Poll of the Day > Are you economically/socially liberal or conservative or in the middle?

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WastelandCowboy
11/07/19 12:52:11 PM
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Kyuubi4269
11/07/19 12:56:27 PM
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Socially liberal (mostly), very conservative economically.
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TyVulpine
11/07/19 1:02:07 PM
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In the middle. Anti-abortion but also against tax cuts unless theres a plan to offset the lost revenue that wont add to the budget deficit, for example.
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Kyuubi4269
11/07/19 1:04:26 PM
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TyVulpine posted...
Anti-abortion but also against tax cuts unless theres a plan to offset the lost revenue that wont add to the budget deficit, for example.

That's conservative for both, you just wish the conservatives were honest about what services they were cutting.
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Mead
11/07/19 1:06:12 PM
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EvilMegas
11/07/19 1:21:35 PM
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It's 2019, stop labeling me.
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Krow_Incarnate
11/07/19 1:26:26 PM
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Eco-conservative

More or less Socially liberal, without the bleeding heart.

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Noop_Noop
11/07/19 1:28:58 PM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
Socially liberal (mostly), very conservative economically.

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BeerOnTap
11/07/19 1:30:44 PM
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Constitutional Conservative Libertarian.
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Kyuubi4269
11/07/19 1:38:09 PM
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BeerOnTap posted...
Constitutional Conservative Libertarian.

Redneck?
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MrMelodramatic
11/07/19 1:48:46 PM
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Hefty lefty
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aDirtyShisno
11/07/19 1:58:11 PM
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In the middle. Every time the government switches sides Im usually rolling my eyes at everything that comes out of the mouths of the party not in power as they basically promise not to do their jobs as a way to prevent a two term president.

Republicans literally signed a pledge when Obama was in office and Democrats now are failing so badly to try and impeach Trump on the most mundane things. Everybody just needs to suck it up and work with whomever won and try again four years later, instead of running up the debt doing nothing but fighting like schoolchildren.
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GanonsSpirit
11/07/19 2:51:26 PM
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aDirtyShisno posted...
Democrats now are failing so badly to try and impeach Trump on the most mundane things.

Using the power of the presidency to pressure foreign powers into helping you retain the presidency isn't mundane, it's incredibly corrupt. Also, the democratic majority house has passed tons of bills, but McConnell blocks them from even being voted on in the senate.
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DarkKirby2500
11/07/19 2:57:47 PM
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Neither.

Libertarian.

Down with big government.
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Noop_Noop
11/07/19 3:11:54 PM
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DarkKirby2500 posted...
Neither.

Libertarian.

Down with big government.


Just FYI libertarian typically falls into social liberal, fiscal conservative
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aDirtyShisno
11/07/19 3:24:17 PM
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GanonsSpirit posted...
aDirtyShisno posted...
Democrats now are failing so badly to try and impeach Trump on the most mundane things.

Using the power of the presidency to pressure foreign powers into helping you retain the presidency isn't mundane, it's incredibly corrupt. Also, the democratic majority house has passed tons of bills, but McConnell blocks them from even being voted on in the senate.

Oh no! The president talked with a foreign leader! How awful! Presidents shouldnt do that! Its not like the threat of nuclear armageddon wasnt once solved that way...

And besides, I thought the big hubbub was because he allegedly talked a guy into investigating a possible crime? How does that help him retain the presidency?
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captpackrat
11/07/19 4:15:11 PM
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TheWitchMorgana
11/07/19 4:40:14 PM
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democratic socialist
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Lokarin
11/07/19 4:41:04 PM
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Social Libertarian
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TyVulpine
11/07/19 5:08:46 PM
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aDirtyShisno posted...
GanonsSpirit posted...
aDirtyShisno posted...
Democrats now are failing so badly to try and impeach Trump on the most mundane things.

Using the power of the presidency to pressure foreign powers into helping you retain the presidency isn't mundane, it's incredibly corrupt. Also, the democratic majority house has passed tons of bills, but McConnell blocks them from even being voted on in the senate.

