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LinkPizza
11/17/19 9:31:05 PM
#51:


Monopoman posted...
LinkPizza posted...
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You are right. I wasn't really reading what you said because it's all babbling to me. It was a simple example of how easy $800 can come by. I do not understand people like you who thinks $800 is for rich people. If you can't even afford $800 then may be just play cheaper games.

If you dont have other bills, maybe $800 is simple to come by. Its not that $800 is for rich people. But thats a big purchase to most people. Most people dont have $800 of play money a month. I dont understand you who thinks that people who pay bills and stuff will always just have $800 to do whatever with. Its easy to come by $800. But it doesnt matter if you month rent is bills is about twice as much. And that makes ok sense to say if you cant afford $800, just play cheaper games. It just sounds like you either have no responsibilities, or you have much more money than the average person...

You realize you can set some money aside right? Even if you don't have $800 per month of play money if you have say $150-200 of play money saving up for 4 months gets you that $800. It's not like you need to buy a PC every 4 months or something it's a purchase most make ever 3-4 years or longer.

I know. But he way they were talking about it in the first post made it sound like you should be able to get it in the first month, even if all you had was a minimal wage, part-time job.
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wolfy42
11/17/19 9:56:42 PM
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Canada is different then the US of course, but here, you can save up even doing a part time job, although it depends where you are (as some places still have a really low min wage).

Anywhere with a $15 an hour min wage (more places then you would think), though, and you could pretty much get a new comp in 2 months working 3 days a week (24 hours a week).

Taxes are pretty much non-existant at that rate (15*24=360 a week or $1440 a month).

After taxes (less then 10%) you still net $1300 take home.

Must rent a room ($500 is a good medium cost here, it's available everywhere (Even hawaii and Brooklyn/Cali...just REALLY good deals there).

Avoid massive expenses and eat for $50 a week. Aim for a total cost per month of $800.

That leaves $500 in savings per months......you can get a new computer in 2 months that way (and if you have a credit card of any type, get it right away and pay it off in 2 months).

MEanwhile if you really want a good computer (especially gaming laptop) look at buying used. My current laptop runs everything, has a 4g GPU and 16G ram, it's an Omen that was originally $1200 (Got it on sale a few years ago for $900. It currently is sold used for $400 and it's future proof still for games for a few years.

People want to upgrade to the newest stuff, also my comp doesn't work with occulus etc (even though it advertised as VR compatible, it wasn't).

That makes people want to sell it....and get something else...so it's a fairly cheap option if you just want a decent portable gaming machine. I play all the new games with no problem at all (most recently the outer worlds at max settings).

Not sure how thigns work in Canada or how uch you make at your job etc, but most people are wasting a TON of money on things that are not really that important. Even if you rent a room, if you look around and don't rush it, you can get privacy, your own bathroom...and if your lucky like me an entire basement/downstairs to yourself (same as your own apartment) but for a fraction of a price.

Renting your own apartment here (1 bedroom or even studio) is at least $1k (studio maybe 900)....I'm renting my basement (living room that I use as a huge bedroom + bedroom + bathroom + fridge area) for $575. I bought an intant pot, and had a microwave/tea maker/toaster etc down here already.....so I don't even have to use the kitchen upstairs.

If you take your time and look for something like that, you can cut your expenses down significantly, without sacrificing much at all. That allows you to live on a min wage/part time job easily. What is more, you can spend time looking for a BETTER part time job (at least that tips on top of min wage), and then really start saving money.
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Revelation34
11/17/19 10:03:49 PM
#53:


acesxhigh posted...
Revelation34 posted...
How do you get banned from Overwatch for a crashing computer?

they treat it like an abandon


I hope it wasn't a permanent ban.
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VeeVees
11/17/19 10:12:10 PM
#54:


LinkPizza posted...
Monopoman posted...
LinkPizza posted...
VeeVees posted...
You are right. I wasn't really reading what you said because it's all babbling to me. It was a simple example of how easy $800 can come by. I do not understand people like you who thinks $800 is for rich people. If you can't even afford $800 then may be just play cheaper games.

