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TroutPaste
09/16/19 5:50:21 PM
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"In my view, and in the view of my music theorist father who went to music school, there are three elements to music. There is harmony, there is melody and there is rhythm. Rap only fulfills one of these, the rhythm section. There's not a lot of melody and there's not a lot of harmony. And thus, effectively, it is basically spoken rhythm. It's not actually a form of music. It's a form of rhythmic speaking. Thus, beyond the objectivity of me just not enjoying rap all that much, what I've said before is that rap is not music."

What a bullshitter lol. This is something a teenager would have said in the old days of internet . I thought we were past this pubescent contrarianism

https://www.complex.com/music/2019/09/political-commentator-ben-shapiro-saying-rap-isnt-music
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Correct_Facts
09/16/19 5:50:53 PM
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I mean, he's not wrong.
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TroutPaste
09/16/19 5:51:12 PM
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Correct_Facts posted...
I mean, he's not wrong.


yes he is, though
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evil_zombie11
09/16/19 5:51:58 PM
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Jedi Mind Tricks is art tbh
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jborgan
09/16/19 5:53:17 PM
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I hate that I thought this when I was younger. It's a really easy way to find out if someone's musical opinions can be disregarded.
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masterpug53
09/16/19 5:53:51 PM
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Correct_Facts posted...
I mean, he's not wrong.


But he's so hilariously wrong about most things that it's an easy assumption to make. Especially since he's wrong in this case too.
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Tyranthraxus
09/16/19 5:55:04 PM
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Correct_Facts posted...
I mean, he's not wrong.


Yes he is.

In fact you can literally listen to rap music without the vocals.

(Original remix)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZnO54HHshs" data-time="


(Instrumental)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHKmzqcWI0g" data-time="


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pauIie
09/16/19 5:58:50 PM
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Correct_Facts posted...
I mean, he's not wrong.

the user name does not, in fact, check out
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Freddie_Mercury
09/16/19 6:00:31 PM
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ben "my favorite rapper is lil dicky" shapiro
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ledbowman
09/16/19 6:00:49 PM
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TroutPaste posted...
there are three elements to music. There is harmony, there is melody and there is rhythm.

Lol what a fucking dumb ass
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sLaCkEr408___RJ
09/16/19 6:00:51 PM
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Correct_Facts posted...
I mean, he's not wrong.
In the classical sense, yes.

Music can evolve tho. And rapping is like a special instrument.
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ledbowman
09/16/19 6:02:06 PM
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TIL just drums isn't music
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Evening_Dragon
09/16/19 6:02:22 PM
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He didn't listen to his father very well, then, because if he did, he'd know what he's saying is just flat out wrong.

This is one of the more egregious racebaits I've seen.
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ledbowman
09/16/19 6:02:42 PM
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He thinks rap doesn't have melody lol!
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TroutPaste
09/16/19 6:04:18 PM
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ledbowman posted...
He thinks rap doesn't have melody lol!


yeah that's completely wrong lmao
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Machete
09/16/19 6:04:22 PM
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Lol. "In my opinion and in the opinion of my dad who owns a dealership..."

Ben shapiro should should be imprisoned for life.

Omfg I just read the whole thing. That is bullshit. No music theorist who went to music school would make such a claim. Mozart must not be music either and must be lower than rap because rap at least has lyrics. He's basically saying it's not music because it's not "singing"
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Smashingpmkns
09/16/19 6:04:58 PM
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Stuff racists say
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Intro2Logic
09/16/19 6:05:21 PM
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It's been more than 10 years since he wrote this:

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2009/03/29/rap-is-crap/
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legendary_zell
09/16/19 6:06:26 PM
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This is the quality of the rest of his opinions as well.

This is the best the right can do for "public intellectuals"

Not surprising as there's no conservative held out as an interlectual who hasn't said approximately 1 trillion dumb things.
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ledbowman
09/16/19 6:07:36 PM
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Here's more of his musical analysis

https://twitter.com/means_tv/status/1172489478432333825?s=19
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KillerKhan420
09/16/19 6:08:09 PM
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Nope it isn't, and alot of the music today is garbage. If I want to listen to my ganstas I'll put on some Beethoven or Bach. They used to put on some rowdy rowdy shows dawg, women twerkin and gurkin all ova dat pianer. Was like souf central in da hood G. All over da place.
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knutjob
09/16/19 6:08:53 PM
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Load of semantic nonsense
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TroutPaste
09/16/19 6:09:42 PM
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ultimate reaver
09/16/19 6:10:29 PM
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ben shapiro looks like the kind of guy who played fallout 3 and now listens exlusively to 50s crooners while telling everyone no, he always loved that sort of music, really, seriously

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FighterStreet2
09/16/19 6:11:03 PM
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ledbowman posted...
He thinks rap doesn't have melody lol!

Rap doesnt have melody. There are melodies IN rap songs when they arent rapping

Rapping itself is not music. neither are lyrics nor the meanings behind those lyrics.

At some point you have to ask your 'what exactly is music'. If you are having a conversation with someone is that music?

I think most would say no.

Now is rapping legitimate art? Yea. But it's closer to conversation.

If you cant play something on an instrument, it's not music.
Playing a rap song on the piano would amount to hitting same key over and over to a beat
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ledbowman
09/16/19 6:12:04 PM
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FighterStreet2 posted...
ledbowman posted...
He thinks rap doesn't have melody lol!

Rap doesnt have melody. There are melodies IN rap songs when they arent rapping

Rapping itself is not music. neither are lyrics nor the meanings behind those lyrics.

