see it as a thing to rally behind to get enough people outraged so they can do what they've wanted to do all along. Which is to take guns away and get rid of the second amendment.


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Mead posted...

Obviously criminals break the law. Thats what makes them criminals. Doesnt mean we shouldnt have rules.

Id say its more of a case of the system not properly enforcing those rules we already have. there has been a disturbing amount of mass shooters that have gotten past the system, where the FBI specifically stated they shouldnt have if the people in charge actually did their job (including parkland, Dylann Roof, texas church shooter ect).

Dark_Spiret posted...

Mead posted...

Obviously criminals break the law. Thats what makes them criminals. Doesnt mean we shouldnt have rules.

Id say its more of a case of the system not properly enforcing those rules we already have. there has been a disturbing amount of mass shooters that have gotten past the system, where the FBI specifically stated they shouldnt have if the people in charge actually did their job (including parkland, Dylann Roof, texas church shooter ect).

Its almost like the gun manufacturers shouldnt be able to make and sell so many damn weapons in the country
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CTLM posted...

So glad Walmart's stance on guns and ammo has prevented the shootings. Gun control really works

This.

It turns out that when your life is on the line, no policy, police, nor government can save you. This is why you should exercise your inalienable right to carry a firearm folks.

BeerOnTap posted...

CTLM posted...

So glad Walmart's stance on guns and ammo has prevented the shootings. Gun control really works

This.

It turns out that when your life is on the line, no policy, police, nor government can save you. This is why you should exercise your inalienable right to carry a firearm folks.

Thank goodness that shooter had unimpeded access to a firearm, imagine the alternative!
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Mead posted...

Dark_Spiret posted...

Mead posted...

Obviously criminals break the law. Thats what makes them criminals. Doesnt mean we shouldnt have rules.

Id say its more of a case of the system not properly enforcing those rules we already have. there has been a disturbing amount of mass shooters that have gotten past the system, where the FBI specifically stated they shouldnt have if the people in charge actually did their job (including parkland, Dylann Roof, texas church shooter ect).

Its almost like the gun manufacturers shouldnt be able to make and sell so many damn weapons in the country

You ready to say this about car manufacturers making cars? Because they kill more people annually than guns do.
And when you remove gun suicides then its not even close.

Mead posted...

BeerOnTap posted...

CTLM posted...

So glad Walmart's stance on guns and ammo has prevented the shootings. Gun control really works

This.

It turns out that when your life is on the line, no policy, police, nor government can save you. This is why you should exercise your inalienable right to carry a firearm folks.

Thank goodness that shooter had unimpeded access to a firearm, imagine the alternative!

An unarmed society that is at the mercy of a tyrannical government, just like whats going on in Hong Kong right now?

BeerOnTap posted...

Mead posted...

BeerOnTap posted...

CTLM posted...

So glad Walmart's stance on guns and ammo has prevented the shootings. Gun control really works

This.

It turns out that when your life is on the line, no policy, police, nor government can save you. This is why you should exercise your inalienable right to carry a firearm folks.

Thank goodness that shooter had unimpeded access to a firearm, imagine the alternative!

An unarmed society that is at the mercy of a tyrannical government, just like whats going on in Hong Kong right now?

Nobody is arguing for an unarmed society

I bet you think everyone wants open borders too
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BeerOnTap posted...

Mead posted...

Dark_Spiret posted...

Mead posted...

Obviously criminals break the law. Thats what makes them criminals. Doesnt mean we shouldnt have rules.

Id say its more of a case of the system not properly enforcing those rules we already have. there has been a disturbing amount of mass shooters that have gotten past the system, where the FBI specifically stated they shouldnt have if the people in charge actually did their job (including parkland, Dylann Roof, texas church shooter ect).

Its almost like the gun manufacturers shouldnt be able to make and sell so many damn weapons in the country

You ready to say this about car manufacturers making cars? Because they kill more people annually than guns do.
And when you remove gun suicides then its not even close.

And cars are actually regulated far more than firearms

So nice
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Mead posted...

BeerOnTap posted...

Mead posted...

Dark_Spiret posted...

Mead posted...

Obviously criminals break the law. Thats what makes them criminals. Doesnt mean we shouldnt have rules.

Id say its more of a case of the system not properly enforcing those rules we already have. there has been a disturbing amount of mass shooters that have gotten past the system, where the FBI specifically stated they shouldnt have if the people in charge actually did their job (including parkland, Dylann Roof, texas church shooter ect).

Its almost like the gun manufacturers shouldnt be able to make and sell so many damn weapons in the country

You ready to say this about car manufacturers making cars? Because they kill more people annually than guns do.
And when you remove gun suicides then its not even close.

And cars are actually regulated far more than firearms

So nice

Except they arent, at all. When have you done a federal background check to buy a car? When have you had to wait a mandatory waiting period to receive your car you just bought.

You didnt think your point through at all, and it shows.

BeerOnTap posted...

Mead posted...

BeerOnTap posted...

Mead posted...

Dark_Spiret posted...

Mead posted...

Obviously criminals break the law. Thats what makes them criminals. Doesnt mean we shouldnt have rules.

