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amzpeng
10/13/19 7:01:56 AM
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Don't forget that they are still people
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amzpeng
10/13/19 7:03:49 AM
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Forgettable posted...
Are you seriously sympathising with incels?

yes
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Dyinglegacy
10/13/19 7:05:22 AM
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I'm confused on what an incel is. Is it any person who wants sex, but can't get it, or is it a specific subset of that type?

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amzpeng
10/13/19 7:09:50 AM
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008Zulu
10/13/19 7:34:03 AM
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Dyinglegacy posted...
I'm confused on what an incel is. Is it any person who wants sex, but can't get it, or is it a specific subset of that type?

They feel that they are entitled to sex, usually with a 10/10 perfect woman. Her loving, and adoring them may or may not be part of the demand, it depends on the Incel.
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Turtlebread
10/13/19 7:38:33 AM
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I think people arent hard enough on incels

They need to be eradicated
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MetaMajik
10/13/19 7:40:40 AM
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Turtlebread posted...
They need to be eradicated


You're going first.
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AnimeFan462
10/13/19 7:41:01 AM
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Forgettable posted...
Are you seriously sympathising with incels?


Its amusing that people actually hate on them in the first place.
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Turtlebread
10/13/19 7:47:03 AM
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MetaMajik posted...
Turtlebread posted...
They need to be eradicated


You're going first.


I said incels not chads
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bevan306
10/13/19 7:47:53 AM
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they are living their own punishment, no need to pile on
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OpenlyGator
10/13/19 7:48:06 AM
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Turtlebread posted...
MetaMajik posted...
Turtlebread posted...
They need to be eradicated


You're going first.


I said incels not chads

You're not a chad lmao.

You post here...
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amzpeng
10/13/19 7:48:08 AM
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AnimeFan462 posted...
Forgettable posted...
Are you seriously sympathising with incels?


Its amusing that people actually hate on them in the first place.

I agree. It's not like they are a threat
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Turtlebread
10/13/19 7:48:47 AM
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OpenlyGator posted...
Turtlebread posted...
MetaMajik posted...
Turtlebread posted...
They need to be eradicated


You're going first.


I said incels not chads

You're not a chad lmao.

You post here...


Im sorry that you think this way
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DanHaren2019
10/13/19 7:51:26 AM
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Turtlebread posted...
I think people arent hard enough on incels

They need to be eradicated
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amzpeng
10/13/19 7:53:57 AM
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DanHaren2019 posted...
Turtlebread posted...
I think people arent hard enough on incels

They need to be eradicated

shut the fuck up
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awesome999
10/13/19 7:58:57 AM
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DanHaren2019 posted...
Turtlebread posted...
I think people arent hard enough on incels

They need to be eradicated

Eradicated with the help of a mental health professional, yes

Eradicated in the meaning that you said it, absolutely not. The answer to violence and hatred is not more violence and hatred and the fact that you think that shows that you're no better than what you want to 'eradicate'
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CyricZ
10/13/19 7:59:45 AM
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Listen.

Despite the "in" part standing for involuntary, people who identify as incels are choosing that path. Putting one's worth on one's sexual experience. Seeking to blame others for perceived failures. A community that refuses to allow its members to grow out of being in the community.

Bullies are still people.

Abusers are still people.

Harassers are still people.

They are all still making horrible and destructive choices.

People close to them and professional counselors can treat them as people needing help. I can do the same for those in my life.

I refuse to forgive the concept.
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rexcrk
10/13/19 8:00:52 AM
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There needs to be a new word to differentiate incels from ..incels.

I consider myself an incel, because Im celibate but its... not completely by choice.

But Im not one of those incels who sits around steaming about how they cant get women and plans on shooting up a school or any of that shit.
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EvenSpoonier
10/13/19 8:18:44 AM
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Turtlebread posted...
I think people arent hard enough on incels

They need to be eradicated

They don't need to be eradicated, but society isn't putting enough pressure on them to grow the **** up. Ostracize and deplatform: this will break most of them.
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DanHaren2019
10/13/19 8:24:50 AM
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I just lol at anyone who is celibate for any reason. Its just an excuse for not being able to get laid.
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Beveren_Rabbit
10/13/19 8:26:29 AM
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008Zulu posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
I'm confused on what an incel is. Is it any person who wants sex, but can't get it, or is it a specific subset of that type?

