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creativerealms
10/19/19 3:52:28 PM
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As far as the Democratic party goes there are not two people whoae opinion matters less to me.
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cjsdowg
10/19/19 3:52:59 PM
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uAdviceMan posted...
It must suck to be linked with no proof to people who speak highly of and you have relationships with no clear cut evidence of foul play.

Oh wait, that's what happened to Hillary her whole political career. And NOW people on CE want to pretend that we need clear cut evidence to link people to unsavory characters. Please. People love speculating and they hate it when their guy/gal gets speculated about, this has happened in politics forever, and now suddenly the green party and Tulsi Gabbard are clutching their collective pearls.


I voted for Hillary, I even voted for her over Obama in the Primary. But you just can't be setting on the sidelines then come out and throw shit on people with nothing to back up , then complain when people hit back.
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creativerealms
10/19/19 4:10:44 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
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Boomers should be banned from posting on gfaqs

I dont know why anyone bothers responding to him, just let him scream at clouds if this is the most productive use of his time

Why would they do that? They control companies. That's where the real power is.
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Fuparulez
10/19/19 4:17:42 PM
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Webmaster4531 posted...
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Beto O'Rourke didn't push for disarming the public.

He didn't.

Fuparulez posted...
Kamala Harris didn't suggest censoring Trump from Twitter?

She's trying to save a senile old man from embarrassment.

Fuparulez posted...
Bernie Sanders didn't endorse abolishing private health insurance?

His plan bans duplicative coverage. I don't agree with it.

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Warren didn't support raising taxes on the middle class?

.01% is middle class and small business to people like you.


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You admit Kamala wants censorship of people she doesn't like, you didn't address Rashid Tlaib and her goal to put Trump administration members in prison, and if you think you can fund a four trillion dollar socialist healthcare scheme by taxing ".01%" of the population you're fooling yourself. Countries like Sweden have a sales tax of 25% and middle class earners pay a 65% income tax, free stuff is very expensive. You lefties who think you're going to get a freebie are fooling yourselves, and those of us on the right with a grasp on reality don't want to be dragged into the socialist hell Venezuela went into. They went from gun confiscation to the military murdering people in the streets in four years, is that what you want?
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AdviceMan
10/19/19 4:31:00 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
AdviceMan posted...
It must suck to be linked with no proof to people who speak highly of and you have relationships with no clear cut evidence of foul play.

Oh wait, that's what happened to Hillary her whole political career. And NOW people on CE want to pretend that we need clear cut evidence to link people to unsavory characters. Please. People love speculating and they hate it when their guy/gal gets speculated about, this has happened in politics forever, and now suddenly the green party and Tulsi Gabbard are clutching their collective pearls.

This mostly sounds like an argument for why Hillary shouldnt be doing this.


She shouldn't. That's certainly true. People shouldn't be acting like this in uniquely bad though.
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Webmaster4531
10/19/19 4:32:55 PM
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Fuparulez posted...
admit Kamala wants censorship of people she doesn't like

What? I did no such thing.
Fuparulez posted...
you didn't address Rashid Tlaib and her goal to put Trump administration members in prison,

Antifar did. The administration shouldn't do crimes if they can't do the time.
Fuparulez posted...
Countries like Sweden

They have a flat tax so all income brackets pay that.
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Broseph_Stalin
10/19/19 4:59:32 PM
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Gabbard's campaign website has a section under "issues" dedicated to questioning whether Assad was behind chemical attacks in the Syrian civil war. Because that's a normal thing to have. Obviously defending Assad is a top issue among voters in the US.

She calls people in her own party warmongers because we sent a small force to fight ISIS in Syria and aid the Kurds. But she praised Putin for entering the conflict and bombing civilians to prop up Assad.

She goes on Tucker Carlson to parrot James O'Keefe propaganda videos.

She claims the entire primary is rigged because she isn't polling well.

Russian state-run propaganda outlets and the web brigades openly support her.

But hey let's ignore all these red flags so we can complain about "the establishment" boogeyman for... calling Tulsi out on all this.
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cjsdowg
10/19/19 5:07:20 PM
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1. The only boogeyman is the people calling everyone Russian bots. People are not calling ?Yang supporters Russian bots. It is the group of African Americans they call themselves ADOS and they are pushing for issues to help AA community they get called Russian bots. The woman who is friend with Oprah supports got called bots.