If you dont have other bills, maybe $800 is simple to come by. Its not that $800 is for rich people. But thats a big purchase to most people. Most people dont have $800 of play money a month. I dont understand you who thinks that people who pay bills and stuff will always just have $800 to do whatever with. Its easy to come by $800. But it doesnt matter if you month rent is bills is about twice as much. And that makes ok sense to say if you cant afford $800, just play cheaper games. It just sounds like you either have no responsibilities, or you have much more money than the average person...

You realize you can set some money aside right? Even if you don't have $800 per month of play money if you have say $150-200 of play money saving up for 4 months gets you that $800. It's not like you need to buy a PC every 4 months or something it's a purchase most make ever 3-4 years or longer.

I know. But he way they were talking about it in the first post made it sound like you should be able to get it in the first month, even if all you had was a minimal wage, part-time job.

You ARE able to get that much money in one month part time. You just added a bunch of irrelevant expenses that has nothing to do with the post at all.
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LinkPizza
11/17/19 10:15:22 PM
#55:


VeeVees posted...
LinkPizza posted...
Monopoman posted...
LinkPizza posted...
VeeVees posted...
You are right. I wasn't really reading what you said because it's all babbling to me. It was a simple example of how easy $800 can come by. I do not understand people like you who thinks $800 is for rich people. If you can't even afford $800 then may be just play cheaper games.

If you dont have other bills, maybe $800 is simple to come by. Its not that $800 is for rich people. But thats a big purchase to most people. Most people dont have $800 of play money a month. I dont understand you who thinks that people who pay bills and stuff will always just have $800 to do whatever with. Its easy to come by $800. But it doesnt matter if you month rent is bills is about twice as much. And that makes ok sense to say if you cant afford $800, just play cheaper games. It just sounds like you either have no responsibilities, or you have much more money than the average person...

You realize you can set some money aside right? Even if you don't have $800 per month of play money if you have say $150-200 of play money saving up for 4 months gets you that $800. It's not like you need to buy a PC every 4 months or something it's a purchase most make ever 3-4 years or longer.

I know. But he way they were talking about it in the first post made it sound like you should be able to get it in the first month, even if all you had was a minimal wage, part-time job.

You ARE able to get that much money in one month part time. You just added a bunch of irrelevant expenses that has nothing to do with the post at all.

Because most people have those expenses. It's not like only a few people pay rent and bills. And depending on where you live, you would get enough taxes taken out that you probably wouldn't even make that $800. As that minimun wage part time job gets you about $880. And you would probably get at least $100 taken out for taxes. So probably not...
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LinkPizza
11/17/19 10:19:46 PM
#56:


wolfy42 posted...
Anywhere with a $15 an hour min wage (more places then you would think)

DC. Every where else is lower, I believe. California is going to be $13.00 soon. And Washington will be $13.50 soon. Both are currently $12.00. The rest are, and apparently will be, $12.00 and under...

wolfy42 posted...
and you could pretty much get a new comp in 2 months working 3 days a week (24 hours a week).

Taxes are pretty much non-existant at that rate (15*24=360 a week or $1440 a month).

After taxes (less then 10%) you still net $1300 take home.

Must rent a room ($500 is a good medium cost here, it's available everywhere (Even hawaii and Brooklyn/Cali...just REALLY good deals there).

Avoid massive expenses and eat for $50 a week. Aim for a total cost per month of $800.

That leaves $500 in savings per months......you can get a new computer in 2 months that way (and if you have a credit card of any type, get it right away and pay it off in 2 months).