They feel that they are entitled to sex, usually with a 10/10 perfect woman. Her loving, and adoring them may or may not be part of the demand, it depends on the Incel.

That's not an incel
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PrettyBoyFloyd
10/13/19 8:28:23 AM
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Depends on the looks of the incel.

One can't expect to go beyond their means.
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DanHaren2019
10/13/19 8:30:48 AM
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indels are all bad people and should be locked up in an institution where they can jerk each other off all day
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sevihaimerej
10/13/19 9:16:10 AM
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It takes a lot of darkness to be tempted by such an ideology as that of incels, these people are sad, pitiful creatures so broken they could never hope to create a real relationship with a woman. Seems worthy of at least a minimum level of sympathy to me, so long as there is still a human occupying that flesh next to the monster that seeks to replace him

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hockeybub89
10/13/19 9:21:25 AM
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Anyone who self-identifies as an incel doesn't realize that is exactly why no one wants to be around their miserable selves. I don't think it's always completely their fault that they are who they are, but it is toxic and offputting nonetheless.
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ArchiePeck
10/13/19 9:23:14 AM
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amzpeng posted...
Don't forget that they are still people


It's a shame they don't treat women as such.
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Kaliesto
10/13/19 10:06:12 AM
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awesome999 posted...
Eradicated with the help of a mental health professional, yes

Eradicated in the meaning that you said it, absolutely not. The answer to violence and hatred is not more violence and hatred and the fact that you think that shows that you're no better than what you want to 'eradicate'



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Makeveli_lives
10/13/19 10:10:01 AM
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I think the term kind of got away from itself due to being used so freely. Like there's a difference between people with 0 game, like myself, and those legit mad at women for not being interested.
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The Admiral
10/13/19 10:12:16 AM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Anyone who self-identifies as an incel doesn't realize that is exactly why no one wants to be around their miserable selves. I don't think it's always completely their fault that they are who they are, but it is toxic and offputting nonetheless.


I havent heard literally a single person self-identify as an incel using definitions like the one in post 6.

Guys who cant get laid have been around forever. Dont know why so many of you are obsessed lately.
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EvenSpoonier
10/13/19 10:14:39 AM
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Makeveli_lives posted...
I think the term kind of got away from itself due to being used so freely. Like there's a difference between people with 0 game, like myself, and those legit mad at women for not being interested.

The term isn't used nearly as freely as the self-identified incels like to paint it as. If you don't call yourself an incel, nobody else will either.
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sevihaimerej
10/13/19 10:25:49 AM
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EvenSpoonier posted...
The term isn't used nearly as freely as the self-identified incels like to paint it as. If you don't call yourself an incel, nobody else will either.
That's bullshit, when the word is used to describe a movie about one of the most iconic villains in history for no conceivable reason I think it's safe to say it has been overused to the point of meaninglessness

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EvenSpoonier
10/13/19 10:37:45 AM
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sevihaimerej posted...
EvenSpoonier posted...
The term isn't used nearly as freely as the self-identified incels like to paint it as. If you don't call yourself an incel, nobody else will either.
That's bullshit, when the word is used to describe a movie about one of the most iconic villains in history for no conceivable reason I think it's safe to say it has been overused to the point of meaninglessness

The incels do seem to have successfully co-opted that movie, yes. More's the pity, because I agree that Phoenix's Joker is not an incel. He holds down a job, he has a serious diagnosed mental illness, he takes care of himself (and someone other than himself, no less): these are not things that incels do.

