Board 8 > STAR. WARS. TRAILER. (caps)

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I don't think it's necessarily just as a backlash towards the new trilogy. The prequels are probably just nostalgic to a lot of people now. The 2nd and 3rd Jurassic Park movies have gone through a similar resurgence in popularity, as has Predator 2.

I think the prequel trilogy's main problem was that it simply lacked the widespread appeal of the original trilogy, which is I suppose a little unfair. Conversely many problems with the sequel trilogy seem to arise from an attempt to chase after the same widespread appeal the original trilogy just so happened to have without actively going for it. That being said, when I re-watched the OT last year I finished with more of a desire to see what happens next than what happened before, so I'm firmly in the anti-prequel camp (also remember not liking the films, and when I watched the CinemaWins of them recently I just came away thinking "meh, this is just not for me").
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LeonhartFour posted...

*flees*

flees, more like floats through space
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The prequels do have some cool stuff mixed in with all the cringe.

Mauls design is great and the fight is also pretty good
Samuel Jedi Jackson
Obi investigating the clones
Yoda vs Dooku
Palpatine excellence

I dont think the ST added anything I really cared about sadly. Theyre beautifully made, but I just dont really like or care about any of the new characters. Rey is boring, the big bad group is a big nothing, Kylo is as intimidating as a wet noodle and TLJ kinda ruined Poe while robbing Finn of a good conclusion to his character.

What probably bugs me the most though is I just cant tell what these new movies want to do at all.

Kylo isn't really meant to be intimidating. I like how he seems to grow into his role as the villain as the films progress. Interesting how for all the flack the sequel trilogy gets for re-hashing the original trilogy, the things it does differently tend to draw the most ire from fans. Although the new stuff TLJ introduces to the franchise feels forced and doesn't contribute much to me.

Never had much problem with The Force Awakens "re-hashing" A New Hope anyway. It isn't even really a re-hash, it just has lots of similar occurrences. The prequels weren't arguably any different, not to mention by this logic many action movies of the '90s were re-hashes of Die Hard. And it's hardly a plot Star Wars invented in the first place anyway!

Also a lot of sequel trilogy haters bring up MauLer, who seems to be to this trilogy what Mr. Pinkett was to the prequels. I've tried watching his critique of The Force Awakens and am 15 minutes into part 2 - and uh, I think he makes some good points about how the film runs on plot contrivances to make it similar to A New Hope, but that information could have been conveyed in A LOT less time. Not to mention I swear he's a robot.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

LeonhartFour posted...

*flees*

flees, more like floats through space

*rams through topic at lightspeed*
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ExThaNemesis posted...

LeonhartFour posted...

*flees*

flees, more like floats through space

Oh yeah, this and the whole "dropping bombs in space" thing, I mean, I know even in the original trilogy the space combat scenes owed a lot to aerial dogfights, but now it's just reaching the breaking point. Also the First Order could have just shot the Resistance ships fleeing the base at the beginning instead of pounding the base. Oh well. To be fair, this movie's director told people not to worry about how time travel works in Looper so perhaps we should have expected this, but wow the more I think about it Rian Johnson was not a good choice to direct TLJ.
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Thats kind of the problem for me though. Hes supposed to be a villain in a series thats basically about space samurai/wizards and he constantly looks like hes about to cry when hes not throwing tantrums like a baby

all right time to stop talking about TLJ to stop enabling LMS
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Ugh MauLer, I think that guys sucks.
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GANON1025 posted...

Ugh MauLer, I think that guys sucks.

Stupid guy is literally hung up on how people with "Stone Age technology" can mine Vibranium when it's clear to anyone the Wakandans only pretend to have Stone Age tech. About as good a reason as any for me not to watch his rage video on Black Panther, which I know I like a lot (no masterpiece, but still).
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swordz9 posted...

The prequels do have some cool stuff mixed in with all the cringe.

Mauls design is great and the fight is also pretty good
Samuel Jedi Jackson
Obi investigating the clones
Yoda vs Dooku
Palpatine excellence

I dont think the ST added anything I really cared about sadly. Theyre beautifully made, but I just dont really like or care about any of the new characters. Rey is boring, the big bad group is a big nothing, Kylo is as intimidating as a wet noodle and TLJ kinda ruined Poe while robbing Finn of a good conclusion to his character.

What probably bugs me the most though is I just cant tell what these new movies want to do at all.

Yoda versus Dooku is dumb.

Also, Kylo Ren is glorious.

Carry on

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Thinking on it, one of the things that kind of annoys me about the prequel fights is the overreliance on the "Force push."
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LinkMarioSamus posted...

The prequels are probably just nostalgic to a lot of people now. The 2nd and 3rd Jurassic Park movies have gone through a similar resurgence in popularity, as has Predator 2.

Hey now don't besmirch Predator 2 by comparing it to the Star Wars prequels

everyone always kinda liked that one anyway

I dont mind the Force push since I like seeing the Force used more in the fights. They could make better use of it, but oh well. The animated Clone Wars movie is amazing at least with Force powers. It truly makes them feel like samurai/wizard superhumans and its awesome.

