Current Events > Apparently, employee morale at Game Freak is at an all-time low.

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Would it make sense for every single Pokemon to be available in the Galar region? Would be pretty immersion breaking for me.

I figured they're probably just going to throw the other half of the old roster into the next game, and patch S/S for compatibility if need be.
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Wetterdew posted...

Honestly there aren't any series with over 1000 characters that each get as many animations and details. Expecting them to maintain and renew all Pokemon for every game is too much when they could spend that effort making new content instead.

And it doesn't seem like they did much of that, either.

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tainted_emerald posted...

Would it make sense for every single Pokemon to be available in the Galar region? Would be pretty immersion breaking for me.

No, but no game allowed you to obtain all of the available Pokemon within a single game. People expected there to be a smaller number of Pokemon in the main game, and then be allowed to transfer the rest from the previous games.

Now, you can't even do that.

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At this point Im expecting Sw/Sh2 to come out in two years and to be apology versions.

Its going to have all 1000 Pokmon in the regional dex.

Every gym victory gifts you a choice of a different Gens starter.

Postgame where you catch all the old legendaries

And Gigantimax Cynthia
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I am curious how many people did trade old Pokemon to each new game. Personally I've never bothered.

Pokemon is a weird franchise in general with all sorts of conflicting expectations. If each game has like 300-400 Pokemon they're just adding a bigger and bigger backlog for themselves the longer the franchise continues. No other game has to deal with this on a similar scale.
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Wetterdew posted...

Honestly there aren't any series with over 1000 characters that each get as many animations and details. Expecting them to maintain and renew all Pokemon for every game is too much when they could spend that effort making new content instead.

I think the haters are way overblowing things.

What kept me coming back to these games - in spite of their serious lack of growth and innovation - was the comfort of knowing that all existing pokemon would still be available and viable. I made a mental list of ten of my favorite pokemon before seeing the cut list; only one of them is still in Sw/Sh. It's weird and rather depressing to now be faced with the very real possibility of hundreds of familiar little critters being permanently put out to pasture.

Sw/Sh would need to bring some major innovations / improvements to the table in order to compensate for this, and based on what I've heard so far, Breath of the Pokewild won't reach that bar by a long shot. Add onto that the larger ratio of Gen5 and Gen6 'mons making the cut due to the director's personal preference (it bears repeating that the infamous duo of Vanilluxe and Garbodarbodarbodor made it in over Bulbasaur and Squirtle), and the whole situation honestly stinks. It took seeing the cut list for it to finally sink in, but Dexit has genuinely soured my mood towards both Sw/Sh and the future of the franchise.
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pokedude900 posted...

Wetterdew posted...

Honestly there aren't any series with over 1000 characters that each get as many animations and details. Expecting them to maintain and renew all Pokemon for every game is too much when they could spend that effort making new content instead.

I think the haters are way overblowing things.

They can reuse assets. They have reused assets.

I would agree with you but it's more complicated than that. Every new generation means new assets for every Pokemon (though megas and gigantamax Pokemon only need battle animations afaik) and there's more to it than assets, for example if you put all Pokemon data in the game then you are obligated to make them all catchable in a generation, which means all Pokemon need to be added in somewhere in the games and all 70 legendary and mythical Pokemon need ways to be caught (which means wasting dev time on another crappy boring portal sidequest which undermines their mysticism anyway). Reusing assets isn't always possible either without adjustments.

We don't know how the games are yet so we'll have to wait and see if it was worth it.
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masterpug53 posted...

Wetterdew posted...

Honestly there aren't any series with over 1000 characters that each get as many animations and details. Expecting them to maintain and renew all Pokemon for every game is too much when they could spend that effort making new content instead.

I think the haters are way overblowing things.

What kept me coming back to these games - in spite of their serious lack of growth and innovation - was the comfort of knowing that all existing pokemon would still be available and viable. I made a mental list of ten of my favorite pokemon before seeing the cut list; only one of them is still in Sw/Sh. It's weird and rather depressing to now be faced with the very real possibility of hundreds of familiar little critters being permanently put out to pasture.