The problem with that is making people move out of their homes just to save to get a computer. And changing their whole life style. If we're talking about moving into a cheap place and changing their life style, many expensive things become cheap and easy to afford. Though, most people also have families to take care off. Even without that, some poeple also have things like car insurance, money for fuel, and possibly a car payment... And you didn't mention utilities. Some places come with them, some don't.
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RoboXgp89
11/17/19 10:30:22 PM
#57:


PCs arent' even worth upgrading
i spent like 1400 on my computer five years ago
and it still runs things fine
the gtx 2070 would just bottle neck and overheat, crash the system
my 970 ran better than the 2070
so i would've have to build a completely different system with a new OS to even run it
the returns just weren't worth the investment
ps5 and scarlett will be out soon so you might as well just buy those instead since the games will be optimized for them
1080p 60fps is really all you need
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RoboXgp89
11/17/19 10:32:22 PM
#58:


for example
a 1060gtx
a mobo with the most expensive cpu you can pop in it, like something a 8800k would fit into
16gb of memory
you could get that for under 440$
and then when you have the money you could upgrade it
that's what i'd do if i was in your situation
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wolfy42
11/17/19 10:36:46 PM
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No utilities when renting a room (some do, but you spend the time to find a room for $500 that includes utilities and internet).

It's $15 alot of places actually, Seattle for instance (believe it might be going up past that), The bay area in CA, Manhattan NY etc. Many other places will be going up to $15 starting Jan 1 2020 as well. Like I said, more places then you would think (I have no clue how many, but many places don't advertise it much so it's not common knowledge).

And large areas are going up to over $12 an hour starting next year. All of washington state is going to 13.50 as of Jan 1st 2020 for instance.

I believe the house etc is trying to pass a bill to make the fed min wage $15 as well.

Also, if you have a family it's always a deal changer. My post is only for people who have no responsibilities for other people. If you have a SO that actually makes things CHEAPER...but if you have kids etc..dependants, that is a different story.

The main problem is most people believe they need to rent their own place, and doing so eats up a ton of any income they have. Rental prices are extreme, but room rental price, have not increased in proportion. The last place I rented was $370 a month (not including utilities/internet which came to about $40 a month). I didn't have my own bathroom though which I really didn't like.

If you can get 3 friends together though, you can often get a 3 bedroom apartment for about $1200...which is $400 each...and doesn't require luck/skill/persistence in finding a good deal/room.

That is a HUGE reduction in expenses per month. Also a car (as long as you buy a cheap one) doesn't cost much, although it is an additional expense (insurance + licensing + gas = $50 a month probably).

A car is nice but in most cities not needed...and if your just working a min wage job, you can work near where you live for sure. I'm considering ditching mine (Selling them) and just using uber. They did drop the licensing fee from $300 to $30 though, so that reduces the cost...but I pay $50 a month on insurance, and with a bike I could get to most of the places I go, and just use uber on the longer trips (and still spend about the same amount).
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wwinterj25
11/17/19 10:45:31 PM
#60:


VeeVees posted...
If you can't even afford $800 then may be you should just play low end games.


Well at least you gave the TC a choice. He wouldn't have had one otherwise.

VeeVees posted...
You ARE able to get that much money in one month part time. You just added a bunch of irrelevant expenses that has nothing to do with the post at all.


Ah so that's the trick. Live your life. Gotcha.
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VeeVees
11/17/19 10:52:15 PM
#61:


LinkPizza posted...
VeeVees posted...
LinkPizza posted...
Monopoman posted...
LinkPizza posted...
VeeVees posted...
You are right. I wasn't really reading what you said because it's all babbling to me. It was a simple example of how easy $800 can come by. I do not understand people like you who thinks $800 is for rich people. If you can't even afford $800 then may be just play cheaper games.

If you dont have other bills, maybe $800 is simple to come by. Its not that $800 is for rich people. But thats a big purchase to most people. Most people dont have $800 of play money a month. I dont understand you who thinks that people who pay bills and stuff will always just have $800 to do whatever with. Its easy to come by $800. But it doesnt matter if you month rent is bills is about twice as much. And that makes ok sense to say if you cant afford $800, just play cheaper games. It just sounds like you either have no responsibilities, or you have much more money than the average person...

You realize you can set some money aside right? Even if you don't have $800 per month of play money if you have say $150-200 of play money saving up for 4 months gets you that $800. It's not like you need to buy a PC every 4 months or something it's a purchase most make ever 3-4 years or longer.

