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Waterfall
11/15/19 12:30:18 AM
#251:


It's really sad, really sad and really pathetic, that everyone is villainizing Missy and Elizabeth for their "I can take care of myself, thank you very much" attitude.

In this bold new wolrd of social just warriors, you're either a righteous, goody-two-shoe sissy, or a devil.
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GTM
11/15/19 12:33:22 AM
#252:


is this considered spam

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Waterfall
11/15/19 12:34:19 AM
#253:


GTM posted...
is this considered spam
That's about the quality of defense I was expecting from ones who hold the opinions I argued against.
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11/15/19 12:36:51 AM
#254:


I don't think I'm on the other side!

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UnderUrMattress
11/15/19 1:24:08 AM
#255:


Eliza says she is done-zo with watching the show after S40.
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3DSRage
11/15/19 1:33:50 AM
#256:


I don't care about all the sexual harassment stuff. We kind of lose our humanity when we lose our ability to touch and connect. We've kind of become transactional and cold as a species.

I do, however, despise manipulating someone's empathy for the game. Lying is cool, but what they did to
Janet was filthy! I still like them, though!
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Waterfall
11/15/19 1:35:31 AM
#257:


3DSRage posted...
but what they did to
Janet was filthy!
Janet never even spoke to Missy.
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Waterfall
11/15/19 1:37:39 AM
#258:


Janet is a genuinely wonderful person, a class act, but if you're going to try to be someone's champion in a game of lies and deceit, maybe you should try talking to them. She got spun the story Kellee had told her, and she fell for it (just like she fell for Kelle's lie about Noura, at the very start of the episode. As wonderful as she is, Janet is a bit naive, or perhaps a bit too trusting).
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UnderUrMattress
11/15/19 1:48:45 AM
#259:


Why would she have any doubts about what they are saying though? With how sensitive of a topic it is, do you really think that it would even cross her mind that she was being manipulated about this whole matter?
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UnderUrMattress
11/15/19 1:52:45 AM
#260:


I'm aware this is probably me biting into trollbait but whatever
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Waterfall
11/15/19 2:19:56 AM
#261:


UnderUrMattress posted...
Why would she have any doubts about what they are saying though? With how sensitive of a topic it is, do you really think that it would even cross her mind that she was being manipulated about this whole matter?
She was misled by Kellee. She was not manipulated by Missy (who she never spoke to) or Elizabeth (who told her nothing but the truth).
She was misled by Kellee because Kellee, deceitfully or not, made it sound like all the women were in terror of Dan, when only she was.
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Naye745
11/15/19 3:33:48 AM
#262:


who is this clown
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Underleveled
11/15/19 6:12:22 AM
#263:


Let's just collectively ignore/block them please. Please?

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Underleveled
11/15/19 12:50:27 PM
#264:


UnderUrMattress posted...
Eliza says she is done-zo with watching the show after S40.
TBQH I've been leaning in this direction myself. I'll probably give it a few more years but I really am falling out of love with the show. It's sad but I am starting to feel like it's time to move on.

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Naye745
11/15/19 1:21:37 PM
#265:


after having time to listen to rob's KIA podcast, read reactions on twitter, and discuss the issue on forums, i've come to a couple conclusions different than my initial reaction:

- production should've removed dan from the game.
kellee clearly being bothered enough to elicit producer reaction (the talk that everyone received and the warning to dan), along with the documented evidence on camera of his inappropriate actions and kellee specifically asking him to stop earlier in the game, is enough in my view to justify his removal from the game. and ultimately, because the producers didn't do it, the action fell on the hands of the players affected (kellee herself and janet) to step in and deal with it themselves. because janet felt compelled to take action herself, she screwed up her own game and got gaslit by the other alliance's players in the process.
the producers were in an extraordinarily difficult position here, because they knew the extent with which the incident got conflated and intertwined with survivor the game, but they should have made that call, and the extent to which it continued to be a problem in the 2nd hour of last episode (and may continue to in future ones) is on them.

