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Maze_
08/17/19 11:38:57 PM
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People always talk about Superman vs Goku and stuff.

But what is Krillin turned up during Endgame or a Dr Strange movie via the multiverse?

He's like the strongest human, can fly, fire energy beams, pretty sure he could blow up the entire planet if he wanted too. How would he measure up to Thanos, Hella, Avengers, Mysterio, Yellowjacket etc?
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LockeMonster
08/17/19 11:44:03 PM
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Solos everybody.
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Wedge Antilles
08/17/19 11:44:21 PM
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He'd solo all the Avengers.
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Irony
08/17/19 11:44:32 PM
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He'd beat most of the no power characters
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AlisLandale
08/17/19 11:45:16 PM
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Destructo Disc Thano's hand off faster than he can move those Dudley Dursley fingers to snap.

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RickyTheBAWSE
08/17/19 11:45:34 PM
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everybody not an alien, for the most part. and still, the majority of the aliens.
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apocalyptic_4
08/17/19 11:46:45 PM
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In the MCU? Easily the fastest character
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Gobstoppers12
08/17/19 11:48:22 PM
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Based on speed alone he could beat everybody in the MCU. The only exception thus far being the gauntlet snap.
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KayfabeTactics
08/17/19 11:52:49 PM
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Master Roshi blew up the fucking moon in DragonBall. The DB characters are literately, at the least, a 1,000x more powerful than that now
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Unsugarized_Foo
08/17/19 11:59:05 PM
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He's like Captain Marvel tier but hes pretty easy to game. Iron Man would have his number

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MorbidFaithless
08/18/19 12:13:04 AM
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What is the point of having characters so strong you just have to keep making them stronger and stronger when they can already do everything possible...like...what

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SH_expert44
08/18/19 12:14:58 AM
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KayfabeTactics posted...

Master Roshi blew up the fucking moon in DragonBall. The DB characters are literately, at the least, a 1,000x more powerful than that now

Roshi alone as a 300+ year old man held his own in the tournament of power and wrecked several very powerful fighters.
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Maze_
08/18/19 12:22:10 AM
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AlisLandale posted...
Destructo Disc Thano's hand off faster than he can move those Dudley Dursley fingers to snap.

Always thought it was weird that they begin Infinity War with Dr Strange using a portal to cut a giant powerful villain's hand off.

And then never even mention or address the idea again for Thanos
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AlisLandale
08/18/19 12:44:14 AM
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Maze_ posted...
Always thought it was weird that they begin Infinity War with Dr Strange using a portal to cut a giant powerful villain's hand off.

And then never even mention or address the idea again for Thanos


i think its supposed to be covered by the I saw all these possible timelines but trust me theres only one where we win.

i dunno. Maybe if he did that, Thanos would have come back for round two and things would have been worse.

but its a pretty lame writing mechanic to use that and just have the character say trust me, none of those other ways would work unless youre doing something like, I dunno, a certain magical girl anime where that kind of thing is the point >_>

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Murphiroth
08/18/19 2:00:55 AM
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Maze_ posted...
Always thought it was weird that they begin Infinity War with Dr Strange using a portal to cut a giant powerful villain's hand off.

And then never even mention or address the idea again for Thanos


Strange didn't cut anyone's hand off. Wong did, and Strange didn't see it.

Thanos is more durable than that dude and you can pretty safely assume it wouldn't work on Thanos.

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Killmonger
08/18/19 2:10:56 AM
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A better question is, how would Yamcha fair?
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KayfabeTactics
08/18/19 2:13:35 AM
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Killmonger posted...
A better question is, how would Yamcha fair?


Again, he's stronger than Roshi, who can blow up the moon
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pkmnlord
08/18/19 2:16:15 AM
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Pretty sure even Chiaozu (sp?) could solo a good number of people. DBZ is a much higher league than american comics, and I'm not even a weeb.
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MrNintendo1213
08/18/19 2:17:25 AM
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Murphiroth posted...
Maze_ posted...
Always thought it was weird that they begin Infinity War with Dr Strange using a portal to cut a giant powerful villain's hand off.

And then never even mention or address the idea again for Thanos


Strange didn't cut anyone's hand off. Wong did, and Strange didn't see it.

