Board 8 > Blizzard bans and withholds prize money from hearthstone player for HK support

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Corrik7
10/08/19 6:00:45 PM
#253:


trdl23 posted...
The firing of the casters is just indefensible. Thats the exclamation point to the reason this isnt cool not just hitting the offending player but also anyone related to the incident.
Depends on the circumstances. If it is correct that they knew the rules were about to be broken by the player and told him to go ahead and do it, then they were reprehensible to a degree, especially as employees of the company.

Who were the casters?

If someone tells a referee I am about to go purposely maim this football player on the gridiron and the referee knew about it and didn't prevent it, I am sure the NFL would fire the referee also. It would be an employee and representative of the competition tacitly agreeing to a rule breaking activity.

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JeffreyRaze
10/08/19 6:01:12 PM
#254:


trdl23 posted...
The firing of the casters is just indefensible. Thats the exclamation point to the reason this isnt cool not just hitting the offending player but also anyone related to the incident.


It shows that Blizzard thinks not stopping the player is a violation of the rules. Which means inaction counts. I've seen a decent number of people offended at other players not backing this guy up, which means not saying what he said "...offends a portion or group of the public...".

So basically it's physically impossible to not violate the rule.
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Jakyl25
10/08/19 6:01:33 PM
#255:


UItimaterializer posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Peace___Frog posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
You realize that theres a difference between doing business in China and actively censoring for the Chinese, right?

No i don't think they do


This same sort of thing happened with WWE and Saudi Arabia. Theres a difference between a company doing a show in a repressive country, and a company taking money from that countrys government to produce a show for them.

That was a massive deal. It's a shame wrestling is basically irrelevant and hated these days outside of the bubble (the Braun interview during Cubs/Cards was like 99% negatively viewed), because that incident deserved to blow up the internet just as much as this one.


You say that incident but its ongoing

The 4th out of the 20 planned Saudi propaganda shows is on the 31st
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LordoftheMorons
10/08/19 6:05:02 PM
#256:


The rule is vague enough to essentially be "we can ban a player for any reason at our sole discretion." It's not a defense.

And I'll never stop being amazed by people simultaneously arguing that a corporation should be able to anything because they're just maximizing profits, but that a person choosing to take their money elsewhere is being ridiculous.

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MariaTaylor
10/08/19 6:09:24 PM
#257:


Lopen posted...
Yeah. You put on a big show about being superior to people for various reasons without any real substance behind it beyond your "cutting wit." You get off on cutting people down, and don't really contribute anything but negativity here. I know your track record well. Someone like you being a positive contributor to society in any sort of meaningful way sounds like a pilot to a bad comedy where you go out and make everyone you interact with feel worse.

I don't care if you call me scum. It means nothing from you.


I'll give it to you that what you've said here is loosely based on reality, but you've filled in the blanks with a bunch of delirious nonsense. I'm generally viewed as someone who is harsh, but fair. I can definitely be very critical, especially when it comes to things that I have a strong belief over. I have no doubt that I've contributed some negativity and made people feel worse. But, no, I generally don't feel good about those outcomes. Honestly, my wish would be that people would simply be able to accept when they are wrong and try to improve themselves. And some people can. But some people... man, some people just can't take it when they're the ones being criticized.

There's a reason people like you panic as soon as I criticize you, and it's exactly because of that track record that I have. As soon as you're the one in my crosshairs, suddenly I stop being "harsh but fair" and I'm just "harsh." I'm an evil meanie who just says mean things because I'm arrogant and I like to hurt people because I'm so bad that I guess it's just fun to make people upset.

In fact, I have said and done many positive things on this board. That fact that you are selectively choosing to omit those experiences says a lot about where your mental state is right now. You NEED to believe that I couldn't possibly be right here, because if I'm right then that means you really are acting like scum. I guess that means you place a lot more value on my opinion than you're willing to admit.
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Tom Bombadil
10/08/19 6:10:49 PM
#258:


Guys let's just stick with the corrik Lynch I'll scan lopen tonight

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DoomTheGyarados
10/08/19 6:12:12 PM
#259:


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Team Rocket Elite
10/08/19 6:12:49 PM
#260:


Is there a subtitled version or translation of the interview somewhere? I've seen the raw clip but I don't know the language so I can't tell what the casters were trying to do.
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Lopen
10/08/19 6:17:40 PM
#261:


I'm panicing why?

