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hockeybub89 10/10/19 7:48:28 AM #1: |
For years, I've heard they are a fast growing country economically that was going to become the #1 power in the world, because they started stepping away from communism.
Now they start throwing around their money to control the corporations they own and influence and suddenly they're the perfect example of end-stage communism that all those Far-Left Democrat commies pine for. Shit's wilf --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Malfunction 10/10/19 7:49:09 AM #2: |
You're not wrong
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averagejoel 10/10/19 7:51:56 AM #3: |
it's weird that so many people think people from Hong Kong should be allowed to just go and kill people in mainland China because they feel like it
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trappedunderice 10/10/19 7:52:14 AM #4: |
What was it called whenever the Chinese government had a huge famine that killed a whole bunch of citizens? Edit - it was called the Great Leap Forward. Nevermind.
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The Admiral 10/10/19 7:54:41 AM #5: |
Your ignorance on China's government or the fact that you get your news from lefty echo chambers isn't CE's fault.
Here's a good primer on China's communism if you're genuinely interested in being informed. https://foreignpolicy.com/2011/01/03/5-myths-about-the-chinese-communist-party/ China Is Communist in Name Only. --- - The Admiral ... Copied to Clipboard!
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averagejoel 10/10/19 7:59:08 AM #6: |
trappedunderice posted...
What was it called whenever the Chinese government had a huge famine that killed a whole bunch of citizens? Edit - it was called the Great Leap Forward. Nevermind. there were many similar famines before that. how many have there been since? --- peanut butter and dick ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solid Sonic 10/10/19 8:03:10 AM #7: |
averagejoel posted...
it's weird that so many people think people from Hong Kong should be allowed to just go and kill people in mainland China because they feel like it Why are you making that argument? --- "Imagine a world where hypothetical situations didn't exist..." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Malfunction 10/10/19 8:03:34 AM #8: |
China Is Communist in Name Only. Hahahahaha this is amazing "Sure China isn't actually a communist state anymore, but they retain an authoritarian grip on many aspects of the country which is essentially the same thing right?" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SuperShake666 10/10/19 8:06:37 AM #9: |
averagejoel posted...
it's weird that so many people think people from Hong Kong should be allowed to just go and kill people in mainland China because they feel like it Citation fucking needed. What in the fuck are you babbling about? --- "Look, if I was good at math, I wouldn't be on CE at 2:00 the morning clicking on topics about porn stars ****ing horses." - May 2017, Dash_Harber ... Copied to Clipboard!
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averagejoel 10/10/19 8:07:08 AM #10: |
Solid Sonic posted...
averagejoel posted...it's weird that so many people think people from Hong Kong should be allowed to just go and kill people in mainland China because they feel like it because that's a big part of what the protestors want. there is currently an "extradition" law. one of the protesters' demands is that it be repealed. --- peanut butter and dick ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Admiral 10/10/19 8:07:21 AM #11: |
Solid Sonic posted...
averagejoel posted...it's weird that so many people think people from Hong Kong should be allowed to just go and kill people in mainland China because they feel like it Because he's incapable of admitting communist nations are oppressive failures. --- - The Admiral ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JBaLLEN66 10/10/19 8:10:06 AM #12: |
The Admiral posted...
Solid Sonic posted...averagejoel posted...it's weird that so many people think people from Hong Kong should be allowed to just go and kill people in mainland China because they feel like it Last time I checked, China was positioned to pass the USA economically relatively soon. --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdR2Iktffaw The day Capitalism was humiliated :) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solid Sonic 10/10/19 8:13:08 AM #13: |
averagejoel posted...
Solid Sonic posted...averagejoel posted...it's weird that so many people think people from Hong Kong should be allowed to just go and kill people in mainland China because they feel like it The disdain for the law is rooted in the potential for grave misuse and overreach. I dont know what youre getting at by claiming Hong Kong just wants to freely murder people on the mainland... --- "Imagine a world where hypothetical situations didn't exist..." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rexdragon125 10/10/19 8:16:55 AM #14: |
JBaLLEN66 posted...
Last time I checked, China was positioned to pass the USA economically relatively soon.Yup, China is buying up the USA. Why do you think this happens? https://abc13.com/sports/free-hong-kong-chants-get-fans-kicked-out-of-nba-game/5606342/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ilishe 10/10/19 8:18:07 AM #15: |
averagejoel posted...