Id say its more of a case of the system not properly enforcing those rules we already have. there has been a disturbing amount of mass shooters that have gotten past the system, where the FBI specifically stated they shouldnt have if the people in charge actually did their job (including parkland, Dylann Roof, texas church shooter ect).

Its almost like the gun manufacturers shouldnt be able to make and sell so many damn weapons in the country

You ready to say this about car manufacturers making cars? Because they kill more people annually than guns do.
And when you remove gun suicides then its not even close.

And cars are actually regulated far more than firearms

So nice

Except they arent, at all. When have you done a federal background check to buy a car? When have you had to wait a mandatory waiting period to receive your car you just bought.

You didnt think your point through at all, and it shows.

Drivers license, mandatory insurance, registration and renewal, emissions testing


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Mead posted...

Drivers license, mandatory insurance, registration and renewal, emissions testing

if you wanted to drive on public roads. similarly if you wanted to carry a gun around on public streets most states (atleast 2/3rds of them) require a concealed license, even for open carry in some states. which requires extra costs, tests, renewals and training along with possible handgun registration (such as my state).

anyway there is also a much bigger reason why cars are as regulated as they are, because they have to be. they are largely needed in day to day life which means hundreds of millions of 2000lbs hunks of metal going side by side with other chunks of metal with a bunch of human meat inside that need to adhere and know 100 different rules and regulations (as opposed to literally 4 to safely operate a gun) on how to operate them otherwise someone can make a mistake (and unlike guns which usually means one casualty) which can result in multitudes of dead people.

if you wanted to drive on public roads.

That tends to be where people drive so
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CTLM posted...

So glad Walmart's stance on guns and ammo has prevented the shootings. Gun control really works

I love it when people outright pretend gun control is pointless.

I don't see any mass shootings in Germany

*Sees person die in car crash with seatbelt*

The next Conservative: car safety regulations are useless, get rid of them all

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Yellow posted...

CTLM posted...

So glad Walmart's stance on guns and ammo has prevented the shootings. Gun control really works

I love it when people outright pretend gun control is pointless.

I don't see any mass shootings in Germany

*Sees person die in car crash with seatbelt*

The next Conservative: car safety regulations are useless, get rid of them all

The only way to stop a bad driver from causing an accident is for a good driver to cause one
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This sounds more directed. I think it was someone out for revenge.

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Yellow posted...

I don't see any mass shootings in Germany

less guns = less gun violence. thats just how things work. however that doesnt necessarily equate to less violence or less crime (specific types usually shoot up drastically after gun bans like home invasions, rapes and suspiciously arson deaths which shot up 50% for 10 years after Australias buy back) unless you want to dive deeper into what causes those aspects and the US has FAR less of the things that tend to help keep people in check and resort to violence. worse political divides, more blatant racial divide, wider pay gaps with less off time, more homelessness, less healthcare for all, large drug epidemic, glorification of violence in general (especially in inner city gang life) and many other things that tend to make people get unhinged and resort to violence. getting rid of guns is like putting a band aid on a tumor, it might even be worse considering guns DO act as a deterrent.

if the US actually had more social safety nets youd probably see a homicide rate more akin to other euro nations. as it stands for a country of 330million which has anywhere from 350-500million guns in 100million peoples hands the amount of actual death attributed to them is exceptionally low. now thats not to say we shouldnt try to still curve the numbers, but its definitely FAR from an epidemic the way many would have you fear mongered into believing. if guns cause so much death with that many in civilians hands then the US should be a mad max apocalypse right now.

Dark_Spiret posted...

ess guns = less gun violence

Its almost like we need fewer guns


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Mead posted...

Its almost like we need fewer guns

its almost as if it wont solve the problem, but make people more vulnerable.

Dark_Spiret posted...

its almost as if it wont solve the problem, but make people more vulnerable.

I always want to take this side but I never feel like I have enough arguments to make a point...

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So what happens when you make guns illegal and shootings still happen?
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Peterass posted...

So what happens when you make guns illegal and shootings still happen?

No one wants guns to be illegal

But if you did there would be less.

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Peterass posted...

So what happens when you make guns illegal and shootings still happen?

The bullets go to prison
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Dark_Spiret posted...

Mead posted...

Its almost like we need fewer guns

its almost as if it wont solve the problem, but make people more vulnerable.

Fewer doesnt mean none
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So where were the good civilians with guns?
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Peterass posted...

So what happens when you make guns illegal and shootings still happen?

Every time I think I want to side with those in favor of firearms freedom I see something like this and it comes across as a bad take...

I honestly think I'm on the wrong side but I can't convince myself that I agree that gun ownership is past the point of okay.

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CTLM posted...

So glad Walmart's stance on guns and ammo has prevented the shootings. Gun control really works

Imagine thinking comments like this were rational or meant anything.

Until we stop using violence to solve global problems, people will continue to use violence to solve local problems. But since the world leaders view war as a profitable industry, you might as well arm yourself.

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Blighboy posted...

I'd rather lunatics shoot up walmarts than schools if I'm allowed to vote on this

It might be selfish, but as someone that works at Walmart, I disagree.