I find your rants against people moderately amusing from time to time but why would I be concerned whatsoever about you putting me in your crosshairs? Even if I was the type to care about how the board at large views me you have no influence on public opinion here and I've picked fights with people with much more.

I mean I may very well be scum this just isn't something that contributes to it in any sort of meaningful way. The fact that you think it does is a bad joke. It feels like you're playing some message board vigilante character rather than being a real person here. I stand up for FREEDOM HA HA SCUM. Yeah put me in my place, dude. Fight the good fight. I'm so glad we have freedom fighters on the board where would we be without you.
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Xiahou Shake
10/08/19 6:21:27 PM
#262:


I damn near did a spit take at Democrats and Republicans actually agreeing this is a horrible look. With all that's going on right now they'd probably argue over the sky being blue!
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MariaTaylor
10/08/19 6:25:40 PM
#263:


Lopen posted...
I'm panicing why?


because you're super, super insecure, I would guess. it doesn't really seem like something that should have provoked this level of reaction from you and yet somehow it did.

Lopen posted...
I find your rants against people moderately amusing from time to time but why would I be concerned whatsoever about you putting me in your crosshairs? Even if I was the type to care about how the board at large views me you have no influence on public opinion here and I've picked fights with people with much more.


I'm not talking about public opinion. I'm talking about the fact that you seem to be upset about the fact that my opinion of you has changed. certainly I would agree with you that I have very little if any influence over public opinion here.

Lopen posted...
I mean I may very well be scum this just isn't something that contributes to it in any sort of meaningful way. The fact that you think it does is a bad joke. It feels like you're playing some message board vigilante character rather than being a real person here. I stand up for FREEDOM HA HA SCUM. Yeah put me in my place, dude. Fight the good fight. I'm so glad we have freedom fighters on the board where would we be without you.


I mean, you're the one who is literally mocking people for taking a pro freedom stance

no, I don't think I'm going to solve any kind of global crisis, but I certainly feel warranted in calling you what you are; a piece of shit.
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UItimaterializer
10/08/19 6:30:51 PM
#264:


Jakyl25 posted...
UItimaterializer posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Peace___Frog posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
You realize that theres a difference between doing business in China and actively censoring for the Chinese, right?

No i don't think they do


This same sort of thing happened with WWE and Saudi Arabia. Theres a difference between a company doing a show in a repressive country, and a company taking money from that countrys government to produce a show for them.

That was a massive deal. It's a shame wrestling is basically irrelevant and hated these days outside of the bubble (the Braun interview during Cubs/Cards was like 99% negatively viewed), because that incident deserved to blow up the internet just as much as this one.


You say that incident but its ongoing

The 4th out of the 20 planned Saudi propaganda shows is on the 31st

I haven't watched one second of WWE since Khashoggi was murdered and WWE went to that country anyway. I already thought they were garbage but that was a perfect reason to stop watching.

And given the ratings collapse (Smackdown won't last) I'm not alone in this one.
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UItimaterializer
10/08/19 6:32:32 PM
#265:


Xiahou Shake posted...
I damn near did a spit take at Democrats and Republicans actually agreeing this is a horrible look. With all that's going on right now they'd probably argue over the sky being blue!

We only seem more divided than ever because the media says so. Ask your older family members how bad things were during Vietnam.

trdl23 posted...
The firing of the casters is just indefensible. Thats the exclamation point to the reason this isnt cool not just hitting the offending player but also anyone related to the incident.

^^^^^^^
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DoomTheGyarados
10/08/19 6:37:38 PM
#266:


A lot of people got real quiet when it was revealed both sides of the US Senate are condemning this.

