Poll of the Day > I don't know why people hated The Last Jedi so much

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My son loved it. He said it had the most action of the entire series
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I dont understand why frozenbananas has so much action.

My last Jedi said it has a lot of son in it.

It wasn't as bad as people say it is. But whenever a Star Wars movie comes out, "fans" will hate on it if it's not the original trilogy.
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It was boring as shit, would rather rewatch any of the prequel trilogy over it.
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It was pretty garbage. It's a situation where it can entertain someone if they're just mindlessly wanting to watch a flick, but any sort of rational thought will lead one to see how crap it actually is. It just takes a big ol' dump on 40 years of character development in order to entertain the LCD of society with the bare minimum.

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FrozenBananas posted...

My son loved it. He said it had the most action of the entire series

If my son said that, I'd beat him until he learned his lesson.
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FrozenBananas posted...

My son loved it.

Has he seen like ten movies total?

Honestly though as with all things your taste refines itself as you try more and more similar products. You notice certain qualities that other ones lack. This applies to all aspects of` Movies, video games, other entertainment, art, food, etc.

Its like your son is trying a burger at mcdonalds and thinks its great, little does he know theres hundred different burgers out there that are way better.

I dont like the new star wars movie because:
A) I have seen A tier SWs movies (original trilogy), B-C tier Starwars movies (Prequels) and now the new ones fall in the D-F tier.
B) Theres much better Science-Fiction movies out there
C) I dont even like movies that much and find them a waste of time if they dont fall into A-B tier.
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Personally I've always counted the Star Wars movies as just eye candy.

I've never took the plot and acting too serious.
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PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

I've never took the plot and acting too serious.

It's super serious when people are getting called nerf herders....
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Is he a drag queen?
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I didn't like it either.
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Half the movie felt like bad improv
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There is a kid I once knew who loved episode 1 more than any other because it was bright, colorful, and funny (in his eyes) and hated 5 the most because 'the ending was stupid and bad and it was boring'. He saw all six (at the time) movies on a relatively frequent basis. Time passed. Now-a-days he hates 1 the most because he feels it's silly, annoying, and Jar-Jar while loving 5 the most. His views did a complete 180 as he grew older and learned what makes for good movies and bad movies.

Saying your son likes it is as meaningless as saying the Legend of Korra video game is better than Breath of the Wild because your daughter likes a female main character. It's meaningless, empty, and hiding behind children.

TLJ is a movie so bad I had to watch it in chunks. Several times I just had to pause the movie and take a break to let my mind take a break from the beating of stupid. I've never had to do that for any other movie I've seen to date. It pulled off two things I didn't think possible in having a character I hated MORE than Jar Jar (Rose) AND giving me two new worst lines of all time ('Now it's worth it.' and Rose's little speech at the end). There are essays longer than the movie itself on all its flaws and shortcomings. It. Was. Terrible.
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Unbridled9 posted...

It pulled off two things I didn't think possible in having a character I hated MORE than Jar Jar (Rose) AND giving me two new worst lines of all time ('Now it's worth it.' and Rose's little speech at the end).

Sorry Star Wars isnt some jock fest and it shows a little Girl Power. Personally I loved the Last Jedi and its my favorite of the series.

Gamerz4Justice posted...

Unbridled9 posted...

It pulled off two things I didn't think possible in having a character I hated MORE than Jar Jar (Rose) AND giving me two new worst lines of all time ('Now it's worth it.' and Rose's little speech at the end).

Sorry Star Wars isnt some jock fest and it shows a little Girl Power. Personally I loved the Last Jedi and its my favorite of the series.

Wow. I don't hate Rose because she's female. Her being female has nothing to do why I hate her. Heck, I loved characters like Leia and Ahsoka. I hated her for being a poorly written character with two insanely dumb and mind-numbing lines, a useless and stupid plot, and generally having no reason at all to exist.

Edit: Also, seriously? Are you seriously trying to say that Star Wars has never had female characters in either disney canon or legends before Rose, that Rose is the first 'girl power' character, and that the only reason someone would hate her is for being a 'girl power' character?
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People hated it because it upended basically all of their favorite theories about how things worked, and they just couldn't handle not having been right.
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I hated Last Jedi and I have little hope for Ep9 but I will see it mostly because I want to know how it all ends.

