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Antifar 08/18/19 10:15:03 AM #1: |
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/18/bernie-sanders-criminal-justice-overhaul-proposal-1466995
Bernie Sanders, who was criticized by liberal activists in 2016 for not focusing more on racial injustice, is unveiling a sweeping plan on Sunday aimed at slashing the countrys prison population in half and ridding the criminal justice system of "institutional racism and corporate profiteering." --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scorpion41 08/18/19 10:21:48 AM #3: |
So basically he wants to protect criminals and demonize law enforcement. Im not surprised...
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AdamGaseFace 08/18/19 10:22:09 AM #4: |
Bernie's America gives prisoners and illegal immigrants the same rights as everyone else though.
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tennisdude818 08/18/19 10:26:56 AM #5: |
The safe injection sites should be as close to where politicians like Bernie live as possible. Preferably next door.
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Antifar 08/18/19 10:28:20 AM #6: |
tennisdude818 posted...
The safe injection sites should be as close to where politicians like Bernie live as possible. Preferably next door. Safe injection sites are entirely fine, dude --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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J E S U S 08/18/19 11:08:56 AM #7: |
Antifar posted...
tennisdude818 posted...The safe injection sites should be as close to where politicians like Bernie live as possible. Preferably next door. I understand the rationale behind them but I cant support tax dollars funding centers to help people do heroin --- *imaginary* ... Copied to Clipboard!
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justaguy3492 08/18/19 11:12:37 AM #8: |
J E S U S posted...
Antifar posted...tennisdude818 posted...The safe injection sites should be as close to where politicians like Bernie live as possible. Preferably next door. Don't know for sure, but I'd guess that safe injection sites are cheaper than ems services used by addicts. --- Gt: justaguy3492 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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voldothegr8 08/18/19 11:18:08 AM #9: |
justaguy3492 posted...
J E S U S posted...Antifar posted...tennisdude818 posted...The safe injection sites should be as close to where politicians like Bernie live as possible. Preferably next door. Maybe if every single junkie switched, but a good amount of them won't use such a service so the EMTs will still be going out. --- Oda break tracker 2019- 5 (4) | THE Ohio State: 0-0 | Oakland Raiders: 0-0 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hop103 08/18/19 11:27:05 AM #10: |
Cash bail is only needed for the most heinous of crimes, it should just be abolished for most drug and non-violent crimes though and also death penalty needs to stay too many evil people in the US to abolish it.
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hockeybub89 08/18/19 11:31:23 AM #11: |
This is the real good shit. I support all of it.
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Garioshi 08/18/19 11:32:54 AM #12: |
hockeybub89 posted...
This is the real good shit. I support all of it. --- "I play with myself" - Darklit_Minuet, 2018 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hyperpowder 08/18/19 11:45:01 AM #13: |
Antifar posted...
civil asset forfeiture This should have been done away with --- Whoever beats my score I will give them a $10 PSN or Live card: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpiorAx40GY ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 08/18/19 11:47:33 AM #14: |
Hop103 posted...
also death penalty needs to stay too many evil people in the US to abolish it. I don't think the US has particularly more evil people than elsewhere. --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CommonStar 08/18/19 11:51:52 AM #15: |
This is all good stuff. I'm glad he is planning to ban cash bail and ending the war on drugs. I do hope he changes his mind eventually plan to legalize but regulate all drugs like cocaine and heroin, not just marijuana.
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY 08/18/19 11:56:34 AM #16: |
I strongly disagree with getting rid of the death penalty and I am fully against safe injection sites.
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Antifar 08/18/19 11:58:10 AM #17: |
RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...
I strongly disagree with getting rid of the death penalty and I am fully against safe injection sites. Why --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nanaimo-Bar 08/18/19 12:50:14 PM #18: |
J E S U S posted...
I understand the rationale behind them but I cant support tax dollars funding centers to help people do heroin Under MFA, they're cheaper than allowing people to be rushed to the hospital when they OD or treating them for years when they get HIV from sharing needles. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY 08/18/19 12:57:45 PM #19: |
Antifar posted...
RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...I strongly disagree with getting rid of the death penalty and I am fully against safe injection sites. Some people need to die, not everyone can be reformed, I do not support drug users who are making tax payers pay more for these safe injection sites. --- doa-plus.com - We Press Forward. . . By Pressing Back. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Damn_Underscore 08/18/19 12:59:01 PM #21: |
I strongly disagree with allowing prisoners to vote.
Once their sentence is over and they have done their time? Absolutely they should be able to vote. If you disagree with that then you admit that America's prison system fails at rehabilitating prisoners or you're just sadistic and think that criminals should never be forgiven. But while they are in prison, in probation, etc.? They shouldn't be able to vote. --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Smashingpmkns 08/18/19 1:00:25 PM #22: |
Damn_Underscore posted...
