Poll of the Day > Trump apparently wants to buy Greenland

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First reported by the Wall Street Journal. Apparently he's talked about it a lot lately and no one's quite gotten through to him how stupid an idea it is. Greenland apparently felt obligated to make a statement that the country isn't on the market right now.

The President of the United States, ladies and gentlemen.
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darkknight109 posted...

First reported by the Wall Street Journal. Apparently he's talked about it a lot lately and no one's quite gotten through to him how stupid an idea it is. Greenland apparently felt obligated to make a statement that the country isn't on the market right now.

The President of the United States, ladies and gentlemen.

Do you mean buy, as in add to his personal collection, or... like, patriate into the US?
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Lokarin posted...

darkknight109 posted...

First reported by the Wall Street Journal. Apparently he's talked about it a lot lately and no one's quite gotten through to him how stupid an idea it is. Greenland apparently felt obligated to make a statement that the country isn't on the market right now.

The President of the United States, ladies and gentlemen.

Do you mean buy, as in add to his personal collection, or... like, patriate into the US?

The latter.
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I believe in him I hope he does it

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darkknight109 posted...

Lokarin posted...

darkknight109 posted...

First reported by the Wall Street Journal. Apparently he's talked about it a lot lately and no one's quite gotten through to him how stupid an idea it is. Greenland apparently felt obligated to make a statement that the country isn't on the market right now.

The President of the United States, ladies and gentlemen.

Do you mean buy, as in add to his personal collection, or... like, patriate into the US?

The latter.

Hmmm... I feel this would be a threatening geopolitical location, but there's very little good ground for military bases.

Greenland is often used as an example for climate change, so buying it would let you cover it up
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Reading an article this is the second time he US has tried. First time was in like 1946

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Someone explain to me why it's a bad idea
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joemodda posted...

Someone explain to me why it's a bad idea

Its a giant ice cube. Due to climate change, itll be gone in 50 years.
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he probably wants to make sure he has ice for his coke, ok?
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joemodda posted...

Someone explain to me why it's a bad idea

For one thing it isnt for sale and would likely cost trillions to buy it from the Danes.

The upside is that its believed that Greenland is incredibly resource rich.

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The US already has exclusive military use of Greenland I believe. If you look it up, there are quite a lot of countries out there, Palau is another one I know of, that pretty much has given up control of their borders to the US military.

joemodda posted...

Someone explain to me why it's a bad idea

1. At a time when the deficit is ballooning due to Trump's tax cuts and the economy is showing signs of heading into recession, dropping trillions on a chunk of land, plus however many billions you'd have to spend to switch everything on the island over to the American system (American post office, American government, American electoral system, so on and so forth) isn't particularly sound fiscal policy.

2. More importantly, you can't just *buy* a country, what the fuck. Greenland is already in slow-motion breakaway from Denmark, they're probably not too keen on suddenly getting a different colonial overlord put in place.
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The Popo posted...

joemodda posted...

Someone explain to me why it's a bad idea

Its a giant ice cube. Due to climate change, itll be gone in 50 years.

There's a lot of ground underneath the ice sheet.


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captpackrat posted...

The Popo posted...

joemodda posted...

Someone explain to me why it's a bad idea

Its a giant ice cube. Due to climate change, itll be gone in 50 years.

There's a lot of ground underneath the ice sheet.

Wait... Doesn't that kind of look like Mordor?


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Zangulus posted...

captpackrat posted...

captpackrat posted...

Wait... Doesn't that kind of look like Mordor?

Well, I mean, you definitely cant just walk there.

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joemodda posted...

Someone explain to me why it's a bad idea

Its not. People made fun of the Alaska purchase when it happened. Cold, snow/Ice blanket, what good is that? The purchase of Greenland would add many resources for the future of the United States. You have to spend money to make money.

However, Denmark has said it is open for business, but not for sale.
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Trump himself confirmed it today.

You know, this really feels like one of those "Maybe it's time for Grandpa to move into the nursing home" moments...
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At least he could still spend his days yelling at windmills

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Hey TC I used to post with you on the Spider-Man & Venom: Maximum Carnage board back in '08 lol

darkknight109 posted...

Trump himself confirmed it today.

You know, this really feels like one of those "Maybe it's time for Grandpa to move into the nursing home" moments...