Thanos is more durable than that dude and you can pretty safely assume it wouldn't work on Thanos.


How exactly would it not work? It wasn't a cutting spell it was a portal. If he closes the portal and his hand is in one place and his arm is in another, his hand isn't gonna just teleport back to his arm. He might be fast enough to pull it out though.

And either way Krillen solos everyone. This isn't the comics, everyone in the movies is super underpowered. Actually now that I think about it Wanda might be able to handle him, but only if she fucked with his brain before he realized they were fighting. Pretty much the stone powered people could beat him if he was completely unaware they were fighting. Like he wouldn't survive the snap. But he could easily get to Thanos before he snapped if he knew what would happen if he didn't. The episodes in the tournament of power are 20 minutes of action that take place over about a minute of actual time. So if it takes Thanos a half a second to snap his fingers, to Krillen it might be like 10 seconds of reaction time.
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MrNintendo1213
08/18/19 2:19:04 AM
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pkmnlord posted...
Pretty sure even Chiaozu (sp?) could solo a good number of people. DBZ is a much higher league than american comics, and I'm not even a weeb.


Nah, not stronger than the comics characters. Mostly just the movies.

He would beat all the street level people obviously but he couldn't handle most of the big DC characters and a lot of the stronger marvel ones. Cosmic characters could beat him pretty easily. Silver Surfer takes him out no problem.
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KayfabeTactics
08/18/19 2:31:56 AM
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MrNintendo1213 posted...
pkmnlord posted...
Pretty sure even Chiaozu (sp?) could solo a good number of people. DBZ is a much higher league than american comics, and I'm not even a weeb.


Nah, not stronger than the comics characters. Mostly just the movies.

He would beat all the street level people obviously but he couldn't handle most of the big DC characters and a lot of the stronger marvel ones. Cosmic characters could beat him pretty easily. Silver Surfer takes him out no problem.


Are you drunk or just forgetting?

Chiaozu can control people
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MrNintendo1213
08/18/19 2:38:52 AM
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KayfabeTactics posted...
MrNintendo1213 posted...
pkmnlord posted...
Pretty sure even Chiaozu (sp?) could solo a good number of people. DBZ is a much higher league than american comics, and I'm not even a weeb.


Nah, not stronger than the comics characters. Mostly just the movies.

He would beat all the street level people obviously but he couldn't handle most of the big DC characters and a lot of the stronger marvel ones. Cosmic characters could beat him pretty easily. Silver Surfer takes him out no problem.


Are you drunk or just forgetting?

Chiaozu can control people


I wasn't talking about specifically Chiaozu, but yes he would get beat by a lot of people. If he can just control anyone wouldn't he just beat all the Dragon Ball villains like that? It wont work on people way stronger than him. Plus there are tons of comic characters with similar powers.
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KayfabeTactics
08/18/19 2:41:13 AM
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MrNintendo1213 posted...
I wasn't talking about specifically Chiaozu, but yes he would get beat by a lot of people. If he can just control anyone wouldn't he just beat all the Dragon Ball villains like that? It wont work on people way stronger than him. Plus there are tons of comic characters with similar powers.


When was the last time you saw Chiaozu? I think he's dead, tbh
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DrizztLink
08/18/19 2:41:35 AM
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MrNintendo1213 posted...
How exactly would it not work? It wasn't a cutting spell it was a portal. If he closes the portal and his hand is in one place and his arm is in another, his hand isn't gonna just teleport back to his arm. He might be fast enough to pull it out though.
Then he gets pissed, murders everyone on the planet, and goes to find his gauntlet.

And suddenly the Endgame fight never happens because Stark is rotting on some planet.

You forget that Thanos was always gonna win that fight. They didn't show up with the forces to do anything but delay.

Unless Strange portal chopped his head off but that's a whole different bag of worms.

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MrNintendo1213
08/18/19 2:42:17 AM
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KayfabeTactics posted...
MrNintendo1213 posted...
I wasn't talking about specifically Chiaozu, but yes he would get beat by a lot of people. If he can just control anyone wouldn't he just beat all the Dragon Ball villains like that? It wont work on people way stronger than him. Plus there are tons of comic characters with similar powers.