I strongly disagree with allowing prisoners to vote. Why shouldn't they be able to vote while in prison? --- Clean Butt Crew ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NinjaWarrior455 08/18/19 1:01:07 PM #23: |
RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...
Some people need to die. Yikes --- Super Bowl 52 Champions!!!! http://myanimelist.net/animelist/NinjaWarrior457 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Swagger_Dagger 08/18/19 1:04:23 PM #24: |
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY 08/18/19 1:05:42 PM #25: |
@NinjaWarrior455
You clearly must not know about some of these spree killers or child butchers who have zero remorse or empathy. Consider yourself lucky to not see or know about these horrors. --- doa-plus.com - We Press Forward. . . By Pressing Back. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Damn_Underscore 08/18/19 1:10:12 PM #26: |
Smashingpmkns posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...I strongly disagree with allowing prisoners to vote. Because by being in prison, they have shown that they aren't fit to be in regular society until they are rehabilitated (for people who have life sentences with no parole, that is decided as never.) Argue all you want about unfair laws or the 1% of prisoners who are actually innocent, but that doesn't mean that the millions of prisoners who are actually guilty should have any affect on the law until they are fully rehabilitated (or at least until they fulfill their sentences, because that's the most we can hope for). Instead, we should change those unfair laws, make sure there are as few innocent people as possible in prison, and improve the ability of prisons to actually rehabilitate prisoners. --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ElatedVenusaur 08/18/19 1:17:59 PM #27: |
I saw this earlier, and its pretty great!
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CommonStar 08/18/19 1:36:09 PM #28: |
Another thing missing and I think they should address is decriminalizing sex work and repealing SESTA.
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ElatedVenusaur 08/18/19 5:45:38 PM #29: |
CommonStar posted...
Another thing missing and I think they should address is decriminalizing sex work and repealing SESTA. Definitely. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ultimate reaver 08/18/19 5:49:06 PM #30: |
if Riku the Mighty feels some people need to die, they should die. Power is power...
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RoboLaserGandhi 08/18/19 5:57:03 PM #31: |
Antifar posted...
Bernie Sanders, who was criticized by liberal activists in 2016 for not focusing more on racial injustice That's pretty ridiculous. Seems that all anyone can think about is race. Everyone's been whipped up into a frenzy to think that race is the biggest issue in the country. Sanders focused on actual, tangible changes to the quality of life of the populace (though I disagree with his methods), and there is a massive looming issue ahead with the increase in foreign power (Chinese economic and Russian military). But race. That's what we're all squabbling about. And it's so easy to get us riled up about it too. There's no way that isn't being exploited by foreign adversaries, directly or indirectly. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightningAce11 08/18/19 6:00:25 PM #32: |
America should adopt Norway's prison system, but americans lump everyone who has been in jail, from jaywalkers to murderers as the same thing, and they're obsessed with revenge and forcing prisoners to work for free so they can turn a profit.
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Damn_Underscore 08/18/19 6:04:24 PM #33: |
Damn_Underscore posted...
I strongly disagree with allowing prisoners to vote. Because by being in prison, they have shown that they aren't fit to be in regular society until they are rehabilitated (for people who have life sentences with no parole, that is decided as never.) Argue all you want about unfair laws or the 1% of prisoners who are actually innocent, but that doesn't mean that the millions of prisoners who are actually guilty should have any affect on the law until they are fully rehabilitated (or at least until they fulfill their sentences, because that's the minimum we can hope for). Instead, we should change those unfair laws, make sure there are as few innocent people as possible in prison, and improve the ability of prisons to actually rehabilitate prisoners. Edit: Deleted post above because too late to edit. --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Damn_Underscore 08/18/19 6:05:23 PM #34: |
Oops, I deleted the wrong post above. Here is what I originally said:
I strongly disagree with allowing prisoners to vote. Once their sentence is over and they have done their time? Absolutely they should be able to vote. If you disagree with that then you admit that America's prison system fails at rehabilitating prisoners or you're just sadistic and think that criminals should never be forgiven. But while they are in prison, in probation, etc.? They shouldn't be able to vote. --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time ... Copied to Clipboard!