But the Joker is the kind of person that most incels think they are, and I think that is why they were so keen on stealing the movie. It's not surprising: their name is stolen, so why shouldn't their media be? The incels tell themselves their celibacy is involuntary, to forget that they chose the things that make them creepy. They tell themselves they can't do anything about their situation, to forget that they just don't want to do anything about it. They tell themselves they're mentally ill to forget that they're just jerks, and they tell themselves they don't need doctors to forget that the doctors would find nothing seriously wrong.

But people forget this. They're so used to trusting people's definitions of themselves that they don't know how to handle it when a group's whole identity is based around lying to themselves. So they think Joker is an incel movie because the incels tell themselves it is, even though there is nothing incel about it.
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Febrel
10/13/19 10:46:05 AM
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008Zulu posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
I'm confused on what an incel is. Is it any person who wants sex, but can't get it, or is it a specific subset of that type?

They feel that they are entitled to sex, usually with a 10/10 perfect woman. Her loving, and adoring them may or may not be part of the demand, it depends on the Incel.

Nobody is talking about those people when they say they feel sorry for incels. This is common sense.

They're talking about a subset of decent people who happen to be unlikely to ever find a partner.. Think people with severe disfigurements, or mental illnesses, or fundamentally shy guys.

They don't have many standards and don't think they are entitled to anything but are sad that they aren't able to participate in social interactions that the average person enjoys.
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Febrel
10/13/19 10:47:21 AM
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EvenSpoonier posted...
Makeveli_lives posted...
I think the term kind of got away from itself due to being used so freely. Like there's a difference between people with 0 game, like myself, and those legit mad at women for not being interested.

The term isn't used nearly as freely as the self-identified incels like to paint it as. If you don't call yourself an incel, nobody else will either.

I was called an incel three times here despite not identifying as one, which inspired me to retaliate with incel joke topics.
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smoke_break
10/13/19 10:50:14 AM
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Makeveli_lives posted...
I think the term kind of got away from itself due to being used so freely. Like there's a difference between people with 0 game, like myself, and those legit mad at women for not being interested.

Yeah, I don't even know what the word means any more.
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Sad_Face
10/13/19 11:16:06 AM
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Dyinglegacy posted...
I'm confused on what an incel is. Is it any person who wants sex, but can't get it, or is it a specific subset of that type?

People who are convinced there's no one out there to be their significant other, show them companionship and make them feel wanted. If they just wanted sex, femcels could go on tinder to call up the first guy that says "wanna smash" and incels could go hunt down a "lady of the night".

CyricZ posted...
People close to them and professional counselors can treat them as people needing help. I can do the same for those in my life.

I refuse to forgive the concept.


Incels didn't exist to this degree 10 years ago. In a decade we now have kids using Youtube and twitch as a substitute for social interactions and people feeling more lonely than ever before. All in addition to the online dating scene demoralizing half the male population out there.

This thing about forgiving or not forgiving the concept, you're approaching it the wrong way. Whether it's for abusing, harassing, or being so depressed you're going into incel mode, you have to step back, look at the grand picture, and diagnosis the root cause. And above all, you need sympathy. This is how rehabilitation exists and we know how much more effective it is than punishment.
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sevihaimerej
10/13/19 11:24:32 AM
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EvenSpoonier posted...
The incels do seem to have successfully co-opted that movie, yes. More's the pity, because I agree that Phoenix's Joker is not an incel. He holds down a job, he has a serious diagnosed mental illness, he takes care of himself (and someone other than himself, no less): these are not things that incels do.

But the Joker is the kind of person that most incels think they are, and I think that is why they were so keen on stealing the movie. It's not surprising: their name is stolen, so why shouldn't their media be? The incels tell themselves their celibacy is involuntary, to forget that they chose the things that make them creepy. They tell themselves they can't do anything about their situation, to forget that they just don't want to do anything about it. They tell themselves they're mentally ill to forget that they're just jerks, and they tell themselves they don't need doctors to forget that the doctors would find nothing seriously wrong.

