Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 242: China, in fact, DOES Care

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Love Ryan Davis
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https://twitter.com/tvietor08/status/1182300722747961345?s=21

Get this piece of shit out of office and into a jail cell ASAP

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2016:

https://twitter.com/hillaryclinton/status/776097265270292480?s=21

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Nice ref
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LordoftheMorons posted...

2016:

https://twitter.com/hillaryclinton/status/776097265270292480?s=21

Yeah but her emails.

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Still relevant: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/10/06/opinion/income-tax-rate-wealthy.html

So if Trump actually provided intelligence to Turkey to help them attack Americans in Syria, would that be a big deal to Republicans?
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Jakyl25 posted...

So if Trump actually provided intelligence to Turkey to help them attack Americans in Syria, would that be a big deal to Republicans?

listen, he's new at this
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Jakyl25 posted...

So if Trump actually provided intelligence to Turkey to help them attack Americans in Syria, would that be a big deal to Republicans?

That is by definition treason, but there's no way he did that.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/256092879401934850

From 2012:

Has Barack Obama been caught red handed laundering money into his campaign from illegal online foreign donations? Media?

This is the dumbest fucking timeline
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Reg posted...

Still relevant: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/10/06/opinion/income-tax-rate-wealthy.html

Im pretty sure this is inaccurate, at least on the low income end. It seems like it might not be taking into account stuff like the standard deduction? People at the very bottom arent paying 25%.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Reg posted...

Still relevant: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/10/06/opinion/income-tax-rate-wealthy.html

Im pretty sure this is inaccurate, at least on the low income end. It seems like it might not be taking into account stuff like the standard deduction? People at the very bottom arent paying 25%.

But they are paying sales tax. And payroll tax. For people with lower income those are huge.
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I can't read the link because it's behind a paywall, so I don't know exactly what comparison it's actually making. However I'll mention that people who make 150k a year aren't paying 25% in income tax, even ignoring the standard deduction.

Edit: I'm only considering federal income tax though, so I guess that's another variable.
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For example, someone making 50k in California, who spends 30k a year, is paying:

Payroll tax 7.6%
Employer half of payroll tax 7.6%
Sales tax 2.8%
State unemployment/disability insurance 1%
State income tax 4% roughly
Federal income tax 10% roughly

Total 33%

And that's not including fees like car registrations, parking tickets, traffic tickets, subway fare, etc. which are additional effective flat taxes.
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You dont count the employer half of payroll!

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LordoftheMorons posted...

You dont count the employer half of payroll!

Why? It directly reduces the income available to people who make less than 128k or whatever the cap is. Rich people don't pay it. Their employers don't pay it.
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Those associates of Giuliani that got arrested apparently had one way tickets to Frankfurt.
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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1182396814101811200?s=21

Plenty of totally innocent reasons for the Attorney General to be meeting with Rupert Murdoch Im sure

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LordoftheMorons posted...

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1182396814101811200?s=21

Plenty of totally innocent reasons for the Attorney General to be meeting with Rupert Murdoch Im sure

Much more innocent than the previous previous AG meeting with Bill Clinton.
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https://twitter.com/ditzkoff/status/1182397984262279172?s=21

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The New York Times misrepresenting something political? I'm shocked
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SgtSphynx posted...

The New York Times misrepresenting something political? I'm shocked

I was going to look up whatever paper they got their info from but it turned out it's from a new book the article is a stealth plug for

Whoops

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Russia and the US block a UN Security Council resolution condemning Turkey for invading Syria:

https://twitter.com/becingber/status/1182379964290797570?s=21

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https://twitter.com/numbersmuncher/status/1182410302383632384?s=21

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https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1182377232221818881

Lindsey Graham described Kurds as a "Threat" in phone call. Are there any Republicans who aren't scumbags at this point?
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lindsey vs lindsey is eternal
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Gonna do another deep dive into a poll because I think it has some interesting questions/results. Fox News poll (think it was last time I did this too.) Re: Impeachment/Remove, this is a different poll from the one I mentioned yesterday showing 50% support for Impeach+Remove.

