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Highwind07
11/08/19 10:06:12 AM
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/11/05/british-couple-claimed-couldnt-adopt-white-child-indian-heritage/

Sandeep and Reena Mander, from Maidenhead, Berkshire, allege they were refused an application to join a register of approved adopters because of their Asian ancestry and told their chances would be improved if they looked to adopt in India or Pakistan.


However, when he stated that they were both born and raised in Britain but their parents were born in India, Mr Mander claimed that he was told that they were unlikely to be approved as potential adopters due to their "Indian background", because only white children were available in Berkshire and the surrounding area.


Although the Manders live in a five-bedroom house and claim they were willing to offer any child a loving home and indeed were otherwise suitable to adopt, Adopt Berkshire claimed that it would still not let them apply to join the approved adopters' register because of their "Indian heritage".


Giving evidence, Mrs Mander said that on April 25 2017 a social worker, Shirley Popat, telephoned the couple."She confirmed she would not accept our application due to our cultural heritage and our only other option was to adopt from India or Pakistan," she said.


The Manders have since successfully adopted a young boy from America.


All my what.

They were told that they couldn't adopt a White child within a place that is majority white.
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konokonohamaru
11/08/19 10:07:51 AM
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The more I read about the UK the less I like it
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Tropicalwood
11/08/19 10:08:10 AM
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Highwind07 posted...
Sandeep and Reena Mander, from Maidenhead, Berkshire, allege they were refused an application to join a register of approved adopters because of their Asian ancestry and told their chances would be improved if they looked to adopt in India or Pakistan.

what
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Highwind07
11/08/19 10:09:33 AM
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Tropicalwood posted...
Highwind07 posted...
Sandeep and Reena Mander, from Maidenhead, Berkshire, allege they were refused an application to join a register of approved adopters because of their Asian ancestry and told their chances would be improved if they looked to adopt in India or Pakistan.

what


Here in the US we usually commonly refer to Asians as either East or SE Asian and Indians as Indian. A while back I learned that there in the UK they refer to Asians from all across Asia.
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spanky1
11/08/19 10:44:18 AM
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Damn if i was a little poor baby white orphan with the prospect of being adopted by a rich Indian couple who own a five bedroom house I'd be like gimmie dat forehead dot and be wobblin dat head
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Paragon21XX
11/08/19 10:44:21 AM
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Highwind07 posted...
Tropicalwood posted...
Highwind07 posted...
Sandeep and Reena Mander, from Maidenhead, Berkshire, allege they were refused an application to join a register of approved adopters because of their Asian ancestry and told their chances would be improved if they looked to adopt in India or Pakistan.

what


Here in the US we usually commonly refer to Asians as either East or SE Asian and Indians as Indian. A while back I learned that there in the UK they refer to Asians from all across Asia.

Not entirely true. If someone is called "Asian" in the UK without any other descriptors, they are most likely referring to South Asians exclusively.
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konokonohamaru
11/08/19 10:45:08 AM
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spanky1 posted...
Damn if i was a little poor baby white orphan with the prospect of being adopted by a rich Indian couple who own a five bedroom house I'd be like gimmie dat forehead dot and be wobblin dat head


......

that's a yikes from me
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Shablagoo
11/08/19 10:47:34 AM
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Hmm, thats weird. So did they eventually adopt the American boy through this very service, or how did that happen?
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Highwind07
11/08/19 10:48:00 AM
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Paragon21XX posted...
Highwind07 posted...
Tropicalwood posted...
Highwind07 posted...
Sandeep and Reena Mander, from Maidenhead, Berkshire, allege they were refused an application to join a register of approved adopters because of their Asian ancestry and told their chances would be improved if they looked to adopt in India or Pakistan.

what


Here in the US we usually commonly refer to Asians as either East or SE Asian and Indians as Indian. A while back I learned that there in the UK they refer to Asians from all across Asia.

Not entirely true. If someone is called "Asian" in the UK without any other descriptors, they are most likely referring to South Asians exclusively.


I was just going by my experience of British people calling Pakistanis and Indians Asian as well
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SquantoZ
11/08/19 10:48:12 AM
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Trump's England.

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Mollayo
11/08/19 10:55:43 AM
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They are an affluent couple with a good sized home and are natural born citizens.

Adoption agency: "sorry but what you couldn't change about yourself denied you from adopting someone of another race".

What a joke.
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Highwind07
11/08/19 11:03:31 AM
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Shablagoo posted...
Hmm, thats weird. So did they eventually adopt the American boy through this very service, or how did that happen?


