Board 8 > Tennessee EXECUTED THE WRONG MAN as evidence suggests he's INNOCENT!!!!

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Full Throttle
10/18/19 8:22:16 PM
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Do you still support the Death Penalty even if innocent people are executed for a crime they didn't commit? - Results (5 votes)
Yes. The accidental death penalty of a small minority of innocent people is not worth a ban of executions of real crimin
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Hell No. There is ample proof the justice system isn't always right and executions should be BANNED
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A NEW Suspect in the brutal murder of a young female marine more than 30 years ago has been IDENTIFIED by police after another man was ALREADY EXECUTED for the murder!!

Sedley Alley was put to death by the state of Tennessee 15 years ago for the 1985 murder of 19 y/o Suzanne Marie Collins who left her barracks for a job and never returned...

Collins was found raped, beaten and stabbed by a sharpened TREE BRANCH and strangled near a trail

Sedley was a 29 y/o repairman who was an alcoholic and drug addicted who 'confessed" to the murder after cops fed him breakfast and bought him a pack of cigs.

The jury found him guilty in less than 3 hours and despite changing his story and possible DNA evidence that could have exonerated him, he was killed in 2006 by lethal injection

Now comes the arrest of 54 y/o Thomas Bruce in Missouri, a PASTOR who posed as a customer at a Catholic Supply store, returned armed with a gun and forced 2 women into sex acts and killed a third

He was arrested and faced 17 felony charges and is awaiting trial

At the time of his arrest, police were shocked he has no criminal record and given the horrific murders, they took a closer look at him and suspected he may be linked to other crimes as a 77 y/o woman recognized his face in the media where he forced his way into her home and raped her.

Now he may be a major break in the Collins case as he was enrolled in the same school as Collins

Cops contacted Barry Scheck, a founder of the Innocence Project that helps to exonerate people who are wrongly convicted with the help of DNA evidence but were unsuccessful in helping Alley

They said a pair of men's underwear discovered at the scene should have been submitted for testing to know for sure Alley did it but prosecutors said other factors proved he was the killer and DNA alone wouldn't be enough

Experts say Alley was coerced into the confession by police even though there was no physical evidence linking him to the murder and his recollection didn't match up autopsy reports

The Innocence Project warned against putting him to death without DNA testing and the real murderer is sitll on the loose and NOW they will have a DNA test done as Alley's daughter hopes there is some closure

Do you still support the death penalty even if innocent people are put to death?

Sedley - Wrong Man Executed

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Thomas Bruce - Real Killer

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Suzanne - Murderered

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Barry Scheck -Innocence Project Founder

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April Alley - Sedley's daughter

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BlueCrystalTear
10/18/19 8:27:35 PM
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The death penalty is completely fine so long as it's for a murderer, serial rapist, child molester, etc. and the conviction is supported by DNA evidence.

That last part is critical. If there's no DNA evidence submitted, the death penalty should, by law, not be allowed to be considered. And instead of putting these sickos in prisons to wait 10+ years to die, just go shoot their brains out behind the courthouse. Who cares about ethics when what the bad guy did wasn't ethical? It's about saving taxpayer money.
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TheRock1525
10/18/19 8:48:29 PM
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BlueCrystalTear posted...
The death penalty is completely fine


Fundamentally not true.
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BlueCrystalTear
10/18/19 8:52:29 PM
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TheRock1525 posted...
BlueCrystalTear posted...
The death penalty is completely fine


Fundamentally true.

Well yeah, obviously. The bad guy did something completely unethical. Why does he deserve an "ethical" punishment?

This ain't the Old West, where guys would get hung for stealing a horse. That should NEVER warrant death.
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Paratroopa1
10/18/19 8:54:30 PM
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BlueCrystalTear posted...
The death penalty is completely fine so long as it's for a murderer, serial rapist, child molester, etc. and the conviction is supported by DNA evidence.

That last part is critical. If there's no DNA evidence submitted, the death penalty should, by law, not be allowed to be considered. And instead of putting these sickos in prisons to wait 10+ years to die, just go shoot their brains out behind the courthouse. Who cares about ethics when what the bad guy did wasn't ethical? It's about saving taxpayer money.

DNA evidence is itself vastly more unreliable than people think it is, and the kind of "DNA evidence" that people use in court ranges from "has genuine scientific merit, but still carries a margin of error larger than people are willing to admit" to "literally just quackery"
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TheRock1525
10/18/19 8:58:56 PM
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BlueCrystalTear posted...
Well yeah, obviously. The bad guy did something completely unethical. Why does he deserve an "ethical" punishment?