2. Hitler supporter clean water, does that mean we should be anti clean water .

3. I think her point was deeper then it is rigged because I am not doing well.

4. And it s shame that she has to go t racist like to Carlson because the other media is too much in the bag for Hillary.

5. Hillary is warmonger.. that is 100% .

6. If we really questioned if Iraq had WMDs then yeah we might not have gone to a war that has cost so much.
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hockeybub89
10/19/19 5:09:27 PM
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I can't believe Hillary is going to lose to Trump again in 2020.
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Broseph_Stalin
10/19/19 5:17:49 PM
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cjsdowg posted...
. I think her point was deeper then it is rigged because I am not doing well.

It very much wasn't.

But hey keep drinking the kool-aid and ignoring those red flags. Thankfully smarter people see what's going on.
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CruelBuffalo
10/19/19 5:21:13 PM
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
cjsdowg posted...
. I think her point was deeper then it is rigged because I am not doing well.

It very much wasn't.

But hey keep drinking the kool-aid and ignoring those red flags. Thankfully smarter people see what's going on.


I have repeated asked since Tulsi posted that temper tantrum pretending to boycott the debate asking the Tulsicels

1. Who is the DNC trying to rig the election for in 2020
2. How specifically are they doing it

And they have 0 answers
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UnholyMudcrab
10/19/19 5:23:36 PM
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cjsdowg posted...
1. The only boogeyman is the people calling everyone Russian bots. People are not calling ?Yang supporters Russian bots. It is the group of African Americans they call themselves ADOS and they are pushing for issues to help AA community they get called Russian bots. The woman who is friend with Oprah supports got called bots.

2. Hitler supporter clean water, does that mean we should be anti clean water .

3. I think her point was deeper then it is rigged because I am not doing well.

4. And it s shame that she has to go t racist like to Carlson because the other media is too much in the bag for Hillary.

5. Hillary is warmonger.. that is 100% .

6. If we really questioned if Iraq had WMDs then yeah we might not have gone to a war that has cost so much.

Does it make you mad that there are other people making these exact same points, except they're getting paid for it and you're not?
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cjsdowg
10/19/19 5:47:59 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

Does it make you mad that there are other people making these exact same points, except they're getting paid for it and you're not?


I don't get mad over little things, and since these are great point.. I could not be bad at the people who made them anyway.
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Broseph_Stalin
10/19/19 5:54:20 PM
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cjsdowg posted...
and since these are great point.

cjsdowg posted...
2. Hitler supporter clean water, does that mean we should be anti clean water .
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AdviceMan
10/19/19 5:55:19 PM
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Also, none of her individual points of Gabbard were untrue, despite the sensationalist interpretation you obviously can take from them (which is why it's irresponsible). Tulsi Gabbard is a favorite for people who want an isolationist non-intervening America both for good reasons and for bad reasons. So people, such as the Russians, who want less American influence in certain regions would be happy with a Gabbard presidency, or at the very least would want her in the race for as long as possible.
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ultimate reaver
10/19/19 5:58:08 PM
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I admit Tulsi's following comes off way more like Generic Trump Reply Guys than any other D candidate but I don't think she's a rusian plant or they're russian bots or anything. She's probably payed some kind of advertising agency who is imitating trump tactics on social media.

Either way it's funny to see someone as boring as tulsi have this incredibly plastic feeling following alongside a bunch of people who want to lick her soles

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cjsdowg
10/19/19 6:00:59 PM
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
cjsdowg posted...
and since these are great point.

cjsdowg posted...
2. Hitler supporter clean water, does that mean we should be anti clean water .


Why is that bad point. People are suggesting since Russia is reporting on her favorable that must mean something horrible about her . That is a logical fallacy. Just because someone bad likes something doesn't mean that thing that is liked is bad.
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cjsdowg
10/19/19 6:13:51 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...

Have you made any attempt to figure out why so many shitty people like her?