Sw/Sh would need to bring some major innovations / improvements to the table in order to compensate for this, and based on what I've heard so far, Breath of the Pokewild won't reach that bar by a long shot. Add onto that the larger ratio of Gen5 and Gen6 'mons making the cut due to the director's personal preference (it bears repeating that the infamous duo of Vanilluxe and Garbodarbodarbodor made it in over Bulbasaur and Squirtle), and the whole situation honestly stinks. It took seeing the cut list for it to finally sink in, but Dexit has genuinely soured my mood towards both Sw/Sh and the future of the franchise.

Name the ten Pokemon.
Are they starters or legendaries? If so - no shit they were cut. Are your favorites stuff like Luvdisc and Nosepass?

masterpug53 posted...

I made a mental list of ten of my favorite pokemon before seeing the cut list; only one of them is still in Sw/Sh. What kept me coming back to these games - in spite of their serious lack of growth and innovation - was the comfort of knowing that all existing pokemon would still be available and viable. It's weird and rather depressing to now be faced with the very real possibility of hundreds of familiar little critters being permanently put out to pasture.

Sw/Sh would need to bring some major innovations / improvements to the table in order to compensate for this, and based on what I've heard so far, Breath of the Pokewild won't reach that bar by a long shot. Add onto that the larger ratio of Gen5 and Gen6 'mons making the cut due to the director's personal preference (it bears repeating that Vanilluxe and Garbodarbodarbodor made it in over Bulbasaur and Squirtle), and the whole situation honestly stinks. It took seeing the cut list for it to finally sink in, but Dexit has genuinely soured my mood towards both Sw/Sh and the future of the franchise.

Sad to say but I think the franchise just isn't for you. Unfortunately I honestly don't think there is a single game series that maintains a roster of 1000+ characters that each have the level of care a Pokemon gets. In 10 years maybe there will be 1500+ Pokemon with 100+ legendaries.

Garbodor rools btw
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AlisLandale posted...

And Gigantimax Cynthia

Lol

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AlisLandale posted...

And Gigantimax Cynthia

I don't need Game Freak to give me something like that. >_>

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Wetterdew posted...

masterpug53 posted...

I made a mental list of ten of my favorite pokemon before seeing the cut list; only one of them is still in Sw/Sh. What kept me coming back to these games - in spite of their serious lack of growth and innovation - was the comfort of knowing that all existing pokemon would still be available and viable. It's weird and rather depressing to now be faced with the very real possibility of hundreds of familiar little critters being permanently put out to pasture.

Sw/Sh would need to bring some major innovations / improvements to the table in order to compensate for this, and based on what I've heard so far, Breath of the Pokewild won't reach that bar by a long shot. Add onto that the larger ratio of Gen5 and Gen6 'mons making the cut due to the director's personal preference (it bears repeating that Vanilluxe and Garbodarbodarbodor made it in over Bulbasaur and Squirtle), and the whole situation honestly stinks. It took seeing the cut list for it to finally sink in, but Dexit has genuinely soured my mood towards both Sw/Sh and the future of the franchise.

Sad to say but I think the franchise just isn't for you. Unfortunately I honestly don't think there is a single game series that maintains a roster of 1000+ characters that each have the level of care a Pokemon gets. In 10 years maybe there will be 1500+ Pokemon with 100+ legendaries.

Garbodor rools btw

Bolded doesn't make sense. The upcoming games aren't for him, maybe, but the franchise? Up until now, it's had all the mons.
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If I were to guess they'll probably cycle through old Pokemon in upcoming games.

Either that or release games dedicated to catching up.
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Darmik posted...

If I were to guess they'll probably cycle through old Pokemon in upcoming games.

That's actually the plan, which GF confirmed themselves a while back.

The problem is, you don't know how long it will be until a game with your favorite Pokemon available in it is released, and it could even take over a decade. Meanwhile, you're paying the yearly fee to keep your Pokemon in Home, because eventually Bank will be taken offline, forever stranding any Pokemonyou have in the DS and 3DS games to those games.

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Wetterdew posted...

Every new generation means new assets for every Pokemon

Gen 8 is literally reusing all the 3DS assets though.
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bobbaaay posted...

masterpug53 posted...

Wetterdew posted...

Honestly there aren't any series with over 1000 characters that each get as many animations and details. Expecting them to maintain and renew all Pokemon for every game is too much when they could spend that effort making new content instead.

I think the haters are way overblowing things.

