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kevwaffles
10/17/19 6:47:15 PM
#452:


To (hopefully) change the subject, early reports seem to indicate Rick Perry will resign soon.
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Jakyl25
10/17/19 6:47:19 PM
#453:


red sox 777 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Not shunned by society. Society contains a lot of neoliberals! Just shunned by progressives, while also recognizing that conservatives are shunning him for entirely different reasons and you shouldnt join in their revelry about it.


Are you serious Jakyl? You're saying that people should shun each other over having different political beliefs?


Are you trying to get us stuck in a time loop?
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Grimlyn
10/17/19 6:48:54 PM
#454:


kevwaffles posted...
To (hopefully) change the subject, early reports seem to indicate Rick Perry will resign soon.

gonna start a dance troupe with spicey
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Corrik7
10/17/19 6:50:02 PM
#455:


Jakyl25 posted...
You claim that you try to see all sides of an issue

Can you comprehend why some people would be disgusted to defined first and foremost by their nationality?
Yeah, I can see why an American citizen would hate to be called an American first instead of over their political party ideology.



I see the side regarding you perfectly. You want to be unique and act like you subscribe to a higher morality than others, so you miss context in order to try and show off your supposed one upped virtue. It would not surprise me if you aren't a person who preaches online in anonymity, but their life actions don't line up with the preaching in actuality.

Yes, Democrats and Republicans should realize they are Americans first. Which is what I said before it deeply made you salty or whatever nonsense you went on with. Republicans are not your enemy as a democrat or vice versa. They are people who want the same goal as you but think there is a different way of going about it. This really isn't some insane concept here.

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red sox 777
10/17/19 6:51:15 PM
#456:


Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik7 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Im still really salty about being called an American first
Lmfao. This comment happened.


You claim that you try to see all sides of an issue

Can you comprehend why some people would be disgusted to defined first and foremost by their nationality?


I will say, I really hate being asked the question, "are you X nationality," where the nationality also could mean a country of family origin. If I answer "yes" people will assume I mean yes as to nationality rather than just country of family origin, while if I answer that I'm American it kind of chills the conversation because it reveals that the question offends me. And most importantly, the question feels invasive, like asking someone's salary.
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Corrik7
10/17/19 6:51:50 PM
#457:


xp1337 posted...
it is interesting that someone who repeatedly tells us that we're in a bubble is so often surprised to find out what a fair amount on the left believe

like anyone even remotely aware of what the left thinks would know that the primary complaints leveled at Obama from them were foreign policy/drones and the extra judicial nature and casualties with their use and immigration (most deportations, etc.)
So go argue he should be in jail and that celebrities shouldn't associate with him because he is a war criminal then.

You don't. And you know you don't.

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Jakyl25
10/17/19 6:52:41 PM
#458:


kevwaffles posted...
To (hopefully) change the subject, early reports seem to indicate Rick Perry will resign soon.


Theres something wrong in this country when Rick Perry can serve openly in the Cabinet
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red sox 777
10/17/19 6:53:30 PM
#459:


Jakyl25 posted...
red sox 777 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Not shunned by society. Society contains a lot of neoliberals! Just shunned by progressives, while also recognizing that conservatives are shunning him for entirely different reasons and you shouldnt join in their revelry about it.


Are you serious Jakyl? You're saying that people should shun each other over having different political beliefs?


Are you trying to get us stuck in a time loop?


If your answer was yes I must have found it so far outside my model of reality that it never registered in my mind as a serious answer.
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Jakyl25
10/17/19 6:56:20 PM
#460:


Corrik7 posted...

Yes, Democrats and Republicans should realize they are Americans first. Which is what I said before it deeply made you salty or whatever nonsense you went on with. Republicans are not your enemy as a democrat or vice versa. They are people who want the same goal as you but think there is a different way of going about it. This really isn't some insane concept here.


Why do you keep framing this as R and D? Is it not possible to be Independent in your mind?

Democrats are mostly just Republicans with SOME better special interest groups controlling them. You dont have to be either one!
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xp1337
10/17/19 6:59:06 PM
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Corrik7 posted...
xp1337 posted...
it is interesting that someone who repeatedly tells us that we're in a bubble is so often surprised to find out what a fair amount on the left believe

like anyone even remotely aware of what the left thinks would know that the primary complaints leveled at Obama from them were foreign policy/drones and the extra judicial nature and casualties with their use and immigration (most deportations, etc.)
So go argue he should be in jail and that celebrities shouldn't associate with him because he is a war criminal then.