I guess I am not so out of line after all, eh Ulti?
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GranzonEx
10/08/19 6:39:32 PM
#267:


shhh stop virtue signaling unless you're willing to get on a plane right now and go to Hong Kong and protest on the streets
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Lopen
10/08/19 6:40:04 PM
#268:


I don't really care if your opinion of me has changed. Your interaction is not one I value particularly highly. I imagine you've deluded yourself into thinking I care because you've PMed me over Discord a few times and I've responded to them, but that is not the case. We haven't talked in years and I have made no effort to initiate any contact since because you're just a person who talks to me sometimes. No more, no less-- just another person from the board that I'm neutralish on. I'm still neutralish on you and don't really take offense at you thinking I'm scum because it's just not something I think is justified very well so I can't take it seriously. It feels more like you're roleplaying chaotic good here than actually being authentic-- you used to (poorly) roleplay chaotic evil so that would make sense.

I'm not mocking anyone for taking a pro freedom stance. I'm mocking people for thinking that their stance on what Blizzard should have done here is grounds for any sort of superiority as a person when it should basically begin with "I disagree and here's why." Denying Blizzard some money or ragging on people who don't want to raise a huge fuss over this does not make you a saint. With boycotting it's your right to do it, but it's a pretty minor gesture all things considered. The ragging is of course completely meaningless.
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UItimaterializer
10/08/19 6:40:38 PM
#269:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
A lot of people got real quiet when it was revealed both sides of the US Senate are condemning this.

I guess I am not so out of line after all, eh Ulti?

I.... never said you were? I recall a "Chris is 100% on point" post =p
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Lopen
10/08/19 6:40:57 PM
#270:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
A lot of people got real quiet when it was revealed both sides of the US Senate are condemning this.


And I condemn this as well for the record! But it's all the severity of the action rather than taking an action at all, for me.
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Jakyl25
10/08/19 6:42:07 PM
#271:


DoomTheGyarados posted...
A lot of people got real quiet when it was revealed both sides of the US Senate are condemning this.

I guess I am not so out of line after all, eh Ulti?


More evidence that video games are communist propaganda and should be banned
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DoomTheGyarados
10/08/19 6:42:46 PM
#272:


Lopen posted...
DoomTheGyarados posted...
A lot of people got real quiet when it was revealed both sides of the US Senate are condemning this.


And I condemn this as well for the record! But it's all the severity of the action rather than taking an action at all, for me.


Same actually, but you know nuance and stuff.
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MariaTaylor
10/08/19 6:54:05 PM
#273:


Lopen posted...
I imagine you've deluded yourself into thinking I care because you've PMed me over Discord a few times and I've responded to them, but that is not the case. We haven't talked in years and I have made no effort to initiate any contact since because you're just a person who talks to me sometimes.


uh, no. I wasn't thinking about that at all.

I was just looking at your posts in this very topic where you started freaking out as soon as I criticized you.

Lopen posted...
I'm still neutralish on you and don't really take offense at you thinking I'm scum because it's just not something I think is justified very well so I can't take it seriously. It feels more like you're roleplaying chaotic good here than actually being authentic-- you used to (poorly) roleplay chaotic evil so that would make sense.


Lopen posted...
And I condemn this as well for the record! But it's all the severity of the action rather than taking an action at all, for me.


lol

like, look at these sad attempts to walk everything back

Lopen posted...
I'm not mocking anyone for taking a pro freedom stance. I'm mocking people for thinking that their stance on what Blizzard should have done here is grounds for any sort of superiority as a person when it should basically begin with "I disagree and here's why." Denying Blizzard some money or ragging on people who don't want to raise a huge fuss over this does not make you a saint. With boycotting it's your right to do it, but it's a pretty minor gesture all things considered. The ragging is of course completely meaningless.


I don't have to be a saint for your actions to be atrocious. stop rehashing this same dunce argument over and over again.

you took the side of blizzard who enforced censorship policies for a regime that is currently harvesting organs from prisoners in concentration camps. I gave you an out: you are either ignorant, or you are scum. you doubled down on being scum.
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Lopen
10/08/19 6:55:30 PM
#274:


Lopen posted...
Yeah I think with a more moderate punishment and maybe a warning that further use of the live stream for political reasons by anyone will result in the punishment this guy got would be fair. And obviously no punishment for the casters.

Like I definitely support Blizzard's right to keep political stuff off their streams but this is way over the top to the point where the outrage seems warranted.