When was the last time you saw Chiaozu? I think he's dead, tbh


Nah he isn't dead he is still in Dragon Ball Super chearing everyone on like always.
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MrNintendo1213
08/18/19 2:44:19 AM
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DrizztLink posted...
MrNintendo1213 posted...
How exactly would it not work? It wasn't a cutting spell it was a portal. If he closes the portal and his hand is in one place and his arm is in another, his hand isn't gonna just teleport back to his arm. He might be fast enough to pull it out though.
Then he gets pissed, murders everyone on the planet, and goes to find his gauntlet.

And suddenly the Endgame fight never happens because Stark is rotting on some planet.

You forget that Thanos was always gonna win that fight. They didn't show up with the forces to do anything but delay.

Unless Strange portal chopped his head off but that's a whole different bag of worms.

He could have opened the portal into the reaches of a black hole or some shit you don't know. But anyway the question wasn't if it would win the fight, just that his hand could get cut off it got caught in the portal.
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DrizztLink
08/18/19 2:53:09 AM
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MrNintendo1213 posted...
He could have opened the portal into the reaches of a black hole or some shit you don't know. But anyway the question wasn't if it would win the fight, just that his hand could get cut off it got caught in the portal.
And I answered.

Cut his hand off, everyone dies, no Endgame.

Six million possibilities, that probably covered a few hundred thousand.

Plus he needs to be able to visualize and understand and whatnot to make a portal, Nightcrawler style.

Ain't nobody visualizing and understanding the inside of a black hole.

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Murphiroth
08/18/19 4:49:40 AM
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MrNintendo1213 posted...
He could have opened the portal into the reaches of a black hole or some shit you don't know. But anyway the question wasn't if it would win the fight, just that his hand could get cut off it got caught in the portal.


And then he tries to close it on Thanos' arm and it won't close because he's too durable. That's what I meant. People just assume the portals have infinite cutting power because Wong managed to cut off Black Dwarf's arm.

Or he just auto closes all portals that get near him with the Space Stone.

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MrNintendo1213
08/18/19 4:55:18 AM
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Murphiroth posted...
MrNintendo1213 posted...
He could have opened the portal into the reaches of a black hole or some shit you don't know. But anyway the question wasn't if it would win the fight, just that his hand could get cut off it got caught in the portal.


And then he tries to close it on Thanos' arm and it won't close because he's too durable. That's what I meant. People just assume the portals have infinite cutting power because Wong managed to cut off Black Dwarf's arm.

Or he just auto closes all portals that get near him with the Space Stone.


That really doesn't make any sense. That isn't how durability works. It's not a physical doorway closing. It takes magic to keep it open, once the magic is gone the portal is gone. It doesn't matter how physically tough he is.

But yeah the space stone could solve it. But if the gauntlet hand was already cut off he probably couldn't use it anymore.
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KogaSteelfang
08/18/19 5:00:23 AM
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MrNintendo1213 posted...
Murphiroth posted...
Maze_ posted...
Always thought it was weird that they begin Infinity War with Dr Strange using a portal to cut a giant powerful villain's hand off.

And then never even mention or address the idea again for Thanos


Strange didn't cut anyone's hand off. Wong did, and Strange didn't see it.

Thanos is more durable than that dude and you can pretty safely assume it wouldn't work on Thanos.


How exactly would it not work? It wasn't a cutting spell it was a portal. If he closes the portal and his hand is in one place and his arm is in another, his hand isn't gonna just teleport back to his arm. He might be fast enough to pull it out though.

We just have to assume the space and reality stones would interfere with the portal somehow.
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Maze_
08/18/19 7:03:03 AM
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Murphiroth posted...

Strange didn't cut anyone's hand off. Wong did, and Strange didn't see it.


Well excuuuuuuse me Princess.

Thanos is more durable than that dude and you can pretty safely assume it wouldn't work on Thanos.


I don't get how durability has anything to do with it, they closed a portal on it. If his hand is in India his body is in Phoenix. I dont get how any amount of power can make that fly unless Thanos can regrow limbs.
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pikachupwnage
08/18/19 8:38:36 AM
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MrNintendo1213 posted...
How exactly would it not work? It wasn't a cutting spell it was a portal. If he closes the portal and his hand is in one place and his arm is in another, his hand isn't gonna just teleport back to his arm. He might be fast enough to pull it out though.