- survivor needs to hire on-site people to deal with these sensitive issues, specifically from diverse backgrounds.
i heard this one passed along from kass (and maybe others), but this seems imperative given what we've seen this week. the largely male staff was not properly prepared for how to address and handle dan's behavior, despite what i believe were genuine efforts from both jeff probst and them to not skirt around the issue. this seems the only way to move forward from this on their side imho.

all i can hope for from a survivor fan perspective is that dan gets dumped soon and we can move along with the game, because this is going to dominate the season until he's gone, even if it's not the focus of the episode like it was this week.
it's a shame because up until now we were doing surprisingly well and i had mostly forgotten about s40 looming. now it's like ugh please let's just get this over with
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BlueCrystalTear
11/15/19 1:40:07 PM
#266:


What the hell did I miss with all these deleted posts?

Peridiam posted...
Strangely enough the big casting director for Survivor, Lynne Spillman, wasn't brought on to cast S39 - she was let go after S38.

Not sure what that means but it's interesting to note!

Rumors I've heard indicate that Lynne cast Feely Dan for EOE, but he injured himself a few days before flying out and he was replaced, probably with Ron.

I too am thinking that S40 is to be the final season. I have a feeling a lot of people are in that boat and ratings will plummet unless S41 is actually something good.
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UnderUrMattress
11/15/19 1:43:25 PM
#267:


It was some edgy dbag that was defending missy and Elizabeth's actions
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eaedwards6400
11/15/19 3:03:39 PM
#268:


I disagree. I do not think the show is over at 40.
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BlueCrystalTear
11/15/19 3:27:45 PM
#269:


Who, Preston?

It was the right move for those two to vote Kellee out 6but the tactic they used was immoral and just plain vile.

eaedwards6400 posted...
I disagree. I do not think the show is over at 40.

I should have said "final" season. The one *I* consider to be where it ends. My bad.
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Underleveled
11/15/19 3:37:37 PM
#270:


Naye745 posted...
- survivor needs to hire on-site people to deal with these sensitive issues, specifically from diverse backgrounds.
i heard this one passed along from kass (and maybe others), but this seems imperative given what we've seen this week. the largely male staff was not properly prepared for how to address and handle dan's behavior, despite what i believe were genuine efforts from both jeff probst and them to not skirt around the issue. this seems the only way to move forward from this on their side imho.
I couldn't agree more with this. I'm surprised they don't already have it considering this kind of stuff was happening on the show back in the single-digit seasons.

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Underleveled
11/15/19 3:41:40 PM
#271:


BlueCrystalTear posted...
I too am thinking that S40 is to be the final season. I have a feeling a lot of people are in that boat and ratings will plummet unless S41 is actually something good.
I mean, maybe wishful thinking, but with a new decade, both on the calendar and in Survivor, looming, there's no better time to make a fresh start.

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Mewtwo59
11/15/19 4:05:03 PM
#272:


BlueCrystalTear posted...
What the hell did I miss with all these deleted posts?

Peridiam posted...
Strangely enough the big casting director for Survivor, Lynne Spillman, wasn't brought on to cast S39 - she was let go after S38.

Not sure what that means but it's interesting to note!

Rumors I've heard indicate that Lynne cast Feely Dan for EOE, but he injured himself a few days before flying out and he was replaced, probably with Ron.

I too am thinking that S40 is to be the final season. I have a feeling a lot of people are in that boat and ratings will plummet unless S41 is actually something good.


They fired Spillman before they cast for this season, so Dan can't be the reason they fired her. The rumor I heard is that she staked her job on someone in EoE, probably Wardog, and got fired when they didn't pan out. I'm not sure how much I buy it because why would someone fall on their sword for Wardog?
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eaedwards6400
11/15/19 4:16:05 PM
#273:


Wardog was on the show enough that I would consider him a fail. Now, if you said Eric, then I would believe.
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BlueCrystalTear
11/15/19 4:23:52 PM
#274:


The Wardog theory is only because The Wardog himself said somebody in casting would fall on their sword for him. It's uncertain if that was Lynne, Caitlin, Jesse (who is now co-director with Probst), or... whoever the other associates are these days. If it was Lynne, I don't know why they'd fire her over that. Because Wardog WAS an interesting character.

It's entirely possible that she staked her job on someone who didn't pan out, such as Wimpy, Chris, Eric, or Julia. Of those, Wimpy and Eric were probably the least likely to be cast. It's also possible that she didn't stake her job at all and simply chose to move in another direction due to growing conflicts (i.e. Lynne unforgivably not wanting Angelina because she's under 30 y/o and married).