I say this all the time but what really boosts the prequels is the exploration of its content in other media

in other words, resurrect LucasArts plz



T_T
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LeonhartFour posted...

Thinking on it, one of the things that kind of annoys me about the prequel fights is the overreliance on the "Force push."

Most prequel duels just arent visceral and weighty enough for me at all. The sequels brought that back. For some in our age group, the flashier approach is the good one. I can respect that opinion but its certainly not my own. ESB/ROTJ/TFA/TLJ all have terrific lightsaber action that I would legitimately rank above not just the AOTC nonsense but even the TPM and final ROTS fare.

GuessMyUserName posted...

I say this all the time but what really boosts the prequels is the exploration of its content in other media

in other words, resurrect LucasArts plz



T_T

The Clone Wars is definitely the best thing to come out of that era. I want Disney+ to further that approach for the sequel era.

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swordz9 posted...

I dont mind the Force push since I like seeing the Force used more in the fights. They could make better use of it, but oh well. The animated Clone Wars movie is amazing at least with Force powers. It truly makes them feel like samurai/wizard superhumans and its awesome.

Yeah, thats the fundamental divide here. I dont enjoy the wizard superhumans thing nearly as much. The samurai part? Hell yes.

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yeah definitely Clone Wars is in that exploration (more obviously really since it is *Clone Wars* after all)

but my LucasArts baby you will always come first
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I do prefer the samurai part, but the Force can do some cool stuff too. Honestly my favorite display of power in the whole series that Ive seen is Mace Windu punching droids to pieces with his badass martial arts

The force needs a better showing in movies.
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swordz9 posted...

I do prefer the samurai part, but the Force can do some cool stuff too. Honestly my favorite display of power in the whole series that Ive seen is Mace Windu punching droids to pieces with his badass martial arts

It's strange, but I like the more wizard-y stuff more in The Clone Wars than in the prequel films themselves. Maybe the animation style lends itself better to that flavor than early 2000s live action efforts did.

And just to be clear, I do enjoy the Qui Gon/Obi Wan/Maul and Anakin/Obi Wan duels a fair bit. I just don't really care for them as much as the weightier stuff in the other two trilogies! I also adore that, like, seven seconds tops in Attack of the Clones when Anakin dual-wields. That's badass. (It's the rest of that encounter that I'm completely meh over.)

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GuessMyUserName posted...

yeah definitely Clone Wars is in that exploration (more obviously really since it is *Clone Wars* after all)

but my LucasArts baby you will always come first

Half the reason I've played Battlefront II (the new one) is because the starfighter combat holds a couple of candles to the stuff in the X-Wing and Rogue Squadron series. I miss those fiercely. KOTOR and KOTOR 2 are beasts too; even bigger beasts.

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I didn't know there was a particular fondness for EP1/EP2 after the sequel trilogy. That's kinda weird to me. I guess it makes sense though. I have some nutty Star Wars fan friends that say EP1 and EP2 added more to "the lore" of Star Wars which makes them better than the sequel trilogy, and I can sorta see the argument. Like I think there are a lot more interesting concepts and characters introduced in those movies. The sequel trilogy is kinda just introducing uninspired rehashes of stuff we've already seen, and what little new stuff we do see feeling more like stuff that wasn't thought out introduced for shock factor that adds more plot holes than things to the lore.

I do agree that the Obi Wan subplot of EP2 is the best part between the two, but I'd still take EP1 over EP2 just because the rest of EP2 with Padme/Anakin is just so bad.

Revenge of the Sith is good though. Better pacing and more action is all the prequel trilogy needed to be watchable in a cheesy over the top kinda way. If romance or bad child actors aren't involved the bad stuff in the prequel trilogy is not really cringey.
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Yeah, the one thing I'll give to the prequels is that they made a legit effort to try to expand the universe, which the sequel trilogy hasn't really done to this point.
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Lopen posted...

I didn't know there was a particular fondness for EP1/EP2 after the sequel trilogy. That's kinda weird to me. I guess it makes sense though. I have some nutty Star Wars fan friends that say EP1 and EP2 added more to "the lore" of Star Wars which makes them better than the sequel trilogy, and I can sorta see the argument. Like I think there are a lot more interesting concepts and characters introduced in those movies. The sequel trilogy is kinda just introducing uninspired rehashes of stuff we've already seen, and what little new stuff we do see feeling more like stuff that wasn't thought out introduced for shock factor that adds more plot holes than things to the lore.

I do agree that the Obi Wan subplot of EP2 is the best part between the two, but I'd still take EP1 over EP2 just because the rest of EP2 with Padme/Anakin is just so bad.

Revenge of the Sith is good though. Better pacing and more action is all the prequel trilogy needed to be watchable in a cheesy over the top kinda way. If romance or bad child actors aren't involved the bad stuff in the prequel trilogy is not really cringey.

I'm in the camp of, "the original trilogy remains the best; the sequel trilogy is making impressive in-roads toward second place to say the least; the prequel trilogy isn't terrible."

The prequels definitely exhibit stronger worldbuilding than the sequels, which is the one downfall for the latter. Otherwise it's night and day, I think, but I still don't hate 1 through 3.