I know. But he way they were talking about it in the first post made it sound like you should be able to get it in the first month, even if all you had was a minimal wage, part-time job.

You ARE able to get that much money in one month part time. You just added a bunch of irrelevant expenses that has nothing to do with the post at all.

Because most people have those expenses. It's not like only a few people pay rent and bills. And depending on where you live, you would get enough taxes taken out that you probably wouldn't even make that $800. As that minimun wage part time job gets you about $880. And you would probably get at least $100 taken out for taxes. So probably not...

And most people also don't just work part time at minimum wage. All of those are totally irrelevant.
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LinkPizza
11/17/19 10:54:39 PM
#62:


In the end, you're still telling someone to move and change their whole lifestyle to save for a new computer. Moving has it's own expenses. And nobody wants to move the save up for a computer faster...

Idk. I found a list online. It could be wrong, though. The federal was $7.25. And I mentioned the states. Now, some cities and counties have different amounts for them. But those can change and go down, as the state seems to have lower amounts... Some are also based on the number of employees, as well...

Family can be a deal changer. But it could make things worse, as well... Depends on the family...

Most people want their own place because of living situations. For some people, a room isn't enough if you're in a relationship. For others, they have pets. Other just down want to live in a room. Either way, no one is going to move to save for a computer... Or for most things, unless it's like a house or car... And even then...

You can get friends, if you have any in the area. For people in the military or far from home, that's not always easy...

The cheaper the car, the more money it usually cost. Fixing it and stuff, tbh... My old car has probably cost me more than my newtruck. And my new truck hasn't really given me any problem for the last 4-5 years of so...

Depends on the city. I have buses, but they only run from 6-6. Para-transit run longer, but could end up costing more than gas, depending on the situation. And you may be able to work near where you live. If there are jobs close to you AND they are hiring. So, not a giving or guarantee... And uber is expensive. At least it is here. You might as well have a car. You'll be paying a shit ton for ubers. And cities are worse. More traffic...
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LinkPizza
11/17/19 10:56:20 PM
#63:


VeeVees posted...
LinkPizza posted...
VeeVees posted...
LinkPizza posted...
Monopoman posted...
LinkPizza posted...
VeeVees posted...
You are right. I wasn't really reading what you said because it's all babbling to me. It was a simple example of how easy $800 can come by. I do not understand people like you who thinks $800 is for rich people. If you can't even afford $800 then may be just play cheaper games.

If you dont have other bills, maybe $800 is simple to come by. Its not that $800 is for rich people. But thats a big purchase to most people. Most people dont have $800 of play money a month. I dont understand you who thinks that people who pay bills and stuff will always just have $800 to do whatever with. Its easy to come by $800. But it doesnt matter if you month rent is bills is about twice as much. And that makes ok sense to say if you cant afford $800, just play cheaper games. It just sounds like you either have no responsibilities, or you have much more money than the average person...

You realize you can set some money aside right? Even if you don't have $800 per month of play money if you have say $150-200 of play money saving up for 4 months gets you that $800. It's not like you need to buy a PC every 4 months or something it's a purchase most make ever 3-4 years or longer.

I know. But he way they were talking about it in the first post made it sound like you should be able to get it in the first month, even if all you had was a minimal wage, part-time job.

You ARE able to get that much money in one month part time. You just added a bunch of irrelevant expenses that has nothing to do with the post at all.

Because most people have those expenses. It's not like only a few people pay rent and bills. And depending on where you live, you would get enough taxes taken out that you probably wouldn't even make that $800. As that minimun wage part time job gets you about $880. And you would probably get at least $100 taken out for taxes. So probably not...

And most people also don't just work part time at minimum wage. All of those are totally irrelevant.