You don't. And you know you don't.

Corrik7 posted...
You want to be unique and act like you subscribe to a higher morality than others, so you miss context in order to try and show off your supposed one upped virtue.

speaking of missing context would you like to point out where I said I believed that? i was simply pointing out that these were common criticisms of obama from the left throughout his presidency because they ****ing were. anyone who made even a token effort to understand what the left felt during his term would be aware of these complaints and viewpoints.

Calling him a war criminal (neat how you keep harping on the most extreme example and ignore the rest) certainly wasn't a mainstream opinion on the left, but I really can't believe you made a sincere effort to try to understand the viewpoint of the left if this is the first you're seeing it. It was on the fringes but the idea that the exercise of America's military in foreign policy since at least the Cold War has been a series of extra-legal operations isn't exactly uncommon.
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Corrik7
10/17/19 6:59:10 PM
#462:


Jakyl25 posted...
Why do you keep framing this as R and D? Is it not possible to be Independent in your mind?

Democrats are mostly just Republicans with SOME better special interest groups controlling them. You dont have to be either one!
You were very clear to nitpick something that was relatively clear over terminology than actually respond in note. It doesn't matter if it's conservative/liberal. Republican/democrat. It doesn't matter what chasm of political belief exists. You already knew that.

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red sox 777
10/17/19 7:00:22 PM
#463:


Like, put it this way. I think I asked Smartmuffin this a long time ago.

Suppose you own land on all sides surrounding your neighbor's house. Is it an act of aggression if you prohibit him from crossing your land so that he will be imprisoned on his land until he runs out of food, and then he will die?
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Corrik7
10/17/19 7:01:04 PM
#464:


Let me know where you stated Obama was a war criminal and should be in jail, Jakyl. That celebrities should not associate with him due to his crimes. I mean, I guess Biden is complicit as well correct?

You are arguing out two sides of your mouth, while trying to act like you aren't.

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red sox 777
10/17/19 7:01:22 PM
#465:


Corrik7 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Why do you keep framing this as R and D? Is it not possible to be Independent in your mind?

Democrats are mostly just Republicans with SOME better special interest groups controlling them. You dont have to be either one!
You were very clear to nitpick something that was relatively clear over terminology than actually respond in note. It doesn't matter if it's conservative/liberal. Republican/democrat. It doesn't matter what chasm of political belief exists. You already knew that.


His point is it doesn't have to be a dichotomy between 2 groups. It could be 3. Or 4. Or 300 million.
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Jakyl25
10/17/19 7:01:53 PM
#466:


Corrik7 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Why do you keep framing this as R and D? Is it not possible to be Independent in your mind?

Democrats are mostly just Republicans with SOME better special interest groups controlling them. You dont have to be either one!
You were very clear to nitpick something that was relatively clear over terminology than actually respond in note. It doesn't matter if it's conservative/liberal. Republican/democrat. It doesn't matter what chasm of political belief exists. You already knew that.


I guarantee you that Republicans do not share my same goal and neither do most Democrats
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Corrik7
10/17/19 7:03:02 PM
#467:


Jakyl25 posted...
I guarantee you that Republicans do not share my same goal and neither do most Democrats
If your goal isn't to make America better and for it's citizens then there is likely something peculiar afoot.

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Jakyl25
10/17/19 7:03:56 PM
#468:


Corrik7 posted...
Let me know where you stated Obama was a war criminal and should be in jail, Jakyl. That celebrities should not associate with him due to his crimes. I mean, I guess Biden is complicit as well correct?

You are arguing out two sides of your mouth, while trying to act like you aren't.


Earlier in this topic?

Im sorry I dont keep tabs on who Obama has brunch with to do it at every opportunity.

I sure as shit was all over so called liberals for fawning all over GWB and Michelle Obamas precious friendship.
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Corrik7
10/17/19 7:04:19 PM
#469:


red sox 777 posted...
His point is it doesn't have to be a dichotomy between 2 groups. It could be 3. Or 4. Or 300 million.
Thanks. My concept doesn't apply to simply two ideas on a belief simply because I used the most common examples of ideologies in America.

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Jakyl25
10/17/19 7:04:24 PM
#470:


Corrik7 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
I guarantee you that Republicans do not share my same goal and neither do most Democrats
If your goal isn't to make America better and for it's citizens then there is likely something peculiar afoot.


My goal is not to make America better for its citizens
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red sox 777
10/17/19 7:04:24 PM
#471:


Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik7 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Why do you keep framing this as R and D? Is it not possible to be Independent in your mind?

