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Antifar
08/18/19 10:15:03 AM
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https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/18/bernie-sanders-criminal-justice-overhaul-proposal-1466995

Bernie Sanders, who was criticized by liberal activists in 2016 for not focusing more on racial injustice, is unveiling a sweeping plan on Sunday aimed at slashing the countrys prison population in half and ridding the criminal justice system of "institutional racism and corporate profiteering."

The ambitious, nearly 6,000-word proposal seeks to overhaul the nations prisons, police departments, courts, drug laws and treatment of mentally ill people with a full-throated progressive agenda. Sanders left-wing allies have argued that he has "evolved" in recent years on the issue of criminal justice.

The plan calls for banning cash bail, solitary confinement and civil asset forfeiture, which allows law enforcement officials to seize peoples homes and other property even if they are not convicted of a crime. It also looks to legalize marijuana and abolish the death penalty, a practice that Sanders has long opposed.

The Vermont senator would legalize "safe injection sites" where people can use illegal drugs under medical supervision, a controversial practice that has been shown in several studies to curb overdose deaths.

Sanders' proposal promises that any time a police officer kills a civilian, his Attorney General will conduct an investigation. He would also establish a "Prisoner Bill of Rights," create a civilian corps of unarmed first responders to deal with mental health emergencies, and boost funding for public defenders.

The proposal comes as Sanders is making a two-day swing through South Carolina, the first state in the nation where African-Americans cast a majority of votes in the primary. Former Vice President Joe Biden has dominated the Southern state in recent surveys, with Sanders typically polling behind him in a distant second.

Sanders campaign said he will outline his new criminal justice plan in a speech this afternoon at a town hall in the Greenview neighborhood of Columbia.

"If we stand together, we can eliminate private prisons and detention centers. No more profiteering from locking people up," Sanders is expected to say, according to a copy of his planned remarks. "If we stand together, we can end the disastrous War on Drugs. If we stand together, we can end cash bail. No more keeping people in jail because theyre too poor. If we stand together, we can enact real police department reform and prosecute police brutality."

Many of Sanders proposals would require the passage of legislation as well as cooperation with local and state governments. His plan lays out a series of carrots and sticks aimed at cajoling officials into adopting his strategies: For instance, he says he would withhold federal funding from states that utilize cash bail and give grants to those that reduce their pretrial detention populations.

Sanders has praised Philadelphia District Attorney Larry Krasner, one of the most progressive and controversial prosecutors in the nation, for his decision to stop seeking bail for low-level offenses. Krasner and Sanders appeared together at a criminal justice round-table in 2018.

Sanders has criticized mass incarceration for decades, and in 2016, he promised to end private prisons.

His new plan is likely to draw criticism from police unions. One of his recommendations is to establish a list of "disreputable" federal law enforcement officials who cannot be called to testify in court so "testimony from untrustworthy sources does not lead to criminal convictions." He also wants to ban facial recognition software in policing as well as put a moratorium on the utilization of algorithmic risk assessment tools.

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scorpion41
08/18/19 10:21:48 AM
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So basically he wants to protect criminals and demonize law enforcement. Im not surprised...

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AdamGaseFace
08/18/19 10:22:09 AM
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Bernie's America gives prisoners and illegal immigrants the same rights as everyone else though.
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tennisdude818
08/18/19 10:26:56 AM
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The safe injection sites should be as close to where politicians like Bernie live as possible. Preferably next door.
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Antifar
08/18/19 10:28:20 AM
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tennisdude818 posted...
The safe injection sites should be as close to where politicians like Bernie live as possible. Preferably next door.

Safe injection sites are entirely fine, dude
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J E S U S
08/18/19 11:08:56 AM
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Antifar posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
The safe injection sites should be as close to where politicians like Bernie live as possible. Preferably next door.

Safe injection sites are entirely fine, dude

I understand the rationale behind them but I cant support tax dollars funding centers to help people do heroin
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justaguy3492
08/18/19 11:12:37 AM
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J E S U S posted...
Antifar posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
The safe injection sites should be as close to where politicians like Bernie live as possible. Preferably next door.

Safe injection sites are entirely fine, dude

I understand the rationale behind them but I cant support tax dollars funding centers to help people do heroin


Don't know for sure, but I'd guess that safe injection sites are cheaper than ems services used by addicts.
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voldothegr8
08/18/19 11:18:08 AM
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justaguy3492 posted...
J E S U S posted...
Antifar posted...
tennisdude818 posted...
The safe injection sites should be as close to where politicians like Bernie live as possible. Preferably next door.

Safe injection sites are entirely fine, dude

I understand the rationale behind them but I cant support tax dollars funding centers to help people do heroin


Don't know for sure, but I'd guess that safe injection sites are cheaper than ems services used by addicts.