What kept me coming back to these games - in spite of their serious lack of growth and innovation - was the comfort of knowing that all existing pokemon would still be available and viable. I made a mental list of ten of my favorite pokemon before seeing the cut list; only one of them is still in Sw/Sh. It's weird and rather depressing to now be faced with the very real possibility of hundreds of familiar little critters being permanently put out to pasture.

Sw/Sh would need to bring some major innovations / improvements to the table in order to compensate for this, and based on what I've heard so far, Breath of the Pokewild won't reach that bar by a long shot. Add onto that the larger ratio of Gen5 and Gen6 'mons making the cut due to the director's personal preference (it bears repeating that the infamous duo of Vanilluxe and Garbodarbodarbodor made it in over Bulbasaur and Squirtle), and the whole situation honestly stinks. It took seeing the cut list for it to finally sink in, but Dexit has genuinely soured my mood towards both Sw/Sh and the future of the franchise.

Name the ten Pokemon.
Are they starters or legendaries? If so - no shit they were cut. Are your favorites stuff like Luvdisc and Nosepass?

Some are legendaries / starters, some aren't. But given the fact that me saying my favorites got cut seems to be catnip for the overly-aggressive defenders like yourself, I don't feel particularly enthused to recount the whole list. Serious question, what exactly are you driving at here? Are you just shitposting, or are you somehow hoping to invalidate my personal preferences to the point where I'm inexplicably enthused about this game again?
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Reusing assets isn't anything new, either. The models made for Pokemon Stadium 0 (a Japan-only game that didn't have all 151 pokemon) were used in Stadium 1, Stadium 2, Colosseum, and XD (along with a couple spin-off games, IIRC). It wasn't until Battle Revolution that they remade all the models. Even then, animations were recycled. Mind you, these games weren't made by Game Freak.
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Wetterdew posted...

masterpug53 posted...

I made a mental list of ten of my favorite pokemon before seeing the cut list; only one of them is still in Sw/Sh. What kept me coming back to these games - in spite of their serious lack of growth and innovation - was the comfort of knowing that all existing pokemon would still be available and viable. It's weird and rather depressing to now be faced with the very real possibility of hundreds of familiar little critters being permanently put out to pasture.

Sw/Sh would need to bring some major innovations / improvements to the table in order to compensate for this, and based on what I've heard so far, Breath of the Pokewild won't reach that bar by a long shot. Add onto that the larger ratio of Gen5 and Gen6 'mons making the cut due to the director's personal preference (it bears repeating that Vanilluxe and Garbodarbodarbodor made it in over Bulbasaur and Squirtle), and the whole situation honestly stinks. It took seeing the cut list for it to finally sink in, but Dexit has genuinely soured my mood towards both Sw/Sh and the future of the franchise.

Sad to say but I think the franchise just isn't for you.

As a previous poster said, this wasn't a particularly insightful observation on your part. But you are right in the sense that Sw/Sh is shaping up to be very much not for me.
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DarthAragorn posted...

spanky1 posted...

I'm confused about the anger actually, but im out the pokemon loop.

The first game had 150 pocket monsters, right? Did every game after that only add more and never removed any? So the number only climbed higher and higher over the years? And suddenly this new game cut a bunch of them? Do i have that right?

That's right

No it isn't. Pokemon were cut as far back as gen 3
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Zeeak4444 posted...

I thought mega evolution was f***ing stupid.

Nah son.
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masterpug53 posted...

As a previous poster said, this wasn't a particularly insightful observation on your part.

You and the previous poster missed the obvious implication of "no longer" -_-

BLAKUboy posted...

Wetterdew posted...

Every new generation means new assets for every Pokemon

Gen 8 is literally reusing all the 3DS assets though.

I'm talking about new things. Pokemon adds new things like pokemon amie for example and it means you have to make new assets for all pokemon in the game even old ones. People assume it's only just battle animations and forget all the other stuff
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I understand they were under time constraints but this game looks dogs*** for a current gen console, they could have included far more pokemon then this if they wanted. Hell will there even be VA cuscenes?

That or they could at the very least have promised to include them all via dlc eventually. But GF is all about longevity, mediocrity, stagnation and a almost cult like fanbase who will buy whatever they vomit out.

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dave_is_slick posted...

DarthAragorn posted...

spanky1 posted...

I'm confused about the anger actually, but im out the pokemon loop.