First post in the topic btw

But yeah please tell me how I'm backpedaling
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MariaTaylor
10/08/19 6:56:18 PM
#275:


I just did
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Lopen
10/08/19 7:10:38 PM
#276:


Also I can think you're being a pretentious idiot here without disliking you

I don't dislike you. As always your random rants against people are hit or miss, with this one being a miss. It's whatever. I don't win em all either. (This one is a softball so swing away)

I just said you as the arbiter of who is and isn't a positive influence on the world is something I find laughable and that I find you chiefly spread negativity on this board while trying to be chuu2 about it, and don't really share any life experiences that make me feel like "wow that dude is really contributing to society" so I would be very surprised if you really have much actual substance to stand on as far as being the morality police (I'm sorry, you don't care about morality because you lose chuu2 points doing that so whatever valuing human rights is that isn't morality).

That doesn't mean I dislike you. That's just me making an honest assessment based on what I've gathered from your posting over the years. It doesn't mean I'm freaking out or fuming here. I'm sorry if that honest assessment has made you freak out or fume. Heck a lot of people would say that about me, and once upon a time I would've agreed with them. I feel I've mellowed out over the years though.
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MariaTaylor
10/08/19 7:29:23 PM
#277:


you think being against authoritarian regimes who religiously persecute people and harvest their organs is being a pretentious idiot? like, I really don't get why you keep doubling down on this stance.

I don't consider myself the arbiter of all good in the world, no. but I can definitely say without a doubt that your behavior and remarks in this topic have pretty clearly been in support of actual, legitimate evil. the fact that you seem to see no problem with it, that you seem to think anyone who is offended by this is just "putting on a show," that you're clearly not just trolling or playing devils advocate, really speaks volumes about the content of your character.

like, seriously, this is not an argument over whether link could beat mario in a cooking contest. the people in hong kong are protesting against a system of government that would seek to enslave them. no, I do not take that lightly. at all. this is not me "roleplaying" a character. there are things I actually care about. and "denying basic freedoms" is in fact one of them.

I sincerely hope you don't think we are going to, in any way, ever be "cool" again or even "neutral" after this topic. you keep reiterating that you don't dislike me because of the fact that I'm criticizing you. like, do you actually get what I'm saying? to be clear, I certainly dislike what I have seen from you. I am legitimately disgusted with you. if you don't dislike me or whatever, uh, okay, whatever?
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KamikazePotato
10/08/19 7:45:24 PM
#278:


https://www.reddit.com/r/Blizzard/comments/df6a9t/blizzard/

Just wanted to throw this out there. All the salient talking points have been covered well.

DoomTheGyarados posted...
If you have to be won to my side, I don't want you on my side. Some things aren't about winning or losing, or they shouldn't be. If you weren't raised right already to know that a company's profits don't excuse them enforcing censorship of a horrible human rights problem constantly growing before our very eyes I am OK to be opposed to you. I am not a moderate person, for sure. I have strong opinions and if my time in the political sphere has taught me anything there are some people who can be won over and some people that can't. I am not "attacking everyone", I am making their point of view clear. This makes you uncomfortable. Trust me, we don't agree here and the fact that you think so is a mistake of perspective on your part.

I will not be stepping back an inch, thank you for your concern however.

Topic should have ended after this post btw
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Drakeryn
10/08/19 7:49:22 PM
#279:


Lopen posted...
Freedom of speech doesn't apply here, really. It's not as if Blizzard is against the guy saying it and actively trying to censor him through whatever neutral vehicle he wants to use.

But when you use their show as a platform for your agenda they should be able to stop you no matter what the message is.

Like if some guest were to come into your stream while you're playing some Dark Souls game you hate for the 48th time and preach the virtues of I don't know the KKK you would be justified in removing the content from your channel and never inviting the guy on your stream again.

To be clear I disagree with what they did, as it was clearly excessive and caught the casters who deserved nothing as well. But they should have done something about it. A ban from a tournament or two followed by a warning to not do stuff like this in the future would have been more reasonable.

I think the nature of the content matters, though.

Suppose Maria is doing her Dark Souls stream and she has a clearly displayed rule: "Don't start shit in the chat." Some guy comes in preaching the virtues of the KKK. She bans him. I would say "good job banning that asshole."

But suppose some guy comes in protesting the Hong Kong situation. She bans him. I would say, "uh, what? He said nothing wrong?" It's the same situation EXCEPT I agree with guy #2 so I disagree with his banning.

