Poll of the Day > Do you agree with Colt ending sales of ar-15 rifles for personal use?

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CedarPointcp
09/20/19 9:18:55 PM
#1:


do you agree with it? - Results (8 votes)
yes
37.5% (3 votes)
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no
62.5% (5 votes)
5
or are they ending production? it was one of them
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Lokarin
09/20/19 9:20:25 PM
#2:


Sure, why not - an updated design could make a lot of money.
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TheWitchMorgana
09/20/19 9:21:53 PM
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absolutely, civilians dont need to own semi-automatic rifles
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Krazy_Kirby
09/20/19 9:23:15 PM
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TheWitchMorgana posted...
absolutely, civilians dont need to own semi-automatic rifles


and you don't need a car
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TheWitchMorgana
09/20/19 9:24:25 PM
#5:


Krazy_Kirby posted...
TheWitchMorgana posted...
absolutely, civilians dont need to own semi-automatic rifles

and you don't need a car

me personally, no i dont. dont see how its relevant though
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darkknight109
09/20/19 10:20:34 PM
#7:


Zangulus posted...
They're suspending civilian sales and nothing else. And they're only doing it because they say the market is saturated at this point, which is kind of psychotic really.

This. Like, I find it more than a little disturbing that a weapons manufacturer, when talking about a weapon designed for war which has been involved in dozens of mass shootings at this point, has essentially said, "Yeah, we've basically succeeded in selling this thing to everyone who we could see as a potential customer."
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Lil69Leo
09/20/19 10:34:54 PM
#8:


They are only temporary stopping to focus on a large contract sale and production of the AR-15. It will come back sadly.
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Lokarin
09/20/19 10:35:02 PM
#9:


I'm saying the opposite. Guns should be like the iPhone, get the newest model!
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Aaantlion
09/20/19 10:54:21 PM
#10:


I'm not happy about the temporary furlough, but there are enough out there that if I really wanted one I could buy it anyway.

TheWitchMorgana posted...
absolutely, civilians dont need to own semi-automatic rifles


Au contraire, in these uncertain times, civilians ABSOLUTELY need semi-auto rifles. Every city and town is just one officer-involved shooting away from a full scale riot that could suspend rule of law. You look at Ferguson, Baltimore, etc, and you see a wake-up call: Government is either unwilling or unable to handle these large-scale incidents, so civilians need to be able to protect themselves.
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Mead
09/20/19 11:06:17 PM
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In my opinion private citizens should not own weapons of modern warfare. A simple handgun or rifle is one thing, a semi auto is quite another.
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Dark_Spiret
09/20/19 11:21:16 PM
#12:


Mead posted...
A simple handgun or rifle is one thing, a semi auto is quite another.

pretty much everything is semi-auto now and depending on how you want to word it revolvers could end up in that camp too so basically that kind of statement can mean 90-95% of guns or more.

OT: they are doing neither. they are suspending production of civilian AR's because of the over saturation in the market and Colt not wanting to be competitive. most likely this is a marketing ploy to push their sales up since now Colt's are going to be worth more. this isnt the first time theyve done this tho it does come off as bad timing.
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Lokarin
09/20/19 11:26:38 PM
#13:


Mead posted...
In my opinion private citizens should not own weapons of modern warfare. A simple handgun or rifle is one thing, a semi auto is quite another.


Will people be still saying this in 50 years?

ugh, private citizens shouldn't be allowed to have 200 Gigawatt pulse rifles, only phasers

Also, unless you're using like a revolver or something you have a semi-auto
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Miroku_of_Nite1
09/21/19 12:58:15 AM
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Doesn't matter. Colt hasn't made anything quality in 30 years. Also given how they've lost government contracts they probably wont be around much longer anyway.
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bulbinking
09/21/19 1:25:34 AM
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Mead posted...
In my opinion private citizens should not own weapons of modern warfare. A simple handgun or rifle is one thing, a semi auto is quite another.


Soldiers dont use semi auto

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BlackScythe0
09/21/19 1:41:57 AM
#17:


The AR-15 is the weapon of choice for mass murder.

I absolutely agree.
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Grendel
09/21/19 1:46:23 AM
#18:


I don't care and there are plenty of other semi auto rifles that mass shooters will get instead.
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CaptainStrong
09/21/19 2:00:11 AM
#19:


Krazy_Kirby posted...
TheWitchMorgana posted...
absolutely, civilians dont need to own semi-automatic rifles


and you don't need a car

Cars have many more legitimate uses than a fucking AR-15.
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Miroku_of_Nite1
09/21/19 2:04:55 AM
#20:


bulbinking posted...
Mead posted...
In my opinion private citizens should not own weapons of modern warfare. A simple handgun or rifle is one thing, a semi auto is quite another.


Soldiers dont use semi auto


They do. They just typically have the option to go full auto or in some cases 3 shot burst.
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Charocks
09/21/19 2:30:33 AM
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Yes. If you honestly believe that you need a semi-automatic rifle for home defense, then you're either insane or such an incredibly bad shot that you shouldn't own a squirt gun let alone an actual gun.