The first game had 150 pocket monsters, right? Did every game after that only add more and never removed any? So the number only climbed higher and higher over the years? And suddenly this new game cut a bunch of them? Do i have that right?

That's right

No it isn't. Pokemon were cut as far back as gen 3

What? That's not true at all. Not being catchable ingame isn't the same as not being able to acquire them at all.
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masterpug53 posted...

bobbaaay posted...

masterpug53 posted...

Wetterdew posted...

Honestly there aren't any series with over 1000 characters that each get as many animations and details. Expecting them to maintain and renew all Pokemon for every game is too much when they could spend that effort making new content instead.

I think the haters are way overblowing things.

What kept me coming back to these games - in spite of their serious lack of growth and innovation - was the comfort of knowing that all existing pokemon would still be available and viable. I made a mental list of ten of my favorite pokemon before seeing the cut list; only one of them is still in Sw/Sh. It's weird and rather depressing to now be faced with the very real possibility of hundreds of familiar little critters being permanently put out to pasture.

Sw/Sh would need to bring some major innovations / improvements to the table in order to compensate for this, and based on what I've heard so far, Breath of the Pokewild won't reach that bar by a long shot. Add onto that the larger ratio of Gen5 and Gen6 'mons making the cut due to the director's personal preference (it bears repeating that the infamous duo of Vanilluxe and Garbodarbodarbodor made it in over Bulbasaur and Squirtle), and the whole situation honestly stinks. It took seeing the cut list for it to finally sink in, but Dexit has genuinely soured my mood towards both Sw/Sh and the future of the franchise.

Name the ten Pokemon.
Are they starters or legendaries? If so - no shit they were cut. Are your favorites stuff like Luvdisc and Nosepass?

Some are legendaries / starters, some aren't. But given the fact that me saying my favorites got cut seems to be catnip for the overly-aggressive defenders like yourself, I don't feel particularly enthused to recount the whole list. Serious question, what exactly are you driving at here? Are you just shitposting, or are you somehow hoping to invalidate my personal preferences to the point where I'm inexplicably enthused about this game again?

No - I'm not trying to invalidate your preferences, and I'm not trying to be overly-aggressive. I'm pointing out that they did a good job choosing the Pokemon they did to keep. Their choices made sense. They wanted to get rid of Pokemon that flooded the competitive scene. They wanted to get rid of the starters. They didn't feel a need to include all the legendaries. The Pokemon that they kept were the ones that made sense to keep.
Some of my favorites weren't included - but for real, did I ever really expect that they'd keep Heracross or Archeops? No - because I know that I'm in a minority having those two as some of my favorites.

It's like if I went into a non-trendy ice cream shop and got mad that they didn't have matcha ice cream, or blueberry pancake ice cream, or cantaloupe ice cream.

bobbaaay posted...

Irony posted...

bobbaaay posted...

How does the game not look impressive? I think it's the prettiest looking game I've ever seen after DQ11

Get glasses

Okay? Like it's pretty looking? I don't get your fucking point

It's not.
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i feel really bad for them.

i still hope that pokemon gets put in the hands of intelligent systems
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Wetterdew posted...

masterpug53 posted...

As a previous poster said, this wasn't a particularly insightful observation on your part.

You and the previous poster missed the obvious implication of "no longer" -_-

BLAKUboy posted...

Wetterdew posted...

Every new generation means new assets for every Pokemon

Gen 8 is literally reusing all the 3DS assets though.

I'm talking about new things. Pokemon adds new things like pokemon amie for example and it means you have to make new assets for all pokemon in the game even old ones. People assume it's only just battle animations and forget all the other stuff

Okay so where are all these amazing new things in the game? Where did all this effort into new ideas go that the defenders keep talking about. I am genuinely curious, I want to like the games, honestly I dont usually transfer old pokemon over and prefer having new ones.

This shit is just the last straw after the last two games have dropped the ball. And everything they show about it just looks like they don't want to put in any effort into making a better game.
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i wonder how much the low morale has to do with leaks.
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bobbaaay posted...

It's like if I went into a non-trendy ice cream shop and got mad that they didn't have matcha ice cream, or blueberry pancake ice cream, or cantaloupe ice cream.

Or it is more like trying to play a pokemon game and not being able to have Bulbasaur at any point in playing. The fuck does this ice cream have anything to do with it.
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bobbaaay posted...