Solid Sonic posted...averagejoel posted...it's weird that so many people think people from Hong Kong should be allowed to just go and kill people in mainland China because they feel like it Joe, HK is protecting its citizens from what would certainly be unfair trials and inhumane treatment. --- ~Phoenix Nine~ ~Victory needs no explanation; defeat allows none.~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JBaLLEN66 10/10/19 8:19:15 AM #16: |
Rexdragon125 posted...
JBaLLEN66 posted...Last time I checked, China was positioned to pass the USA economically relatively soon.Yup, China is buying up the USA. Why do you think this happens? You cant even wear a Maga hat at a nba game. --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdR2Iktffaw The day Capitalism was humiliated :) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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treewojima 10/10/19 8:26:08 AM #17: |
joel, if a HK citizen goes to China and kills someone they'll be arrested by Chinese police, unless you're suggesting that they'll hop over the border and flee back to HK to avoid any prosecution. I'm not brushed up enough on Chinese law w/r/t HK to know how such a thing would play out, if there are any exceptions to current extradition law, etc.
I'm more concerned about the Chinese government using that power to extradite for political purposes, as is everyone else protesting. this is less about theoretical crimes against the PRC that go unpunished and more about theoretical expansion of authoritarianism by the PRC ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Shablagoo 10/10/19 8:27:28 AM #19: |
treewojima posted...
joel, if a HK citizen goes to China and kills someone they'll be arrested by Chinese police, unless you're suggesting that they'll hop over the border and flee back to HK to avoid any prosecution. I'm not brushed up enough on Chinese law w/r/t HK to know how such a thing would play out, if there are any exceptions to current extradition law, etc. this --- "Call me when you get a back-to-back-to-back-to-back. Why would I wanna be a rapper, rappers wanna be Shaq." -Shaquille O'Neal ... Copied to Clipboard!
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averagejoel 10/10/19 8:27:59 AM #20: |
Solid Sonic posted...
averagejoel posted...Solid Sonic posted...averagejoel posted...it's weird that so many people think people from Hong Kong should be allowed to just go and kill people in mainland China because they feel like it the law was implemented in the first place because a guy from Hong Kong killed his girlfriend in Taiwan, then returned to Hong Kong and they couldn't do anything because there was no agreement in place --- peanut butter and dick ... Copied to Clipboard!
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averagejoel 10/10/19 8:30:17 AM #21: |
treewojima posted...
joel, if a HK citizen goes to China and kills someone they'll be arrested by Chinese police, unless you're suggesting that they'll hop over the border and flee back to HK to avoid any prosecution. that literally happened, and that's why the extradition law was implemented in the first place --- peanut butter and dick ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 10/10/19 8:32:19 AM #22: |
The Admiral posted...
Your ignorance on China's government or the fact that you get your news from lefty echo chambers isn't CE's fault. Lefties haven't ever been the ones telling me China's alright or how great their economy is. Also, "Lenin would have loved China if he ignored the economy" seems like kind of a big thing to ignore. I'm not trying to defend "true" communism, by the way. Just saying China has suddenly become "what liberals want" again, despite no one defending China for this recent shit except the Chinese and business that love money more than anything. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pikachupwnage 10/10/19 8:32:56 AM #23: |
averagejoel posted...
it's weird that so many people think people from Hong Kong should be allowed to just go and kill people in mainland China because they feel like it averagejoel posted... because that's a big part of what the protestors want. there is currently an "extradition" law. one of the protesters' demands is that it be repealed. They want it repealed because its quite obviously intended to remove those who speak out against China's evil policies/leaders in Hong Kong or are otherwise are considered "undesirable" and deny them fair trial. China will use it as a poltical bludgeon to oppress Hong Kong and further violate its freedoms and human rights instead of using it for justice. --- My Mario Maker 2 Maker ID is J2K-RFD-K4G Even In sigs FOE! http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/665/328/d75.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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averagejoel 10/10/19 8:33:15 AM #24: |
Ilishe posted...
averagejoel posted...Solid Sonic posted...averagejoel posted...it's weird that so many people think people from Hong Kong should be allowed to just go and kill people in mainland China because they feel like it do you think that people who kill someone in china and retreat to hong kong should face trial or not? --- peanut butter and dick ... Copied to Clipboard!