Democrats are mostly just Republicans with SOME better special interest groups controlling them. You dont have to be either one!
You were very clear to nitpick something that was relatively clear over terminology than actually respond in note. It doesn't matter if it's conservative/liberal. Republican/democrat. It doesn't matter what chasm of political belief exists. You already knew that.


I guarantee you that Republicans do not share my same goal and neither do most Democrats


Try me. What is your goal?
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Jakyl25
10/17/19 7:06:06 PM
#472:


red sox 777 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik7 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Why do you keep framing this as R and D? Is it not possible to be Independent in your mind?

Democrats are mostly just Republicans with SOME better special interest groups controlling them. You dont have to be either one!
You were very clear to nitpick something that was relatively clear over terminology than actually respond in note. It doesn't matter if it's conservative/liberal. Republican/democrat. It doesn't matter what chasm of political belief exists. You already knew that.


I guarantee you that Republicans do not share my same goal and neither do most Democrats


Try me. What is your goal?


The end of nations. Global Marxism.
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Corrik7
10/17/19 7:06:06 PM
#473:


Jakyl25 posted...
Earlier in this topic?

Im sorry I dont keep tabs on who Obama has brunch with to do it at every opportunity.

I sure as shit was all over so called liberals for fawning all over GWB and Michelle Obamas precious friendship.
Because it involved Bush. When did you say Obama should be in jail and people should be appalled or whatever to hang out with Obama because he is a war criminal who should be in jail.

I mean, the idea is ridiculous to begin with, but I have zero doubt that you never ever said OMG what's so and so doing with Obama... What a bad look . Like Obama is a war criminal and should be in fucking jail. Who would want to associate with Obama.

I guarantee it has never happened.

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ChaosTonyV4
10/17/19 7:06:18 PM
#474:


Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik7 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
I guarantee you that Republicans do not share my same goal and neither do most Democrats
If your goal isn't to make America better and for it's citizens then there is likely something peculiar afoot.


My goal is not to make America better for its citizens


inb4 Obviously your goal is to make everything worse
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Corrik7
10/17/19 7:06:37 PM
#475:


Jakyl25 posted...
My goal is not to make America better for its citizens
Says a lot about you then.

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ChaosTonyV4
10/17/19 7:07:05 PM
#476:


Called it.
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Suprak the Stud
10/17/19 7:08:12 PM
#477:


Jakyl is about to reveal himself as the final boss of the newest Final Fantasy game.

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xp1337
10/17/19 7:08:22 PM
#478:


Jakyl25 posted...
The end of nations.

counterpoint: by denying climate change and loosening enviornmental regulations even as the world burns we might get to this as an endstate

just not in the way you may hope
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red sox 777
10/17/19 7:08:37 PM
#479:


Jakyl25 posted...
red sox 777 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik7 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Why do you keep framing this as R and D? Is it not possible to be Independent in your mind?

Democrats are mostly just Republicans with SOME better special interest groups controlling them. You dont have to be either one!
You were very clear to nitpick something that was relatively clear over terminology than actually respond in note. It doesn't matter if it's conservative/liberal. Republican/democrat. It doesn't matter what chasm of political belief exists. You already knew that.


I guarantee you that Republicans do not share my same goal and neither do most Democrats


Try me. What is your goal?


The end of nations. Global Marxism.


Ok. I think we cannot quite agree.
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Jakyl25
10/17/19 7:08:39 PM
#480:


Corrik7 posted...
Because it involved Bush. When did you say Obama should be in jail and people should be appalled or whatever to hang out with Obama because he is a war criminal who should be in jail.

I mean, the idea is ridiculous to begin with, but I have zero doubt that you never ever said OMG what's so and so doing with Obama... What a bad look . Like Obama is a war criminal and should be in f***ing jail. Who would want to associate with Obama.

I guarantee it has never happened.


Why do you think this? I voted Obama in 08 because I was sucked in by his rhetoric, but I sure as hell did not vote for him in 2012. Already well off that train by then. Because he did some awful shit!

And Ive already told you I dont believe all criminals belong in jail
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Jakyl25
10/17/19 7:09:34 PM
#481:


Suprak the Stud posted...
Jakyl is about to reveal himself as the final boss of the newest Final Fantasy game.