Oh no! The president talked with a foreign leader! How awful! Presidents shouldnt do that! Its not like the threat of nuclear armageddon wasnt once solved that way...

And besides, I thought the big hubbub was because he allegedly talked a guy into investigating a possible crime? How does that help him retain the presidency?

Trump tried to pressure Ukrainian officials into investigating the son of a strong political opponent in an attempt to manipulate the 2020 election in his favor is the main issue. Trump never does anything unless it directly benefits himself.
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ParanoidObsessive
11/07/19 5:15:06 PM
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Noop_Noop posted...
DarkKirby2500 posted...
Neither.

Libertarian.

Down with big government.

Just FYI libertarian typically falls into social liberal, fiscal conservative

True, but there are degrees of libertarian. Some are just for smaller government, some are for almost no government, and some mostly just want more governmental accountability. Some define their entire sense of ideology around the concept of the NAP, some have no clue what the NAP even is. Some skew to anarcho-capitalism, others skew to anarcho-socialism.

And some don't actually like to be called libertarians in spite of basically having libertarian political beliefs across the board, because they don't agree with or want to be associated with the Libertarian Party in the US, and thus default to different terms like "classical liberal" or just emphasizing the social liberal/fiscal conservative dichotomy.
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darkknight109
11/07/19 5:28:23 PM
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I find the labels to be overly simplistic, but on most things I'm economically centrist, socially liberal.

aDirtyShisno posted...
And besides, I thought the big hubbub was because he allegedly talked a guy into investigating a possible crime? How does that help him retain the presidency?

Because there was no "possible crime". He wanted an investigation into his biggest opponent's son because it would help increase political support for him, the same way the investigations into Hillary Clinton helped get him the presidency the first time. Only problem is there were absolutely no grounds for that investigation, as Hunter Biden was never accused of a crime or suspected of criminal activity. Also, he wanted Ukraine to support a conspiracy theory that it was their government that interfered in the 2016 election in support of the Democrats, instead of Russia interfering to support Trump (which is also smears the Democrats, exonerates the Republicans, panders to Trump's ego, and is fucking stupid to boot).

So yes, very corrupt and also illegal.
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Kyuubi4269
11/07/19 5:28:28 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Noop_Noop posted...
DarkKirby2500 posted...
Neither.

Libertarian.

Down with big government.

Just FYI libertarian typically falls into social liberal, fiscal conservative

True, but there are degrees of libertarian. Some are just for smaller government, some are for almost no government, and some mostly just want more governmental accountability. Some define their entire sense of ideology around the concept of the NAP, some have no clue what the NAP even is. Some skew to anarcho-capitalism, others skew to anarcho-socialism.

And some don't actually like to be called libertarians in spite of basically having libertarian political beliefs across the board, because they don't agree with or want to be associated with the Libertarian Party in the US, and thus default to different terms like "classical liberal" or just emphasizing the social liberal/fiscal conservative dichotomy.

Get your post-modernist "words don't mean anything" shit out of here. It doesn't matter how people can express their sentiments poorly, that's what it objectively is and meaning something else needs correcting.
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Noop_Noop
11/07/19 6:06:27 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Noop_Noop posted...
DarkKirby2500 posted...
Neither.

Libertarian.

Down with big government.

Just FYI libertarian typically falls into social liberal, fiscal conservative

True, but there are degrees of libertarian. Some are just for smaller government, some are for almost no government, and some mostly just want more governmental accountability. Some define their entire sense of ideology around the concept of the NAP, some have no clue what the NAP even is. Some skew to anarcho-capitalism, others skew to anarcho-socialism.

And some don't actually like to be called libertarians in spite of basically having libertarian political beliefs across the board, because they don't agree with or want to be associated with the Libertarian Party in the US, and thus default to different terms like "classical liberal" or just emphasizing the social liberal/fiscal conservative dichotomy.


so some people use the term incorrectly? ok. that was worth saying.
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Raddest_Chad
11/07/19 6:08:46 PM
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I'm weird and have lots of strong opinions on everything. Some don't go hand-in-hand with each other in one side or the other...