In another article they mentioned about the couple adopting through the Department of Education. I don't know how that worked out.
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Questionmarktarius
11/08/19 11:08:41 AM
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konokonohamaru posted...
that's a yikes from me

Quoting a yikes is automatically also a yikes, and just more work for the mods.
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thronedfire2
11/08/19 11:10:38 AM
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spanky1 posted...
Damn if i was a little poor baby white orphan with the prospect of being adopted by a rich Indian couple who own a five bedroom house I'd be like gimmie dat forehead dot and be wobblin dat head


at first I was like bruh :|

but then I laughed
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Solar_Crimson
11/08/19 11:12:21 AM
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Because race is more important than whether or not they can provide a good home.

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teepan95
11/08/19 11:40:02 AM
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gross
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Highwind07
11/08/19 11:50:02 AM
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I heard Indians are the new adopters
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Hexenherz
11/08/19 11:51:31 AM
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UK: We are going to stop you from getting medical treatment if you're racist to our employees.
Also UK: We are going to stop you from adopting a child because you're a different race.
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Questionmarktarius
11/08/19 11:57:01 AM
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Hexenherz posted...
UK: We are going to stop you from getting medical treatment if you're racist to our employees.
Also UK: We are going to stop you from adopting a child because you're a different race.

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Bloodychess
11/08/19 11:59:54 AM
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Highwind07 posted...
All my what.



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eston
11/08/19 11:59:56 AM
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Obviously what the adoption office did here is messed up.

But if they were just going to end up adopting one from America, why balk at adopting from India or Pakistan in the first place?
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Highwind07
11/08/19 12:20:43 PM
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It is mostly what the agency told them that set them off like this. They were even questioned about adopting a Hispanic child in America because the agency said that they were looking for someone that "looked like them".
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ThyCorndog
11/08/19 12:22:02 PM
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Tropicalwood posted...
what
well, you know. india is in south asia

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CrimsonRage
11/08/19 12:27:15 PM
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very messed up. you'd think the uk would be better.
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D_Fen_Door
11/08/19 12:46:16 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
at first I was like bruh :|

but then I laughed


He made a racist-ish joke, yeah it could be considered kind of funny I guess.

My question is that why is it a yikes from some people, yet if a comedian does it, it's okay? Personally I don't often care for such humor (it's usually just meh), but I notice that comedy has this untouchableness to it, but a joke can be considered that (IF we do not know previously that the person has a bias towards only specific races when joking or that they are a known racist).

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SaltyWet
11/08/19 12:50:59 PM
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Here in America there are tons of black children adopted by white parents. Vice Versa is extremely rare.
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Highwind07
11/08/19 6:36:33 PM
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D_Fen_Door posted...
thronedfire2 posted...
at first I was like bruh :|

but then I laughed


He made a racist-ish joke, yeah it could be considered kind of funny I guess.

My question is that why is it a yikes from some people, yet if a comedian does it, it's okay? Personally I don't often care for such humor (it's usually just meh), but I notice that comedy has this untouchableness to it, but a joke can be considered that (IF we do not know previously that the person has a bias towards only specific races when joking or that they are a known racist).


It really depends on who gets upset at it because even if comedians are joking and the audience knows it it is usually an outsider.
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MrMallard
11/08/19 6:43:25 PM
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White folks can adopt all the foreign babies they want due to this narrative that they're being saved from a life of squalor and destitution by their induction into a white family, but the idea of a white baby finding a better home with parents of a different race is soundly rejected. A white child, getting brought up by indians? That sounds backwards! We can't allow that in case the baby is raised wrong!

White Fragility and racism at work, folks. You can't give a child a better life than it otherwise would have if they're white and their proposed adoptive parents aren't.
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blablablax17
11/08/19 6:48:37 PM
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Tropicalwood posted...
Highwind07 posted...
Sandeep and Reena Mander, from Maidenhead, Berkshire, allege they were refused an application to join a register of approved adopters because of their Asian ancestry and told their chances would be improved if they looked to adopt in India or Pakistan.

what


The Indian Subcontinent is considered to be South Asia by many people.
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awesome999
11/08/19 6:54:06 PM
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Tropicalwood posted...
Highwind07 posted...
Sandeep and Reena Mander, from Maidenhead, Berkshire, allege they were refused an application to join a register of approved adopters because of their Asian ancestry and told their chances would be improved if they looked to adopt in India or Pakistan.

what


blablablax17 posted...
Tropicalwood posted...
Highwind07 posted...
Sandeep and Reena Mander, from Maidenhead, Berkshire, allege they were refused an application to join a register of approved adopters because of their Asian ancestry and told their chances would be improved if they looked to adopt in India or Pakistan.

what


The Indian Subcontinent is considered to be South Asia by many people.

