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Ryuko_Chan
11/04/19 6:43:17 PM
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One young man told the inquiry: "I did not know what was happening.

"Looking back at it now, it does not feel real. It feels like some sort of nightmare.

"It was not a safe place. It was not a treatment room. I got no assessment or treatment done.

"There was no care. I was just put in this room and I lay there and went to sleep."

Another had his arm broken in a restraint, according to his mother. "His arm was wrenched up behind his back until the bone snapped. He was not then taken to accident and emergency for 24 hours even though his arm was completely swollen," she said.

Another mother said her son had been kept in isolation for up to nine hours at a time.

"The rule was that he could not leave until he was quiet," she told the inquiry.

"With his anxiety and sensory presentation, there was no way this was possible.

"He started to bang his head against the wall and would bite the wood in the doorframe out of desperation."


the people behind this deserve the death penalty but will not even get a fine
im so mad at this holy shit
https://www.bbc.com/news/education-50252079
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Garioshi
11/04/19 6:44:48 PM
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What the fuck
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Ryuko_Chan
11/04/19 8:01:31 PM
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bump
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Zikten
11/04/19 8:04:35 PM
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How is this happening in the 21st century in a first world nation?
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Ryuko_Chan
11/04/19 8:04:59 PM
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Zikten posted...
How is this happening in the 21st century in a first world nation?

i have no fucking clue it makes me furious
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COVxy
11/04/19 8:07:15 PM
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Isolation rooms can be quite necessary for kids with severe autism.
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Gafemage
11/04/19 8:07:33 PM
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Ryuko_Chan posted...
the people behind this deserve the death penalty but will not even get a fine

I'd be 100% ok with doxing in this scenario tbqh
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konokonohamaru
11/04/19 8:07:51 PM
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Zikten posted...
How is this happening in the 21st century in a first world nation?

Nationalized healthcare
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Ryuko_Chan
11/04/19 8:08:34 PM
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COVxy posted...
Isolation rooms can be quite necessary for kids with severe autism.

delete your account holy shit
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spudger
11/04/19 8:09:43 PM
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shit happens in the states too

unforgiveable
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CelestialVoices
11/04/19 8:12:20 PM
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gross
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COVxy
11/04/19 8:13:05 PM
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Ryuko_Chan posted...
COVxy posted...
Isolation rooms can be quite necessary for kids with severe autism.

delete your account holy shit


Lol. You have no experience with kids with severe autism. There's an brewing movement of woowoo-ology with autism, where people claim that all treatment of autism is abuse. It's dangerous.

People say the same shit about ABA therapy, claiming it's abuse.

Isolation can be necessary, but it can be abused. The point was to make it clear that isolation rooms in-and-of-themselves aren't abuse.
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Zikten
11/04/19 8:15:50 PM
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why do they need to be isolated?
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COVxy
11/04/19 8:19:33 PM
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Zikten posted...
why do they need to be isolated?


Because they aggress and cause extreme harm to themselves and caretakers in their episodes.
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Ryuko_Chan
11/04/19 8:20:44 PM
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yeah and ur disgustingly concern trolling considering thats NOT WHAT HAPPENED
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COVxy
11/04/19 8:23:24 PM
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Ryuko_Chan posted...
yeah and ur disgustingly concern trolling considering thats NOT WHAT HAPPENED


Would you say there are circumstances where isolation rooms are necessary in the ongoing care and treatment of kids (used loosely, as this is often the case with 18+ patients in care facilities) with severe autism?
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Ryuko_Chan
11/04/19 8:27:19 PM
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of course not, it will make things worse
and again youre deflecting and concern trolling
go away
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COVxy
11/04/19 8:27:54 PM
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Ryuko_Chan posted...
of course not


Exactly why I made my original post. Just to be clear, every long term care facility for people with severe autism that I know about has isolation rooms.
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coh
11/04/19 8:29:25 PM
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As someone with autism I think covxy has a point
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Rexdragon125
11/04/19 8:30:58 PM
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Breaking autistic kids arms, haha funny joke right?

Get a life
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Zikten
11/04/19 8:31:45 PM
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the article literally points out that it was not the right move and that it's caused some of the patients to regress in their condition. it made things worse. so no, they shouldn't do it
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COVxy
11/04/19 8:32:51 PM
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Zikten posted...
the article literally points out that it was not the right move and that it's caused some of the patients to regress in their condition. it made things worse. so no, they shouldn't do it


I mean, patients aren't supposed to be locked in there for very long. It's supposed to be a brief intervention until the outburst has calmed to a managable level.
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Comfy_Pillow
11/04/19 8:39:22 PM
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Pretty much every elementary school has an isolation room for kids with severe autism here in the US

You guys dont know anything
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Mistere Man
11/04/19 8:44:25 PM
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Sounds a little like some of my childhood, well except for the arm breaking as I wasnt that frail.
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DK9292
11/06/19 6:12:28 PM
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The worst part is I'm not surprised.

The older I get, the more I realise what a shithole this country is.
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averagejoel
11/08/19 7:31:55 AM
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COVxy posted...
Ryuko_Chan posted...
COVxy posted...
Isolation rooms can be quite necessary for kids with severe autism.

delete your account holy shit


Lol. You have no experience with kids with severe autism. There's an brewing movement of woowoo-ology with autism, where people claim that all treatment of autism is abuse. It's dangerous.

People say the same shit about ABA therapy, claiming it's abuse.