Now you might say "Well Mr. Charocks, I need it to hunt the wild hogs in my area!" Then you're in the minority but, lucky you, there are plenty of alternatives out there.

Now you might say "B-but Mr. Charocks, what if the government becomes tyrannical and we need to overthrow it?" There's a special word for people like you; delusional. The government has tanks, jets, bombs, and drones. 5.56 isn't exactly Gungnur. Besides that, the military is so large and so diverse that only a minority of soldiers would actually carry out a tyrannical regime's bidding.

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KnoxKorner
09/21/19 2:58:19 AM
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Charocks posted...
Yes. If you honestly believe that you need a semi-automatic rifle for home defense, then you're either insane or such an incredibly bad shot that you shouldn't own a squirt gun let alone an actual gun.


Here is eight cases.
https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/03/14/8-times-law-abiding-citizens-saved-lives-ar-15/

Charocks posted...
Now you might say "B-but Mr. Charocks, what if the government becomes tyrannical and we need to overthrow it?" There's a special word for people like you; delusional. The government has tanks, jets, bombs, and drones. 5.56 isn't exactly Gungnur. Besides that, the military is so large and so diverse that only a minority of soldiers would actually carry out a tyrannical regime's bidding.


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usranger13
09/21/19 2:59:26 AM
#23:


Gun grabbers: "Nobody needs a weapon of war like an AR-15!"

Also gun grabbers: "An AR-15 would be useless in a war against the government!"
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KnoxKorner
09/21/19 3:01:43 AM
#24:


usranger13 posted...
Gun grabbers: "Nobody needs a weapon of war like an AR-15!"

Also gun grabbers: "An AR-15 would be useless in a war against the government!"


Cognitive dissonance.
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Dreaming_King
09/21/19 3:02:44 AM
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Charocks, Charocks, Charocks.. Tsk, tsk. You'll be wishing you had an AR-15 yourself when the Russians/Chinese/North Koreans/aliens invade and the citizens of our great country are the last line of defense. Who knows, it could happen tomorrow!
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Lokarin
09/21/19 3:06:31 AM
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Dreaming_King posted...
Charocks, Charocks, Charocks.. Tsk, tsk. You'll be wishing you had an AR-15 yourself when the Russians/Chinese/North Koreans/aliens invade and the citizens of our great country are the last line of defense. Who knows, it could happen tomorrow!


Why is there so much AR-15 boner?

It's no where near as good as the OICW
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Miroku_of_Nite1
09/21/19 3:23:32 AM
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Lokarin posted...
It's no where near as good as the OICW


That hunk of junk? Might as well think the H&K G11 was a good practical idea.
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Cruddy_horse
09/21/19 3:42:55 AM
#28:


I won't change anything, everyone who's interested in guns already has one, probably two, and then the parts to put one together.
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Cacciato
09/21/19 3:45:14 AM
#29:


bulbinking posted...
Mead posted...
In my opinion private citizens should not own weapons of modern warfare. A simple handgun or rifle is one thing, a semi auto is quite another.


Soldiers dont use semi auto

As a former soldier, you clearly have no idea what the fuck youre talking about.
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Mead
09/21/19 3:45:30 AM
#30:


Cruddy_horse posted...
I won't change anything, everyone who's interested in guns already has one, probably two, and then the parts to put one together.


Mandatory buybacks.
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Lokarin
09/21/19 3:50:16 AM
#31:


Miroku_of_Nite1 posted...
Lokarin posted...
It's no where near as good as the OICW


That hunk of junk? Might as well think the H&K G11 was a good practical idea.


Is the OICW, like, the DeLorean of guns? or is that the L9A1? (?, the SA80 mark 1)
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TheWitchMorgana
09/21/19 3:51:25 AM
#32:


usranger13 posted...
Gun grabbers: "Nobody needs a weapon of war like an AR-15!"

Also gun grabbers: "An AR-15 would be useless in a war against the government!"

oh okay whatever you say usranger13
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Keebs05
09/21/19 4:13:36 AM
#33:


Mead posted...
Cruddy_horse posted...
I won't change anything, everyone who's interested in guns already has one, probably two, and then the parts to put one together.


Mandatory buybacks.

Translation: Confiscation
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Mead
09/21/19 4:23:03 AM
#34:


Keebs05 posted...
Mead posted...
Cruddy_horse posted...
I won't change anything, everyone who's interested in guns already has one, probably two, and then the parts to put one together.


Mandatory buybacks.

Translation: Confiscation


Yeah thats what mandatory means.
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Miroku_of_Nite1
09/21/19 4:40:45 AM
#35:


Lokarin posted...
Is the OICW, like, the DeLorean of guns? or is that the L9A1? (?, the SA80 mark 1)


Sort of. The L9A1 was the 825 Sterling, while the OICW is more like the Vector W8.
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waterdeepchu
09/21/19 5:24:41 AM
#36:


Sure. it's their company after all. If they want to completely voluntarily do something like this, I don't see why anyone would have a problem with it at all.
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Parallax3601
09/21/19 5:57:18 AM
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Merely a PR stunt, following a disappointing but not unexpected trend in today's world.
I can't imagine the demographic they're appealing to is the type to purchase firearms to begin with, but hey, what do I know about marketing.
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_AdjI_
09/21/19 6:51:16 AM
#38:


Charocks posted...
Yes. If you honestly believe that you need a semi-automatic rifle for home defense, then you're either insane or such an incredibly bad shot that you shouldn't own a squirt gun let alone an actual gun.