It's like if I went into a non-trendy ice cream shop and got mad that they didn't have matcha ice cream, or blueberry pancake ice cream, or cantaloupe ice cream.

Yes, but the problem with your analogy is that this ice cream shop made a point to carry all of those flavors (and kept adding new ones) for over 15 years before they suddenly decided it wasn't worth the effort anymore and slashed over half of their stock. You would be justifiably disappointed in this, and not very enthused to continue giving them business.
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Guide posted...

dave_is_slick posted...

DarthAragorn posted...

spanky1 posted...

I'm confused about the anger actually, but im out the pokemon loop.

The first game had 150 pocket monsters, right? Did every game after that only add more and never removed any? So the number only climbed higher and higher over the years? And suddenly this new game cut a bunch of them? Do i have that right?

That's right

No it isn't. Pokemon were cut as far back as gen 3

What? That's not true at all. Not being catchable ingame isn't the same as not being able to acquire them at all.

No one knew about FR/LG so for all intents and purposes, they were cut.
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dave_is_slick posted...

Guide posted...

dave_is_slick posted...

DarthAragorn posted...

spanky1 posted...

I'm confused about the anger actually, but im out the pokemon loop.

The first game had 150 pocket monsters, right? Did every game after that only add more and never removed any? So the number only climbed higher and higher over the years? And suddenly this new game cut a bunch of them? Do i have that right?

That's right

No it isn't. Pokemon were cut as far back as gen 3

What? That's not true at all. Not being catchable ingame isn't the same as not being able to acquire them at all.

No one knew about FR/LG so for all intents and purposes, they were cut.

RSE sold 16 mil, FRLG sold 12 mil
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awesome999 posted...

dave_is_slick posted...

Guide posted...

dave_is_slick posted...

DarthAragorn posted...

spanky1 posted...

I'm confused about the anger actually, but im out the pokemon loop.

The first game had 150 pocket monsters, right? Did every game after that only add more and never removed any? So the number only climbed higher and higher over the years? And suddenly this new game cut a bunch of them? Do i have that right?

That's right

No it isn't. Pokemon were cut as far back as gen 3

What? That's not true at all. Not being catchable ingame isn't the same as not being able to acquire them at all.

No one knew about FR/LG so for all intents and purposes, they were cut.

RSE sold 16 mil, FRLG sold 12 mil

Don't know what that has to do with anything unless you're intentionally twisting my post.
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bobbaaay posted...

Irony posted...

bobbaaay posted...

How does the game not look impressive? I think it's the prettiest looking game I've ever seen after DQ11

Get glasses

Okay? Like it's pretty looking? I don't get your fucking point

Lmao it's basically an upscaled 3DS game
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MrNintendo1213 posted...

bobbaaay posted...

It's like if I went into a non-trendy ice cream shop and got mad that they didn't have matcha ice cream, or blueberry pancake ice cream, or cantaloupe ice cream.

Or it is more like trying to play a pokemon game and not being able to have Bulbasaur at any point in playing. The fuck does this ice cream have anything to do with it.

I said starters, legendaries, and meta-breaking units aside -- they really kept the most popular Pokemon. It has to do with you bitching about x Pokemon being included when it's probably not that popular of a Pokemon. I'm not going to bitch that there's no Heracross

s0nicfan posted...

This is about the employees, who likely have no say in those types of decisions. Their morale is low because they are probably fans of the series, and knew people would be pissed, but we're only given the time, money, and direction from management to do what they ended up doing. So of course they would be down. They're probably just as disappointed as the fans.

No. They absolutely had control over this. Nobody from Nintendo demanded they start cutting Pokemon. That was a 100% internal decision.

But cut Pokemon aside the Employees know they're doing a bad job. Nobody likes dynamax/gigantamax. The animations are shoddy and stiff and literal counterfeit Pokemon games look better. This is a huge step back in quality all so that they could add a shit raid boss co-op mode that no one asked for.

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dave_is_slick posted...

Guide posted...

dave_is_slick posted...

DarthAragorn posted...

spanky1 posted...

I'm confused about the anger actually, but im out the pokemon loop.

The first game had 150 pocket monsters, right? Did every game after that only add more and never removed any? So the number only climbed higher and higher over the years? And suddenly this new game cut a bunch of them? Do i have that right?

