Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 239: Saudi You Think You Can Dance?

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Jakyl25
09/19/19 2:53:59 PM
#1:


Iran so far away.

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LordoftheMorons
09/19/19 3:52:52 PM
#2:


More on the whistleblower complaint:

https://twitter.com/rgoodlaw/status/1174768361504411651?s=21
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LordoftheMorons
09/19/19 3:57:13 PM
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Guess: the promise was to give military aid to Ukraine in exchange for them doing a baseless investigation into Joe Biden (Trump had a phone call with Ukraines president around that time).
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xp1337
09/19/19 4:02:46 PM
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Is that really repeated action though as that tweet describes? I suppose it could be behind the scenes, but that strikes me as a singular event and not repeated efforts.

My guess is still on Russia if only because you have the combo platter of known stuff happening around that time: frozen Ukraine aid/Crimea, the exfiltration story dropping in this timeframe, sanctions in general to say nothing of things that may have been happening that we have no info on. I feel like statistically there's the most stuff there so you're bound to be more likely to be right in that direction. And as noted, there was a phone call that more or less matches the whistleblower timeframe there.
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Jakyl25
09/19/19 5:13:02 PM
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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1174696521914339328?s=21

....Knowing all of this, is anybody dumb enough to believe that I would say something inappropriate with a foreign leader while on such a potentially heavily populated call. I would only do what is right anyway, and only do good for the USA!


Is this a trick question?

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Reg
09/19/19 5:15:37 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1174696521914339328?s=21

....Knowing all of this, is anybody dumb enough to believe that I would say something inappropriate with a foreign leader while on such a potentially heavily populated call. I would only do what is right anyway, and only do good for the USA!


Is this a trick question?

Donald 100% did not personally write this pair of tweets btw
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Jakyl25
09/19/19 5:18:14 PM
#7:


Does Donald ever call it the USA as the direct object in a sentence? I feel like its always just USA

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GildedFool
09/19/19 6:54:46 PM
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Also, no randomly capitalised words.
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LordoftheMorons
09/19/19 9:38:49 PM
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Aaaand it was Ukraine:

https://twitter.com/gregpmiller/status/1174838923908014081?s=21
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LordoftheMorons
09/19/19 9:55:58 PM
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Anyway, if it is the obvious quid pro quo that Rudy was floating earlier, I dont see how anyone can possibly argue that Trump doesnt need to be impeached.
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LordoftheMorons
09/19/19 9:57:03 PM
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https://twitter.com/cuomoprimetime/status/1174856562898128897?s=21
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xp1337
09/19/19 10:23:32 PM
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We know Guiliani has been trying to get that to happen for weeks (months?) now, though, didn't we? Not saying that makes it "better" but part of the reason I had been leaning Russia over Ukraine on this (whoops!) had been that the Guiliani push on this had been public for a long time now.

Anyway, good call on that LotM.

LordoftheMorons posted...
Anyway, if it is the obvious quid pro quo that Rudy was floating earlier, I dont see how anyone can possibly argue that Trump doesnt need to be impeached.

asking a foreign government to investigate your political opponents is very legal and very cool
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Reg
09/19/19 10:24:21 PM
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LordoftheMorons posted...
Aaaand it was Ukraine:

https://twitter.com/gregpmiller/status/1174838923908014081?s=21

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red sox 777
09/19/19 10:26:11 PM
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Please. Democrats saw nothing wrong with getting dirt on Trump from foreign agents.
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LordoftheMorons
09/19/19 10:27:33 PM
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The fact that Trumps scandals are way less damaging to him when he (or Rudy) just do them openly (e.g. Trump does a lot of his obstruction openly) than they would be if they came out as a secret (Trump tower meeting or Access Hollywood, say) is probably one of the central stories of this era
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Reg
09/19/19 10:33:34 PM
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Relatedly, Trump had his literal "when the president does it, that means it's not illegal" moment today.

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/trump-says-hes-completely-immune-from-the-criminal-process-in-lawsuit-to-keep-tax-returns-secret/
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ChaosTonyV4
09/19/19 10:57:22 PM
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https://twitter.com/krystalball/status/1174486548936568835?s=21

Andrew Yang says he supports Portugal style decriminalization. Fuck yes, lets get this conversation going.
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Jakyl25
09/20/19 12:06:06 AM
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https://twitter.com/rudygiuliani/status/1174879405988077568?s=21

A President telling a Pres-elect of a well known corrupt country he better investigate corruption that affects US is doing his job. Maybe if Obama did that the Biden Family wouldnt have bilked millions from Ukraine and billions from China; being covered up by a Corrupt Media.


