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The Admiral
10/10/19 11:46:39 AM
#51:


creativerealms posted...
The Admiral posted...
Your ignorance on China's government or the fact that you get your news from lefty echo chambers isn't CE's fault.

Here's a good primer on China's communism if you're genuinely interested in being informed.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2011/01/03/5-myths-about-the-chinese-communist-party/

China Is Communist in Name Only.

Wrong. If Vladimir Lenin were reincarnated in 21st-century Beijing and managed to avert his eyes from the citys glittering skyscrapers and conspicuous consumption, he would instantly recognize in the ruling Chinese Communist Party a replica of the system he designed nearly a century ago for the victors of the Bolshevik Revolution. One need only look at the partys structure to see how communist and Leninist Chinas political system remains.

Sure, China long ago dumped the core of the communist economic system, replacing rigid central planning with commercially minded state enterprises that coexist with a vigorous private sector. Yet for all their liberalization of the economy, Chinese leaders have been careful to keep control of the commanding heights of politics through the partys grip on the three Ps: personnel, propaganda, and the Peoples Liberation Army.

So instead we should listen only to conservitive echo chambers like you do. Thanks for the heads up. I prefer to avoid echo chanbers all together.


okI41Fy

Next excuse?
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hockeybub89
10/10/19 12:04:27 PM
#52:


The Admiral posted...
creativerealms posted...
The Admiral posted...
Your ignorance on China's government or the fact that you get your news from lefty echo chambers isn't CE's fault.

Here's a good primer on China's communism if you're genuinely interested in being informed.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2011/01/03/5-myths-about-the-chinese-communist-party/

China Is Communist in Name Only.

Wrong. If Vladimir Lenin were reincarnated in 21st-century Beijing and managed to avert his eyes from the citys glittering skyscrapers and conspicuous consumption, he would instantly recognize in the ruling Chinese Communist Party a replica of the system he designed nearly a century ago for the victors of the Bolshevik Revolution. One need only look at the partys structure to see how communist and Leninist Chinas political system remains.

Sure, China long ago dumped the core of the communist economic system, replacing rigid central planning with commercially minded state enterprises that coexist with a vigorous private sector. Yet for all their liberalization of the economy, Chinese leaders have been careful to keep control of the commanding heights of politics through the partys grip on the three Ps: personnel, propaganda, and the Peoples Liberation Army.

So instead we should listen only to conservitive echo chambers like you do. Thanks for the heads up. I prefer to avoid echo chanbers all together.


okI41Fy

Next excuse?

Not biased, but still made a bad take like "This is perfect communism if you completely ignore the economy". You know he meant more than this specific instance anyway. China's economy has been praised as a success for years without anyone using the C word, and now suddenly it's commie nirvana again. Maybe we should just call China shit and not toss them around like a football to mock our political rivals.

Also, Joel, shut the fuck up. I'm sure there are some Chinese forums that would love to have you.
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Malfunction
10/10/19 12:06:14 PM
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16-BITTER posted...
legendary_zell posted...
I don't think you'd be defending this stuff if the label of the government doing it was changed from ostensibly communist to neoliberal

You're talking about a guy who has justified the murder of children based on their parents' socio-political status

I feel its a bit disingenuous to phrase being members of the ruling monarchy as their "socio political status".
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averagejoel
10/10/19 12:12:32 PM
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EndOfDiscOne posted...
averagejoel is pro China?

I'm just not supportive of these protests in Hong Kong
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averagejoel
10/10/19 12:14:10 PM
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ssjevot posted...
EndOfDiscOne posted...
averagejoel is pro China?


He's pro-Soviet, pro-North Korean, and any other oppressive regime as long as it calls itself Communist. He doesn't care about how it actually functions, it just needs the label.

And it's hilarious he is bringing up the Taiwan case when Taiwan specifically came out against the extradition bill and is on the side of the Hong Kong people.

I only brought up Taiwan at all because it was, you know, where the murder happened.
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Solid Sonic
10/10/19 12:14:39 PM
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averagejoel posted...
EndOfDiscOne posted...
averagejoel is pro China?

I'm just not supportive of these protests in Hong Kong

I kind of pegged your position as anti-Hong Kong, not pro-anything, but why?
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averagejoel
10/10/19 12:16:43 PM
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legendary_zell posted...
You are often right, but your stance here isn't a good look. I don't think you'd be defending this stuff if the label of the government doing it was changed from ostensibly communist to neoliberal.

the only thing I have defended in here is the extradition law.
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averagejoel
10/10/19 12:18:53 PM
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Malfunction posted...
16-BITTER posted...
legendary_zell posted...
I don't think you'd be defending this stuff if the label of the government doing it was changed from ostensibly communist to neoliberal

You're talking about a guy who has justified the murder of children based on their parents' socio-political status

I feel its a bit disingenuous to phrase being members of the ruling monarchy as their "socio political status".

it's a fair bit more than disingenuous considering I was talking specifically about the French Revolution. it really ought to border on "Pants on Fire" by now because of how often I've addressed it on this board
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vigorm0rtis
10/10/19 12:19:43 PM
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"I don't know what communism is."

