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SmartMuffin
10/19/19 5:35:53 PM
#51:


DeepsPraw posted...
Again, just play the demo to see if the game's style and humor jives with you

If you've got time to post on board 8, you've got time to play for an hour


and yeah, it's also a short enough game so even if you fully play through it once it's not like you've sacrificed much

I mean, I'm criticizing it pretty hard here, but it's not so bad that I like, regret having played it... it was worth the time that it demanded from me
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trdl23
10/19/19 5:48:12 PM
#52:


DeepsPraw posted...
Again, just play the demo to see if the game's style and humor jives with you

If you've got time to post on board 8, you've got time to play for an hour

this tbh. You will figure out pretty damn quick if its your thing.
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Lucavi000
10/19/19 5:49:54 PM
#53:


Asking how Undertale can be played pretty much ruins the game so there is no point in you playing it now.

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LadyVyxx
10/19/19 6:27:14 PM
#54:


ninkendo posted...
it's a bad game


That was my overall opinion as well after I played it.
I understand why people find it unique but I'm always astonished it has anything more than a small following.

The Shmup elements are also way too easy if you actually play shmups.
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DBZFlGHTEH
10/19/19 6:32:16 PM
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LeonhartFour
10/19/19 6:36:23 PM
#56:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
Well that sucks. Wouldn't it be more effective from a narrative POV to start the game by defeating enemies the "traditional" way and then learning, through the consequences of killing, that this is the wrong tack and then righting the course from there?


I mean another RPG already did that

well sorta
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ZeldaTPLink
10/19/19 6:42:56 PM
#57:


Very strong morality system with different story paths. It plays with the player's emotions and makes you feel the consequences of your choices.

Gameplay isn't very strong or deep in terms of RPG, but is fully integrated with said morality system and is good because of that.

Very likable characters that makes you want to befriend them.

Interesting and creative plot.

Lots of references and parodies to RPG customs.

Amazing soundtrack.
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ZeldaTPLink
10/19/19 6:45:22 PM
#58:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
pyresword posted...
Ok I don't especially care whether or not you play Undertale and don't think you would like it anyways, but I feel obligated to point out that absolutely nothing in that SMuffin post is true. Like, whatever he's talking about is not something that is in the game or something that's implied by the game at all.
This is why I've been confused about this game for YEARS now. No one has properly explained why Tumblr loves it and why other people consider it to be SJW trash. Unless it really is just a neutral apolitical game that various factions just decided to view through their own weird lens?


The protagonist isn't gender-specific (though they are not said to be gender-neutral, the game just doesn't specify it), and there are some obviously gay characters in it.

That's it.

Some people love it because it has gays in it, some people hate it because of that, the majority just sees it as a good game that happens to have gays in it.

Imo, seeing gays as a mudane everyday thing is societal progress, and Undertale is in line with that.
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ZeldaTPLink
10/19/19 6:49:21 PM
#59:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
CoolCly posted...
I dunno just play the game
No. I want someone to just articulate to me how it's played and why it's good. The fact that no one can do so is very frustrating.


It's an RPG. You progress through maps and puzzles, enter random encounters and then kill things. The battle system involves bullet hell mini-games, basically.

But in every battle, there is a way to spare your enemy. The game doesn't force you to do it, but it doesn't tell you how to, and it's different for each enemy. Sometimes it's very hard to figure out and takes multiple tries.

But whether you choose to kill or spare the enemies of the game has a huge influence into the plot, to the point there are ~20 endings to this game, depending on your level of mercy.
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ZeldaTPLink
10/19/19 6:53:52 PM
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Nelson_Mandela posted...
DeepsPraw posted...
lets you be unimaginably cruel.
Can you give me an example of this that doesn't totally spoil the game?


Just like sparing everything can be hard, killing everything is equally hard. You have to go out of your way to do it, and sometimes the game will give you very easy paths to spare things that you have to be an asshole not to take. Killing certain things will make you feel very, very bad.

If you play it blind, you'll most likely finish somewhere in the middle of the morality scale. But the game encourages you to play at least twice, to see the pacifist ending.
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Giggsalot
10/19/19 6:55:39 PM
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Opinion of a dude who barely plays games but played it recently: I liked it a lot! The main appeal for me was the humour, it's funny and quirky and charming in a way that I can only really compare to Earthbound within JRPGs.

The overall concept and story is endearingly unusual too, and while the gameplay isn't something that specifically drew me in, it's also utilized in some really neat and creative ways (that are as you've observed kinda hard to describe in an enticing manner without being spoilery).

Music rules too, best modern chiptune soundtrack i can think of this side of VVVVVV.

So yeah, just give it a shot! Even accounting for two playthroughs it's maybe a ten hour game, and you'll know if the setting/humour works for you in not that much more time than it takes to read this topic.

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ZeldaTPLink
10/19/19 6:56:30 PM
#62:


Evillordexdeath posted...
Yeah the game trying to call you out for your moral failings in a video game is kind of dumb, especially so because it encourages you to be evil by locking some of the best content to the path where you're as monstrous as possible.


