Current Events > Apex Legends developers calls its customers ''dicks'' ''asshats'' and ''freeload

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https://medium.com/@BenjaminWareing/apex-legends-developers-spark-outrage-c110034fe236

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Big OOF
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Wow wow wow

Regardless of whether it's warranted or unwarranted, I'll never get why these studios allow these people to post public opinions relating to the games. It's never good, even if it's a case of fans being dumbasses.

Yeah but hes right though, gamers these days are toxic thats all about me me me and have no clue how hard game development is

https://miro.medium.com/max/2100/1*[email protected]
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This is exhibit A about how not to treat your customers.
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SaccharineSmile posted...

Yeah but hes right though, gamers these days are toxic thats all about me me me and have no clue how hard game development is

https://miro.medium.com/max/2100/1*[email protected]

You should see the reply to that. Dude roasted him.

Found it:
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Well that's one way to kill your game. Sounds like this tool needs to be working for EA. I am also of the age where I remember when things were different, but we live in a new era now.
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Get em fired like that dumb ho from what was it ESO or Guild Wars 2

SaccharineSmile posted...

Yeah but hes right though, gamers these days are toxic thats all about me me me and have no clue how hard game development is

https://miro.medium.com/max/2100/1*[email protected]

Regardless of how true it is, developers should never do that. It creates bad blood and the playerbase will likely drop.
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SaccharineSmile posted...

Yeah but hes right though, gamers these days are toxic thats all about me me me and have no clue how hard game development is

https://miro.medium.com/max/2100/1*[email protected]

well i would say i remember when we would pay 50-60 bucks for a game and it was complete, mostly bug free and made with excellence.

but no, his game has 10-35 dollar cosmetic items so he can fuck off.
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Just pull a Trump, dig in until they love ya

Totally unprofessional but I appreciate it on a deep professional level

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Banjo2553 posted...

SaccharineSmile posted...

Yeah but hes right though, gamers these days are toxic thats all about me me me and have no clue how hard game development is

https://miro.medium.com/max/2100/1*[email protected]

Regardless of how true it is, developers should never do that. It creates bad blood and the playerbase will likely drop.

I took a peak at the apex reddit page and holy shit its embarrassing what gamers complain about - it immature and wont solve anything

Its embarrassing to be a gamer theses days
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SaccharineSmile posted...

I took a peak at the apex reddit page and holy shit its embarrassing what gamers complain about - it immature and wont solve anything

Its embarrassing to be a gamer theses days

True, I agree with that.

My statement still stands though, Apex Legends is probably gonna be dead in a few short months after this.
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TheBlueMonk_ posted...

SaccharineSmile posted...

Yeah but hes right though, gamers these days are toxic thats all about me me me and have no clue how hard game development is

https://miro.medium.com/max/2100/1*[email protected]

well i would say i remember when we would pay 50-60 bucks for a game and it was complete, mostly bug free and made with excellence.

but no, his game has 10-35 dollar cosmetic items so he can fuck off.

1) gamers arent forced to by cosmetic

2) without mtx or dlcs the video game industry will go bust

Game development is way too expensive to sustain without mtx or dlcs

Its fact and at the end of the day the internet or reddit only represents 10% of gamers

The other 90% dont give a shit and buy mtx and dlcs
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lmao okay

you're on the ignore list.
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I get why they are pissed off.

It's a free to play game. They have to monetize in some way, otherwise they cannot really make the game better.

Part of the reason Fortnite can innovate so quickly (beyond putting their team in crunch at all times) is the fact the game makes SHIT TONS of money. That money can get funneled back into development.

Apex gets shit on for not having enough new content, but then when they try to monetize COMPLETELY COSMETIC SHIT to get more money to make improvements, they get shit on too?
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SaccharineSmile posted...

1) gamers arent forced to by cosmetic

2) without mtx or dlcs the video game industry will go bust

Game development is way too expensive to sustain without mtx or dlcs

Its fact and at the end of the day the internet or reddit only represents 10% of gamers

The other 90% dont give a shit and buy mtx and dlcs

I do fully agree a F2P game needs mtx and lootboxes since they can't make money otherwise (though I don't know the validity of needing it in other games), but a way to get people to spend money is to have attractive prices. Fortnite probably set a bad example on overpriced cosmetics, but buying a weapon skin shouldn't cost like $30. That's actually gonna get fewer people to buy it.
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Vyrulisse posted...

You should see the reply to that. Dude roasted him.

Found it:

DAMMMMMNNNNNN

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This is an example of a corporation that stops loving money and wants to go out of business.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

I get why they are pissed off.

It's a free to play game. They have to monetize in some way, otherwise they cannot really make the game better.

Part of the reason Fortnite can innovate so quickly (beyond putting their team in crunch at all times) is the fact the game makes SHIT TONS of money. That money can get funneled back into development.

Apex gets shit on for not having enough new content, but then when they try to monetize COMPLETELY COSMETIC SHIT to get more money to make improvements, they get shit on too?