Also, I didn't say that Feely Dan was what caused Lynne's downfall. I simply said that his casting is her fault.
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Underleveled
11/15/19 6:02:22 PM
#275:


I'm certain it was Wardog who Lynn fell on her sword for, even comments from Probst seem to indicate this.

Although he did admit to being wrong about Wardog so idk

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GTM
11/15/19 6:14:22 PM
#276:


Who is wimpy

This time no sarcasm, I actually dont know off the top of my head

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BlueCrystalTear
11/15/19 6:25:26 PM
#277:


EOE rankings from biggest character to biggest dud:
1. Rick Devens
(big gap)
2. Reem
3. The Wardog
4. Big Wendy
5. Julie
6. Aurora
7. Gavin
8. Lolly
9. Ron
10. Wentworth
11. Victoria
12. Aubry
13. Joe
14. David
15. Wimpy
16. Julia
17. Chris
18. Eric

Please note that my personal rankings are drastically different than this. I mean, who would have Devens as their favorite? Nobody here!
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Underleveled
11/15/19 6:42:56 PM
#278:


I agree with your top 6 but your seething hatred for Chris has got to go away. He was not the second biggest dud in the cast by a longshot and you know it.

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Underleveled
11/15/19 6:46:38 PM
#279:


I would say

Rick
Reem
Wendy
Julie
Wardog
Aurora
Lauren
Ron
Chris
Kelley
Victoria
Aubry
Gavin
Julia
David
Eric
Keith
Joe

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Troyzan
11/15/19 6:48:50 PM
#280:


BlueCrystalTear posted...
2. Reem

I like Reem as much as anyone, but you can't call that a non-personal ranking, and then place her as the second biggest character of the season, above Wardog, Wendy, and David. Her end of episode quips toward the voted out person joining Edge of Extinction is great, but hardly enough to make her the second biggest character of the season.
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BlueCrystalTear
11/15/19 6:51:14 PM
#281:


Underleveled posted...
I agree with your top 6 but your seething hatred for Chris has got to go away. He was not the second biggest dud in the cast by a longshot and you know it.

He was a dud, though - which is precisely why production hates his win just as much as we do. They chose to edit him the way they did for a reason. If he'd gone away at merge like he should have, what do you say about him then?
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Underleveled
11/15/19 7:04:47 PM
#282:


BlueCrystalTear posted...
He was a dud, though - which is precisely why production hates his win just as much as we do. They chose to edit him the way they did for a reason. If he'd gone away at merge like he should have, what do you say about him then?
That depends. Does he still get the same pre-merge edit? Probably not, but if so, I still wouldn't have him in my bottom 3. As it stands though, the finale alone makes him not a dud. First he tricks Lauren into burning her idol, then immediately snakes her. Then he pulls off one of the ballsiest moves of all time specifically to avoid being called a "dud winner," and in doing so likely prevents the biggest attention whore in the history of the show from winning. People hate his win because it validated a sucky twist and is likely at least partially responsible for it coming back next season, not because he was a dud of a character.

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Mewtwo59
11/15/19 7:07:12 PM
#283:


Edge of Extinction was coming back next season no matter what. You can tell they weren't happy with Chris winning and they brought it back anyway.
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Underleveled
11/15/19 7:33:23 PM
#284:


Gonna do two simulated seasons featuring players from 35-39 (excluding 38's returnees, but those confirmed to be on the real S40 are eligible). First will be a truly random season featuring 10 men and 10 women drawn by an RNG. I just drew the men and.... it could have been much worse but I'm hoping for a much better draw with the women.

The second will be hand-picked, what I think an all-star season from those five should look like.

EDIT: Pulled the women and... better, but still some duds/awfuls.

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UnderUrMattress
11/15/19 7:40:42 PM
#285:


Rick was the only reason eoe was tolerable.
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Underleveled
11/15/19 7:42:32 PM
#286:


UnderUrMattress posted...
Rick was the only reason eoe was tolerable.
Rick was the biggest problem with EoE and one of the 5 or so biggest unilateral drains ever on a season.