I know many of the same people who dislike her. Also dislike Sanders and Yang. And while I am not the biggest fan of Yang. Him and Sanders supporters get called Russian bots and troll online all the time. So this seems like the same old same old.

Don't know why I bolded stuff.
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cjsdowg
10/19/19 6:48:07 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...

I dont know why you thought that was an answer


Guess you missed the point, many of same people complaining about her are the same people who complain about anyone who color any bit outside the lines.
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HydraSlayer82
10/19/19 7:07:51 PM
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Im so fucking sick of hearing about Hillary Clinton. She needs to go away. Actually, all these 60+ year old shits need to go away.
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cjsdowg
10/21/19 3:31:11 AM
#77:


HydraSlayer82 posted...
Im so fucking sick of hearing about Hillary Clinton. She needs to go away. Actually, all these 60+ year old shits need to go away.


It is the new brand of McCarthyism and my party is shamefully leading the way. If there was good 3rd party I would love the dems for this shit .
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AdviceMan
10/21/19 10:44:29 AM
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The difference between McCarthyism and now is that we have proof that bad faith actors are trying to influence our elections. Even if you think Hilary's accusation is completely without evidence (it isn't), if you have any modicum of self-awareness, you would realize bad faith actors are propping up Tulsi Gabbard.

It's entirely possible, I'd argue even likely that Gabbard is aware of this, but it benefits her, so she keeps it going. If those bad faith actors stopped supporting her, she'd be a 0% candidate and she knows it. The reason why I don't like the term Russian asset, even though it may be technically true, is because it's pretty obvious that people don't know what asset means.
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ThyCorndog
10/21/19 11:00:46 AM
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are we gonna start saying Saudi Arabian asset and Israeli asset as well for some candidates?
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AdviceMan
10/21/19 11:26:26 AM
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ThyCorndog posted...
are we gonna start saying Saudi Arabian asset and Israeli asset as well for some candidates?


I mean, we don't use those exact words, but we definitely do insinuate motivations of being linked/influenced to or by foreign governments for other candidates.

You're acting as though this doesn't happen, when you're really annoyed by the use of asset specifically.
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tennisdude818
10/21/19 11:30:39 AM
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ThyCorndog posted...
are we gonna start saying Saudi Arabian asset and Israeli asset as well for some candidates?


It would be nice if AIPAC was forced to register as a foreign agent. Its certainly more of a factor than a few cheap Facebook ads.
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ThyCorndog
10/21/19 11:58:47 AM
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AdviceMan posted...
when you're really annoyed by the use of asset specifically.

yeah i'm SUPER reAllY annoyed bro

you nerds like to tell other people what they feel for some reason
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ThyCorndog
10/21/19 11:59:09 AM
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tennisdude818 posted...
ThyCorndog posted...
are we gonna start saying Saudi Arabian asset and Israeli asset as well for some candidates?


It would be nice if AIPAC was forced to register as a foreign agent. Its certainly more of a factor than a few cheap Facebook ads.

all international based lobbies should, yes
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AdviceMan
10/21/19 12:18:24 PM
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ThyCorndog posted...
AdviceMan posted...
when you're really annoyed by the use of asset specifically.

yeah i'm SUPER reAllY annoyed bro

you nerds like to tell other people what they feel for some reason


If you keep complaining about a certain term, even drawing parallels to accusations of foreign influence that actually happen, and you're not dumb, so I'm sure you're aware that they happen, I'm going to assume that it's the term that annoys you. If you don't like my inferences, feel free to elaborate on what specifically bothers you about this accusation.
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ThyCorndog
10/21/19 12:21:35 PM
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AdviceMan posted...
ThyCorndog posted...
AdviceMan posted...
when you're really annoyed by the use of asset specifically.

yeah i'm SUPER reAllY annoyed bro

you nerds like to tell other people what they feel for some reason


If you keep complaining about a certain term, even drawing parallels to accusations of foreign influence that actually happen, and you're not dumb, so I'm sure you're aware that they happen, I'm going to assume that it's the term that annoys you. If you don't like my inferences, feel free to elaborate on what specifically bothers you about this accusation.