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hockeybub89
10/10/19 12:21:33 PM
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averagejoel posted...
EndOfDiscOne posted...
averagejoel is pro China?

I'm just not supportive of these protests in Hong Kong

If China is pushing something, then you know you should support the exact opposite of it
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EverDownward
10/10/19 12:36:56 PM
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ultimate reaver posted...
Thats the same reason you're getting a bunch of people defending China in a really transparently trolling manner

it also gets you warned, as what happened to yesterday's "pro-china" user. so it's a fool's game to be playing.

that said, even if the situation between hong kong and china is a fair bit more complicated than the extremely superficial "FREE HONG KONG, CHINA HARVESTS ORGANS, BOO" can you honestly blame anybody for having an opinion on the matter? you can be a layman and still have some sort of an opinion, considering the extremity of the country in question.
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Solid Sonic
10/10/19 12:37:08 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
averagejoel posted...
EndOfDiscOne posted...
averagejoel is pro China?

I'm just not supportive of these protests in Hong Kong

If China is pushing something, then you know you should support the exact opposite of it

Didn't China make some pretty big strides towards emissions management?
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ASithLord7
10/10/19 12:40:21 PM
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Averagejoel also blames the Holodomor on its victims. Fuck him.
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pls
10/10/19 12:40:59 PM
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Not surprised TC can't think critically enough to understand this subject. Not surprised comrades like averagejoel and co are here shitposting already.
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averagejoel
10/10/19 12:59:36 PM
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Solid Sonic posted...
averagejoel posted...
EndOfDiscOne posted...
averagejoel is pro China?

I'm just not supportive of these protests in Hong Kong

I kind of pegged your position as anti-Hong Kong, not pro-anything, but why?

there are several reasons, most of which I've already addressed in this topic.

one is that the Extradition Bill was introduced so that people couldn't kill someone in China and hide away in Hong Kong.

most of the other reasons are only really relevant if you're familiar with a lot of socialist literature
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Squall28
10/10/19 1:30:06 PM
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averagejoel posted...

the law was implemented in the first place because a guy from Hong Kong killed his girlfriend in Taiwan, then returned to Hong Kong and they couldn't do anything because there was no agreement in place


Taiwan came out and said this is an excuse. And the problem they had with this case was that they are afraid if the case was tried in HK, China will get involved
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paperbag
10/10/19 1:31:38 PM
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Broseph_Stalin
10/10/19 4:51:53 PM
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isn't it interesting that the """democratic""" socialist always feel the need to shill for oppressive regimes if you press them enough
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darkphoenix181
10/10/19 8:19:13 PM
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
isn't it interesting that the """democratic""" socialist always feel the need to shill for oppressive regimes if you press them enough


not at all
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ssjevot
10/10/19 9:26:15 PM
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I wouldn't call it interesting. It's more so sad. Welfare state capitalism, like Social Democracy as seen in Europe allows the freedom and economic benefits of capitalism while still providing for the least well off. When people use their faux concern for the poor to try to create or support repressive regimes it's sad. Both because innocent people get duped by the message and because those people don't actually care about anything but accumulating power and oppressing others with that power.
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Duncanwii
10/10/19 9:35:42 PM
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pikachupwnage posted...
Not in China because the Chinese government is an invalid govrernment

You cant just say a government is invalid because you dont like who's running it. This is real life not Game of Thrones. I dont like what the Chinese Government is doing either but what youre suggesting is anarchy.
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pikachupwnage
10/11/19 7:59:54 PM
#73:


Duncanwii posted...
You cant just say a government is invalid because you dont like who's running it. This is real life not Game of Thrones. I dont like what the Chinese Government is doing either but what youre suggesting is anarchy.


Duncanwii posted...
You cant just say a government is invalid because you dont like who's running it. This is real life not Game of Thrones. I dont like what the Chinese Government is doing either but what youre suggesting is anarchy.


I mean we are talking about Extradition here.


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hockeybub89
10/11/19 8:03:31 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
pikachupwnage posted...
Not in China because the Chinese government is an invalid govrernment

You cant just say a government is invalid because you dont like who's running it. This is real life not Game of Thrones. I dont like what the Chinese Government is doing either but what youre suggesting is anarchy.

But the Chinese government does need to stop existing.

Do you think it's going to change through democracy or something?

It's not like America having a shitty President. You can't just wait 4 years and hope to try again.
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Ryuko_Chan
10/11/19 8:07:58 PM
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China would be based if the government had more empathy

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iron jojo
10/12/19 12:18:00 AM
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Huh what happened to creativerealms
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averagejoel
10/12/19 2:02:31 PM
#77:


ssjevot posted...
Welfare state capitalism, like Social Democracy as seen in Europe allows the freedom and economic benefits of capitalism while still providing for the least well off

it also has all the economic detriments of capitalism, because it's still capitalism. it still cannot function without an underclass
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