Cruel and unusual punishment is against the constitution, and considering what they use for lethal injection:

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It's ridiculously cruel and unusual.
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BlueCrystalTear
10/18/19 9:03:07 PM
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Y'know what's "cruel and unusual punishment" too? What happened to the murder victim, the rape victims, the children molested, etc. Most of whom did NOTHING wrong! Isn't that against the Constitution, then?

And didn't I say that we should just blow the bad guy's brains out behind the courthouse? Just because I support the death penalty in certain cases doesn't mean that I support lethal injection. I don't.

There's nothing "cruel and unusual" about ending the life of someone who ended someone else's or caused severe mental anguish for several people. Why should those assholes just be fed taxpayer dollars in prisons?
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Paratroopa1
10/18/19 9:07:29 PM
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BlueCrystalTear posted...
There's nothing "cruel and unusual" about ending the life of someone who ended someone else's or caused severe mental anguish for several people. Why should those assholes just be fed taxpayer dollars in prisons?

ah shit I have terrible news about how much the death penalty costs then
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TheRock1525
10/18/19 9:08:26 PM
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BlueCrystalTear posted...
Y'know what's "cruel and unusual punishment" too? What happened to the murder victim, the rape victims, the children molested, etc. Most of whom did NOTHING wrong! Isn't that against the Constitution, then?


Are you an insane person?

We're talking about people being put to death by the government. The government is bound by the constitution. If we're talking about people committing crimes, I'm pretty sure you can't stop them by going "well that's against the constitution!"

Like I absolutely see no point to what you're saying. Are you saying if people rape, then our government should rape people?
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BlueCrystalTear
10/18/19 9:13:01 PM
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TheRock1525 posted...
Are you saying if people rape, then our government should rape people?

...are you insane? It's thoughts like this that make me worry about you. You do realize that you're going in the reverse direction I was, right?

Paratroopa1 posted...
ah shit I have terrible news about how much the death penalty costs then

Have you read my posts? There's a cheap way to do it. Just shoot 'em.
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Paratroopa1
10/18/19 9:15:42 PM
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BlueCrystalTear posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
Are you saying if people rape, then our government should rape people?

...are you insane? It's thoughts like this that make me worry about you. You do realize that you're going in the reverse direction I was, right?

Paratroopa1 posted...
ah shit I have terrible news about how much the death penalty costs then

Have you read my posts? There's a cheap way to do it. Just shoot 'em.

you're fucking horrifying
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BlueCrystalTear
10/18/19 9:16:43 PM
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How so? I want to see the most vile of proven criminal scum stop breathing oxygen. You want these horrifying people to walk this earth? If anyone's horrifying, it ain't me.
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Paratroopa1
10/18/19 9:17:39 PM
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we are no longer on speaking terms. goodbye
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TheRock1525
10/18/19 11:23:06 PM
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BlueCrystalTear posted...
You want these horrifying people to walk this earth?


They're in prison. They can't walk this Earth.
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MZero11
10/19/19 4:08:52 AM
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TheRock1525 posted...
They're in prison. They can't walk this Earth.


Is the prison on the moon or something

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Waluigi1
10/19/19 5:23:04 AM
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I like how all of his posts were quoted so I can still follow this insane conversation lol
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Runemistress
10/19/19 11:23:03 AM
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It's past time for the Death Penalty to be abolished. There's too much risk of getting it wrong for it to be worth it.

People have a great misunderstanding of forensic science, in large part thanks to television shows like CSI. DNA evidence is not infallible. Samples can be contaminated, either on purpose or by accident. Adam Scott is one such example of a man who was charged with Raping a woman -- only, he was 200 miles away at the time. A lab technician reused a plastic plate with Scott's DNA on it. The sample was contaminated. Fortunately, it was caught before Scott was convicted. But if it hadn't -- Scott would've went to jail for a crime he could not have committed. Simply because he was involved with another case (which involved spitting on someone -- which does not usualy carry the same sentence as Rape, maybe the case of Brock Turner notwithstanding)

A Death sentence is irreversible. Once the sentence is carried out, it cannot be undone. All the evidence in the world could come in and exonerate them, and nothing could be done other than clearing their name.

In any case, the justice system should not be about making people suffer. It should be about two things: Rehabilitation and public safety. Some people can never be released from prison without putting the public at risk. But those people are better left in prison, left to think about what they've done for the remainder of their lives. Revenge and Justice are not the same things. Revenge may make us feel better in the short term, but in the long term it does very little good, and potentially a lot of damage to ourselves.
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