Except it's not irrelevant. You're saying you could easily do it with a part time minimum wage job, which you probably can't, since you'll get less than the $800 you need. Taxes and bills do count. Just because you have another job doesn't mean that job will cover everything. That's probably why you got the second job.
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wwinterj25
11/17/19 10:59:04 PM
#64:


Stop feeding him.
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VeeVees
11/17/19 11:04:26 PM
#65:


It IS irrelevant. The part time covers the cost of the computer. $11 is rounded down on the lowest minimum wage province. He most likely will make more. That was the only point. Every other bs assumption you added is irrelevant.
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LinkPizza
11/17/19 11:28:25 PM
#66:


That's if you have enough time and money already. If you don't have enough money, that's why you would get the second job... And that's if you get enough hours...
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VeeVees
11/17/19 11:30:20 PM
#67:


LinkPizza posted...
That's if you have enough time and money already. If you don't have enough money, that's why you would get the second job... And that's if you get enough hours...

What the fuck are you even talking about? He is already paying his current expenses with whatever means he's currently employing, is he not? If he's looking for a new pc then that means he has money on the side.
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HornedLion
11/17/19 11:31:57 PM
#68:


PCs arent like consoles, bro.

Consoles are like that p2w armor you get from an MMO.

PCs are something you get one piece at a time. Like the video card, screen, motherboard, etc. You dont buy it all in one shot unless you have money like that. Instead you acquire a piece at a time, through hard work at your job. Week after week. Like those rare and untradeable godly pieces of armor in an MMO.

In the end, the PC will be worth more than the console, and much more powerful.
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wwinterj25
11/17/19 11:44:10 PM
#69:


VeeVees posted...
If he's looking for a new pc then that means he has money on the side.


As far as I'm aware the TC is just doing research.
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LinkPizza
11/18/19 12:13:12 AM
#70:


VeeVees posted...
LinkPizza posted...
That's if you have enough time and money already. If you don't have enough money, that's why you would get the second job... And that's if you get enough hours...

What the fuck are you even talking about? He is already paying his current expenses with whatever means he's currently employing, is he not? If he's looking for a new pc then that means he has money on the side.

But does he have the time?
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Revelation34
11/18/19 12:32:48 AM
#71:


HornedLion posted...
PCs arent like consoles, bro.

Consoles are like that p2w armor you get from an MMO.

PCs are something you get one piece at a time. Like the video card, screen, motherboard, etc. You dont buy it all in one shot unless you have money like that. Instead you acquire a piece at a time, through hard work at your job. Week after week. Like those rare and untradeable godly pieces of armor in an MMO.

In the end, the PC will be worth more than the console, and much more powerful.


And then all those pieces are obsolete when you finally get every single piece.
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acesxhigh
11/18/19 12:51:18 AM
#72:


no way I could afford a PC on minimum wage. that shit sucks. I don't think I could even pay rent.

The only reason I'm looking to get a gaming PC is that $800 is like, less than my weekly net income and I just paid off my student loan. if my salary was any lower or I had any major debt I definitely couldn't bring myself to spend that much on games.
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Doctor Foxx
11/18/19 1:02:01 AM
#73:


Have you peeked at Memory Express?

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wolfy42
11/18/19 1:12:08 AM
#74:


Honestly a PC is one of the best investments you can make since with an internet connect it offers unlimited entertainment opportunities for free.

Considering you'll use a PC for years (at least 4), even a $2000 PC/Laptop is very worth it.....basically a high end one will end up costing you maybe $1 a day max over it's life.

Totally worth it, even if you are barely getting by. It's probably one of the only things I would suggest getting on credit (which honestly I never do).
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Metalsonic66
11/18/19 1:58:38 PM
#75:


Revelation34 posted...
And then all those pieces are obsolete when you finally get every single piece.
That's gonna happen no matter what

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Revelation34
11/18/19 1:59:29 PM
#76:


Metalsonic66 posted...
That's gonna happen no matter what


That's true but it would be easier to upgrade if you can just buy all the parts at once and go from there.
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Metalsonic66
11/18/19 2:05:21 PM
#77:


Not really. Most parts can be switched out willy-nilly whenever he feels like it. And he's obviously not looking at top-of-the-line parts anyway

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ArvTheGreat
11/18/19 2:35:43 PM
#78:


arv thought everyone here worked like 5 jobs made 50/hr could afford anything and post while they are at work
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SunWuKung420
11/18/19 2:48:27 PM
#79:


The price of pcs is why I just went back to console gaming.