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xp1337
10/17/19 7:10:42 PM
#482:


Suprak the Stud posted...
Jakyl is about to reveal himself as the final boss of the newest Final Fantasy game.

so this is the new content being added to ffvii remake
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Jakyl25
10/17/19 7:10:49 PM
#483:


xp1337 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
The end of nations.

counterpoint: by denying climate change and loosening enviornmental regulations even as the world burns we might get to this as an endstate

just not in the way you may hope


Does it count as Marxism if there is no more Bourgeoisie because everyone is dead?
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Corrik7
10/17/19 7:13:01 PM
#484:


Jakyl25 posted...
Why do you think this? I voted Obama in 08 because I was sucked in by his rhetoric, but I sure as hell did not vote for him in 2012. Already well off that train by then. Because he did some awful shit!

And Ive already told you I dont believe all criminals belong in jail
When did you ever say that anyone shouldn't be associating with Obama because he is a war criminal? When? You do it for Bush?

Did you say Trudeau shouldn't have accepted Obama's endorsement because he is a war criminal? Like, show me one example of where you said a person shouldn't be associating with Obama because he is a war criminal.

I mean, you already basically just laid out that you are an extreme radical and your line of thoughts are questionably along the lines of a terrorist line of thought in principal. But, just show me this one thing. Cuz I think ur full of shit regarding it.


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red sox 777
10/17/19 7:14:46 PM
#485:


Jaykl, can we compromise on a world that does have nations, but 99% of the world's population is equal because they have nothing at all, while 100% of the world's wealth is held by the other 1%?
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xp1337
10/17/19 7:15:31 PM
#486:


this is such a weird line of "attack"

jakyl is saying these things now. does it somehow not count unless he can provide evidence he said it before? why not?
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red sox 777
10/17/19 7:16:37 PM
#487:


Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik7 posted...
Because it involved Bush. When did you say Obama should be in jail and people should be appalled or whatever to hang out with Obama because he is a war criminal who should be in jail.

I mean, the idea is ridiculous to begin with, but I have zero doubt that you never ever said OMG what's so and so doing with Obama... What a bad look . Like Obama is a war criminal and should be in f***ing jail. Who would want to associate with Obama.

I guarantee it has never happened.


Why do you think this? I voted Obama in 08 because I was sucked in by his rhetoric, but I sure as hell did not vote for him in 2012. Already well off that train by then. Because he did some awful shit!

And Ive already told you I dont believe all criminals belong in jail


Did you vote for Hillary in 2016? If you did, I think you lost all credibility.
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Jakyl25
10/17/19 7:16:59 PM
#488:


I dont know how you would expect me to have an archive of everything Ive ever said

Trudeau should probably accept Obamas endorsement because they are two peas in a pod. It would be like Hillary not accepting Obamas endorsement. They all are bad, they all deserve each other.

Ive said time and time and time again that Joe Biden is awful and only acceptable to vote for in a binary race against Donald Trump. Joe Biden can fuck off.
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Corrik7
10/17/19 7:17:20 PM
#489:


xp1337 posted...
this is such a weird line of "attack"

jakyl is saying these things now. does it somehow not count unless he can provide evidence he said it before? why not?
He is trying to say it "now" to rationalize his nonsense that he does on the other side regularly.

I would say it about Obama too! But I do regularly about Bush but never actually about Obama!

He preaches. He doesn't actually follow what he is preaching though. He felt by rationalizing it he could make it not a specific political spectrum but his superior morality argument.

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Jakyl25
10/17/19 7:17:55 PM
#490:


red sox 777 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik7 posted...
Because it involved Bush. When did you say Obama should be in jail and people should be appalled or whatever to hang out with Obama because he is a war criminal who should be in jail.

I mean, the idea is ridiculous to begin with, but I have zero doubt that you never ever said OMG what's so and so doing with Obama... What a bad look . Like Obama is a war criminal and should be in f***ing jail. Who would want to associate with Obama.

I guarantee it has never happened.


Why do you think this? I voted Obama in 08 because I was sucked in by his rhetoric, but I sure as hell did not vote for him in 2012. Already well off that train by then. Because he did some awful shit!

And Ive already told you I dont believe all criminals belong in jail


Did you vote for Hillary in 2016? If you did, I think you lost all credibility.


If youve followed this topic series from the beginning, I pretty famously voted for Jill Stein (in 2016 and 2012)
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red sox 777
10/17/19 7:19:40 PM
#491:


Jakyl25 posted...
red sox 777 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Corrik7 posted...
Because it involved Bush. When did you say Obama should be in jail and people should be appalled or whatever to hang out with Obama because he is a war criminal who should be in jail.