In terms of story-telling that was extremely clever, though. The game breaks the fourth wall by telling you that you don't have to see everything, and makes you question why you are doing it.

I want to read stories that make me feel new things and thinks of ideas I hadn't thought before, and Undertale does that.
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ZeldaTPLink
10/19/19 6:59:31 PM
#63:


Evillordexdeath posted...
Yeah. It's mostly done through total restarts though, because the game only gives you one save at a time.

Some people play through all the little variations, which would mean playing the whole game like 20 times, but I personally found that unsatisfying because the amount of dialog that changes is kind of minimal unfortunately.


There is a video that shows all small variations, and a chart that explains what choices lead to them.

You could play the main variations then see those for curiosity's sake.
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colliding
10/19/19 7:28:02 PM
#64:


I did true pacifist on my first playthrough, no guide required

your "tutorial character" basically tells you that you don't have to kill anyone, and one of the main menu options is MERCY, so it's not a surprise at all

figuring out how to spare enemies is also very easy, because you can simply "check" an enemy (which is like scan from FF I guess) and the game will give you a pretty obvious hint about how to spare that enemy (through a different option under the "ACT" menu).

don't let anyone like smartmuffin try to convince you that the game "moralizes" if you don't do it right the first time, because it's pretty obvious

edit; I originally said "spare" instead of "mercy" above
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ZeldaTPLink
10/19/19 7:32:08 PM
#65:


I feel like a lot of the people who hate this game on the grounds of the SJW thing have a bone to pick with it politically-wise and hate the game just because the SJWs like it.

If you are not one of those people and just treat it like a damn game, you'll be fine. There are ways to be actually preachy, and Undertale really isn't it.
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Leafeon13N
10/19/19 7:34:43 PM
#66:


I feel like pacifist is openly pushed from the beginning. At least, it always felt like solving the spare puzzle was a more interesting task than trying to kill anything.
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TheRock1525
10/19/19 7:56:31 PM
#67:


ZeldaTPLink posted...
I feel like a lot of the people who hate this game on the grounds of the SJW thing have a bone to pick with it politically-wise and hate the game just because the SJWs like it.


This game has lots of bones.
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GildedFool
10/19/19 9:42:10 PM
#68:


I definitely think anyone who did a full pacifist run as their first run either went in with prior knowledge or is in a heavy HEAVY minority.

It's just way more likely you do a neutral run.
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Nelson_Mandela
10/19/19 9:58:08 PM
#69:


So do the characters/scenarios acknowledge that you're doing a second run? I didn't quite understand the "save points are time travel" comment.

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MZero11
10/19/19 9:58:59 PM
#70:


Undertale sucks

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GildedFool
10/19/19 10:00:32 PM
#71:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
So do the characters/scenarios acknowledge that you're doing a second run? I didn't quite understand the "save points are time travel" comment.

The game acknowledges it at points. Not all characters seem to be aware.
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Nelson_Mandela
10/19/19 10:01:21 PM
#72:


GildedFool posted...
The game acknowledges it at points. Not all characters seem to be aware.
Cool. So it tracks how many endings you get, I assume.

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Xiahou Shake
10/19/19 10:04:12 PM
#73:


GildedFool posted...
I definitely think anyone who did a full pacifist run as their first run either went in with prior knowledge or is in a heavy HEAVY minority.

It's just way more likely you do a neutral run.

You really think so? I did a blind pacifist run and it felt super natural. Like, the tutorial tells you not to kill so it would seem pretty normal to think that's probably how you get the "best" ending.
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ExThaNemesis
10/19/19 10:06:06 PM
#74:


my sig is all you need to know
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ZeldaTPLink
10/19/19 10:10:15 PM
#75:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
GildedFool posted...
The game acknowledges it at points. Not all characters seem to be aware.
Cool. So it tracks how many endings you get, I assume.


Yeah it has the normal save file, and a "hidden" one that remembers every playthrough you ever had. You have to either mess with the game files or uninstall the game to delete it.
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Nelson_Mandela
10/19/19 10:12:27 PM
#76:


ExThaNemesis posted...
my sig is all you need to know
I don't understand it

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red13n
10/19/19 10:19:20 PM
#77:


GildedFool posted...
I definitely think anyone who did a full pacifist run as their first run either went in with prior knowledge or is in a heavy HEAVY minority.

It's just way more likely you do a neutral run.


no way. Its too common a gaming trope. You are rewarded for being eternally good or eternally bad but trying to be the middle of the road guy is never rewarded appropriately.
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HeroDelTiempo17
10/19/19 10:19:23 PM
#78:


Xiahou Shake posted...
You really think so? I did a blind pacifist run and it felt super natural. Like, the tutorial tells you not to kill so it would seem pretty normal to think that's probably how you get the "best" ending.


The Toriel bossfight is intentionally misleading and unintuitive to spare her unless you know what you're doing or are very good at figuring out the hints. It's also uniquely rigged so that if you think the solution is to lower her HP (which is a reasonable guess), you will suddenly crit and instantly kill her. I think most people end up killing her on accident this way and just don't bother to restart.