They release underwhelming battle passes that you have to grind the shit out of to get anything even remotely decent from, and then vastly overcharge for cosmetics, that's why people are pissed off.

This was always a problem with this game; you either had to get lucky with the sparse amount of apex crates the game gives you for free (the game literally hardcaps the amount you can get, once you hit 100 you can't get anymore without a battle pass or buying them), or spend a buttload of money on the featured content in the store, which you can only buy for a limited time. They charge $18 for a legendary skin you can't even see. If you want the alt for that skin when it shows up in the store, you have to own the skin first. So you have to buy the first skin if you don't own it already (you probably don't because of the rationing of loot boxes), then spend a ton of legend tokens (in-game currency you earn on level-up to buy legends) to get the alt skin.

It sucks that they choose to be so greedy with the MTX. The game is really fun and I'd like to support it. But it's really not worth dumping so much money into the game for some you want.

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SaccharineSmile posted...

TheBlueMonk_ posted...

SaccharineSmile posted...

Yeah but hes right though, gamers these days are toxic thats all about me me me and have no clue how hard game development is

https://miro.medium.com/max/2100/1*[email protected]

well i would say i remember when we would pay 50-60 bucks for a game and it was complete, mostly bug free and made with excellence.

but no, his game has 10-35 dollar cosmetic items so he can fuck off.

1) gamers arent forced to by cosmetic

2) without mtx or dlcs the video game industry will go bust

Game development is way too expensive to sustain without mtx or dlcs

Its fact and at the end of the day the internet or reddit only represents 10% of gamers

The other 90% dont give a shit and buy mtx and dlcs

Sooo... should I point by point refute this? Or can I just point to Namco Bandai, CD Project Red, even Sega and others as to why this is flat out wrong?

Its crazy to me people actually believe the this is unsustainable without X. Then its time for you to fail if you cant evolve to the market and instead expect customers to change to you. Thats ass backwards.
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He isn't wrong but should know enough not to do it.
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SaccharineSmile posted...

TheBlueMonk_ posted...

SaccharineSmile posted...

Yeah but hes right though, gamers these days are toxic thats all about me me me and have no clue how hard game development is

https://miro.medium.com/max/2100/1*[email protected]

well i would say i remember when we would pay 50-60 bucks for a game and it was complete, mostly bug free and made with excellence.

but no, his game has 10-35 dollar cosmetic items so he can fuck off.

1) gamers arent forced to by cosmetic

2) without mtx or dlcs the video game industry will go bust

Game development is way too expensive to sustain without mtx or dlcs

Its fact and at the end of the day the internet or reddit only represents 10% of gamers

The other 90% dont give a shit and buy mtx and dlcs

The Iron Crown event drew masses of criticism across social media and within the subreddit with users ridiculing Respawn and Electronic Arts, the games publisher, for over-monetising and prioritising money by exploiting players with overpriced in-game items. An in-game item for the event, the Heirloom Axe, costs over 130 in microtransactions according to Metro.

I personally support MTX in games, I've purchased cosmetics in MMOs and for games like Rocket League.

But $130 is too much.
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Gaming culture took a nosedive in the 2000s and is now extremely toxic and entitled. At the same time, no developer is perfect and their business depends on the support of customers so you never ever handle it this way.
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Gamers only seem more toxic because the level of bullshit developers and Publishers stoop to to get more money out of its population. Remember all the aggression out of online passes? That seems almost quaint now. People are by and large tired of all the recurrent monetization schemes.

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Alucard188 posted...

Gamers only seem more toxic because the level of bullshit developers and Publishers stoop to to get more money out of its population. Remember all the aggression out of online passes? That seems almost quaint now. People are by and large tired of all the recurrent monetization schemes.

While there's definitely some truth to this concerning negativity, I don't think that's the only reason at all. A vocal minority of gamers blow a gasket at the mere mention of minorities or women in or around gaming. Games are described as either Game of the Year or trash. There's a huge problem with rampant abuse towards other players and towards developers, and it's considered either justified or a joke, depending on the moment.

But calling your customers assholes isn't gonna make the abuse decrease. It's gonna lead to coordinated boycotts and harassment campaigns.
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Alucard188 posted...

Gamers only seem more toxic because the level of bullshit developers and Publishers stoop to to get more money out of its population. Remember all the aggression out of online passes? That seems almost quaint now. People are by and large tired of all the recurrent monetization schemes.

Damn, I forgot online passes were a thing.
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SauI_Goodman posted...

Well that's one way to kill your game. Sounds like this tool needs to be working for EA. I am also of the age where I remember when things were different, but we live in a new era now.

Honestly the game was dead after season 1. The ninja launch was amazing and resulted in a meme experience, but they weren't really able to capitalize on the hype.

They were like dogs chasing a car--wouldn't know what to do with one if they caught it.

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Banjo2553 posted...

Alucard188 posted...