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BlackScythe0 posted...

CTLM posted...

So glad Walmart's stance on guns and ammo has prevented the shootings. Gun control really works

Imagine thinking comments like this were rational or meant anything.

Imagine thinking it was anything other than sarcasm

Yellow posted...

CTLM posted...

So glad Walmart's stance on guns and ammo has prevented the shootings. Gun control really works

I love it when people outright pretend gun control is pointless.

I don't see any mass shootings in Germany

*Sees person die in car crash with seatbelt*

The next Conservative: car safety regulations are useless, get rid of them all

Gun control helps. It is not the answer. What do people demand any time there is a shooting? More regulations and control laws. It is like throwing water on a drowning person at this point.

You certainly like to think in extremes. I have yet to see one person say we need to abolish ALL forms of laws and gun controls, yet that is your go-to

CTLM posted...

I have yet to see one person say we need to abolish ALL forms of laws and gun controls, yet that is your go-to

Yet countless folks like to act like anyone that wants the senate to pass even moderate firearm legislation is trying to break into homes and rip guns out of defenseless childrens cribs
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TyVulpine posted...

So where were the good civilians with guns?

On site, contributing to ending the situation

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7698537/Three-people-dead-shooting-Oklahoma-Walmart.html
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Mead posted...

Yet countless folks like to act like anyone that wants the senate to pass even moderate firearm legislation is trying to break into homes and rip guns out of defenseless childrens cribs

Because you can look at places like california, new york and new jersey and many other countries to see where those who are in charge want the conversation to go. california has nearly everything gun control activists want and yet shootings still happen daily and they are still pumping out gun control laws with little to no results. countries who barely ever have shootings are implementing even more laws to clamp down on its citizens specifically because of what happens in the US regardless. its just never ever enough.

just look at the universal background check bill that got shot down recently in the senate. just after the last school shooting you had a ton of people blaming mitch mcconnell (well, theres no shortage of shit to blame on him regardless) that that bill could have stopped it despite it 100% not being what the bill does. a good chunk of people DO want to take peoples guns (Pelosi has stated this on numerous occasions and more recently Beto), they just know not to open their gobs too much until their voted in office. now more and more are not hiding it.

now do i personally think most democrats want to take everyones guns away? no. i think most just want UBC's, mag limits, maybe an AWB(which is fucking awful in its own right) or red flag laws (which is even worse than an AWB) and will leave it at that (tho i also believe most dont really know what a lot of the bills entail they just want something, anything passed to make themselves feel good). however those people are not who get voted into office and those who get voted into office are not listening to those people. they are listening to the loudest screeching vocal minority.

Dark_Spiret posted...

a good chunk of people DO want to take peoples guns

Yet thats not at all the kind of legislation that the senate refuses to pass

Im so tired of the whole, that method wont work, we should instead do nothing argument
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Mead posted...

Yet thats not at all the kind of legislation that the senate refuses to pass

Do those bills entail an AWB or Red Flag laws? cause if so then yeah they want to take way peoples guns. does it include a universal background check? a UBC thats impossible to enforce without registration that makes it easier to take peoples guns?

The Walmart at home just opened this week after the shooting in August.

Dark_Spiret posted...

Do those bills entail an AWB or Red Flag laws? cause if so then yeah they want to take way peoples guns

Imagine thinking that someone exhibiting signs that theyre unstable and violent should not have their guns taken away
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Peterass posted...

So what happens when you make guns illegal and shootings still happen?

Guns are illegal in Jamaica, but there are other factors that contribute to it being a fertile ground for gun violence (drugs, corruption, etc.)

The issue is more nuanced than guns vs no guns in the US. It's also more a cultural issue more than anything. From my experience, people I've met in EU feel a lot safer with there not being guns everywhere in comparison to USA. Not only that, but any impactful change in the law, has to be done on a federal level as it's not like states can secure their borders like countries.

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Mead posted...

Imagine thinking that someone exhibiting signs that theyre unstable and violent should not have their guns taken away

imagine someone gets to have their private property taken away that they have a constitutional right to have because a girl friend had a grudge to pick. and have fun with the lawyer fees getting them back (undamaged).

Dark_Spiret posted...

Mead posted...

Imagine thinking that someone exhibiting signs that theyre unstable and violent should not have their guns taken away

imagine someone gets to have their private property taken away that they have a constitutional right to have because a girl friend had a grudge to pick. and have fun with the lawyer fees getting them back (undamaged).

Absolute bananaland logic
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Mead posted...

Dark_Spiret posted...

Mead posted...

Imagine thinking that someone exhibiting signs that theyre unstable and violent should not have their guns taken away

imagine someone gets to have their private property taken away that they have a constitutional right to have because a girl friend had a grudge to pick. and have fun with the lawyer fees getting them back (undamaged).

Absolute bananaland logic

You say that but it happens. All it takes is for someone to say you're suicidal and the cops can take your guns. Someone can even hint you have bad intentions with guns and they're taken away.

Bad people shouldn't have guns, but good people shouldn't have theirs taken away