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Lightning Strikes
10/19/19 10:25:56 PM
#79:


SmartMuffin posted...
because the main character is a little girl who is nominally gay

thats literally the only reason


Wow, not a single part of this is true.
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ExThaNemesis
10/19/19 10:32:03 PM
#80:


Nelson_Mandela posted...
ExThaNemesis posted...
my sig is all you need to know
I don't understand it


Mido is the dork from Ocarina of Time blocking you from getting to the Deku Tree in the beginning.
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MZero11
10/19/19 10:39:59 PM
#81:


ExThaNemesis posted...
Mido is the dork from Ocarina of Time blocking you from getting to the Deku Tree in the beginning.


Wow this whole time I thought your sig was talking about that far-right guy but apparently his name is Milo

I was also confused why Undertale was hanging out with that guy

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ExThaNemesis
10/19/19 11:15:17 PM
#82:


MZero11 posted...
ExThaNemesis posted...
Mido is the dork from Ocarina of Time blocking you from getting to the Deku Tree in the beginning.


Wow this whole time I thought your sig was talking about that far-right guy but apparently his name is Milo

I was also confused why Undertale was hanging out with that guy


Yeah I think HM said it during or before the Undertale/OoT match and I refuse to take it outta my sig.
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Aecioo
10/20/19 12:20:46 AM
#83:


Undertale is a charming game with a really unique bullet hell mechanic that was a lot of fun for me to play. The meta stuff is not super mindblowing but did surprise me every once in awhile. It was fun enough to play through multiple times, and a lot of stuff definitely changes.

But really it's the super fucking awesome music that does it for me.

expert aecioo review

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TheRock1525
10/20/19 12:21:51 AM
#84:


Don't forget you can change files and values in the folders for the game and find all sorts of weird shit hinting at deeper and weirder stuff about the game.
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ExThaNemesis
10/20/19 12:25:25 AM
#85:


Megalovania and Hopes and Dreams are the only two things remotely good about the game
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TheRock1525
10/20/19 12:27:10 AM
#86:


dont you insult sans undertale like that

iNQCQW3

he is the best part of wind waker
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ExThaNemesis
10/20/19 12:31:05 AM
#87:


there is nothing good about undertale aside from megalovania and hopes and dreams

SephyG, the biggest thing you should know about Undertale is that its fans are insufferable and while you have your moments, I really don't want to have to lump you in with them.
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TheRock1525
10/20/19 12:35:23 AM
#88:


but you did send ulti a fruit basket and he loves undertale
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ExThaNemesis
10/20/19 12:38:28 AM
#89:


you may suffer ulti sometimes but I sure as hell don't!
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Nelson_Mandela
10/20/19 12:39:48 AM
#90:


ExThaNemesis posted...
SephyG, the biggest thing you should know about Undertale is that its fans are insufferable and while you have your moments, I really don't want to have to lump you in with them.
I don't think I would ever stan a game like this though. The only one in the past decade that got me going really hard was the Mass Effect trilogy.

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paperwarior
10/20/19 12:46:15 AM
#91:


You generally do need the sword and shield to get through the Deku Tree, though. Mido may have a bad attitude, but he has your best interests in mind.
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trdl23
10/20/19 1:08:26 AM
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Oh shit, I forgot about Ulti's review. Yeah, just read that.
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DeepsPraw
10/20/19 8:39:21 AM
#95:


Hey extha, weren't you going to burn all your Nintendo merchandise if Sans got in Smash?

How's that coming along?

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Tom Bombadil
10/20/19 9:12:14 AM
#96:


I don't think you CAN do true pacifist the first run, can you? I sure didn't kill anything

I didn't find it all that hard to figure out the sparing mechanics most of the time. Some of it is kinda trial and error, there's one fight that's easy to screw yourself out of, but a lot of it is kinda obvious.

Most of the stuff (like the game "pushing" pacifism) is better than execution that it sounds on paper.

It does interesting fourth wall stuff.

I liked the bullet hell part of the fights.

Music is fantastic, and in general I think it did a really good job of setting the moods and ambience it wanted to set.

Main character's gender is intentionally left ambiguous, you can go on silly "dates" with a few different folks, lesbians exist, compassion is pushed as a virtue, and tumblr likes it, and that's the sum total of why it's seen as an "SJW game."

You do need to play it about three times to get the full experience, but it's pretty short and those three playthroughs will be very different.

All that being said you really don't strike me as the type who'd enjoy it. It's also a game that the more you know going in the less cool it'll be, so that's probably why it's hard to sell you.

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ZeldaTPLink
10/20/19 1:02:32 PM
#97:


Tom Bombadil posted...
I don't think you CAN do true pacifist the first run, can you? I sure didn't kill anything


If you finish the normal run without killing anything, you'll still get normal ending, but then the game will let you reset to right beforee moment the pacifist run begins (the secret lab section), assuming you befriended everyone.
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MysticBrohan
10/20/19 1:09:13 PM
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undertale isnt fun
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