India is in Asia you geographically challenged buffoons
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Highwind07
11/08/19 8:03:47 PM
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LepartialJury posted...
CrimsonRage posted...
very messed up. you'd think the uk would be better.

UK still arent very fond of India gaining its freedom.
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-england-london-49592362


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Dingydang166
11/08/19 8:20:02 PM
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D_Fen_Door posted...
He made a racist-ish joke, yeah it could be considered kind of funny I guess.

My question is that why is it a yikes from some people, yet if a comedian does it, it's okay? Personally I don't often care for such humor (it's usually just meh), but I notice that comedy has this untouchableness to it, but a joke can be considered that (IF we do not know previously that the person has a bias towards only specific races when joking or that they are a known racist).


Yeah I dunno. Jokes are jokes regardless of who did it. People just always take shit too seriously.
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thronedfire2
11/08/19 8:25:14 PM
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lol he got modded for it
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Tropicalwood
11/08/19 9:29:07 PM
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ThyCorndog posted...
Tropicalwood posted...
what
well, you know. india is in south asia

Russia is in Asia, but they're considered Slavic.
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ThyCorndog
11/08/19 10:00:16 PM
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Tropicalwood posted...
Russia is in Asia, but they're considered Slavic.
the natives of asian russia are asian. russians colonized the eastern parts of their country with european russians. india is in asia full of asian natives

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Tropicalwood
11/08/19 11:12:40 PM
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ThyCorndog posted...
Tropicalwood posted...
Russia is in Asia, but they're considered Slavic.
the natives of asian russia are asian. russians colonized the eastern parts of their country with european russians. india is in asia full of asian natives

I severely doubt they're actually indigenous, they were known for their military might for centuries as well as their overall influence. Seems more Arab all together aside from small portions.

At the end of the day though, Asians more refer to people of Mongoloid decent to parts of the world that aren't just avoiding the use of a country of origin, since it sounds better and doesn't have an offensive use.
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ThyCorndog
11/08/19 11:30:09 PM
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Tropicalwood posted...
I severely doubt they're actually indigenous, they were known for their military might for centuries as well as their overall influence. Seems more Arab all together aside from small portions.
but they are. the indian subcontinent is made up mostly of two macro ethnic groups, indo-aryans and dravidians (not counting the minorities beyond those two groups). dravidians are more native to south and south east asia than east asians are. south east asians are darker because they mixed with those groups when they moved down to southern asia from northern asia. dravidians are related to the pacific aboriginals like the australian natives. the other group, the indo-aryans, are related to iranic people. iranic people are also asian. there's nothing arab about india, and arabs are asian as well

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Tropicalwood
11/09/19 12:41:48 AM
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ThyCorndog posted...
Tropicalwood posted...
I severely doubt they're actually indigenous, they were known for their military might for centuries as well as their overall influence. Seems more Arab all together aside from small portions.
but they are. the indian subcontinent is made up mostly of two macro ethnic groups, indo-aryans and dravidians (not counting the minorities beyond those two groups). dravidians are more native to south and south east asia than east asians are. south east asians are darker because they mixed with those groups when they moved down to southern asia from northern asia. dravidians are related to the pacific aboriginals like the australian natives. the other group, the indo-aryans, are related to iranic people. iranic people are also asian. there's nothing arab about india, and arabs are asian as well

Sorry, but Arabs are not Asians to the civilized world just because the EU doesn't want the Arabic world painted in a bad light when they're trying to mass import migrants from Syria or Pakistan. And don't act like the EU isn't pushing their same old refugee friendly narrative, we all know they're just trying to expand their own little wannabe United States.
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ThyCorndog
11/09/19 12:53:58 AM
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Well I'm talking about ethnicities and geography and you're talking about something else. If you want to talk about that stuff instead then ok

Pakistan is not Arabic, Syria is

South asians are a bigger thing in the UK than east asians. The UK sees Pakistanis and Indians as asian. If you say "asian" there most people will assume you mean south asian. Those are the main asian immigrants there, and they have been the main one for like a century. This isn't about the EU or political correctness or whatever you're trying to say. And yes the asian part of the middle east is "west asia", the african part of the middle east is "north africa". are north africans not african now?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Asia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Asia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Africa

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Hummer 2
11/09/19 1:00:18 AM
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Why would anyone adopt a white child? I'm trying to raise an NBA superstar and start my own BBB.
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RebelElite791
11/09/19 1:11:34 AM
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Tropicalwood posted...
ThyCorndog posted...
Tropicalwood posted...
I severely doubt they're actually indigenous, they were known for their military might for centuries as well as their overall influence. Seems more Arab all together aside from small portions.
but they are. the indian subcontinent is made up mostly of two macro ethnic groups, indo-aryans and dravidians (not counting the minorities beyond those two groups). dravidians are more native to south and south east asia than east asians are. south east asians are darker because they mixed with those groups when they moved down to southern asia from northern asia. dravidians are related to the pacific aboriginals like the australian natives. the other group, the indo-aryans, are related to iranic people. iranic people are also asian. there's nothing arab about india, and arabs are asian as well

