Current Events > Is it a common thing for people to believe that cures are being hidden from

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The public. For example, cancer cures
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Cures aren't being hidden, they aren't even being researched
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No, that's mostly for nutters.
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I guess. People, as a whole, like to believe that their the only ones (or one of the few) who know the truth and big pharma is an easy target seeing as how theyre basically a super-villain organization in real life.

Fact is sick patients are more valuable to the health industry than healthy ones.

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The thing is that cancer is not a single disease, there are multiple different variations that behaves different. A single cure for all of them is probably impossible.
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Foppe posted...

The thing is that cancer is not a single disease, there are multiple different variations that behaves different. A single cure for all of them is probably impossible.

I agree, it's why is had "cancer cures", plural.
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Letron_James posted...

Fact is sick patients are more valuable to the health industry than healthy ones.

Rather treat than cure
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Letron_James posted...

Fact is sick patients are more valuable to the health industry than healthy ones.

CURING THEM MAKES MONEY

Like holy fuck how dense can anyone be to believe this. There are countless diseases that have been cured and some even eradicated from the human population
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Letron_James posted...

Fact is sick patients are more valuable to the health industry than healthy ones.

Maybe in an economy with no competetion.

In the real world, doing something better than everyone else is how you make money. Or rather, convincing the public you do something better than everyone else. Which may soumd cynical but actually doing it better is probably tbe easiest way to convince the public lol.
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Yeah the whole healthcare industry collectively decided that it's best to not make money off of a cancer cure.
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Smashingpmkns posted...

Yeah the whole healthcare industry collectively decided that it's best to not make money off of a cancer cure.

Right? And all of the doctors in the entire world just shook hands and agreed not to cure some diseases
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What makes more money? Charging for something exactly one time or charging for something multiple times over months or even years?

You can say that they could just sell the cancer cure for one million or more, but who could realistically afford to buy it? Almost no one. Also, cancer treatment would bring in a lot more than that in the long run.

There's just no incentive to cure when you're already bringing in hundreds of billions per year for treatment that might buy you a few more years at most.

There's also the issue of overpopulation. If we cured all diseases, how do we deal with the population swell when life expectancy increases to 100 or something?

I agree that cures are complicated, but if there's no money to be made it's not going to be done. It's a business first and foremost. Like we keep hearing about the looming antibiotic resistance crisis that will lead to the deaths of millions worldwide. But no one is interested in investing in an alternative even though there are better ones available (phages) because there's no money to be made in it.
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Ultima Dragon posted...

There's just no incentive to cure when you're already bringing in hundreds of billions per year for treatment that might buy you a few more years at most.

Right and every single medical doctor in the entire world is only doing it for the cash, right?

Also there are no up and coming companies that could explode into the market with a cancer cure either
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If those people are stupid, yeah
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MC_BatCommander posted...

Ultima Dragon posted...

There's just no incentive to cure when you're already bringing in hundreds of billions per year for treatment that might buy you a few more years at most.

Right and every single medical doctor in the entire world is only doing it for the cash, right?

Also there are no up and coming companies that could explode into the market with a cancer cure either

Who's gonna do that shit for like 50k a year or even slightly above average middle class wages? People invest a lot of time and money into becoming doctors with the expectation that they will be compensated accordingly, and they are. No one does the job just out of the goodness of their heart so they have the opportunity to help people. Everyone involved is making hella bank.

There's also a difference in being fresh out of school and ready to take on the world and being jaded and going through the motions when you realize the flaws inherent within the system and that you don't have the capacity to change anything.
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Ultima Dragon posted...

MC_BatCommander posted...

Ultima Dragon posted...

There's just no incentive to cure when you're already bringing in hundreds of billions per year for treatment that might buy you a few more years at most.

Right and every single medical doctor in the entire world is only doing it for the cash, right?

Also there are no up and coming companies that could explode into the market with a cancer cure either

Who's gonna do that shit for like 50k a year or even slightly above average middle class wages? People invest a lot of time and money into becoming doctors with the expectation that they will be compensated accordingly, and they are. No one does the job just out of the goodness of their heart so they have the opportunity to help people. Everyone involved is making hella bank.

There's also a difference in being fresh out of school and ready to take on the world and being jaded and going through the motions when you realize the flaws inherent within the system and that you don't have the capacity to change anything.

Doctors doing medical research make a lot of money. On top of that they have the potential to be recognized in history as the most important medical find since vaccines. Next?
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Wait. Are some of you guys saying you think there's a cure but it's being hidden? Or that the powers that be aren't even allowing a cure to be found?
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Meanwhile, the hyper elite billionaire squad still dies of cancer and stuff.
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Either there are competent enough people who could keep it a secret from numerous scientists who have a tendency to be pretty altruistic

vs.

they don't care to develop one because it won't make them money.

my bets on the second one.

emblem boy posted...