Maybe if every single junkie switched, but a good amount of them won't use such a service so the EMTs will still be going out.
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Hop103
08/18/19 11:27:05 AM
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Cash bail is only needed for the most heinous of crimes, it should just be abolished for most drug and non-violent crimes though and also death penalty needs to stay too many evil people in the US to abolish it.
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hockeybub89
08/18/19 11:31:23 AM
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Garioshi
08/18/19 11:32:54 AM
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hockeybub89 posted...
This is the real good shit. I support all of it.



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hyperpowder
08/18/19 11:45:01 AM
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Antifar posted...
civil asset forfeiture


This should have been done away with

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Antifar
08/18/19 11:47:33 AM
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Hop103 posted...
also death penalty needs to stay too many evil people in the US to abolish it.

I don't think the US has particularly more evil people than elsewhere.
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CommonStar
08/18/19 11:51:52 AM
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This is all good stuff. I'm glad he is planning to ban cash bail and ending the war on drugs. I do hope he changes his mind eventually plan to legalize but regulate all drugs like cocaine and heroin, not just marijuana.
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY
08/18/19 11:56:34 AM
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I strongly disagree with getting rid of the death penalty and I am fully against safe injection sites.

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Antifar
08/18/19 11:58:10 AM
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...
I strongly disagree with getting rid of the death penalty and I am fully against safe injection sites.

Why
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Nanaimo-Bar
08/18/19 12:50:14 PM
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J E S U S posted...
I understand the rationale behind them but I cant support tax dollars funding centers to help people do heroin

Under MFA, they're cheaper than allowing people to be rushed to the hospital when they OD or treating them for years when they get HIV from sharing needles.
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY
08/18/19 12:57:45 PM
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Antifar posted...
RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...
I strongly disagree with getting rid of the death penalty and I am fully against safe injection sites.

Why

Some people need to die, not everyone can be reformed, I do not support drug users who are making tax payers pay more for these safe injection sites.
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Damn_Underscore
08/18/19 12:59:01 PM
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I strongly disagree with allowing prisoners to vote.

Once their sentence is over and they have done their time? Absolutely they should be able to vote. If you disagree with that then you admit that America's prison system fails at rehabilitating prisoners or you're just sadistic and think that criminals should never be forgiven.

But while they are in prison, in probation, etc.? They shouldn't be able to vote.
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Smashingpmkns
08/18/19 1:00:25 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
I strongly disagree with allowing prisoners to vote.

Once their sentence is over and they have done their time? Absolutely they should be able to vote. If you disagree with that then you admit that America's prison system fails at rehabilitating prisoners or you're just sadistic and think that criminals should never be forgiven.

But while they are in prison, in probation, etc.? They shouldn't be able to vote.


Why shouldn't they be able to vote while in prison?
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NinjaWarrior455
08/18/19 1:01:07 PM
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...
Some people need to die.

Yikes
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Swagger_Dagger
08/18/19 1:04:23 PM
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Look at all those promises. Warren's plans are more achievable
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY
08/18/19 1:05:42 PM
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@NinjaWarrior455

You clearly must not know about some of these spree killers or child butchers who have zero remorse or empathy.

Consider yourself lucky to not see or know about these horrors.
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Damn_Underscore
08/18/19 1:10:12 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
I strongly disagree with allowing prisoners to vote.

Once their sentence is over and they have done their time? Absolutely they should be able to vote. If you disagree with that then you admit that America's prison system fails at rehabilitating prisoners or you're just sadistic and think that criminals should never be forgiven.

But while they are in prison, in probation, etc.? They shouldn't be able to vote.


Why shouldn't they be able to vote while in prison?


Because by being in prison, they have shown that they aren't fit to be in regular society until they are rehabilitated (for people who have life sentences with no parole, that is decided as never.)

Argue all you want about unfair laws or the 1% of prisoners who are actually innocent, but that doesn't mean that the millions of prisoners who are actually guilty should have any affect on the law until they are fully rehabilitated (or at least until they fulfill their sentences, because that's the most we can hope for). Instead, we should change those unfair laws, make sure there are as few innocent people as possible in prison, and improve the ability of prisons to actually rehabilitate prisoners.
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ElatedVenusaur
08/18/19 1:17:59 PM
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I saw this earlier, and its pretty great!
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CommonStar
08/18/19 1:36:09 PM
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Another thing missing and I think they should address is decriminalizing sex work and repealing SESTA.
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ElatedVenusaur
08/18/19 5:45:38 PM
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CommonStar posted...
Another thing missing and I think they should address is decriminalizing sex work and repealing SESTA.

Definitely.
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ultimate reaver
08/18/19 5:49:06 PM
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if Riku the Mighty feels some people need to die, they should die. Power is power...