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Underleveled
11/15/19 7:48:47 PM
#287:


Pre-jury:
20th - Jason Linden
19th - Stephanie Gonzalez
18th - Noura Salman
17th - Katrina Radke
16th - Ryan Ulrich
15th - Mike Zahalsky
14th - Julia Carter

Jury:
13th - Davie Rickenbacker
12th - Victoria Baamonde
11th - Gavin Whitson
10th - Kellyn Bechtold
9th - Rick Devens
8th - Julie Rosenberg
7th - John Hennigan
6th - Simon Nguyen
5th - Jack Nichting
4th - Dean Kowalski

2nd (tie) - Eric Hafemann (votes from Dean and Kellyn)
2nd (tie) - Elaine Stott (votes from Jack and Victoria)
1st - Morgan Ricke (votes from Simone, John, Julie, Rick, Gavin, and Davie)

Fan Favorite - Victoria

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BlueCrystalTear
11/15/19 7:55:06 PM
#288:


Underleveled posted...
1st - Morgan Ricke (votes from Simone, John, Julie, Rick, Gavin, and Davie)

this made me smile
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GTM
11/16/19 2:53:41 AM
#289:


I... still dont know who wimpy is

I thought it was like Gavin or Ron or Wendy but theyre all there

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GTM
11/16/19 2:57:08 AM
#290:


okay it's either Keith or Lauren but I'm assuming Keith

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BlueCrystalTear
11/16/19 7:14:45 AM
#291:


GTM posted...
okay it's either Keith or Lauren but I'm assuming Keith

I didn't remember his actual name because I've only called him Wimpy, but it's definitely not Lolly lol
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Underleveled
11/16/19 10:05:21 AM
#292:


Wimpy is Keith

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Underleveled
11/16/19 9:25:47 PM
#293:


@Troyzan good to see you again btw

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MartinFF7
11/16/19 11:55:05 PM
#294:


Underleveled posted...
Fan Favorite - Victoria

Hell yeah

Victoria is probably my favourite contestant in the past few seasons, damn. I knew she wasn't going to win but the fact she was first out in the EoE finale, so sad... pretty sure she's top of my list for someone I'd like to see returned, her and Kellee. Truly a devastating elim.
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Underleveled
11/17/19 12:08:10 AM
#295:


MartinFF7 posted...
someone I'd like to see returned, her and Kellee.
Speaking of which, this was also a thing I did on BrantSteele last night, my "actual" All-Stars for 35-39...

Pre-jury:
20th - Rick Devens
19th - Angelina Keeley
18th - Domenick Abbate
17th - Janet Carbin
16th - Reem Daly
15th - Christian Hubicki
14th - Jamal Shipman

Jury:
13th - Ben Driebergen
12th - Noura Salman
11th - Kellyn Bechtold
10th - Chris Noble
9th - Gabby Pascuzzi
8th - Aurora McCreary
7th - Davie Rickenbacker
6th - Kellee Kim
5th - Devon Pinto
4th - Lauren Rimmer

3rd - Joe Mena (vote from Lauren)
2nd - Chrissy Hofbeck (votes from Davie and Kellyn)
1st - Michael Yerger (votes from Devon, Kellee, Aurora, Gabby, Chris, Noura, and Ben)

Fan Favorite - Kellyn

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MartinFF7
11/17/19 12:14:11 AM
#296:


No Victoria, no peace!

And when i saw Lauren I thought you might have redeemed yourself but wrong (non-cutie) Lauren... damn that EoE finale.

(TBH that's a pretty good list though, but maybe winners excluded from all-star casting...)
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GTM
11/17/19 2:52:12 AM
#298:


Aurora is one of my favorites but she is not an all-star

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11/17/19 2:54:17 AM
#299:


I think they would cast Lauren instead of Aurora in a theoretical all-stars, since they seem to love the "2 people with the same name" thing, it's happened way too often

sorry victoria

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MartinFF7
11/17/19 3:21:15 AM
#300:


Look, I need some diversity in my casting choices for an all-star season. Name me a cuter redhead in Survivor history, I'll wait.
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Underleveled
11/17/19 10:55:46 AM
#301:


MartinFF7 posted...
And when i saw Lauren I thought you might have redeemed yourself but wrong (non-cutie) Lauren... damn that EoE finale.

GTM posted...
I think they would cast Lauren instead of Aurora in a theoretical all-stars, since they seem to love the "2 people with the same name" thing, it's happened way too often

My 10th woman did come down to Aurora or Lauren O. Ironically I went with Aurora to avoid the double name. I also considered Libby since they always seem to cast one random chick who isn't all-star worthy but are hoping will pull a Parvati and she seemed like she'd fit that bill.
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