Poll + Crosstabs: https://www.scribd.com/document/429534764/Fox-News-Poll-results-October-6-8-2019

Headliners (IMO)

The big one:

Impeachment + Removal: 51%
Impeachment + Not Remove: 4%
Should not be impeached: 40%

The last time they ran this (in July) it was 42-5-45.

WRT to the Trump/Ukraine phone call: 43% say it is an impeachable offense, 27% say inappropriate but not impeachable, and 17% say appropriate.

66% say it is not appropriate for Trump to ask leaders of foreign countries to investigate allegations against political rivals opposed to 25% who say it is appropriate.

48-45 think Congressional Dems are pursuing this because they believe it's impeachable rather than wanting to hurt him politically. By contrast, it's 32-55 for Congressional Republicans on them defending him because they think it's not an impeachable offense vs. wanting to protect him politically.

48% think Trump is "getting what he deserves" with regard to the impeachment inquiry vs. 37% who say it's people out to get him. (11% say some of both). For reference, for Bill Clinton it was 40-43-13.

On whether the Trump administration is more/less/about the same corrupt as previous administrations: 51% say more corrupt while 27% say less, and 18% about the same.

69% express some level of "troubling" over the Trump/Ukraine dealings as opposed to 26% who say not at all. (51% express they are "extremely" or "very" troubled)

55% think what's most important to Trump is doing what's best for himself opposed to 39% who think it's doing what's best for the country.

They polled the favorability/unfavorability of various groups/names. The most favorable was "The Democratic Party" at 49-47 for a +2. Coming in 2nd was a tie between Pelosi (42-48) and Schiff (27-33) both at a -6 (Democratic Party was the only entity with a positive net approval.)

They also polled confidence in a number of institutions. The news media is at 47-51 for -4 while Trump is at 43-56 for -13.

More Detailed Stuff:

For impeach+remove: 13% of Republicans polled believe he should be impeached and removed. 12% of Trump voters believe the same.

As for the impeach+remove stuff: Impeach+Not Remove has decreased each of the three times they ran this poll. (7 -> 5 -> 4) as has the "don't impeach" crowd at 48-> 45 -> 40.

The plurality reason given for not impeaching when that group was asked was "Trump did nothing wrong/don't see it as a problem" at 21%. "Witch hunt" comes close behind at 20%.

Back to the favorability/unfavorability of various groups/names. To reiterate, most favorable was "The Democratic Party" at 49-47 for a +2. 2nd was a tie between Pelosi (42-48) and Schiff (27-33) both at a -6 (Democratic Party was the only entity with a positive net approval.) Trump was -13 at 43-56, The Republican Party was -15 at 40-55. And for whatever reason Clinton was polled and she was at -13.

Of some note, this is the highest Pelosi's favorable number has been (42%) in the history of Fox's poll (going back to January 2007.)

As for confidence in the news media, this is actually trending positive in recent years. It reached its lowest point in this poll back in February of 2014 when it was 42-58 for a -16. It has climbed since though has not made it back to its early 2000s numbers in the poll. On the flip side, confidence in Trump has declined.
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Trump is on Twitch guys. Go Prime Sub.

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Trump says that poll is fake

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1182281834970980352?s=21
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1182281836363485185?s=21

From the day I announced I was running for President, I have NEVER had a good @FoxNews Poll. Whoever their Pollster is, they suck. But @FoxNews is also much different than it used to be in the good old days. With people like Andrew Napolitano, who wanted to be a Supreme....
...Court Justice & I turned him down (hes been terrible ever since), Shep Smith, @donnabrazile (who gave Crooked Hillary the debate questions & got fired from @CNN), & others, @FoxNews doesnt deliver for US anymore. It is so different than it used to be. Oh well, Im President!

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Corrik7 posted...

Trump is on Twitch guys. Go Prime Sub.

Cant wait until Rudy comes on and says the N-word
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https://twitter.com/joshnbcnews/status/1182436288168910849?s=21

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https://twitter.com/adamparkhomenko/status/1182441506600374272?s=21

All I could think of when watching this was two wild and crazy guys. Sure enough, somebody made the reference in the replies!

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https://politics.theonion.com/they-can-t-arrest-both-of-us-says-giuliani-handcuffi-1838947437

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https://mobile.twitter.com/jonfavs/status/1182495109922746368

..........