"keep" commenting? are you confusing me for someone else? fuck off and talk to someone else
that was my 2nd post you responded to. and you're calling me the annoyed one lmao
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AdviceMan
10/21/19 12:28:24 PM
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ThyCorndog posted...
I can't take anyone that calls her a russian asset seriously


ThyCorndog posted...
are we gonna start saying Saudi Arabian asset and Israeli asset as well for some candidates?


You made two posts, and they were both about the term asset. I inferred that the term annoyed you because you all but said so in your first post. I responded to you again because you responded to my first response, and as long as you continue responding to me (and I don't get bored) I will continue responding to you.

I'm not going to insult you because I have literally nothing against you, I was and am simply trying to talk to you >_>. I apologize if I bothered you.
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ThyCorndog
10/21/19 12:30:08 PM
#87:


AdviceMan posted...
ThyCorndog posted...
I can't take anyone that calls her a russian asset seriously


ThyCorndog posted...
are we gonna start saying Saudi Arabian asset and Israeli asset as well for some candidates?


You made two posts, and they were both about the term asset. I inferred that the term annoyed you because you all but said so in your first post. I responded to you again because you responded to my first response, and as long as you continue responding to me (and I don't get bored) I will continue responding to you.

I'm not going to insult you because I have literally nothing against you, I was and am simply trying to talk to you >_>. I apologize if I bothered you.

ok, forget it. I wasn't annoyed until you started telling me I'm annoyed so I was giving you what you wanted. it's all good
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tennisdude818
10/21/19 12:34:17 PM
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ThyCorndog posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
ThyCorndog posted...
are we gonna start saying Saudi Arabian asset and Israeli asset as well for some candidates?


It would be nice if AIPAC was forced to register as a foreign agent. Its certainly more of a factor than a few cheap Facebook ads.

all international based lobbies should, yes


I agree. It seems hard to reverse course once the cash starts moving. If the corporate media had real journalists then there would be more public outrage over that kind of thing.
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AdviceMan
10/21/19 12:50:19 PM
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ThyCorndog posted...
AdviceMan posted...
ThyCorndog posted...
I can't take anyone that calls her a russian asset seriously


ThyCorndog posted...
are we gonna start saying Saudi Arabian asset and Israeli asset as well for some candidates?


You made two posts, and they were both about the term asset. I inferred that the term annoyed you because you all but said so in your first post. I responded to you again because you responded to my first response, and as long as you continue responding to me (and I don't get bored) I will continue responding to you.

I'm not going to insult you because I have literally nothing against you, I was and am simply trying to talk to you >_>. I apologize if I bothered you.

ok, forget it. I wasn't annoyed until you started telling me I'm annoyed so I was giving you what you wanted. it's all good

Cool.
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cjsdowg
10/21/19 2:53:40 PM
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AdviceMan posted...
The difference between McCarthyism and now is that we have proof that bad faith actors are trying to influence our elections. Even if you think Hilary's accusation is completely without evidence (it isn't), if you have any modicum of self-awareness, you would realize bad faith actors are propping up Tulsi Gabbard.

It's entirely possible, I'd argue even likely that Gabbard is aware of this, but it benefits her, so she keeps it going. If those bad faith actors stopped supporting her, she'd be a 0% candidate and she knows it. The reason why I don't like the term Russian asset, even though it may be technically true, is because it's pretty obvious that people don't know what asset means.


If Hillary had evidence of this she was how presented it in place of this high school like .. I no SOMEONE is doing SOMETHING wrong. She would have professionally laid all her cards on the table
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AdviceMan
10/21/19 3:15:09 PM
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cjsdowg posted...
AdviceMan posted...
The difference between McCarthyism and now is that we have proof that bad faith actors are trying to influence our elections. Even if you think Hilary's accusation is completely without evidence (it isn't), if you have any modicum of self-awareness, you would realize bad faith actors are propping up Tulsi Gabbard.

It's entirely possible, I'd argue even likely that Gabbard is aware of this, but it benefits her, so she keeps it going. If those bad faith actors stopped supporting her, she'd be a 0% candidate and she knows it. The reason why I don't like the term Russian asset, even though it may be technically true, is because it's pretty obvious that people don't know what asset means.