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RoboLaserGandhi
08/18/19 5:57:03 PM
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Antifar posted...
Bernie Sanders, who was criticized by liberal activists in 2016 for not focusing more on racial injustice

That's pretty ridiculous.

Seems that all anyone can think about is race. Everyone's been whipped up into a frenzy to think that race is the biggest issue in the country. Sanders focused on actual, tangible changes to the quality of life of the populace (though I disagree with his methods), and there is a massive looming issue ahead with the increase in foreign power (Chinese economic and Russian military). But race. That's what we're all squabbling about. And it's so easy to get us riled up about it too. There's no way that isn't being exploited by foreign adversaries, directly or indirectly.
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LightningAce11
08/18/19 6:00:25 PM
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America should adopt Norway's prison system, but americans lump everyone who has been in jail, from jaywalkers to murderers as the same thing, and they're obsessed with revenge and forcing prisoners to work for free so they can turn a profit.
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Damn_Underscore
08/18/19 6:04:24 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
I strongly disagree with allowing prisoners to vote.

Once their sentence is over and they have done their time? Absolutely they should be able to vote. If you disagree with that then you admit that America's prison system fails at rehabilitating prisoners or you're just sadistic and think that criminals should never be forgiven.

But while they are in prison, in probation, etc.? They shouldn't be able to vote.

I agree with the other stuff though. One question about safe injection sites, do they help addicts to stop using drugs or do they just let people use drugs no questions asked?


Because by being in prison, they have shown that they aren't fit to be in regular society until they are rehabilitated (for people who have life sentences with no parole, that is decided as never.)

Argue all you want about unfair laws or the 1% of prisoners who are actually innocent, but that doesn't mean that the millions of prisoners who are actually guilty should have any affect on the law until they are fully rehabilitated (or at least until they fulfill their sentences, because that's the minimum we can hope for). Instead, we should change those unfair laws, make sure there are as few innocent people as possible in prison, and improve the ability of prisons to actually rehabilitate prisoners.

Edit: Deleted post above because too late to edit.
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Damn_Underscore
08/18/19 6:05:23 PM
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Oops, I deleted the wrong post above. Here is what I originally said:

I strongly disagree with allowing prisoners to vote.

Once their sentence is over and they have done their time? Absolutely they should be able to vote. If you disagree with that then you admit that America's prison system fails at rehabilitating prisoners or you're just sadistic and think that criminals should never be forgiven.

But while they are in prison, in probation, etc.? They shouldn't be able to vote.
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legendary_zell
08/18/19 6:11:53 PM
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...
Antifar posted...
Bernie Sanders, who was criticized by liberal activists in 2016 for not focusing more on racial injustice

That's pretty ridiculous.

Seems that all anyone can think about is race. Everyone's been whipped up into a frenzy to think that race is the biggest issue in the country. Sanders focused on actual, tangible changes to the quality of life of the populace (though I disagree with his methods), and there is a massive looming issue ahead with the increase in foreign power (Chinese economic and Russian military). But race. That's what we're all squabbling about. And it's so easy to get us riled up about it too. There's no way that isn't being exploited by foreign adversaries, directly or indirectly.


Race is pretty goddamn important in American life and history. It's something that we've fought a war over, we have at least 3 constitutional amendments about it, it helps determine where people live, where they go to school, who they vote for, what church they go to, etc. This idea that it's a side issue or that it's separate from economics and other "real issues" is simply inaccurate and you're gonna be left scratching your head when you can't solve a lot of those issues because you ignored the huge, glaring racial component.
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Giblet_Enjoyer
08/18/19 6:26:05 PM
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...
That's pretty ridiculous.

Seems that all anyone can think about is race.

You ever been on Twitter? Some people's -ONLY- political concern is "How create more social amenities for People of Color??"
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RoboLaserGandhi
08/18/19 6:28:44 PM
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legendary_zell posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
Antifar posted...
Bernie Sanders, who was criticized by liberal activists in 2016 for not focusing more on racial injustice

That's pretty ridiculous.

Seems that all anyone can think about is race. Everyone's been whipped up into a frenzy to think that race is the biggest issue in the country. Sanders focused on actual, tangible changes to the quality of life of the populace (though I disagree with his methods), and there is a massive looming issue ahead with the increase in foreign power (Chinese economic and Russian military). But race. That's what we're all squabbling about. And it's so easy to get us riled up about it too. There's no way that isn't being exploited by foreign adversaries, directly or indirectly.


Race is pretty goddamn important in American life and history. It's something that we've fought a war over, we have at least 3 constitutional amendments about it, it helps determine where people live, where they go to school, who they vote for, what church they go to, etc. This idea that it's a side issue or that it's separate from economics and other "real issues" is simply inaccurate and you're gonna be left scratching your head when you can't solve a lot of those issues because you ignored the huge, glaring racial component.

Almost all of the issues of race come down to economics, which Sanders' plans would have addressed.