And either way Krillen solos everyone. This isn't the comics, everyone in the movies is super underpowered. Actually now that I think about it Wanda might be able to handle him, but only if she fucked with his brain before he realized they were fighting. Pretty much the stone powered people could beat him if he was completely unaware they were fighting. Like he wouldn't survive the snap. But he could easily get to Thanos before he snapped if he knew what would happen if he didn't. The episodes in the tournament of power are 20 minutes of action that take place over about a minute of actual time. So if it takes Thanos a half a second to snap his fingers, to Krillen it might be like 10 seconds of reaction time.


thanos has the space stone.


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Maze_
08/19/19 8:26:40 AM
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So?
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Knowledge_King
08/19/19 5:11:49 PM
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Krillin can't get close to blowing up a planet (not that it'd help him as he'd die too).

Krillin is also not that fast. He's hit by bullets recently and even in Namek, he got hit and cut by some flying rocks.

He's not a particularly strong, good, fast, or durable fighter so he'd be mid tier. He'd struggle with the Scarlet Witch, Loki, Thor, Hulk, Vision, Capt. Marvel, Iron Man, Valkyries, Thanos's etc. and may even struggle with the likes of Ant-Man.
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Bass_X0
08/19/19 5:14:00 PM
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Just powering themselves up causes small earthquakes as the ground breaks up around them.

No MCU character can do that.
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Smashingpmkns
08/19/19 5:19:54 PM
#36:


Gets rekt by Black Widow's thick legs
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08/19/19 5:20:54 PM
#37:


Would Krillin bang Captain Marvel?
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MrNintendo1213
08/19/19 5:31:06 PM
#38:


Knowledge_King posted...
Krillin can't get close to blowing up a planet (not that it'd help him as he'd die too).

Krillin is also not that fast. He's hit by bullets recently and even in Namek, he got hit and cut by some flying rocks.

He's not a particularly strong, good, fast, or durable fighter so he'd be mid tier. He'd struggle with the Scarlet Witch, Loki, Thor, Hulk, Vision, Capt. Marvel, Iron Man, Valkyries, Thanos's etc. and may even struggle with the likes of Ant-Man.


In super they said that just being around for the big fights made all the weaker z fighters stronger. I just watched an episode of dbz kai where Frieza and Goku were fighting pre ssj level, and kirllen and the bunch were super far away at least a mile. The force of Frieza powering up was enough to send bulma completely flying away while Piccolo and Krillen just held fast and stayed in place.

The constant barrage of intense power helps keep them strong even if they aren't fighting the big bads themselves. When he got shot I dont think he had his defense up. When Goku had his defense down a normal ray gun shot right through him. What can and can hurt people though is super inconsistent though so who knows.

But mainly the point stands that before DBZ even started Roshi blew up the moon, and everyone by the end got at least 10s of times stronger than that.

And he is definitely a great fighter. A big portion of his world is obsessed with martial arts, and Krillen is at minimum in the top 3 human fighters. The only one better I can think of would be Tien.

Even in normal Dragon Ball when he was a little kid he fought with Roshi in the World Martial Arts tournament, and was moving so fast no one could even comprehend what he was doing. They went through and explained to the crowd how their fight went, and in the course of a few seconds they managed to fly all around the ring having a drawn out fight where they got tired and decided to rock paper scissors each other at one point.

That alone makes them faster than Quicksilver, and that was him as a little kid.

The movie characters are just so much weaker than the comics. The magic people could take him out if he wasn't ready to fight, or I guess almost anyone could assassinate him in his sleep. But if they are in an arena set to fight he would best anyone besides Vision most likely. Depends on if ki blasts would phase through him. And Scarlet Witch has a good chance. Pretty much you need infinity stone influenced powers to take him down in a real fight.

But Toriyama is a hack(not necessarily a bad thing) so what Dragon Ball characters can and can't do is super inconsistent.
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Maze_
08/19/19 5:31:30 PM
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Bass_X0 posted...
Just powering themselves up causes small earthquakes as the ground breaks up around them.