Wait. Are some of you guys saying you think there's a cure but it's being hidden? Or that the powers that be aren't even allowing a cure to be found?

I honestly don't know what they are thinking. It's such a silly thing it honestly borders on flat earth levels of absurd
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There's nothing to next, lol. Either you're of the opinion that money is a powerful tool that shapes our global and political landscape or you're not. Nothing is done at a lower level without being "okay'd" by the higher ups. Everyone has someone that they answer to.

Think of all the billions poured into cancer research over the past several decades and there hasn't been even a hint of any progress on even one of the hundreds of cancers currently identified. Might as well just throw our hands up and say we don't know I guess. Because this shit isn't getting done in my lifetime or yours.
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Ultima Dragon posted...

There's nothing to next, lol. Either you're of the opinion that money is a powerful tool that shapes our global and political landscape or you're not. Nothing is done at a lower level without being "okay'd" by the higher ups. Everyone has someone that they answer to.

Think of all the billions poured into cancer research over the past several decades and there hasn't been even a hint of any progress on even one of the hundreds of cancers currently identified. Might as well just throw our hands up and say we don't know I guess. Because this shit isn't getting done in my lifetime or yours.

Ignoring the fact that a lot of the "treatments" you keep talking about can and do cure some cancers. Hell there are some cancers when caught early enough are barely an inconvenience to folks.

So since we don't have a magical pill that cures it all, suddenly that research is all wasted? That's odd logic tbh
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Not really. There's remission and stopping it from spreading with early diagnosis and treatment but there's no true "cure." If you get diagnosed with cancer young enough that'll be what eventually kills you if nothing else (accident, heart attack, whatever) does.
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Ultima Dragon posted...

Not really. There's remission and stopping it from spreading with early diagnosis and treatment but there's no true "cure." If you get diagnosed with cancer young enough that'll be what eventually kills you if nothing else (accident, heart attack, whatever) does.

So you're saying no cancer survivors die from old age
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Letron_James posted...

Fact is sick patients are more valuable to the health industry than healthy ones.

Pretty much this.

Why I never trusted the medical industry, they're not in it to help people.
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The Catgirl Fondler posted...

Letron_James posted...

Fact is sick patients are more valuable to the health industry than healthy ones.

Pretty much this.

Why I never trusted the medical industry, they're not in it to help people.

It seems to me that there is a large leap from viewing the medical industry as being money focused and greedy, to thinking there are drug cures being hidden...
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emblem boy posted...

The Catgirl Fondler posted...

Letron_James posted...

Fact is sick patients are more valuable to the health industry than healthy ones.

Pretty much this.

Why I never trusted the medical industry, they're not in it to help people.

It seems to me that there is a large leap from viewing the medical industry as being money focused and greedy, to thinking there are drug cures being hidden...

That same medical industry that has cured who knows how many diseases
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Rich people are always shady but I'm pretty certain most of them know that dead people can't spend money.
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The Catgirl Fondler posted...

Letron_James posted...

Fact is sick patients are more valuable to the health industry than healthy ones.

Pretty much this.

Why I never trusted the medical industry, they're not in it to help people.

Ultima Dragon posted...

There's nothing to next, lol. Either you're of the opinion that money is a powerful tool that shapes our global and political landscape or you're not. Nothing is done at a lower level without being "okay'd" by the higher ups. Everyone has someone that they answer to.

Think of all the billions poured into cancer research over the past several decades and there hasn't been even a hint of any progress on even one of the hundreds of cancers currently identified. Might as well just throw our hands up and say we don't know I guess. Because this shit isn't getting done in my lifetime or yours.

What would it take for your opinion to change? Would you need to see drastic improvements in curing these diseases? Or would you think the rich just decided it was time to start making money a new way?
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People are getting cancer all the time and people are being overcharged for treatments. Hiding the cure for cancer would not be a "money saving move".
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emblem boy posted...

The Catgirl Fondler posted...

Letron_James posted...

Fact is sick patients are more valuable to the health industry than healthy ones.

Pretty much this.

Why I never trusted the medical industry, they're not in it to help people.

Ultima Dragon posted...

There's nothing to next, lol. Either you're of the opinion that money is a powerful tool that shapes our global and political landscape or you're not. Nothing is done at a lower level without being "okay'd" by the higher ups. Everyone has someone that they answer to.

Think of all the billions poured into cancer research over the past several decades and there hasn't been even a hint of any progress on even one of the hundreds of cancers currently identified. Might as well just throw our hands up and say we don't know I guess. Because this shit isn't getting done in my lifetime or yours.

What would it take for your opinion to change? Would you need to see drastic improvements in curing these diseases? Or would you think the rich just decided it was time to start making money a new way?

Nothing can be changed, that's just the world we're stuck with.
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Not what I'm asking. I'm asking what would it take for you to see your opinion as incorrect? Do you think there's a chance you're incorrect?
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