Gamers only seem more toxic because the level of bullshit developers and Publishers stoop to to get more money out of its population. Remember all the aggression out of online passes? That seems almost quaint now. People are by and large tired of all the recurrent monetization schemes.

Damn, I forgot online passes were a thing.

Some still exist, but they actually provide season content, and are worthwhile after years on the market. They used to be mandatory to use the online portions of games, and to also combat loss of revenue from used game sales(to which no one has provided proof this is even a real concept. Cmon major publishers: show me your evidence here), if that was even measurable to implement such an egregious feature.
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Theyre so stupid.
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The funny thing about this is that people were giving Apex a pass on their loot boxes until they just jacked up the priced for a limit time sale. So it wasn't even like something you can save up and get one ox ever month or so.
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And they wonder why their shitty ass game isn't lighting the world on fire.
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Most developers probably speak about gamers like this like any other business talks about their customers in private.

But you never actually talk to customers like this. How idiotic.

Epic will be happy about this lol.
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Vyrulisse posted...

SaccharineSmile posted...

Yeah but hes right though, gamers these days are toxic thats all about me me me and have no clue how hard game development is

https://miro.medium.com/max/2100/1*[email protected]

You should see the reply to that. Dude roasted him.

Found it:

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Anyone whos worked a job where you deal with customers have done the same
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nemu posted...

Regardless of whether it's warranted or unwarranted, I'll never get why these studios allow these people to post public opinions relating to the games. It's never good, even if it's a case of fans being dumbasses.

And they almost always get fired over it, which they should see coming a mile away.

Developers of a free to play game who implemented predatory microtransactions shows no respect for its customers. This is a shocking development. So shocking

I'm pretty sure one of the two people is a lead developer. It would be a clusterfuck if EA fired him.
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Axiom posted...

Developers of a free to play game who implemented predatory microtransactions shows no respect for its customers. This is a shocking development. So shocking

Yeah, Apex is pretty much the epitome of a cash grab.

- EA
- Free-to-play microtransaction model
- Trendy hot-right-now genre
- Created by redirecting all work and repurposing assets from a previous in-development AAA game

Chicken posted...

Anyone whos worked a job where you deal with customers have done the same

yes. in private.

in private
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SaccharineSmile posted...

TheBlueMonk_ posted...

SaccharineSmile posted...

Yeah but hes right though, gamers these days are toxic thats all about me me me and have no clue how hard game development is

https://miro.medium.com/max/2100/1*[email protected]

well i would say i remember when we would pay 50-60 bucks for a game and it was complete, mostly bug free and made with excellence.

but no, his game has 10-35 dollar cosmetic items so he can fuck off.

1) gamers arent forced to by cosmetic

Whether you're "forced too" or not the fact games are designed with it in mind has a huge effect on the games themselves.

Developers no longer focus on making a game good, they focus on developing games that use psychological tricks and paywalls to trick players into forking over more money for a game they already paid for.

Proof in the pudding of this when the same developers themselves claim "Oh no, you can unlock this for free. IT's just for people who don't have time and want a different experience!" who then go dead silent when you mention cheat codes supplying that function for free for 30 years.

2) without mtx or dlcs the video game industry will go bust

Game development is way too expensive to sustain without mtx or dlcs

Also false and we have this from the horses mouth. Several gaming companies have flat out said to their investors that the money they make from DLCs and microtranactions are gravy. They wouldn't risk making the games if this wasn't true.

The only games that require DLC and Microtranctions to exist are Free 2 Play games that follow the mobile gaming model. And they probably shouldn't exist.

Its fact

Saying "Its fact" afterwards doesn't make a lie accurate.

and at the end of the day the internet or reddit only represents 10% of gamers

The other 90% dont give a shit and buy mtx and dlcs

Which is one of the reasons why they are complaining and you're angry at them for it.

I don't agree with your logic of "It's wrong to have opinions on things if a lot of people don't care" that seems very childish.

I actually feel the complete opposite of the way you do. I think people should be more critical of the gaming industry, not less. Gaming companies are routinely doing weird and immoral shit that they get a pass on because the media doesn't look at them.

Following that up by being angry at the people pointing out the immorality... just seems like madness to me.

I mean we're literally talking about selling gambling to children and you're angry not at the people who are doing it but the people who are upset by it....

Anywhere else but the games industry would consider that madness.
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This game was the closest f2p game to ever challenge fortnite and they fucking fumbled it.

I still play this game regularly but the loot system/skin system is utter garbage I dont get anything but the season pass.
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lmao
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It does sound like the cosmetic system is total trash but to be fair there wasn't really a free to play shooter like this before microtransactions either. Most people who play the game have spent less than they would under a traditional release.

But there are plenty of other successful free to play games out there and it seems like maybe Apex Legends is a disappointment in this area. I don't bother with these games so I don't really know how it compares to the competition.
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This is why the future is multiple forms of "Monetization"
F2P doesn't work by itself in many cases
Monthly Subscriptions won't always work
Buy Once also won't work.

You need to combine all the options and have different benefits from going each route and let the customer choose what they want.
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