Sorry, but Arabs are not Asians to the civilized world just because the EU doesn't want the Arabic world painted in a bad light when they're trying to mass import migrants from Syria or Pakistan. And don't act like the EU isn't pushing their same old refugee friendly narrative, we all know they're just trying to expand their own little wannabe United States.

Keep the white supremacist conspiracy theories to your backwater trash message boards please.
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ThyCorndog
11/09/19 1:13:51 AM
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is that what he's trying to do? his use of "mongoloid" was suspect but I was hoping he was just basing his information on outdated racialist 19th century theories and isn't actually a racist

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Tropicalwood
11/09/19 1:19:35 AM
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We're talking about the same moronic countries that renamed aluminum to aluminium, then proceeded to claim it was the correct pronunciation because some bureaucrats felt it needed to go with an antiquated periodic table that nobody uses.

Not that it matter anyways, Europe is the same damn landmass as Asia anyways, so the excuse for calling everyone from the arabic world, asians, was asinine to begin with.

ThyCorndog posted...
is that what he's trying to do? his use of "mongoloid" was suspect but I was hoping he was just basing his information on outdated racialist 19th century theories and isn't actually a racist

Ignore RebelElite791, the guy has always had a stick up his ass when it comes to conservative users.
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RebelElite791
11/09/19 1:25:57 AM
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ThyCorndog posted...
is that what he's trying to do? his use of "mongoloid" was suspect but I was hoping he was just basing his information on outdated racialist 19th century theories and isn't actually a racist

The idea that Europe is "mass importing migrants" is explicitly racist and a white supremacist conspiracy theory known as the "Great Replacement."
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Turtlebread
11/09/19 1:29:05 AM
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Tropicalwood posted...
We're talking about the same moronic countries that renamed aluminum to aluminium, then proceeded to claim it was the correct pronunciation because some bureaucrats felt it needed to go with an antiquated periodic table that nobody uses.


Sir Humphry made a bit of a mess of naming this new element, at first spelling it alumium (this was in 1807) then changing it to aluminum, and finally settling on aluminium in 1812.

first result on google but it seems you're intent on maintaining your prejudices anyway so whatever
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Engineer_Gamer
11/09/19 1:48:10 AM
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nothing swells the 2-inch-terror of a CEman quite like talking past one another regarding semantics
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Tropicalwood
11/09/19 1:56:31 AM
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Turtlebread posted...
Tropicalwood posted...
We're talking about the same moronic countries that renamed aluminum to aluminium, then proceeded to claim it was the correct pronunciation because some bureaucrats felt it needed to go with an antiquated periodic table that nobody uses.


Sir Humphry made a bit of a mess of naming this new element, at first spelling it alumium (this was in 1807) then changing it to aluminum, and finally settling on aluminium in 1812.

first result on google but it seems you're intent on maintaining your prejudices anyway so whatever

You have to look into that deeper, google only gave you the cliff note on it. Which is only half true.

All the metals past 1811 were renamed because Berzelius proposed they they add um or ium at the end of metallic elements to match the Latin names (for some reason).
Then what happened was Davy called it Aluminum, but his colleague preferred Aluminium because everything else he named ended with "ium".
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Turtlebread
11/09/19 2:18:25 AM
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Tropicalwood posted...
Turtlebread posted...
Tropicalwood posted...
We're talking about the same moronic countries that renamed aluminum to aluminium, then proceeded to claim it was the correct pronunciation because some bureaucrats felt it needed to go with an antiquated periodic table that nobody uses.


Sir Humphry made a bit of a mess of naming this new element, at first spelling it alumium (this was in 1807) then changing it to aluminum, and finally settling on aluminium in 1812.

first result on google but it seems you're intent on maintaining your prejudices anyway so whatever

You have to look into that deeper, google only gave you the cliff note on it. Which is only half true.

All the metals past 1811 were renamed because Berzelius proposed they they add um or ium at the end of metallic elements to match the Latin names (for some reason).
Then what happened was Davy called it Aluminum, but his colleague preferred Aluminium because everything else he named ended with "ium".


I looked deeper and there were already many metals ending in -ium before 1811, and a lot of those were named by Davy himself.

I guess my point is, what does this factoid have to do at all with the discussion of ethnic groups?
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