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VeeVees
11/18/19 3:03:58 PM
#80:


SunWuKung420 posted...
The price of pcs is why I just went back to console gaming.

so you just pay couple hundred for a console, couple hundred for an average computer, a bit extra on games, and then a bit more for online to play multiplayer? nice savings.
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Revelation34
11/18/19 4:26:24 PM
#81:


VeeVees posted...
so you just pay couple hundred for a console, couple hundred for an average computer, a bit extra on games, and then a bit more for online to play multiplayer? nice savings.


Well the advantage consoles has over PC is no Denuvo. So worth having a console if you can afford it for those games.
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magemaximus
11/18/19 4:38:29 PM
#82:


Yep. Always laughed up at people saying you can build a pc that can run anything current and future at high settings for like $500. They are spreading misinformation. Getting peoples hopes up.

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Revelation34
11/18/19 6:23:34 PM
#83:


magemaximus posted...
Yep. Always laughed up at people saying you can build a pc that can run anything current and future at high settings for like $500. They are spreading misinformation. Getting peoples hopes up.


Yeah those people have no idea what they are talking about.
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Lobomoon
11/18/19 6:26:35 PM
#84:


Revelation34 posted...
VeeVees posted...
so you just pay couple hundred for a console, couple hundred for an average computer, a bit extra on games, and then a bit more for online to play multiplayer? nice savings.


Well the advantage consoles has over PC is no Denuvo. So worth having a console if you can afford it for those games.


But on PC you can use keyboard and mouse.

I'm buying the one with RTX 2080 Super some it will be around 3k.
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zebatov
11/18/19 6:28:19 PM
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VeeVees posted...
$800 is expensive? You get that doing a month of part time at minimum wage.


I made that at my second job in six shifts that werent all eight hours.

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Revelation34
11/18/19 6:42:17 PM
#86:


Lobomoon posted...
Revelation34 posted...
VeeVees posted...
so you just pay couple hundred for a console, couple hundred for an average computer, a bit extra on games, and then a bit more for online to play multiplayer? nice savings.


Well the advantage consoles has over PC is no Denuvo. So worth having a console if you can afford it for those games.


But on PC you can use keyboard and mouse.

I'm buying the one with RTX 2080 Super some it will be around 3k.


I'm talking about those specific games that has it. Denuvo affects game performance for the games that has it.
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OhhhJa
11/18/19 6:42:48 PM
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zebatov posted...
VeeVees posted...
$800 is expensive? You get that doing a month of part time at minimum wage.


I made that at my second job in six shifts that werent all eight hours.

Yeah but I think the point is that people use the money they make to pay bills
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Revelation34
11/18/19 6:47:18 PM
#88:


OhhhJa posted...
zebatov posted...
VeeVees posted...
$800 is expensive? You get that doing a month of part time at minimum wage.


I made that at my second job in six shifts that werent all eight hours.

Yeah but I think the point is that people use the money they make to pay bills


Bills obviously don't exist.
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OhhhJa
11/18/19 6:53:19 PM
#89:


Revelation34 posted...
OhhhJa posted...
zebatov posted...
VeeVees posted...
$800 is expensive? You get that doing a month of part time at minimum wage.


I made that at my second job in six shifts that werent all eight hours.

Yeah but I think the point is that people use the money they make to pay bills


Bills obviously don't exist.

Bills are just government propaganda
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wolfy42
11/18/19 6:59:04 PM
#90:


I am a bill, yes i'm only a bill, sitting up here on capital hill.
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wwinterj25
11/19/19 1:23:11 AM
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SunWuKung420 posted...
The price of pcs is why I just went back to console gaming.

Probably why I'll never game on PC seriously.
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Yellow
11/20/19 5:57:59 PM
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Think of the Steam sales though

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Sonicplys
11/20/19 6:31:03 PM
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PC disaster race
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