Obviously (1) Maria has the right to control what's on her stream and (2) guy #2 broke a rule (it's such a vague rule, you could construe most things as being against the rule if you really wanted). So she was within her rights. I just think it's wrong to want to ban pro-HK-protester talk given what we know of the situation over there.
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Lopen
10/08/19 8:02:35 PM
#280:


There is a difference between being against a regime and crying moral superiority against people who don't show enough outrage about a video game company potentially doing some of the dirty work of the regime through a harsh punishment of a player. Heck with me I even agree with the general idea that Blizzard was out of line, but just adding the caveat that a stream isn't a place for that and it's not Blizzard's obligation to be the platform for him to express his views on that, and the dude should have got some much more minor punishment to dissuade these kinda things. Unfortunately, I just don't agree hard enough for MariaTaylor, the Level 1 Chaotic Good freedom loving Bard with a heart of gold, to abide.

You keep saying you don't like me that like it matters. Your feelings about me have no bearing on how I feel about you or about myself. Partially because your opinion is based on a grievance I find valueless (that people should be super upset at Blizzard here or else they MUST support authoritarian regimes) so I don't take it seriously, and partially because we don't know each other on any sort of personal level so I'm not angry or upset that you dislike me. Plenty of people here, some of which I hold in higher regard than you, dislike me, but you can't accept that it's meaningless to me. You keep saying I'm freaking out here but it feels like projecting at this point. There is no backpedaling-- when I say I have no beef with you I am not trying to damage control you calling me scum I am just being honest.
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Corrik7
10/08/19 8:18:21 PM
#281:


Has anyone said they were against Hong Kong and for China in this entire topic? Yet, people are supposedly walking it back. Lol. The issue is Chris embellishing things to act morally superior to people who are okay with Blizzard enforcing their rules and saying they don't care for life and shit because they think so.

That is a moral superiority argument and has no place. I think many of you have lost the ability to argue without trying to prop yourself up or attack character of those you disagree with.

You aren't a better person because you think Blizzard shouldn't have enforced the rule. That is your opinion and one you are welcome to make. You don't have to act like you are a better person for it.

The fact is that Blizzard was within their rights to. They did with a previously established rule and that is it. If you choose to boycott a company which may make games you like over it, that is your choice. You are hurting yourself really. I just question why you aren't boycotting China itself instead of a company enforcing it's rules.


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MoogleKupo141
10/08/19 8:45:44 PM
#282:


The fact is that Blizzard was within their rights to. They did with a previously established rule and that is it. If you choose to boycott a company which may make games you like over it, that is your choice. You are hurting yourself really. I just question why you aren't boycotting China itself instead of a company enforcing it's rules.


1. just because its a rule blizzard has doesnt mean it was cool or good or completely separate their actions from morality

2. boycotting China is basically impossible with how pervasive their manufacturing is. this is like getting upset at a climate activist for not completely reducing their carbon footprint to zero. You can try to make things somewhat better without moving into the woods and becoming a forager

also Blizzard might actually notice the internets response to this and theyre of a significant enough size that China might notice them. China is definitely not going to notice me refusing to buy batteries or whatever.

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Xiahou Shake
10/08/19 8:52:16 PM
#283:


Kupo is on point - none of us have one one trillionth of the influence of a bad PR storm on Twitter. This is legit why cancel culture is a thing, for better or worse - because those tools have actual power with how the world is structured now.

Boycotting China is literally impossible unless you want to be an actual hermit (and would have zero impact even if you did,) but vocalizing your opinion does have actual power, because it influences the players that matter. Not here, necessarily, but I hope anyone who feels strongly about this is also speaking up in more visible areas.
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Metal_DK
10/08/19 9:01:33 PM
#284:


anyone who is siding with blizzard is fucking dumb. But maybe im just pissed that blizzard has been shit for while now. Since the mid 00s or so...