I believe in lots of government oversight economically (state capitalism) and socially, and generally have a "live and let live" attitude (unless your "living" directly and negatively impacts an innocent). I'm cool with marriage equality, universal healthcare, free post-secondary education, a super rich tax, protecting the environment, and so on. On paper I seem pretty left...

...but I'm also okay with concepts like mass surveillance in public areas as a means of crime prevention, or executing people deemed a continuous safety or health hazard to the general population (rapists, murderers, druggies leaving needles everywhere and stealing, etc). I also think anyone with serious hereditary wellness issues shouldn't have children, but I support the right for homosexual couples to adopt. I pretty much don't fit in with any groups because I have polarizing views one side or another hates.
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GanonsSpirit
11/07/19 6:45:36 PM
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aDirtyShisno posted...
Oh no! The president talked with a foreign leader! How awful! Presidents shouldnt do that! Its not like the threat of nuclear armageddon wasnt once solved that way...

And besides, I thought the big hubbub was because he allegedly talked a guy into investigating a possible crime? How does that help him retain the presidency?

Ah, you seem to be intentionally not understanding what's going on. Carry on then, I see nothing I can say will change your mind, because all you know is that Trump told you it was a perfect phone call and his word is truth.
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aDirtyShisno
11/07/19 7:45:52 PM
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GanonsSpirit posted...
aDirtyShisno posted...
Oh no! The president talked with a foreign leader! How awful! Presidents shouldnt do that! Its not like the threat of nuclear armageddon wasnt once solved that way...

And besides, I thought the big hubbub was because he allegedly talked a guy into investigating a possible crime? How does that help him retain the presidency?

Ah, you seem to be intentionally not understanding what's going on. Carry on then, I see nothing I can say will change your mind, because all you know is that Trump told you it was a perfect phone call and his word is truth.

Well the transcript of the phone call was released to the public and I believe it was uncensored so youre very much welcome to cite the part where Trump made his allegedly impeachable offense. Otherwise, I see nothing that will change your mind.
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GanonsSpirit
11/07/19 7:56:16 PM
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aDirtyShisno posted...
Well the transcript of the phone call was released to the public and I believe it was uncensored

Wrong on both counts. A summary of the call was released, not a transcript. Furthermore, Lt. Col. Vindman testified that said summary was modified to remove mentions of Biden and Burisma.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/30/politics/alexander-vindman-testimony-white-house-transcript/index.html?no-st=1572458487
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WastelandCowboy
11/07/19 7:58:16 PM
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Lol. A topic asking PotDers their leanings goes into a political discussion about El Presidente.
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dancer62
11/07/19 8:04:20 PM
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Politicians. Bah, humbug!

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TheWitchMorgana
11/07/19 8:11:51 PM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
Lol. A topic asking PotDers their leanings goes into a political discussion about El Presidente.

literally what were you expecting
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Zeus
11/07/19 8:20:09 PM
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My 8-values result was Centrist. 60.4% in favor of markets, 53.2% in favor of nation, 55.4% in favor of liberty (vs authority), and 55.7% progress (vs tradition)

My compass was left-leaning centrist, slightly libertarian (vs authoritarian)
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Smarkil
11/07/19 8:24:38 PM
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I'm part of the 'I just wanna live my fucking life' party
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WastelandCowboy
11/07/19 8:26:03 PM
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TheWitchMorgana posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
Lol. A topic asking PotDers their leanings goes into a political discussion about El Presidente.

literally what were you expecting

Idk, maybe people staying on topic?
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streamofthesky
11/07/19 9:21:02 PM
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Socially, I'm liberal on most issues. Really, any I can think of other than one in particular....