Solo was kinda decent though.
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LeetCheet posted...

I hated Last Jedi and I have little hope for Ep9 but I will see it mostly because I want to know how it all ends.

Solo was kinda decent though.

Kylo dies and the final scene is a funeral pyre and a porg victory party.
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EvenSpoonier posted...

People hated it because it upended basically all of their favorite theories about how things worked, and they just couldn't handle not having been right.

Ehh, I don't think I ever really had theories about how things worked, or even why. I mostly just hated it because of the terrible story, bad scripting, poor acting, and flawed casting.

Other than all that, it probably would have been a pretty good movie.
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People who like the last jedi dont seem to understand exactly what it is that makes other people dislike it, so they make shit up. Which isn't surprising, I mean, if they're dumb enough to like the last jedi then there's not much off limits.
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The purple haired chick was hot, reminds me of the lady from Jurassic park, who I also thought was hot.

Edit: and a quick google search tells me it's the same person lulz, nice, 30 years later she still has it.
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Unbridled9 posted...

There is a kid I once knew who loved episode 1 more than any other because it was bright, colorful, and funny (in his eyes) and hated 5 the most because 'the ending was stupid and bad and it was boring'. He saw all six (at the time) movies on a relatively frequent basis. Time passed. Now-a-days he hates 1 the most because he feels it's silly, annoying, and Jar-Jar while loving 5 the most. His views did a complete 180 as he grew older and learned what makes for good movies and bad movies.

A fine example of IRL character development. Nice.
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I had some issues with it, but I still think it's better than every movie in the series other than Empire and New Hope

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My biggest issue with the Last Jedi was the way that the movie totally wasted the character of Luke Skywalker.

In the OT, Luke was a character who risked life and limb to rescue his friends against the advice of Yoda himself. In RotJ, he risked his own life to redeem Vader, despite Vader's history of unspeakably evil acts and atrocities. Yet and still I'm supposed to believe that he would try to kill Ben over a mere vision, and hide away on a rock somewhere while the First Order was hunting down and killing innocents? That's not Luke Skywalker.

What really makes the whole thing even worse is that Luke was killed off prematurely before the audience got to really see him fight.

Anyhow, I went on long enough back there. As for the rest of the movie, Plinkett says it better than I can...

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the only people that didnt like TLJ are alt-right bigots

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Not part of the Star Wars fandom, but Ive seen every movie and most of the shows, and didnt actually look at TLJ leaks beforehand.

I legitimately dont know what they were thinking with half of that film. It was bad, and when it wasnt bad, it was boring. And both of those things took up 85% of the movie.

RoS is probably gonna be a phenomenal shitshow too. And Im definitely not looking forward to 10-12 because I know a lot of The Discourse will be Thing bad because bad GoT writers are writing it.

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It is an objectively terrible movie.
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DirtBasedSoap posted...

the only people that didnt like TLJ are alt-right bigots

Underdeveloped characters doesn't have anything to do with politics.
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If you remove the completely ridiculous Rose and Finn subplot, it's not half-bad. And while people shit on Holdo for antagonizing Poe, she wasn't exactly in a position where she had to answer to him and he had recklessly disobeyed orders.
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Aaantlion posted...

And while people shit on Holdo for antagonizing Poe, she wasn't exactly in a position where she had to answer to him and he had recklessly disobeyed orders.

The problems with those scenes are as much about Laura Dern's performance and presentation as they are about the interaction itself.

It also doesn't help that Poe's the only character in the entire franchise that got over organically (he's literally the Han Solo of these films), yet because they never really had a plan or a purpose for him (he was supposed to die in the first film, and was only kept alive because test audiences liked Oscar Isaac's performance), his entire subplot in this film basically becomes superfluous. You could cut every scene they're in and lose absolutely nothing.

Granted, that's not as bad as the Finn/Rose scenes, which would actually benefit the movie if you cut them (which is doubly bad because Finn is supposed to be the dual protagonist with Rey). It feels like a blatant "We don't know what to do with these characters, so here's a distracting subplot to get rid of them for a while." It's made worse by the fact that the entirety of their subplot accomplishes literally nothing. They actually make the situation worse. It would be like if you watched A New Hope, and the end result of Han and Luke being on the Death Star results in Leia getting killed and the Empire recapturing R2 and the plans. It's not really a good look for heroic characters (it kind of works in Empire Strikes Back because the heroes are being reactive rather than proactive - proactive heroes completely failing just makes them look stupid).