No MCU character can do that.

Pretty sure Hulk could
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pauIie
08/19/19 5:35:18 PM
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people act like if dbz characters were actually in the mcu, that they would be 1:1 to their source material counterparts lol. they'd get nerfed just like everybody else.
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MrNintendo1213
08/19/19 5:39:12 PM
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pauIie posted...
people act like if dbz characters were actually in the mcu, that they would be 1:1 to their source material counterparts lol. they'd get nerfed just like everybody else.


Well that isn't the question. If he was brought in as a character in an actual movie someone had to write obviously it would be way different. But if they fought as is he would win usually.
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voldothegr8
08/19/19 5:41:19 PM
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He could beat up Cap levels or lower. Maybe Spider Man levels or lower. He doesn't stand a chance against Iron Man, Hulk, or Thor.
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MrNintendo1213
08/19/19 6:26:35 PM
#43:


voldothegr8 posted...
He could beat up Cap levels or lower. Maybe Spider Man levels or lower. He doesn't stand a chance against Iron Man, Hulk, or Thor.


He could beat those 3 easy. What would they even do? Punch him? He is way too fast for them to hit him if he was ready to fight them.
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Knowledge_King
08/19/19 6:56:11 PM
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MrNintendo1213 posted...
And he is definitely a great fighter. A big portion of his world is obsessed with martial arts, and Krillen is at minimum in the top 3 human fighters. The only one better I can think of would be Tien.

Even in normal Dragon Ball when he was a little kid he fought with Roshi in the World Martial Arts tournament, and was moving so fast no one could even comprehend what he was doing. They went through and explained to the crowd how their fight went, and in the course of a few seconds they managed to fly all around the ring having a drawn out fight where they got tired and decided to rock paper scissors each other at one point.

That alone makes them faster than Quicksilver, and that was him as a little kid.


Krillin's pretty bad skillwise. He let a random thug shoot him. Something Black Widow, Falcon, Cap, etc. don't do. He also can' beat anyone stronger than him. Which is like the entire point of martial arts.

That Roshi Dragon Ball feat is mach 2 at best. Which is waaaaay slower than Quicksilver. So wrong there.
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SapphireTech462
08/19/19 6:56:55 PM
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Even at start of DBZ Krillin would own all.
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ButteryMales
08/19/19 7:00:47 PM
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Knowledge_King posted...

MCU characters have plot armor and everyone with a gun has Star Wars Storm Troopers syndrome.
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MarqueeSeries
08/19/19 7:15:11 PM
#47:


Krillin easily dominates everyone in the Avengers without a doubt

Magic users and reality benders are up in the air though

The only thing really holding Krillin back is that he never learned kaio-ken for some stupid reason. That would make the fight with the MCU free as fuck
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Knowledge_King
08/19/19 11:15:20 PM
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ButteryMales posted...
Knowledge_King posted...

MCU characters have plot armor and everyone with a gun has Star Wars Storm Troopers syndrome.


Right. And a random thug doesn't. He's just extra super skilled.
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ButteryMales
08/19/19 11:26:33 PM
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Knowledge_King posted...
ButteryMales posted...
Knowledge_King posted...

MCU characters have plot armor and everyone with a gun has Star Wars Storm Troopers syndrome.


Right. And a random thug doesn't. He's just extra super skilled.

What, I didn't say Thug was skilled. Krillin doesn't need plot armor and the thug is career criminal that doesn't have Storm Trooper syndrome. The thug was also lucky.

No point talking to you. You'll say Krillin isn't a planet buster because he's smart enough to know he'll suffocate in space.
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RickyTheBAWSE
08/19/19 11:27:39 PM
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ButteryMales posted...
Knowledge_King posted...
ButteryMales posted...
Knowledge_King posted...

MCU characters have plot armor and everyone with a gun has Star Wars Storm Troopers syndrome.


Right. And a random thug doesn't. He's just extra super skilled.

What, I didn't say Thug was skilled. Krillin doesn't need plot armor and the thug is career criminal that doesn't have Storm Trooper syndrome. The thug was also lucky.

No point talking to you. You'll say Krillin isn't a planet buster because he's smart enough to know he'll suffocate in space.


lolololol
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