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MariaTaylor
10/08/19 9:02:46 PM
#285:


Lopen posted...
There is a difference between being against a regime and crying moral superiority against people who don't show enough outrage about a video game company potentially doing some of the dirty work of the regime through a harsh punishment of a player. Heck with me I even agree with the general idea that Blizzard was out of line, but just adding the caveat that a stream isn't a place for that and it's not Blizzard's obligation to be the platform for him to express his views on that, and the dude should have got some much more minor punishment to dissuade these kinda things. Unfortunately, I just don't agree hard enough for MariaTaylor, the Level 1 Chaotic Good freedom loving Bard with a heart of gold, to abide.

You keep saying you don't like me that like it matters. Your feelings about me have no bearing on how I feel about you or about myself. Partially because your opinion is based on a grievance I find valueless (that people should be super upset at Blizzard here or else they MUST support authoritarian regimes) so I don't take it seriously, and partially because we don't know each other on any sort of personal level so I'm not angry or upset that you dislike me. Plenty of people here, some of which I hold in higher regard than you, dislike me, but you can't accept that it's meaningless to me. You keep saying I'm freaking out here but it feels like projecting at this point. There is no backpedaling-- when I say I have no beef with you I am not trying to damage control you calling me scum I am just being honest.


this is some serious gaslighting. okay, whatever. I honestly should have given up when I first noticed you were arguing in bad faith.

for any observers who happen to be reading, the people who actually matter:

just remember that lopen has only chosen to mock and belittle my views, calling me an overall negative influence on the board, saying I have never contributed anything positive, coincidentally, just this one and only time when it was lopen himself who was being criticized. never once has this person ever condemned a single view that I expressed, or called my ability of critical thinking into question -- but the moment I am being critical of him suddenly I'm no longer a credible witness. the cowardly fuck literally called into question whether or not I'm actually pro-freedom.

and yet if this were any other situation, if blizzard had banned and censored blitz for something else that was less popular, you can all bet that I'd be the one person in this topic arguing against literally everyone else about how blitz should not have been censored. seeing me ranting and arguing against multiple users for entire multi-100 post topics is not an uncommon sight. even lopen himself as cited my tendency to 'rant at other people.'

but sure. in his mind this is the ONE time where I'm totally just putting on a show and pretending. just by sheer coincidence. the one time I'm being critical of him. wow, that's sure convenient for his ego.
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MoogleKupo141
10/08/19 9:10:18 PM
#286:


https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/df233m/blitzchungs_response_i_spent_4_years_on

Blitzchungs response: "I spent 4 years on Hearthstone so I only lost 4 years of my life, but if HK loses it will be forever."

I just cant imagine the instinct to defend the shitty corporation when you could be on the side of this cool dude instead
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MawiIe
10/08/19 9:22:02 PM
#287:


I've been thinking about it, and if Blizzard actually had a rule that disallowed political talk I would 100% be on board with this guy losing his prize money. It would still be a bad thing for blizzard to do, and I would be outraged, but like the normal corporate outrage level of outrage. The truth is he took that risk to do something he believed in and dealt with the consequences.

But the "rule" that blizzard is citing is that people can't say anything that would "hurt their brand" which makes this situation ten times more disgusting to me, because in this instance blizzard is actively saying the support of basic civil rights is "hurting their brand" People claiming that it's Blizzard's right to be apolitical are absolutely right, but that's not what they're doing in this particular situation.
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foolm0r0n
10/08/19 9:37:19 PM
#288:


GranzonEx posted...
shhh stop virtue signaling unless you're willing to get on a plane right now and go to Hong Kong and protest on the streets

I literally have a plane ticket to Hong Kong right now, just waiting to go
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foolm0r0n
10/08/19 9:38:51 PM
#289:


Corrik7 posted...
The issue is Chris embellishing things to act morally superior to people who are okay with Blizzard enforcing their rules and saying they don't care for life and shit because they think so

How do you argue with someone who claims they have absolutely no stance or position on the topic

It's totally childish
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foolm0r0n
10/08/19 9:39:42 PM
#290:


Corrik7 posted...
I just question why you aren't boycotting China itself instead of a company enforcing it's rules.

You don't question it because I explained it and you ignored it. You don't want answers, so don't call it a question.
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Xiahou Shake
10/08/19 9:39:50 PM
#291:


Foolmo waiting instead of hurling himself headlong into the chaos pfft what a bad ally
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Lopen
10/08/19 10:13:11 PM
#292:


Gaslighting what

I'm just saying you are misrepresenting the stance of everyone who isn't all up on blizzard's ass by claiming that makes you pro China or even necessarily pro censorship. That's not what it's about. I don't see a reason to have an argument about "points" when you are misrepresenting mine. You are critically thinking about a point I'm not making.