That's right

No it isn't. Pokemon were cut as far back as gen 3

What? That's not true at all. Not being catchable ingame isn't the same as not being able to acquire them at all.

No one knew about FR/LG so for all intents and purposes, they were cut.

No they weren't, you could get them with AR or Game Shark, unlike Sw/Sh in which they're not in at all.
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Irony posted...

bobbaaay posted...

Irony posted...

bobbaaay posted...

How does the game not look impressive? I think it's the prettiest looking game I've ever seen after DQ11

Get glasses

Okay? Like it's pretty looking? I don't get your fucking point

Lmao it's basically an upscaled 3DS game

I don't know what cinematic masterpiece games you're playing, then

Darmik posted...

I am curious how many people did trade old Pokemon to each new game. Personally I've never bothered.

Pokemon is a weird franchise in general with all sorts of conflicting expectations. If each game has like 300-400 Pokemon they're just adding a bigger and bigger backlog for themselves the longer the franchise continues. No other game has to deal with this on a similar scale.

I can't speak for everyone, but personally I've transferred up every single team I've trained, going back to the original Ruby in 2003. In addition to that, I recreated my teams from Red and Gold in the VC versions and brought them up as well.
Anytime a new game would come out, I'd train a brand new team with whatever new mons are there, then I'd bring in my older teams after beating the game so I could use them for post-game stuff.

I really enjoyed being able to look back at all these great teams I put together over the past two decades, swap them in and out, and see them in action once again. It sounds dumb, but I was proud of them all :\ Losing that is really sad for me.
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Tbh if not having all of the returning Pokemon is a deal breaker and nothing in this game interests you maybe it's time to take a break from the franchise and hope that a future game will meet your standards? It's not like the series is going anywhere.

Honestly I'm not sure how anyone could continue to play every one of these games for over a decade and not feel burnt out. Especially if they're still using the same Pokemon.
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Gheb posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

Im still not sure why this is as a big of a deal as it is.

I have almost all the Pokmon in my bank but I never transfer them to a new game or anything and dont understand why you would out of competitive play which is like 1% of the user base.

I thought mega evolution was fucking stupid. Z moves and all that shit was stupid. dynamax and gigamax sound and look stupid outside of raiding which may or may not be decent.

But dropping down the scope of Pokmon makes perfect sense.

I mean, my first playthrough on a generation, I always use all new Pokemon. But I do eventually transfer over some favorites so I can raise up a my favorites. So for me, while it wouldn't impact my actual story playthrough, I'm still miffed I'm completely locked out of most of my favorite Pokemon.

But really, I'm more appalled that their reasoning for why we couldn't get all the Pokemon was that they were too resource intensive when a) They already had future-proofed HD models for the existing 807 Pokemon and b) the game doesn't actually look all that impressive. Like I'd give their excuse a little more credit if the game was looking like BotW, but it is nowhere close to that.

And Game Freak can fuck right off with their "we are small company, please understand" bullshit. As can fans defending them by saying that Game Freak is used to making portable games so of course they are going to struggle making the game look good. Pokemon is the biggest media franchise in the history of mankind. If you don't have enough people. Hire more. If you don't have the expertise to do complex 3D modeling. Hire people who can. It's just kind of sad to me that after over 20 years, we are finally getting the first mainline Pokemon game on a home console and it looks like this.

Ah, that makes a lot more sense. I could see the anger now.
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bobbaaay posted...

I said starters, legendaries, and meta-breaking units aside -- they really kept the most popular Pokemon.

They kept a lot of them but not all of them. Heracross is popular, and so are Alakazam and Scizor.

Every game is gonna have a mixture of popular and unpopular Pokemon because they're gonna make sure every Pokemon gets used at some point, they won't just never add Luvdisc to another game ever again. I'm sure fan favorites will get some favoritism and obviously Pikachu will always be coded in for example.

SS has a ton of popular Pokemon in it including loads of fan favorites.

It's sad that they don't have all ~1000 Pokemon in existence but that doesn't mean the game is bad. From what we've heard of it, the game is shaping up well
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Darmik posted...

Tbh if not having all of the returning Pokemon is a deal breaker and nothing in this game interests you maybe it's time to take a break from the franchise and hope that a future game will meet your standards? It's not like the series is going anywhere.