If Hillary had evidence of this she was how presented it in place of this high school like .. I no SOMEONE is doing SOMETHING wrong. She would have professionally laid all her cards on the table


Sure, and I agree it was irresponsible. It wasn't a fake smear though, and that's why the people she attacked like Jill Stein and Tulsi didn't reply with the same words she was accused of. Because the easiest way to shift a conversation if you are accused of something accurate is to say something that is also accurate, but not an answer to initial accusation.

For example, if you called me a middle of the road liberal who is okay with the status quo, and I said something like "I'm not unreasonable and have progressive views", I'm not denying what you said, but it sounds like I'm denying what you're saying and the thing I'm saying is accurate. Then I would turn it on you and saying you attacking fellow democrats is what is wrong with America.

The thing that makes me chuckle to some degree though is the fact that all these people have been sneak dissing/outwardly dissing Hillary RODHAM Clinton for the better part of four years. Hillary is CLEARLY bitter about it and that's not a good thing, but still, I can understand it, even if I find it wholly inappropriate.
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EndOfDiscOne
10/21/19 3:17:11 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
Gabbard has been endorsed by David Duke. That's really all you need to know

And Joe Rogan
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pogo_rabid
10/21/19 3:18:14 PM
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This Tulsi business reminds of of modern day McCarthyism
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DeadBankerDream
10/21/19 3:19:19 PM
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pogo_rabid posted...
This Tulsi business reminds of of modern day McCarthyism

That says more about your own ability to think than anything else.
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pogo_rabid
10/21/19 3:24:35 PM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
pogo_rabid posted...
This Tulsi business reminds of of modern day McCarthyism

That says more about your own ability to think than anything else.

Nice Ad Hominem, broski
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DeadBankerDream
10/21/19 3:29:09 PM
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How is someone who has put themselves out there in the race for the highest office in the nation (and generally also the world) being criticized, or attacked, the same as the government going through a concentrated effort to eliminate people with the wrong political conviction from the entertainment industry, public office, etc.?
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pogo_rabid
10/21/19 3:30:29 PM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
How is someone who has put themselves out there in the race for the highest office in the nation (and generally also the world) being criticized, or attacked, the same as the government going through a concentrated effort to eliminate people with the wrong political conviction from the entertainment industry, public office, etc.?

You attacked me and not my statement. That's ad hominem.
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cjsdowg
10/21/19 3:30:55 PM
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AdviceMan posted...

Sure, and I agree it was irresponsible. It wasn't a fake smear though, and that's why the people she attacked like Jill Stein and Tulsi didn't reply with the same words she was accused of. Because the easiest way to shift a conversation if you are accused of something accurate is to say something that is also accurate, but not an answer to initial accusation.


She implied that Tulsi was being groomed by Russian and would Run 3rd party. There is not evidence at all that she was planning to run 3rd party . Hell if anything this treatment she has gotten would push here there .

And it is sick. I have been accused for the being Russian agent by a well known writer on tweet for saying that I could literally point to Hillary having just as many ties to Russian than Tulsi, and you shouldn't call everyone a Russian agent .

Dude/Dudette, I dems have an issue with blaming everything on Russia .

I support Sanders. I was called a Russian plant for that. I spoke speaking with a group of African Americans ( who are far from Republicans ) but upset that the Dems are over looking our vote .People on the Mainstream called them MEGA supporter and or Russian bots .If you veer off the company line at all there are a ton of people calling you bot ,a bro, or a Asset and it is not good .
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cjsdowg
10/21/19 3:32:42 PM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
How is someone who has put themselves out there in the race for the highest office in the nation (and generally also the world) being criticized, or attacked, the same as the government going through a concentrated effort to eliminate people with the wrong political conviction from the entertainment industry, public office, etc.?


You know her supporters are getting called that too.

People even started to attacked Mayor Pete, Beto and Yang for not condemning her hard enough.
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DeadBankerDream
10/21/19 3:33:45 PM
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pogo_rabid posted...
You attacked me and not my statement. That's ad hominem.

Oh I didn't realize you had no point other than to state a sort of maybe alright let's call it a fact.

Fair enough.
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