My issue has never been about your stance on censorship, it's been about you being holier than thou to people who would dare not show outrage over what Blizzard did, as though not being SUPER UPSET here makes you a bad person or something. If you disagree but are only a little upset and will talk out the details of whether a lesser punishment was warranted that's just not good enough-- like how vigorously you're wagging your finger at Blizzard on a video game message board means anything about your worth as a person. It's impossible to take seriously and reads more like a freedom fighter character than a reaction a real person would have to this. That doesn't mean the stance is fake-- you could just be cranking the volume real loud on what you actually believe, but the reaction is such a character.
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ChichiriMuyo
10/08/19 10:36:54 PM
#293:


banananor posted...
Still not sure why the supreme court considers them people and considers money free speech


Because they're put into office by corrupt politicians who want the system to remain broken.
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Corrik7
10/08/19 11:00:43 PM
#294:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/df233m/blitzchungs_response_i_spent_4_years_on

Blitzchungs response: "I spent 4 years on Hearthstone so I only lost 4 years of my life, but if HK loses it will be forever."

I just cant imagine the instinct to defend the shitty corporation when you could be on the side of this cool dude instead
You know literally nothing at all about this dude besides he sides with you on one thing and plays a game.

MawiIe posted...
But the "rule" that blizzard is citing is that people can't say anything that would "hurt their brand" which makes this situation ten times more disgusting to me, because in this instance blizzard is actively saying the support of basic civil rights is "hurting their brand" People claiming that it's Blizzard's right to be apolitical are absolutely right, but that's not what they're doing in this particular situation.


Probably about 30% plus of their market is China. They aren't saying not to support "civil basic rights" either. This again is embellishing an argument to act morally superior or appeal to higher virtue.

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Corrik7
10/08/19 11:10:26 PM
#295:


Also, he didn't say go support Hong Kong in their cause. He straight up said to "liberate" Hong Kong which is another can of worms also.

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scarletspeed7
10/08/19 11:11:15 PM
#296:


Can someone compile all of Metal_DK's posts into a scrapbook?
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MawiIe
10/08/19 11:12:41 PM
#297:


Corrik7 posted...
Probably about 30% plus of their market is China


Just curious, do you have a certain percentage of market that makes it not worth bowing to a dictator? Or is it always ok to bow to a dictator as long as you're making any profit?
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Corrik7
10/08/19 11:16:08 PM
#298:


MawiIe posted...
Just curious, do you have a certain percentage of market that makes it not worth bowing to a dictator? Or is it always ok to bow to a dictator as long as you're making any profit?
Companies strive to make profit, not alienate one of their biggest and emerging markets with growth potential.

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GranzonEx
10/08/19 11:17:21 PM
#299:


you don't need to know a person's life story to sympathize with their right to basic human rights, and the whole not getting put into a concentration camp and have their organs harvested while they're still alive
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MawiIe
10/08/19 11:18:27 PM
#300:


Corrik7 posted...
Companies strive to make profit, not alienate one of their biggest and emerging markets with growth potential.


ok so like, what, ten dollars? You think it's cool for a company to bow to a dictator for ten bucks?

Is that how much you were paid to make a fool of yourself in this topic? Because I will pay you 11 bucks to take the opposite position.
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Metal_DK
10/08/19 11:38:38 PM
#301:


scarletspeed7 posted...
Can someone compile all of Metal_DK's posts into a scrapbook?


Blizzard has been a shit company since 2006/2007ish for real

Also they are wrong with banning the streamer and pandering to china for da $$$

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MoogleKupo141
10/08/19 11:42:05 PM
#302:


You know literally nothing at all about this dude besides he sides with you on one thing and plays a game.


*played a game, past tense
because of the other thing I know about him: that he risked (and subsequently lost) his tournament prize and his ability to participate in future competitions to speak out for his cause

what more do I need to know about him to think he deserves my support way more than a giant corporation?
What do you know about Blizzard that makes you want to lick their boots here?
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