But most people see race as a huge voting issue not because of some higher educational insight, but because of tribalism and social media. Minority races see themselves as being beholden to a single party who "at least isn't against me" and there's a prominent miasma of white guilt amongst young people who simply don't have the willpower to reconcile the past actions of white people without turning completely self-defeatist. It's all one massive pile of nothing but moral posturing.
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Antifar
08/18/19 6:30:47 PM
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...
There's no way that isn't being exploited by foreign adversaries, directly or indirect

This is so dumb, dude. If you are so worried about our divisions being exploited by foreign adversaries, it is vital that work be done to address them.

You end up looking this silly otherwise:
tlqOMhz
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RoboLaserGandhi
08/18/19 6:41:30 PM
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Antifar posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
There's no way that isn't being exploited by foreign adversaries, directly or indirect

This is so dumb, dude. If you are so worried about our divisions being exploited by foreign adversaries, it is vital that work be done to address them.

You end up looking this silly otherwise:
tlqOMhz

That looks silly partly because of hindsight. MLK became a massive historical figure. Any time you look at doubters and skeptics of the past it's going to have that effect.

And I don't think there actually IS any work to be done. What the hell else were we supposed to do after the civil rights era besides stopping individual discrimination? There's only so much you can do before you get into things like affirmative action. Everyone these days has latched on to what is essentially a revival of civil rights era rhetoric hamfistedly applied to much less significant issues.
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legendary_zell
08/18/19 6:48:29 PM
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...
Antifar posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
There's no way that isn't being exploited by foreign adversaries, directly or indirect

This is so dumb, dude. If you are so worried about our divisions being exploited by foreign adversaries, it is vital that work be done to address them.

You end up looking this silly otherwise:
tlqOMhz

That looks silly partly because of hindsight. MLK became a massive historical figure. Any time you look at doubters and skeptics of the past it's going to have that effect.

And I don't think there actually IS any work to be done. What the hell else were we supposed to do after the civil rights era besides stopping individual discrimination? There's only so much you can do before you get into things like affirmative action. Everyone these days has latched on to what is essentially a revival of civil rights era rhetoric hamfistedly applied to much less significant issues.


This is one of the worst posts I've seen on any forum that didn't dip into blatant racism. We could already tell you thought racism was solved in the 60s, but thanks for being the first to say it out loud.
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Antifar
08/18/19 6:50:23 PM
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...
That looks silly partly because of hindsight. MLK became a massive historical figure.

This magazine cover was three years prior: http://content.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19570218,00.html

RoboLaserGandhi posted...
And I don't think there actually IS any work to be done.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/racial-wealth-gap-costs-economy-1-5-trillion-dollars-report-finds/

The typical white family in America has 10 times the wealth of a typical black familya figure that has barely changed in two decades and has actually widened in the current economic expansion.


RoboLaserGandhi posted...
What the hell else were we supposed to do after the civil rights era besides stopping individual discrimination?

Not the War on Drugs would have been one place to start.
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smoliske
08/18/19 7:41:21 PM
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...
Antifar posted...
RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...





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RoboLaserGandhi
08/18/19 7:44:31 PM
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Antifar posted...
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/racial-wealth-gap-costs-economy-1-5-trillion-dollars-report-finds/

The typical white family in America has 10 times the wealth of a typical black familya figure that has barely changed in two decades and has actually widened in the current economic expansion.


And what are you supposed to do about it? It's a wound from the effects of slavery and there's literally nothing you can do other than sweeping socialism across the board. Unless you want to destabilize society with things like legislated preferred treatment.

Antifar posted...
Not the War on Drugs would have been one place to start

I will give you that. War on Drugs + private prisons is a hell of a combo.
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ZMythos
08/18/19 7:46:33 PM
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Bernie is so intelligent. Great ideas. We need real criminal justice reform and we need to abolish a lot of the inherent racism in the system.
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smoliske
08/18/19 7:47:55 PM
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and while this will win him votes it won't win him the primary
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Antifar
08/18/19 7:51:22 PM
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...
And what are you supposed to do about it? It's a wound from the effects of slavery and there's literally nothing you can do other than sweeping socialism across the board.

Well,
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RoboLaserGandhi
08/18/19 7:59:05 PM
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Antifar posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
And what are you supposed to do about it? It's a wound from the effects of slavery and there's literally nothing you can do other than sweeping socialism across the board.

Well,

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E32005
08/18/19 8:11:32 PM
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scorpion41 posted...
So basically he wants to protect criminals and demonize law enforcement. Im not surprised...

damn, bro. learn to read.
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closetjpopfan
08/20/19 5:05:23 PM
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I don't think any sentence with the words Bernie, overhauling and system could be bad.

And yes, criminal justice system in particular is really badly screwed up.
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