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averagejoel 10/10/19 8:34:50 AM #25: |
pikachupwnage posted...
They want it repealed because its quite obviously intended to remove those who speak out against Chinese evil policies in Hong Kong or are otherwise are considered "undesirable" and deny them fair trial. [citation needed] --- peanut butter and dick ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pikachupwnage 10/10/19 8:36:11 AM #26: |
averagejoel posted...
do you think that people who kill someone in china and retreat to hong kong should face trial or not? Not in China because the Chinese government is an invalid govrernment that is inhernetly corrupt and evil with almost no protections for human rights. Nothing they say can be trusted. --- My Mario Maker 2 Maker ID is J2K-RFD-K4G Even In sigs FOE! http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/665/328/d75.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Admiral 10/10/19 8:37:31 AM #27: |
Here's Amnesty International's description of the situation, for people looking for explanations that don't come from communist propagandists.
People in Hong Kong are facing violent restrictions on their rights to peaceful assembly and freedom of expression. Write to the government and demand they respect and protect the rights of people in Hong Kong now. https://www.amnesty.org/en/get-involved/take-action/stop-the-hong-kong-extradition-bill/ --- - The Admiral ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pinky0926 10/10/19 8:38:43 AM #28: |
Joel, you realise this extradition law would have extended beyond things like murder and well into the territory of heinous chinese crimes such as writing an expose on their organ harvesting farms, or speaking out against the administration?
This was never about being able to imprison the wrong'uns. This was always about control. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. https://imgur.com/ILz2ZbV ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DarthAragorn 10/10/19 8:46:03 AM #29: |
Wouldn't be an averagejoel post without a terrible opinion
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Malfunction 10/10/19 8:50:18 AM #30: |
Let's be fair, there are innumerable reasons to criticise China for this and more generally. The sudden outcry by typically right wing people online and on CE is totally opportunistic, though, and is so transparently them using the struggle of the people of HK as a fig leaf for their own phony war with "communism" (note: when China was in the news for its economic success, it most definitely was NOT communist to these people). There is no reason not to view their motives as cynical given their total silence and sometimes opposition to equivalent movements in Palestine or resistance to harmful sanctions in South America etc
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Ilishe 10/10/19 8:52:50 AM #31: |
averagejoel posted...
Ilishe posted...averagejoel posted...Solid Sonic posted...averagejoel posted...it's weird that so many people think people from Hong Kong should be allowed to just go and kill people in mainland China because they feel like it Sure, Hong Kong should conduct the trial. --- ~Phoenix Nine~ ~Victory needs no explanation; defeat allows none.~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JBaLLEN66 10/10/19 9:13:40 AM #33: |
Highwind07 posted...
Malfunction posted...Let's be fair, there are innumerable reasons to criticise China for this and more generally. The sudden outcry by typically right wing people online and on CE is totally opportunistic, though, and is so transparently them using the struggle of the people of HK as a fig leaf for their own phony war with "communism" (note: when China was in the news for its economic success, it most definitely was NOT communist to these people). There is no reason not to view their motives as cynical given their total silence and sometimes opposition to equivalent movements in Palestine or resistance to harmful sanctions in South America etc Cause the right is being cringely opportunistic af right now because plantations**I mean corporations are getting affected. --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdR2Iktffaw The day Capitalism was humiliated :) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ElatedVenusaur 10/10/19 9:25:47 AM #34: |
It's impossible to say what Lenin would think, but he also wanted to be cremated and lamented the increasingly authoritarian nature of the Soviet Union on his death bed(granted, he had a hand in that).
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darkphoenix181 10/10/19 9:30:38 AM #35: |
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/25/china-business-xi-jinping-communist-party-state-private-enterprise-huawei
Much of modern Chinas epic growth was driven by private enterprise but under Xi Jinping, the Communist party has returned to being the ultimate authority in business as well as politics. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sackgurl 10/10/19 9:36:56 AM #37: |
hockeybub89 posted...