Economically....it's complicated. I always thought I leaned conservative on that, but the modern Republican and Libertarian parties are just nuts.
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aDirtyShisno
11/07/19 9:30:53 PM
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GanonsSpirit posted...
aDirtyShisno posted...
Well the transcript of the phone call was released to the public and I believe it was uncensored

Wrong on both counts. A summary of the call was released, not a transcript. Furthermore, Lt. Col. Vindman testified that said summary was modified to remove mentions of Biden and Burisma.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/30/politics/alexander-vindman-testimony-white-house-transcript/index.html?no-st=1572458487

So you cant locate the incriminating portion, correct? Youre just going on hearsay that the transcript is incomplete? Guilty until proven innocent? Someone else will just have to listen to the audio recording, because Im sure only 2 people in the entire government listened to it.
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ParanoidObsessive
11/07/19 10:40:24 PM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
Idk, maybe people staying on topic?

So you're new to both PotD and the Internet as a whole, then?
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aDirtyShisno
11/07/19 11:30:33 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
Idk, maybe people staying on topic?

So you're new to both PotD and the Internet as a whole, then?

G. Other?
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zebatov
11/07/19 11:40:31 PM
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Explaining this is like explaining a genre of metal.
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GanonsSpirit
11/08/19 4:48:12 PM
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aDirtyShisno posted...
So you cant locate the incriminating portion, correct? Youre just going on hearsay that the transcript is incomplete? Guilty until proven innocent? Someone else will just have to listen to the audio recording, because Im sure only 2 people in the entire government listened to it.
Ok, here it is, from page 1: "CAUTION: A Memorandum of a Telephone Conversation. (TELCON) is not a verbatim transcript of a discussion"

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aDirtyShisno
11/08/19 7:55:43 PM
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GanonsSpirit posted...
aDirtyShisno posted...
So you cant locate the incriminating portion, correct? Youre just going on hearsay that the transcript is incomplete? Guilty until proven innocent? Someone else will just have to listen to the audio recording, because Im sure only 2 people in the entire government listened to it.
Ok, here it is, from page 1: "CAUTION: A Memorandum of a Telephone Conversation. (TELCON) is not a verbatim transcript of a discussion"

The incriminating portion... As in the reason for the impeachment inquiry.
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Lokarin
11/08/19 8:01:40 PM
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I know I said Social Libertarian, but that's just the best explanation I can think of.

Basically, my opinion is that as long as the reasonably adequate tax burden is met - all other bets are off and corporate can do whatever they want. Environmental and economic protections are met by said tax burden, so if a corporation wants to, say, start frakking or open a new coal mine, they functionally are paying for their own opposition... which means even if the opposition fails, they've paid for the jobs and time of that opposition.
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darkknight109
11/09/19 5:10:08 PM
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aDirtyShisno posted...
GanonsSpirit posted...
aDirtyShisno posted...
So you cant locate the incriminating portion, correct? Youre just going on hearsay that the transcript is incomplete? Guilty until proven innocent? Someone else will just have to listen to the audio recording, because Im sure only 2 people in the entire government listened to it.
Ok, here it is, from page 1: "CAUTION: A Memorandum of a Telephone Conversation. (TELCON) is not a verbatim transcript of a discussion"

The incriminating portion... As in the reason for the impeachment inquiry.

"I would like you to do us a favour, though"
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aDirtyShisno
11/09/19 6:40:31 PM
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darkknight109 posted...
aDirtyShisno posted...
GanonsSpirit posted...
aDirtyShisno posted...
So you cant locate the incriminating portion, correct? Youre just going on hearsay that the transcript is incomplete? Guilty until proven innocent? Someone else will just have to listen to the audio recording, because Im sure only 2 people in the entire government listened to it.
Ok, here it is, from page 1: "CAUTION: A Memorandum of a Telephone Conversation. (TELCON) is not a verbatim transcript of a discussion"

The incriminating portion... As in the reason for the impeachment inquiry.

"I would like you to do us a favour, though"
And...? Does that suggest that there would be a quid pro quo? It sounds like the opposite, requesting for something without promising anything in return.
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darkknight109
11/09/19 7:20:38 PM
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aDirtyShisno posted...
And...? Does that suggest that there would be a quid pro quo?