Please no one ever tell Rudy what hes doing wrong
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ChaosTonyV4
09/20/19 12:20:26 AM
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Lmao in the comments theyre saying the Trump administration just gave Ukraine the funds either yesterday or a week ago, AFTER the whistleblower complaint.

Did they really get caught red-handed extorting another country, and try to cover it up by not letting the complain get released/giving Ukraine the money?
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xp1337
09/20/19 12:22:35 AM
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I mentioned in the previous topic (albeit I was arguing a different path since we didn't know the country at the time) that the Ukraine aid package had been frozen and was only released the day the existence of the whistleblower complaint made its way to Schiff (House Intel) if you looked at the timeline.
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Jakyl25
09/20/19 12:39:09 AM
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I found the greatest official government statement ever in an article about a Marine using excessive force to break up a fight between two teens

He just wanted to do what was right for the school when no one else was stepping in, said Sgt. Jocelyn Ontiveros at the Marines Sacramento recruiting station, which oversees the substation in Stockton where Valdez Sarmiento is helping out with recruiting while home from boot camp. The Marine Corps doesnt condone violence.


EDIT: Heres what he did BTW

https://twitter.com/chadgarland/status/1172599159309983744?s=21
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ChaosTonyV4
09/20/19 1:13:15 AM
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So I just read an article where Biden publicly threatened to withhold a billion dollars in credit to Ukraine unless they fired the prosecutor directly investigating his son, so uh, Im not sure this is gonna go anywhere.
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LordoftheMorons
09/20/19 1:22:42 AM
#23:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
So I just read an article where Biden publicly threatened to withhold a billion dollars in credit to Ukraine unless they fired the prosecutor directly investigating his son, so uh, Im not sure this is gonna go anywhere.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/may/07/viral-image/fact-checking-joe-biden-hunter-biden-and-ukraine/
Key takeaways
Hunter Biden did hold a directorship for a Ukrainian gas company while his father was vice president. Experts agree that Hunter Biden's acceptance of the position created a conflict of interest for his father.

Vice President Joe Biden did urge Ukraine to fire its top prosecutor, with the threat of withholding U.S. aid. But that was the position of the wider U.S. government, as well as other international institutions.

We found no evidence to support the idea that Joe Biden advocated with his son's interests in mind, as the message suggests. It's not even clear that the company was actively under investigation or that a change in prosecutors benefited it.


And even if there were something to Giuliani's allegations (which there very likely aren't), it would still be an impeachable offense for Trump to abuse his office to strongarm the Ukrainians into helping him prove it.
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GuessMyUserName
09/20/19 2:18:29 AM
#24:


https://twitter.com/JeffreyCook/status/1174885989908484097

No Fucks Beto is best Beto

so glad to see Chuck getting called out for once, god he sucks
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Jakyl25
09/20/19 2:20:36 AM
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Right. Its like the James Comey firing. It can be true that both Comey committed a fireable offense AND that Trump was obstructing justice by firing him for the reasons he did.
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StealThisSheen
09/20/19 2:28:48 AM
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I'll be honest, I'd vote for No Fucks Beto.
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MoogleKupo141
09/20/19 2:29:46 AM
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Beto seems like a cool dude sometimes... I dont really want him to be president now, but Id be cool with him as hypotehtical Warrens VP

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GuessMyUserName
09/20/19 9:19:27 AM
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https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1174866930227994625

end of Rudy on Cuomo last night is equal parts insane and hilarious
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GuessMyUserName
09/20/19 9:50:17 AM
#29:


de Blasio out

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1175031616793694211
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xp1337
09/20/19 10:43:18 AM
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GuessMyUserName posted...
https://twitter.com/JeffreyCook/status/1174885989908484097

No Fucks Beto is best Beto

so glad to see Chuck getting called out for once, god he sucks

Schumer has been a bad Minority Leader and calling him out is great and all and I get it.

but calling him out on this particular issue is a little silly

Schumer sponsored the Brady Bill in the House and wrote the assault weapons ban.
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HeroDelTiempo17
09/20/19 11:01:23 AM
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Then it sounds like Schumer should agree with Beto instead of saying no one does, considering they have significant overlap.