The thing I don't get about the "home defense" argument is that the people espousing it never seem to also suggest that it's a good idea to have an AED in homes. Heart disease kills 610,000 Americans every year, orders of magnitude greater than the number killed by home invaders (I'm seeing 100 in one spot, but I'm having trouble pinning down exact numbers in a quick search), yet none of these people who allegedly care so much about personal safety are doing anything to address that vastly greater risk.
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BeerOnTap
09/21/19 8:18:39 AM
#39:


TheWitchMorgana posted...
absolutely, civilians dont need to own semi-automatic rifles


#1 Its not called the Bill Of Needs, its called the Bill Of Rights.

#2 Yes we f***ing do.
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EvilMegas
09/21/19 8:37:36 AM
#40:


Krazy_Kirby posted...
TheWitchMorgana posted...
absolutely, civilians dont need to own semi-automatic rifles


and you don't need a car

Lol comparing a car to a rifle in terms of usefulness
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CaptainStrong
09/21/19 8:41:07 AM
#41:


BeerOnTap posted...
TheWitchMorgana posted...
absolutely, civilians dont need to own semi-automatic rifles


#1 Its not called the Bill Of Needs, its called the Bill Of Rights.

#2 Yes we f***ing do.

What do you need semi-auto rifles for?
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reason
09/21/19 9:08:57 AM
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The stupidity in this topic is astounding.
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Krazy_Kirby
09/21/19 9:26:28 AM
#43:


CaptainStrong posted...
BeerOnTap posted...
TheWitchMorgana posted...
absolutely, civilians dont need to own semi-automatic rifles


#1 Its not called the Bill Of Needs, its called the Bill Of Rights.

#2 Yes we f***ing do.

What do you need semi-auto rifles for?


home invasions
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Mead
09/21/19 9:31:18 AM
#44:


Krazy_Kirby posted...
CaptainStrong posted...
BeerOnTap posted...
TheWitchMorgana posted...
absolutely, civilians dont need to own semi-automatic rifles


#1 Its not called the Bill Of Needs, its called the Bill Of Rights.

#2 Yes we f***ing do.

What do you need semi-auto rifles for?


home invasions


How about you just stop invading homes
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Cacciato
09/21/19 9:46:43 AM
#45:


CaptainStrong posted...
BeerOnTap posted...
TheWitchMorgana posted...
absolutely, civilians dont need to own semi-automatic rifles


#1 Its not called the Bill Of Needs, its called the Bill Of Rights.

#2 Yes we f***ing do.

What do you need semi-auto rifles for?

Zombies. Thats not even a hard question
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ferko420
09/21/19 10:42:31 AM
#46:


They didn't simply shut down the production lines cos they have thousands of them sitting in the warehouse. Colts ar isn't even a real popular one anyway. Just another way to get their name out there to sell those collecting dust and restart the line. Nobody stopped selling anything in this story.
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WizardofHoth
09/21/19 11:01:59 AM
#47:


The only way they can take away peoples "AR-15s" is if they pry them from their dead right hands
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Cacciato
09/21/19 11:03:36 AM
#48:


ferko420 posted...
Colts ar isn't even a real popular one anyway. Just another way to get their name out there to sell those collecting dust and restart the line.

Lol
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CedarPointcp
09/21/19 11:09:24 AM
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why do you lol, it was a true statement
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Cacciato
09/21/19 11:27:16 AM
#50:


CedarPointcp posted...
why do you lol, it was a true statement

No offense guy, but youre not exactly the best person to back that guy up.

Also holy shit, I didnt know you were capable of responding to your own topics.
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Dark_Spiret
09/21/19 11:32:26 AM
#51:


Cacciato posted...
Lol
Colt's 1911's and their revolvers are still widely coveted (especially their revolvers which have exquisite triggers). their AR's however have turned into nothing particularly noteworthy. They are still good rifles with all the milspec stuff youd expect from a combat rifle, but they havnt done anything particularly noteworthy with them. hell it took over a decade just for them to make a rifle with a midlength gas system behind many others who started it. theres so many makers out there who basically offer just as much at $200-300 less and at the price Colt is still asking for their brand you can either build one thats better for the same price or go with another prebuilt one like an FN (who beat out colt's military contracts) or BCM and get better better fit and finish on top of everything else youd want of which colt has also been lacking in that regard (tho the actual function has always been good in my experience).

and thats assuming youd actually want a battle tested AR. if you just want something to keep around in case shit happens or a range toy then you can just get any number of AR's for $400-500, half of what colt charges.
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