Honestly I'm not sure how anyone could continue to play every one of these games for over a decade and not feel burnt out. Especially if they're still using the same Pokemon.

Not sure if directed at me, but I said I transfer my old guys up after beating the games and training a new team. I don't beat the story with the same 6 Pokemon over and over again lol.

I don't think I can really explain it any better though. It's a game about collecting. Why wouldn't it be nice to be able to keep your collection that you've worked on for years?
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LostForest posted...

Darmik posted...

Tbh if not having all of the returning Pokemon is a deal breaker and nothing in this game interests you maybe it's time to take a break from the franchise and hope that a future game will meet your standards? It's not like the series is going anywhere.

Honestly I'm not sure how anyone could continue to play every one of these games for over a decade and not feel burnt out. Especially if they're still using the same Pokemon.

Not sure if directed at me, but I said I transfer my old guys up after beating the games and training a new team. I don't beat the story with the same 6 Pokemon over and over again lol.

I don't think I can really explain it any better though. It's a game about collecting. Why wouldn't it be nice to be able to keep your collection that you've worked on for years?

Oh nah it wasn't directed at anyone.

There's a weird hostility over this game and I get that it's disappointing but some people are acting like they're being personally offended by Game Freak because some Pokemon aren't in the next entry of the series. 15 years is a pretty good run in comparison to basically anything that isn't trading cards.
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Personally I'd be more accepting of it if they launched Pokemon Home with SwSh, so you could at least do SOMETHING with your older Pokemon.

That, or they went back on their remarks and said they may add Pokemon back in at a later date. Cuz as it stands, Pokemon Go actually contains more Pokemon than SwSh ever will lol.
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LostForest posted...

Personally I'd be more accepting of it if they launched Pokemon Home with SwSh, so you could at least do SOMETHING with your older Pokemon.

That, or they at least went back on their remarks and said they may add Pokemon back in at a later date. Cuz as it stands, Pokemon Go actually contains more Pokemon than SwSh ever will lol.

That's fair enough. They really should be doing something to make Pokemon Bank worth it.
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Shy_Girl_Lily posted...

ZombiePelican posted...

I don't care, they've been getting away with putting in the bare minimum effort into their Pokemon games for more than a decade and now that level of quality is unacceptable for the platform they're working on, they're just relying on blatant lies and excuses to justify their absolute laziness and ineptitude with Sword and Shield.

You only deserve sympathy once you've done something to earn it and Game Freak have absolutely NOT earned that in the slightest

@ZombiePelican play the game first before jumping into wild conclusion

No I will not, because almost every excuse Game Freak have made to justify their laziness and ineptitude has been disproven as just that excuses. There is NO excuse for the company responsible for one of literal biggest IPs to have a game on HD capable hardware looking and running like this unless you are totally inept and incompetent at game development which surprise surprise Game Freak just happen to be

Or have you forgotten how they split their mainline Pokemon team in half to work on some new IP that was put together just as lazy and inept as you expect from Game Freak?
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ZombiePelican posted...

Shy_Girl_Lily posted...

ZombiePelican posted...

I don't care, they've been getting away with putting in the bare minimum effort into their Pokemon games for more than a decade and now that level of quality is unacceptable for the platform they're working on, they're just relying on blatant lies and excuses to justify their absolute laziness and ineptitude with Sword and Shield.

You only deserve sympathy once you've done something to earn it and Game Freak have absolutely NOT earned that in the slightest

@ZombiePelican play the game first before jumping into wild conclusion

No I will not, because almost every excuse Game Freak have made to justify their laziness and ineptitude has been disproven as just that excuses. There is NO excuse for the company responsible for one of literal biggest IPs to have a game on HD capable hardware looking and running like this unless you are totally inept and incompetent at game development which surprise surprise Game Freak just happen to be

Or have you forgotten how they split their mainline Pokemon team in half to work on some new IP that was put together just as lazy and inept as you expect from Game Freak?

Are you going to buy Sword/Shield?

Also if you're referring to that Town game it's like a super cheap budget game so doubt that it took half of their studio lol
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Wetterdew posted...

SS has a ton of popular Pokemon in it including loads of fan favorites.

It doesn't matter how many favorites it has if it's missing my favorites.

See: MvCI + Wolverine

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