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that might beat "45 Energy Group" for the "not even trying to hide it company name involved in an administration corruption story this week" award.
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https://twitter.com/I_A_D_I/status/1182466201437589505
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A guy who is definitely mentally fit for office:

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1182466266885480448?s=21

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LordoftheMorons posted...

A guy who is definitely mentally fit for office:

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1182466266885480448?s=21

Dumb.

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I agree, Trump is exceptionally stupid!

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Oh yeah, forgot to say fuck Tulsi for that DNC rigging garbage (Im not even sure I understand what shes alleging... that theyre rigging it via... the existence of polls that they dont even administer???)

Guessing she probably flipflops and runs 3rd party in the end

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debates are rigged unless the DNC just allows literally everyone who claims to run onto the stage!
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Tulsi is trying to gather anti-establishment credibility. There's a few problems with this scenario:

#1. You've already got Bernie Sanders taking that demographic. She realizes it, too, in her statement she's like "NOT AGAINST BERNIE THIS TIME!"

#2. She doesn't have enough base support for it to matter.

#3. There are too many candidates. At this point, most people will be like "Tulsi Gabbard isn't going to be at the debate? Well, nothing of value lost." I think most people wish it'd just come down to Biden/Warren/Sanders and MAYBE one or two others.

#4. She's been way too friendly to the Trump Administration. That's not going to win her much support of the left-leaning anti-establishment types. Which are the votes she's supposed to be vying for.
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Yeah, I'm very confused how she expects to get the anti-establishment votes when she routinely criticizes everybody left of her, which is becoming more and more people as she gets closer to the center every day.
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Ashethan posted...

Tulsi is trying to gather anti-establishment credibility. There's a few problems with this scenario:

#1. You've already got Bernie Sanders taking that demographic. She realizes it, too, in her statement she's like "NOT AGAINST BERNIE THIS TIME!"

#2. She doesn't have enough base support for it to matter.

#3. There are too many candidates. At this point, most people will be like "Tulsi Gabbard isn't going to be at the debate? Well, nothing of value lost." I think most people wish it'd just come down to Biden/Warren/Sanders and MAYBE one or two others.

#4. She's been way too friendly to the Trump Administration. That's not going to win her much support of the left-leaning anti-establishment types. Which are the votes she's supposed to be vying for.

It is really hard to not like Tulsi at this point. She is literally the only candidate who actually wants to bridge the divide in this country and make it bipartisan. Wish other candidates would take a cue from her.

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Tulsi is the only thing standing behind a thousand years of glory and utter ruin and desolation
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ISIS militants are breaking out of prison in Syria as a direct and foreseeable result of Trumps sick actions:

https://twitter.com/tvietor08/status/1182719643149975552?s=21

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In other words, Tulsi is the weakest Dem who the Republicans can steamroll when THEY continue to be partisan.
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Corrik7 posted...

Ashethan posted...

Tulsi is trying to gather anti-establishment credibility. There's a few problems with this scenario:

#1. You've already got Bernie Sanders taking that demographic. She realizes it, too, in her statement she's like "NOT AGAINST BERNIE THIS TIME!"

#2. She doesn't have enough base support for it to matter.

#3. There are too many candidates. At this point, most people will be like "Tulsi Gabbard isn't going to be at the debate? Well, nothing of value lost." I think most people wish it'd just come down to Biden/Warren/Sanders and MAYBE one or two others.

#4. She's been way too friendly to the Trump Administration. That's not going to win her much support of the left-leaning anti-establishment types. Which are the votes she's supposed to be vying for.

It is really hard to not like Tulsi at this point. She is literally the only candidate who actually wants to bridge the divide in this country and make it bipartisan. Wish other candidates would take a cue from her.

If it was that hard not to like her, youd think she would be polling better
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Simultaneously, Trump is sending 2000 troops to Saudi Arabia despite claiming that we just couldnt possibly afford to stay in Syria any longer:

https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1182700571469471744?s=21

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Tulsi is the worst candidate still in the race. Yes, worse than Steyer. (I don't know if that's actually true I know nothing about him).
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