The Rey/Luke/Kylo scenes are pretty much the only worthwhile ones in the movie, and even those are awkward in some ways. If they'd expanded those to be more of the movie, and worked out some of the kinks, it would have worked much better. Then you expand on the accidental buddy cop vibe Finn and Poe developed in the first film and have THEM have side adventures (that actually MEAN something) and you'd have a much stronger film. You can still introduce Rose if you want (and introduce her into the Finn/Poe dynamic in the same way Leia contrasted the Luke/Han dynamic), but you kind of need to make her a strong, interesting character in her own right, not a whiny idiot who accomplishes literally nothing of substance (which is a large part of why she became "the load", even for people who didn't give a shit that she was female or Asian). You'd also benefit from casting a better actress in the role.

Realistically, the film would have benefited a lot from a few more rewrites and maybe some outside opinions (ie, the same problem the prequels had). But Johnson was so enamored of his deconstructionist concept that it hurts the film (and the franchise).

It also didn't help that the franchise had literally no central vision or unified narrative - it would have worked a lot better if they'd had a Kevin Feige figure to coordinate between different directors and say "This is where the story needs to go" rather than letting them run amok. If you're trying to create a deliberate trilogy as opposed to stand-alone films, that doesn't really work.

Also, someone needed to stop Benicio del Toro from doing... pretty much everything he does.
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My problem with it is there is a scene in which a character prank calls the empire and does like a your moma joke, and the empire guy is too stupid to realize the pilot's stalling for time.

The movie is constantly trying to be funny during scenes where there should be no comedy, you know like the climax of the last movie being continued with luke unceremoniously tossing his lightsaber over his shoulder.
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RedPixel posted...

Unbridled9 posted...

There is a kid I once knew who loved episode 1 more than any other because it was bright, colorful, and funny (in his eyes) and hated 5 the most because 'the ending was stupid and bad and it was boring'. He saw all six (at the time) movies on a relatively frequent basis. Time passed. Now-a-days he hates 1 the most because he feels it's silly, annoying, and Jar-Jar while loving 5 the most. His views did a complete 180 as he grew older and learned what makes for good movies and bad movies.

A fine example of IRL character development. Nice.

For that kid the big watershed moment was watching Spirited Away. When he was done he asked me why it was that his favorite moment was the bit where they clean up the water spirit despite it 'being a stupid movie about girls' and I explained to him that it's the difference between running around all day playing tag and having a tender Christmas Eve with the family by the fireplace. Action, bright lights, cheesy jokes, and the like are fine, but what matters most is making sure that the moment has meaning. He was getting older so I asked him what the difference between dangling keys over a baby and spending time building a massive fort in Minecraft was. He started to say that the former was stupid but then he stopped and I think it clicked for him then. I haven't seen him in a few years now but when I last saw him he'd grown a lot as a person since that day.
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Unbridled9 posted...

Gamerz4Justice posted...

Unbridled9 posted...

It pulled off two things I didn't think possible in having a character I hated MORE than Jar Jar (Rose) AND giving me two new worst lines of all time ('Now it's worth it.' and Rose's little speech at the end).

Sorry Star Wars isnt some jock fest and it shows a little Girl Power. Personally I loved the Last Jedi and its my favorite of the series.

Wow. I don't hate Rose because she's female. Her being female has nothing to do why I hate her. Heck, I loved characters like Leia and Ahsoka. I hated her for being a poorly written character with two insanely dumb and mind-numbing lines, a useless and stupid plot, and generally having no reason at all to exist.

Edit: Also, seriously? Are you seriously trying to say that Star Wars has never had female characters in either disney canon or legends before Rose, that Rose is the first 'girl power' character, and that the only reason someone would hate her is for being a 'girl power' character?

I dont know if this is a whoosh moment or some troll-on-troll action

It was like arguing the Chewbacca defense in court:

"That does not make sense. Look at the monkey."
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