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legendary_zell 08/18/19 6:11:53 PM #36: |
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
Antifar posted...Bernie Sanders, who was criticized by liberal activists in 2016 for not focusing more on racial injustice Race is pretty goddamn important in American life and history. It's something that we've fought a war over, we have at least 3 constitutional amendments about it, it helps determine where people live, where they go to school, who they vote for, what church they go to, etc. This idea that it's a side issue or that it's separate from economics and other "real issues" is simply inaccurate and you're gonna be left scratching your head when you can't solve a lot of those issues because you ignored the huge, glaring racial component. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Giblet_Enjoyer 08/18/19 6:26:05 PM #37: |
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
That's pretty ridiculous. You ever been on Twitter? Some people's -ONLY- political concern is "How create more social amenities for People of Color??" --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RoboLaserGandhi 08/18/19 6:28:44 PM #38: |
legendary_zell posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...Antifar posted...Bernie Sanders, who was criticized by liberal activists in 2016 for not focusing more on racial injustice Almost all of the issues of race come down to economics, which Sanders' plans would have addressed. But most people see race as a huge voting issue not because of some higher educational insight, but because of tribalism and social media. Minority races see themselves as being beholden to a single party who "at least isn't against me" and there's a prominent miasma of white guilt amongst young people who simply don't have the willpower to reconcile the past actions of white people without turning completely self-defeatist. It's all one massive pile of nothing but moral posturing. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 08/18/19 6:30:47 PM #39: |
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There's no way that isn't being exploited by foreign adversaries, directly or indirect This is so dumb, dude. If you are so worried about our divisions being exploited by foreign adversaries, it is vital that work be done to address them. You end up looking this silly otherwise: --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RoboLaserGandhi 08/18/19 6:41:30 PM #40: |
Antifar posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...There's no way that isn't being exploited by foreign adversaries, directly or indirect That looks silly partly because of hindsight. MLK became a massive historical figure. Any time you look at doubters and skeptics of the past it's going to have that effect. And I don't think there actually IS any work to be done. What the hell else were we supposed to do after the civil rights era besides stopping individual discrimination? There's only so much you can do before you get into things like affirmative action. Everyone these days has latched on to what is essentially a revival of civil rights era rhetoric hamfistedly applied to much less significant issues. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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legendary_zell 08/18/19 6:48:29 PM #41: |
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
Antifar posted...RoboLaserGandhi posted...There's no way that isn't being exploited by foreign adversaries, directly or indirect This is one of the worst posts I've seen on any forum that didn't dip into blatant racism. We could already tell you thought racism was solved in the 60s, but thanks for being the first to say it out loud. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Antifar 08/18/19 6:50:23 PM #42: |
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
That looks silly partly because of hindsight. MLK became a massive historical figure. This magazine cover was three years prior: http://content.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19570218,00.html RoboLaserGandhi posted... And I don't think there actually IS any work to be done. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/racial-wealth-gap-costs-economy-1-5-trillion-dollars-report-finds/ The typical white family in America has 10 times the wealth of a typical black familya figure that has barely changed in two decades and has actually widened in the current economic expansion. RoboLaserGandhi posted... What the hell else were we supposed to do after the civil rights era besides stopping individual discrimination? Not the War on Drugs would have been one place to start. --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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smoliske 08/18/19 7:41:21 PM #43: |
RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...
Antifar posted...RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted... marked ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RoboLaserGandhi 08/18/19 7:44:31 PM #44: |
Antifar posted...
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/racial-wealth-gap-costs-economy-1-5-trillion-dollars-report-finds/ And what are you supposed to do about it? It's a wound from the effects of slavery and there's literally nothing you can do other than sweeping socialism across the board. Unless you want to destabilize society with things like legislated preferred treatment. Antifar posted... Not the War on Drugs would have been one place to start I will give you that. War on Drugs + private prisons is a hell of a combo. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZMythos 08/18/19 7:46:33 PM #45: |
Bernie is so intelligent. Great ideas. We need real criminal justice reform and we need to abolish a lot of the inherent racism in the system.
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smoliske 08/18/19 7:47:55 PM #46: |
and while this will win him votes it won't win him the primary
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Antifar 08/18/19 7:51:22 PM #47: |
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
And what are you supposed to do about it? It's a wound from the effects of slavery and there's literally nothing you can do other than sweeping socialism across the board. Well, --- kin to all that throbs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RoboLaserGandhi 08/18/19 7:59:05 PM #48: |
Antifar posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...And what are you supposed to do about it? It's a wound from the effects of slavery and there's literally nothing you can do other than sweeping socialism across the board. [Antifaring intensifies] ... Copied to Clipboard!
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E32005 08/18/19 8:11:32 PM #49: |
scorpion41 posted...
So basically he wants to protect criminals and demonize law enforcement. Im not surprised... damn, bro. learn to read. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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closetjpopfan 08/20/19 5:05:23 PM #50: |
I don't think any sentence with the words Bernie, overhauling and system could be bad.
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