But people forget this. They're so used to trusting people's definitions of themselves that they don't know how to handle it when a group's whole identity is based around lying to themselves. So they think Joker is an incel movie because the incels tell themselves it is, even though there is nothing incel about it.
No, it was not co-opted by incels, that's just what the media predicted would happen as they tried fruitlessly to create a moral panic. There were articles coming out daily about how the movie was dangerous and would incite incels and white supremacist and gonna cause chaos, then it came out and none of their bullshit was even slightly true so they just start saying it's a boring Taxi Driver ripoff and try to dissuade the public from even seeing it (to no avail) even going so far as reviewing it more poorly than Batwoman.
What evidence is there of incels embracing it at all?

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OpenlyGator
10/13/19 11:28:05 AM
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EvenSpoonier posted...
sevihaimerej posted...
EvenSpoonier posted...
The term isn't used nearly as freely as the self-identified incels like to paint it as. If you don't call yourself an incel, nobody else will either.
That's bullshit, when the word is used to describe a movie about one of the most iconic villains in history for no conceivable reason I think it's safe to say it has been overused to the point of meaninglessness

The incels do seem to have successfully co-opted that movie, yes.

LMAO where are you getting this...clickbait shit rags like Buzzfeed and worthless tweets?

They haven't successfully co-opted anything. They don't have that kind of authority. It's generous to even refer to them as a group.
There is no cultural epidemic. It's all in your head...and apparently clickbait media successfully co-opted that.

For fuck sake, did any of you consider the Joker movie "controversy" might have just been a marketing ploy to generate buzz on a flick a bunch of people might have otherwise overlooked? Which WORKED btw. A bunch of people admittedly went to go see it just because clickbait news wouldn't shut up about it (pro or con). A lot of movie goers didn't actually care about the "incel" bullshit tagged on the flick. They just wanted to see what all the fuss was about...
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joe40001
10/13/19 11:31:06 AM
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008Zulu posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
I'm confused on what an incel is. Is it any person who wants sex, but can't get it, or is it a specific subset of that type?

They feel that they are entitled to sex, usually with a 10/10 perfect woman. Her loving, and adoring them may or may not be part of the demand, it depends on the Incel.


Technically it just means "want's sex but can't get it" all the other stuff you project on top of it isn't fair universally
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Beveren_Rabbit
10/13/19 12:12:39 PM
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Honestly the Incel hate just shows how insensitive people can be about mental health. What's the point of them trying to be better people if "normies" want them all to be locked up and go through unusual torture? If we continue to treat them like monsters then they might act out as monsters.
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Collat
10/13/19 12:18:37 PM
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Nah. They deserve much worse.
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Beveren_Rabbit
10/13/19 12:19:34 PM
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Think of all the violent crimes and atrocities committed by people that do have sex.
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sevihaimerej
10/13/19 12:23:56 PM
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Collat posted...
Nah. They deserve much worse.
Yes, these miserable, pathetic people so beaten down by reality that their perspective has twisted into such intense darkness deserve more scorn and abuse, that'll certainly turn out well lol

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Collat
10/13/19 12:38:18 PM
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sevihaimerej posted...
Yes, these miserable, pathetic people so beaten down by reality that their perspective has twisted into such intense darkness deserve more scorn and abuse, that'll certainly turn out well lol
It's not reality.
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Beveren_Rabbit
10/13/19 12:47:15 PM
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one of the difference between you and incels is that you have emotional support or a healthy outlet when things go wrong or when things go well.
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sevihaimerej
10/13/19 12:54:50 PM
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Collat posted...
It's not reality.
Explain

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EvenSpoonier
10/13/19 12:59:48 PM
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sevihaimerej posted...
Collat posted...
It's not reality.
Explain

Incels fantasize that they are helpless victims of bullying and mental illness, when the truth is that they're just creepy assholes that nobody wants to be around.
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DarthAragorn
10/13/19 1:03:13 PM
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EvenSpoonier posted...
sevihaimerej posted...
Collat posted...
It's not reality.
Explain

Incels fantasize that they are helpless victims of bullying and mental illness, when the truth is that they're just creepy assholes that nobody wants to be around.

You realize how fucking stupid it is to make a blanket statement like that right
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