Isolation can be necessary, but it can be abused. The point was to make it clear that isolation rooms in-and-of-themselves aren't abuse.

has it occurred to you that a topic about kids who are unambiguously being abused might not be the best place to bring this up?
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SH_expert44
11/08/19 7:39:09 AM
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Comfy_Pillow posted...
Pretty much every elementary school has an isolation room for kids with severe autism here in the US

You guys dont know anything

I worked at a high school built in 2006 that had one of these quiet rooms. Padded walls and door and everything.

The ASD room also had speakers set up (im guessing they were to play calming music or something) around the ceiling, and the lights in the room were much much softer than any other class.
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COVxy
11/08/19 7:46:19 AM
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averagejoel posted...
has it occurred to you that a topic about kids who are unambiguously being abused might not be the best place to bring this up?


Naw, people often deliberately mix these things to demonstrate whatever broad and improper viewpoint they want.

It's the same tactic that PETA uses.

The need for the point was demonstrated by the responses of TC to the question "are isolation rooms ever necessary?"
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hockeybub89
11/08/19 7:46:28 AM
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#NotAllIsolationRooms

really necessary posts in this topic
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averagejoel
11/08/19 7:57:27 AM
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COVxy posted...
Naw

allow me to state it differently: a topic about kids who are unambiguously being abused is, in fact, not a good place to bring up your issue

COVxy posted...
The need for the point was demonstrated by the responses of TC to the question "are isolation rooms ever necessary?"

no it was not
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COVxy
11/08/19 7:58:51 AM
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If you say so.

IIRC, you're a big fan of neurotribes, right?
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hockeybub89
11/08/19 8:03:18 AM
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Covxy likes to assume everyone is some woowoo alt-science idiot for some reason. He'd defend Autism Speaks just because we need to fight back against people who think autism is healthy and untreatable.
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averagejoel
11/08/19 8:06:32 AM
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COVxy posted...
If you say so.

IIRC, you're a big fan of neurotribes, right?

yes. steve silberman is a good writer, and is very knowledgeable on the subject
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COVxy
11/08/19 8:07:42 AM
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averagejoel posted...
COVxy posted...
If you say so.

IIRC, you're a big fan of neurotribes, right?

yes. steve silberman is a good writer, and is very knowledgeable on the subject


And the main progenitor of this bullshit ideology lol.
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COVxy
11/08/19 8:08:39 AM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Covxy likes to assume everyone is some woowoo alt-science idiot for some reason. He'd defend Autism Speaks just because we need to fight back against people who think autism is healthy and untreatable.


It's not an assumption if you have first hand knowledge of someone's positions lol
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averagejoel
11/08/19 8:11:16 AM
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COVxy posted...
averagejoel posted...
COVxy posted...
If you say so.

IIRC, you're a big fan of neurotribes, right?

yes. steve silberman is a good writer, and is very knowledgeable on the subject


And the main progenitor of this bullshit ideology lol.

what bullshit ideology?

you're the one who started spewing irrelevant shit about isolation rooms in a topic about kids being left in them for 9 hours and having their arms broken
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COVxy
11/08/19 8:12:02 AM
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That's cool and all, but mind telling the class what you think of ABA therapy?
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averagejoel
11/08/19 8:13:05 AM
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COVxy posted...
That's cool and all, but mind telling the class what you think of ABA therapy?

stay on topic please
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COVxy
11/08/19 8:15:08 AM
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Hmmm
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averagejoel
11/08/19 8:16:45 AM
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COVxy posted...
Hmmm

do not deflect. you are in the wrong here. end of discussion.
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COVxy
11/08/19 8:20:29 AM
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If you say so.

I do the same thing to people who only post topics about muslims blowing shit up.

Context is important to combat propoganda. Context is never a bad thing.
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MrMallard
11/08/19 8:27:40 AM
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COVxy posted...
Isolation rooms can be quite necessary for kids with severe autism.

Obviously not in this case, where the condition of freedom is for an autistic person to be silent in a situation where this would not be a possible outcome for that person in that environment.

No-one's calling for the death of isolation rooms, but in this case it was uncalled for and it further agitated a person who had no business being confined like that.
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hockeybub89
11/08/19 8:28:24 AM
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COVxy posted...
If you say so.

I do the same thing to people who only post topics about muslims blowing shit up.

Context is important to combat propoganda. Context is never a bad thing.

But the article is not propaganda, so even if TC has an agenda, the OP does little to support it. If people are too ignorant read the article properly, then they definitely aren't going to read your posts properly.

It seems like it would make more sense to attack TC directly than to treat the article as propaganda.
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COVxy
11/08/19 8:30:37 AM
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Wasnt calling the article propoganda...
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teepan95
11/08/19 8:37:00 AM
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My brother is autistic

I'm glad we got out of the UK when we did
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averagejoel
11/08/19 8:40:13 AM
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COVxy posted...
If you say so.

I know so.

COVxy posted...
I do the same thing to people who only post topics about muslims blowing shit up

what you're doing in here is the opposite of that. like if this were a story about an imam in the US getting beaten up by police, your posts are the equivalent of responding with an article about a church in the middle east getting blown up by a brown person who probably wasn't even muslim
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COVxy
11/08/19 8:43:49 AM
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That's a weird analogy lol
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averagejoel
11/08/19 8:50:27 AM
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COVxy posted...
That's a weird analogy lol

you compared this topic to

people who only post topics about muslims blowing shit up.


my analogy is being overly generous to you, since this topic wasn't propaganda in the first place.
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