At some point you have to ask your 'what exactly is music'. If you are having a conversation with someone is that music?

I think most would say no.

Now is rapping legitimate art? Yea. But it's closer to conversation.

If you cant play something on an instrument, it's not music.
Playing a rap song on the piano would amount to hitting same key over and over to a beat

K
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Evening_Dragon
09/16/19 6:12:46 PM
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How can you be -so- wrong? Don't you at least consider what you type, or is it a form of incontinence?
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masterpug53
09/16/19 6:12:50 PM
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ultimate reaver posted...
ben shapiro looks like the kind of guy who played fallout 3 and now listens exlusively to 50s crooners while telling everyone no, he always loved that sort of music, really, seriously


He'd also be the last person to realize that none of Fallout 3's soundtrack was recorded past the mid-40's.
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pauIie
09/16/19 6:13:51 PM
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KillerKhan420 posted...
Nope it isn't, and alot of the music today is garbage. If I want to listen to my ganstas I'll put on some Beethoven or Bach. They used to put on some rowdy rowdy shows dawg, women twerkin and gurkin all ova dat pianer. Was like souf central in da hood G. All over da place.

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DeadSite
09/16/19 6:14:26 PM
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knutjob
09/16/19 6:14:31 PM
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FighterStreet2 posted...
Rap doesnt have melody. There are melodies IN rap songs when they arent rapping

Rapping itself is not music. neither are lyrics nor the meanings behind those lyrics.

At some point you have to ask your 'what exactly is music'. If you are having a conversation with someone is that music?

I think most would say no.

Now is rapping legitimate art? Yea. But it's closer to conversation.

If you cant play something on an instrument, it's not music.
Playing a rap song on the piano would amount to hitting same key over and over to a beat


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8Di5C82-5s" data-time="

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DeadSite
09/16/19 6:15:52 PM
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knutjob posted...
FighterStreet2 posted...
Rap doesnt have melody. There are melodies IN rap songs when they arent rapping

Rapping itself is not music. neither are lyrics nor the meanings behind those lyrics.

At some point you have to ask your 'what exactly is music'. If you are having a conversation with someone is that music?

I think most would say no.

Now is rapping legitimate art? Yea. But it's closer to conversation.

If you cant play something on an instrument, it's not music.
Playing a rap song on the piano would amount to hitting same key over and over to a beat


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8Di5C82-5s" data-time="


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl6EomECg2Q" data-time="

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Umbreon
09/16/19 6:16:14 PM
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I have no respect for Ben, but even I expected a better quality of "flame bait" from him. This is the "trolling" equivalent of a fart joke.

He really fell hard after he couldn't pick on inexperienced college students.
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Antifar
09/16/19 6:16:16 PM
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TroutPaste posted...
KillerKhan420 posted...

what

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FarFromFields
09/16/19 6:18:50 PM
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Rapping doesn't usually have melody and harmony by itself. But as a genre it almost always does. You'd have to look pretty hard to find a song with absolutely no melody or harmony. This take is like criticizing drummers because they can't incorporate melody and harmony into their playing.
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hockeybub89
09/16/19 6:20:43 PM
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Does this mean Walk on the Wild Side isn't music?

and lol instrumental hip-hop is a thing, not to mention all kinds of wacky experimental shit
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untrustful
09/16/19 6:22:17 PM
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Ben took on the violin or whatever, how the hell does he have this opinion with a musical education behind him? It's like the education went in one ear and out the other. Or more likely he's peddling some political bs that his followers can latch on to and spread like the plague. Of all musical genres that exist on this planet, rap is being singled out as not having something it most definitely has, and we all know why this empty claim is being made.

I have to wonder if he doesn't count jazz as music since it doesn't follow "traditional" rules.

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ColdOne666
09/16/19 6:23:41 PM
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Correct_Facts posted...
I mean, he's not wrong.

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Evening_Dragon
09/16/19 6:24:50 PM
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ColdOne666 posted...
Correct_Facts posted...
I mean, he's not wrong.


Add that to your sig of terrible statements, it fits.
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Zodd3224
09/16/19 6:36:42 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Stuff racists say

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Monota
09/16/19 6:42:57 PM
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100% fact
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TroutPaste
09/16/19 6:44:59 PM
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Bishop9800
09/16/19 6:45:40 PM
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KillerKhan420 posted...
Nope it isn't, and alot of the music today is garbage. If I want to listen to my ganstas I'll put on some Beethoven or Bach. They used to put on some rowdy rowdy shows dawg, women twerkin and gurkin all ova dat pianer. Was like souf central in da hood G. All over da place.

QQvIMBL
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hockeybub89
09/16/19 6:46:15 PM
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Monota posted...
100% fact

This is like saying games you don't like don't qualify as video games
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Smashingpmkns
09/16/19 6:53:06 PM
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Is this considered music?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wClwaBuFOJA" data-time="


Can't whistle this either.
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Machete
09/16/19 6:54:35 PM
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fenderbender321 posted...
I mean, this debate is like debating if cheerleading is a sport. It's categorization does not change it's substance, so the debate is only worth a bit of mental masturbation.


What are you saying exactly? I don't get the connection.
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hockeybub89
09/16/19 6:55:15 PM
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fenderbender321 posted...
I mean, this debate is like debating if cheerleading is a sport. It's categorization does not change it's substance, so the debate is only worth a bit of mental masturbation.

I think cheerleading is pasta
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