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xp1337
09/20/19 11:04:05 AM
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What Schumer said was stupid, yes! I'm just saying that Beto's comeback was a misfire too! It just doesn't feel that way because there are tons of things to criticize Schumer for but Beto picked like the one area where Schumer actually has a record!
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red sox 777
09/20/19 11:15:37 AM
#33:


Schumer is the most swishy washy flip flopper since Mitt Romney.
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Corrik7
09/20/19 11:32:52 AM
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Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1174696521914339328?s=21

Is this a trick question?
Would he say something inappropriate if it wasn't a potentially highly populated call?

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Jakyl25
09/20/19 11:56:20 AM
#35:


From Trump this morning

Asked if he discussed former vice president Joe Biden with Ukraine's president, Trump said it "doesn't matter what I discussed" but added that someone should look into Biden.


LOL
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LordoftheMorons
09/20/19 12:53:43 PM
#36:


https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1175023772375683074?s=21

Not to discount the heavy possibility of Trump just making shit up, but how would Trump know if the whistleblower was highly partisan unless someone leaked their identity to him?
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red sox 777
09/20/19 12:55:29 PM
#37:


LordoftheMorons posted...
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1175023772375683074?s=21

Not to discount the heavy possibility of Trump just making shit up, but how would Trump know if the whistleblower was highly partisan unless someone leaked their identity to him?


Without even reading it, Trump probably thinks anyone who criticizes him is by definition highly partisan.
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Jakyl25
09/20/19 12:55:58 PM
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Hes on the case. Hell find the clues to piece this all together. Right now he only has some of the info.
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Dancedreamer
09/20/19 1:02:12 PM
#39:


GuessMyUserName posted...
de Blasio out


I feel like it's time for most of them to drop out.

Should be left with:
-Biden
-Warren
-Sanders
-Buttigieg
-Harris
-O'Rourke
-Yang
-Booker
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Suprak the Stud
09/20/19 1:04:20 PM
#40:


GuessMyUserName posted...
de Blasio out

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1175031616793694211


Finally.

What a terribly run campaign from start to finish.
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ChaosTonyV4
09/20/19 1:11:40 PM
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Dancedreamer posted...
GuessMyUserName posted...
de Blasio out


I feel like it's time for most of them to drop out.

Should be left with:
-Biden
-Warren
-Sanders
-Buttigieg
-Harris
-O'Rourke
-Yang
-Booker


Slice Booker and Beto off this list as well.
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Grimlyn
09/20/19 1:23:38 PM
#42:


tbh boot off Harris before Beto

Harris is drowning (and has been for months) while Beto's finally doing some good
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LordoftheMorons
09/20/19 2:22:28 PM
#43:


Booker has a role (back up for Bidens lane if he falls apart)
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LordoftheMorons
09/20/19 2:24:37 PM
#44:


Impeachable offenses are actually fine and good
https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1175056391041499136?s=21
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Espeon
09/20/19 2:28:30 PM
#45:


Is it just me, or is his logic:

Joe Biden was using back channels to talk to Ukraine for alleged personal gain, which hes saying is BAD.

So then he used back channels to talk to Ukraine for alleged personal gain.
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Not_an_Owl
09/20/19 3:02:38 PM
#46:


Point of order: There is no legal definition of an "impeachable offense". There are only things the House will vote to impeach over. You can point to a certain action and say that person ought to be impeached over it, but to call something "impeachable" is disingenuous.
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LordoftheMorons
09/20/19 3:09:35 PM
#47:


The Constitution does specifically list treason and bribery as impeachable offenses...!
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red sox 777
09/20/19 3:11:25 PM
#48:


Yes, but treason is limited to warring against the United States or providing aid and comfort to their enemies. Bribery would be more like what Biden is accused of doing. Trump's actions here would be more akin to working with law enforcement in other countries to bring an international criminal cartel to justice.
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Jakyl25
09/20/19 3:54:02 PM
#49:


https://twitter.com/markberman/status/1175131347716845573?s=21

WSJ reporting that during July phone call, Trump repeatedly urged the president of Ukraine -- "about eight times" -- to work with Giuliani to investigate Biden's son

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Not_an_Owl
09/20/19 4:38:01 PM
#50:


LordoftheMorons posted...
The Constitution does specifically list treason and bribery as impeachable offenses...!

True, and if you can prove Trump committed treason or bribery to the satisfaction of a court of law you might even have a point!
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