Only if you ignore the US's history of trying to buy Greenland.

https://time.com/5653894/trump-greenland-history/

And apparently it wasn't just Truman after it, either

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/18/politics/us-buy-greenland-danish-prime-minister/index.html
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Sajaa posted...

Hey TC I used to post with you on the Spider-Man & Venom: Maximum Carnage board back in '08 lol

No, you definitely didn't, because I've literally never posted on that board.

I'm assuming you have me confused with someone else.

Zeus posted...

Only if you ignore the US's history of trying to buy Greenland.

Yes, because a decision made 70+ years ago at the height of the Cold War when the US was going through an unprecedented economic boom are totally a good comparison to modern times.

Zeus posted...

And apparently it wasn't just Truman after it, either

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/18/politics/us-buy-greenland-danish-prime-minister/index.html

I agree, that article headline pretty much sums it up.
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darkknight109 posted...

Zeus posted...

Only if you ignore the US's history of trying to buy Greenland.

Yes, because a decision made 70+ years ago at the height of the Cold War when the US was going through an unprecedented economic boom are totally a good comparison to modern times.

It's a great comparison in the sense that the idea is nothing new or novel, as you seem to pretend. Clearly it's not so much a "OMG! Crazy Trump idea!" as it is a matter of the US having long-recognized the strategic value of having Greenland (again, going back to at least 1867) and, as such, makes it pretty damn likely that the idea was considered by other administrations. Otherwise the offer was made in 1946 which wasn't "the height of the Cold War," it would have been right at the beginning of the conflict or possibly even predating it. Of course, given how often you've criticized Russia, it's more than a little weird that you choose now to fail to acknowledge the conditions between the West and Russia.
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Zeus posted...

Otherwise the offer was made in 1946 which wasn't "the height of the Cold War," it would have been right at the beginning of the conflict or possibly even predating it.

Man, your history knowledge is pretty shaky.

Soviet/US relations had already been souring sharply long before WW2 ended, and the division of Germany (and the US's frantic attempts to keep the Soviets out of Japan, which may or may not have included the decision to drop the atomic bombs) only highlight that point. The US was strongly anti-communist before WW2 had even began (Hitler was a darling of some elements of the American right for being the most effective anti-leftist/anti-communist that Europe had) and those sentiments didn't fade during the war.

Whether or not it was officially titled such, the Cold War was absolutely in full swing by the time the war ended. The Americans just decided to make it official in '46.

Zeus posted...

It's a great comparison in the sense that the idea is nothing new or novel, as you seem to pretend.

When did I say it was new or novel?

Zeus posted...

Clearly it's not so much a "OMG! Crazy Trump idea!" as it is a matter of the US having long-recognized the strategic value of having Greenland

It would be strategically beneficial for the US to own Australia, Japan, Britain, and the entirety of South America. That doesn't mean it wouldn't be batshit crazy for Trump to try and buy those things too.

Zeus posted...

and, as such, makes it pretty damn likely that the idea was considered by other administrations.

He says without offering a scrap of evidence to back up his claim.

So I'll counter with my own unfounded claim - I'm pretty sure that if any other administrations did float this fever dream of an idea, they probably had people in charge smart enough to recognize it was a complete non-starter of an idea, given that countries these days aren't typically in the habit of just selling off large chunks of their own territory.
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Zeus once again talking down to others while simultaneously proving he doesnt know what hes talking about

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The Popo posted...

joemodda posted...

Someone explain to me why it's a bad idea

Its a giant ice cube. Due to climate change, itll be gone in 50 years.

Greenland isn't just a giant floating piece of ice...

Mead posted...

Zeus once again talking down to others while simultaneously proving he doesnt know what hes talking about

i blame his high school, he can't make friends with different world views, ok?
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The U.S. has wanted to buy Greenland since about 1900.

There were internal talks about it as late as 1990

Forget about Greenland. Buy Hong Kong and Taiwan!

And maybe North Korea if he's being especially bold.

When we bought Alaska from Russia we didn't buy their whole country, we just bought Alaska. Mr. Trump doesn't need to buy all of Greenland, just a nice state size chunk of it.
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That fucking idiot threw a fit that he got told no and decided to delay his visit lmao

darkknight109 posted...