Well, let's see...
-Trump ordered that military aid to Ukraine be halted about a week before this telephone call. No explanation for this was given and aides were ordered not to inform congress (who had appropriated the funds).

-Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskiy had been seeking an in-person meeting with Trump more or less since his election in order to discuss the security situation and coordinate on other issues dealing with the Russian insurgency in the country's east.

-Trump sets up his request by saying that Russia is doing "almost nothing" for Ukraine, before following that up with the statement "the United States has been very very good to Ukraine. I wouldn't say that it's reciprocal necessarily because things are happening that are not good but the United States has been very very good to Ukraine."

-Literally the next words out of Trump's mouth, according to the transcript, were: "I would like you to do us a favor though." He then goes on to talk about the Crowdstrike conspiracy theory (that it was Ukraine, not Russia, that hacked the DNC servers and they did it as a false-flag operation to support the Democrats, rather than the Republicans) and about the Bidens.

-Once Zelenskiy agrees - and only at that point - Trump immediately switches gears and says he can go ahead and book the White House meeting after he calls Rudy Giuliani and Bill Barr.

-The transcript of this call was considered so damaging that White House officials immediately moved it to a hyper-secure computer system where only a handful of people could access it. Various parties to the call immediately contacted legal counsel, requesting guidance or lodging complaints regarding what had been said.

-Various ambassadors and foreign affairs aides have since testified under oath that Trump had indicated that the military aid and the White House meeting would only happen if Zelenskiy agreed in a televised appearance on CNN to pursue the investigations, specifically mentioning Biden and Crowdstrike. These include:
--Gordon Sondland, Trump's Ambassador to the EU, who was heavily involved in the Ukraine inquiry. Notably, Sondland initially gave testimony favourable to Trump but, upon hearing about the statements other witnesses had made, later amended it seemingly to avoid perjury charges. Sondland has now said it was his understanding that the White House meeting and military aid were conditioned on Zelenskiy doing as Trump asked, and he stated as much to Andriy Yermak, an aide to the Ukranian president.
--Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, the Director for European Affairs. Vindman testified "there was no doubt" Trump wanted to trade military aide for Ukraine's investigations.
--William Taylor, Trump's Ambassador to Ukraine. Taylor repeatedly raised concerns about a quid pro quo and was largely brushed off by administration officials. Taylor also reviewed the summary transcript and found significant omissions, including a significant amount of time Trump spent talking about Biden, and requested that corrections be made. These corrections were denied.

-According to texts between Kurt Volker (special envoy to Ukraine) and Gordon Sondland, Zelenskiy was actually sent a script by presidential aides laying out exactly what he should say in his statement. He even went so far as to book an appearance on CNN. After the Ukraine scandal blew up, Zelenskiy quietly cancelled the interview and said nothing more about it. Notably, Volker resigned almost immediately after the scandal broke.

Put it this way: there are so many people testifying about quid pro quo and so much evidence of it backing up, I can't even remember all of them anymore. That's really not a good thing.
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Paper_Okami
11/10/19 2:17:14 AM
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socialist

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Unbridled9
11/10/19 11:21:37 AM
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I'm mostly central though I lean libertarian. In a nutshell I believe that the government is responsible for supporting and maintaining the nation but needs to back off and permit freedom and the like otherwise. I sort of see things as being complicated with few clear solutions.
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Mead
11/10/19 11:34:13 AM
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Most liberals are okay most

Most conservatives seem pretty backwards headed

And folks that always go on and on about how theyre in the middle and that blah blah blah both sides are bad might be the most obnoxious people of all
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streamofthesky
11/10/19 12:03:36 PM
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Mead posted...
And folks that always go on and on about how theyre in the middle and that blah blah blah both sides are bad might be the most obnoxious people of all

To be fair, a lot of those people aren't actually centrist and just claim to be, so they can use the "both sides!" fallacious argument to cover for their side. You can tell this is the case, b/c they never do the same "both sides!" bs when it's the side they secretly despise that's in trouble.
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Jen0125
11/10/19 12:08:49 PM
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I'm a Democratic Socialist.
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