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I once asked how someone could think TLJ is worse than the prequels on YouTube, giving a list of all the dumb crap in the latter, and they replied with "How about three letters SJW".

Good to know the ridiculous culture wars are clouding peoples' judgements on the films. I don't understand how Star Wars fans get outraged at being called bigots when they literally blame the main characters' race and gender for the films' faults.
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I hate 1-2, and 8. 7 is watchable because it's basically a rehash of a legit good movie so it has a certain quality floor, but is ultimately not really worth the two hours.

3 is the only movie I legit enjoy of the PT/ST so I give it the nod right now, but if the finish of the ST is actually good it could win overall. I don't have a lot of faith but Palpatine is a great man.

All the OT is great though.
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LinkMarioSamus posted...

I don't understand how Star Wars fans get outraged at being called bigots when they literally blame the main characters' race and gender for the films' faults.

hashtag not all star wars fans

I for one thought Holdo was a good character
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CassandraCain posted...

LinkMarioSamus posted...

I don't understand how Star Wars fans get outraged at being called bigots when they literally blame the main characters' race and gender for the films' faults.

hashtag not all star wars fans

I for one thought Holdo was a good character

I'm not a fan of the movie either, I'm not saying anyone who dislikes TLJ is racist or sexist, and to be fair I don't think anyone actually said that. Or at least wasn't specifically addressing people with legitimate gripes.
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Holdo isnt bad even if theres one terribly written event with her and Poe that makes no sense whatsoever.

holdo > poe
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Poe is the most overrated character in the sequel trilogy. Just not a fan of that guy.
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I have no idea what anyone gets from his existence, just the idea that he's even a main cast member is so bizarre to me.
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Id probably rank Poe second of the new main character squad, but even first place isnt worth much there.

Poe wasn't even supposed to be a main character. He was originally going to die in the first movie. That explains why he barely does anything in it.

He seems like he could potentially be a cool character, but he's so poorly written. He's absolutely awful in TLJ. And I find it really weird how the movies try to play up him Finn and Rey as being this new trio of close friends when they've barely interacted with each other in canon, let alone as like a primary trio to compare to Luke/Leia/Han.

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I dont remember much of anything that he did, but Poe seems cool. Like you look at him and hear him talk and think thats a rad dude kind of like how Han Solo was rad but its comparatively paper thin coolness in comparison.
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Yeah, Poe has stuff youd expect of the cool character. He just doesnt have the content to go with it

I really like Finn. I feel like the movies hadn't had an important character like him before now.
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Poe kinda has the same thing that people overrate Balthier for

His supporting cast is kinda boring so you just wanna cling to a character that even seems kinda cool

It's just even worse because at least Ashe and Basch are decent. I guess Finn is okay but there's like nothing there in terms of other characters to really attach yourself to.
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TFA Poe is solid, though he obviously takes a backseat once Han shows up.
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Lopen posted...

Poe kinda has the same thing that people overrate Balthier for

His supporting cast is kinda boring so you just wanna cling to a character that even seems kinda cool

well except Balthier actually is cool
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I think Poe's a better character than Balthier

Balthier's one note that seems good because the rest of the cast sucks
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Lopen posted...

Poe kinda has the same thing that people overrate Balthier for

His supporting cast is kinda boring so you just wanna cling to a character that even seems kinda cool

It's just even worse because at least Ashe and Basch are decent. I guess Finn is okay but there's like nothing there in terms of other characters to really attach yourself to.

I personally don't like how the flight and dogfighting is in the new trilogy. The OT obviously they didn't have the graphics / tech, but it was slower and more personal. When they hit a shot it was something to cheer for. Then you have Poe in episode 7 just doing flips and with perfect precision not missing a single shot and all in a line scoring a Killtacular on the TIEs like it's nothing. It is hard to cheer for something like that.

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Poe's decent. He's easily the weakest of the big four. (Easily.) But he's alright.

I liked Abrams Poe a bit more than Johnson Poe, even though I feel like his existence as a character wasn't as paper thin in The Last Jedi. (And not just due to comparative screentime reasons, either.) Neither of them are anything to write home about but I don't think he's boring at all. Just thin.

Rey > Kylo > Finn > Poe. More to the point, Rey > Kylo > Finn >>> Poe.

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Wow, how dare you forget to rank BB-8

BB-8 is cool but he's no R2

we need more evil BB unit from TLJ imhotbqh
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LeonhartFour posted...

BB-8 is cool but he's no R2

we need more evil BB unit from TLJ imhotbqh

Don't remind me how irritated I am that I feel like DJ (Benicio del Toro's character) probably won't be in The Rise of Skywalker at all

(Yes, somehow this reminded me)

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until we find out that DJ stands for Darth Jones and he's Palpatine's new apprentice
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LeonhartFour posted...

until we find out that DJ stands for Darth Jones and he's Palpatine's new apprentice

REY: "You've made a tragic mistake, Darth. You don't even own a lightsaber, let alone know how to wield one. I'm going to carve you like butter."
DJ: "Mmmmmaybe"

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Where does Jeff Zero rank Rose among the mains?