I mean, the idea is ridiculous to begin with, but I have zero doubt that you never ever said OMG what's so and so doing with Obama... What a bad look . Like Obama is a war criminal and should be in f***ing jail. Who would want to associate with Obama.

I guarantee it has never happened.


Why do you think this? I voted Obama in 08 because I was sucked in by his rhetoric, but I sure as hell did not vote for him in 2012. Already well off that train by then. Because he did some awful shit!

And Ive already told you I dont believe all criminals belong in jail


Did you vote for Hillary in 2016? If you did, I think you lost all credibility.


If youve followed this topic series from the beginning, I pretty famously voted for Jill Stein (in 2016 and 2012)


Great! I think we are very close to an agreement. I'm sure a summit at a Trump resort mediated by the Great Dealmaker would lead to a global settlement leaving both of us happy.
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Jakyl25
10/17/19 7:19:53 PM
#492:


Corrik7 posted...
xp1337 posted...
this is such a weird line of "attack"

jakyl is saying these things now. does it somehow not count unless he can provide evidence he said it before? why not?
He is trying to say it "now" to rationalize his nonsense that he does on the other side regularly.

I would say it about Obama too! But I do regularly about Bush but never actually about Obama!

He preaches. He doesn't actually follow what he is preaching though. He felt by rationalizing it he could make it not a specific political spectrum but his superior morality argument.


Can I prove to you that I mocked the Golden State Warriors for turning down Trump to visit Obama instead like thats somehow a good thing? No. But Im pretty sure I did.
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Corrik7
10/17/19 7:22:29 PM
#493:


Jakyl25 posted...
Can I prove to you that I mocked the Golden State Warriors for turning down Trump to visit Obama instead like thats somehow a good thing? No. But Im pretty sure I did.
I'm sure nothing is provable with you, Jakyl. You are the Anonymous Saint. I am sure you donate 99% of your wealth to starving children of every country every year, because surely you shouldn't have a home and clothes and food, if others go without anywhere ever.

Screw the homeless, sick, whatever of America, there are worse cases out there in other countries where we need to focus our government efforts because our government is for human life not it's populace it governs.

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Jakyl25
10/17/19 7:23:33 PM
#494:


Okay, but Obama is still a war criminal
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MoogleKupo141
10/17/19 7:23:33 PM
#495:


Corrik7 posted...
xp1337 posted...
this is such a weird line of "attack"

jakyl is saying these things now. does it somehow not count unless he can provide evidence he said it before? why not?
He is trying to say it "now" to rationalize his nonsense that he does on the other side regularly.

I would say it about Obama too! But I do regularly about Bush but never actually about Obama!

He preaches. He doesn't actually follow what he is preaching though. He felt by rationalizing it he could make it not a specific political spectrum but his superior morality argument.


there was a news story that caused the discussion of Bush. There hasnt been a similar story that came up about Obama, so in what context would anyone have even been discussing whether or not people should hang out with Obama?

gee corrik ive never seen you say no one should hang out with Kim Jong Un, I guess you must really like him
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ChaosTonyV4
10/17/19 7:24:03 PM
#496:


Jakyl25 posted...
As has been explained a million times, its not about what George W Bush believes, its about the war crimes he committed

Jakyl25 posted...
And it would be the same criticism from many (not all admittedly) if she was hanging out with Obama


Does this not count? You said this before Corrik started demanding evidence you said it before
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StealThisSheen
10/17/19 7:24:25 PM
#497:


Corrik and Kim Jong Un, sittin' in a tree

K-I-S-S-I-N-G
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Jakyl25
10/17/19 7:24:50 PM
#498:


MoogleKupo141 posted...

gee corrik ive never seen you say no one should hang out with Kim Jong Un, I guess you must really like him


He never did answer this!

Jakyl25 posted...
Like Im curious how far Corrik can take this

If Ellen was being buddy-buddy with, say, Richard Spencer, would that just be a good example in your opinion of people with different political beliefs getting along?

How about David Duke?

Rodrigo Duterte?

Timothy McVeigh?

Where on this scale does it start to become an issue for you?

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Mega Mana
10/17/19 7:24:59 PM
#499:


Wow, only 13 visible posts on page 9, out of fifty.

Must be quite the conversation happening.
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ChaosTonyV4
10/17/19 7:25:29 PM
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Straight up if you think Jakyl liked Obama before today, you havent read any of his posts ever in the history of this topic
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Phantom Dust.
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