Just saying China has suddenly become "what liberals want" liberals do not want to be china, don't put words in our mouths the admiral is correct that post-mao china more closely resembles leninist organization of the post-civil war USSR than what's in the insane little red book but honestly it's hard to really say that with confidence because he died so soon after he actually had control. post-stalin communists lionized lenin but he was still very much an authoritarian i think mostly liberals want to be scandinavia, except without VAT. which is probably not realistic. --- LittleBigPlanet is like merging dress-up with a real game. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkphoenix181 10/10/19 9:39:33 AM #38: |
Foreign CEOs, too, have come under pressure to give the party a larger role in their firms. Again, this is a trend that began before Xi. Walmart, which famously wont allow unions in its US stores, has had party cells in its companies in China since at least 2006, and party-controlled unions even earlier. Under Xi, however, emboldened officials have pushed foreign firms harder to accommodate the party and give its representatives a role in business decisions. From same article as above. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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spudger 10/10/19 9:40:11 AM #39: |
god damn this is a stupid topic
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treewojima 10/10/19 9:41:56 AM #40: |
Godnorgosh posted...
I thought there was another term for a country with a capitalist economy in which the state controls production. I remember it being pretty self-explanatory, too. state capita-*gets taken out back and shot* glorious Marxism, comra-*gets shot again* sorry, socialism with Chinese characteristics ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ultimate reaver 10/10/19 9:45:02 AM #41: |
I mainly find it eyerolling that people are going on and on about how they want to "stand with Hong Kong" as if they really give a shit about it. The loudest outcry against China on places like this are always without fail kicked up over dumb video game shit like Tencent buying into companies or the Blizzard banning thing. It feels like a bunch of people are just so accustomed to riding around the video game outrage train that they are now trying to use it to inject themelves into a really complicated issue that they have the shallowest of understandings of. Thats the same reason you're getting a bunch of people defending China in a really transparently trolling manner, it's insanely easy to get people to react and go "LMAO THANK U CHINESE SHILL 5 CHINA DOLLARS DEPOSITED IN UR ACCOUNT #ISTANDWITHHK #DOWNWITHLOOTBOXES" and look like utter putzes while you laugh at them.
I've also seen people take it way too far into racial territory, but honestly that's probably the least surprising aspect of this whole thing --- butts ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Steelix500 10/10/19 11:05:09 AM #42: |
averagejoel posted...
Solid Sonic posted...averagejoel posted...Solid Sonic posted...averagejoel posted...it's weird that so many people think people from Hong Kong should be allowed to just go and kill people in mainland China because they feel like it Lol acting like Taiwan belongs to the PRC. Mainland China just using this as an excuse to abuse human rights in HK ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JBaLLEN66 10/10/19 11:06:16 AM #43: |
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pikachupwnage 10/10/19 11:13:59 AM #45: |
Steelix500 posted...
Lol acting like Taiwan belongs to the PRC. Mainland China just using this as an excuse to abuse human rights in HK --- My Mario Maker 2 Maker ID is J2K-RFD-K4G Even In sigs FOE! http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/665/328/d75.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EndOfDiscOne 10/10/19 11:19:13 AM #46: |
averagejoel is pro China?
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ssjevot 10/10/19 11:25:34 AM #47: |
EndOfDiscOne posted...
averagejoel is pro China? He's pro-Soviet, pro-North Korean, and any other oppressive regime as long as it calls itself Communist. He doesn't care about how it actually functions, it just needs the label. And it's hilarious he is bringing up the Taiwan case when Taiwan specifically came out against the extradition bill and is on the side of the Hong Kong people. --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss ... Copied to Clipboard!
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creativerealms 10/10/19 11:29:40 AM #48: |
The Admiral posted...
Your ignorance on China's government or the fact that you get your news from lefty echo chambers isn't CE's fault. So instead we should listen only to conservitive echo chambers like you do. Thanks for the heads up. I prefer to avoid echo chanbers all together. --- Occam's razor: The simplest solution (answer) is most likely the right one ... Copied to Clipboard!
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legendary_zell 10/10/19 11:33:39 AM #49: |
How the actual left is responding to Sander's heart attack and this Hong Kong situation isn't making me confident that they've gotten rid of their worst impulses.
@averagejoel You are often right, but your stance here isn't a good look. I don't think you'd be defending this stuff if the label of the government doing it was changed from ostensibly communist to neoliberal. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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