Man, your history knowledge is pretty shaky.

Soviet/US relations had already been souring sharply long before WW2 ended, and the division of Germany (and the US's frantic attempts to keep the Soviets out of Japan, which may or may not have included the decision to drop the atomic bombs) only highlight that point. The US was strongly anti-communist before WW2 had even began (Hitler was a darling of some elements of the American right for being the most effective anti-leftist/anti-communist that Europe had) and those sentiments didn't fade during the war.

Whether or not it was officially titled such, the Cold War was absolutely in full swing by the time the war ended. The Americans just decided to make it official in '46.

Long before WWII ended? You mean merely a few years earlier? >_> And you have no footing judging anybody's history if you think 1946 is the "height of the Cold War." It's clearly not by any reasonable metric.

darkknight109 posted...

When did I say it was new or novel?

Yet you certainly act like it is. Doubly so since every previous time it "wasn't for sale" either and, generally speaking, you don't just put things like that on the market. It's more a matter of an offer coming in.

darkknight109 posted...

It would be strategically beneficial for the US to own Australia, Japan, Britain, and the entirety of South America. That doesn't mean it wouldn't be batshit crazy for Trump to try and buy those things too.

Because Australia, Britain, Japan, etc, are *exactly* like Greenland? Nice geopolitical knowledge there, bud.

darkknight109 posted...

He says without offering a scrap of evidence to back up his claim.

The fact that we know at least TWO prior administrations floated the idea (and, well, did a bit more than that, apparently) makes it pretty damn likely that others did as well. And, as a general rule, governments tend to consider strategic land purchases.

Mead posted...

Zeus once again talking down to others while simultaneously proving he doesnt know what hes talking about

Mead once again offers nothing to a discussion except his trolling.

Playsaver posted...

When we bought Alaska from Russia we didn't buy their whole country, we just bought Alaska. Mr. Trump doesn't need to buy all of Greenland, just a nice state size chunk of it.

Greenland is part of Denmark. It's not an independent nation.
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Broken_Zeus posted...

And you have no footing judging anybody's history if you think 1946 is the "height of the Cold War." It's clearly not by any reasonable metric.

You do understand that "height" does not mean "apex", right? Like, I'm not going to have to explain this to you in painstaking detail, am I? Because this fits an annoying habit of you picking the most miniscule thing you can to quibble about so you don't have to address the larger argument.

Broken_Zeus posted...

Yet you certainly act like it is.

Where did I act like it is?

You're projecting again. You should stop doing that.

Broken_Zeus posted...

Doubly so since every previous time it "wasn't for sale" either

If you think the main problem with this is that it "isn't for sale", you don't seem to have read any of my posts, because I don't even bring that up as an argument (about the closest I get is my statement in the OP that Greenland made an announcement that the country isn't for sale which - and I'm surprised I have to explain this - is not the same thing as me saying that the country isn't for sale).

Broken_Zeus posted...

Because Australia, Britain, Japan, etc, are *exactly* like Greenland?

Never said they were - you really didn't read my posts, did you?

Your argument was that this wasn't a complete clusterfuck of an idea because Greenland is "strategically valuable". My point is that more territory is virtually always strategically valuable and that is *not* the main issue here. The main issue is that Trump is dumb enough that he thinks Denmark will sell him a semi-autonomous piece of their country that is trending towards independence and that he's doing it as the US economy is crippled by a ballooning deficit (thanks to his tax cuts) and looks like it's shuddering towards recession.

And the "strategic value" point rings pretty hollow when you remember this is the same administration that denies that Russia had any role in interfering in the 2016 election (because Vladimir Putin super double-pinky swore that it didn't), despite every foreign intelligence organization the US has, and a bevvy of foreign ones too, all stating otherwise. Trump, along with anthropomorphic shit-stain Mitch McConnell, refuse to put any effort or budget towards bolstering election security and won't even let the Democrat proposals that have passed the house see the light of day, despite the fact that election security should absolutely be a bipartisan issue.

So get the fuck out of here with this "It's a strategic asset" argument - Trump could not give less of a shit about strategy against Russia and even if he did it wouldn't make this move any less boneheaded.

Broken_Zeus posted...

makes it pretty damn likely

Also known as "no evidence"

Again, I'll counter with "the fact that 42 previous administrations didn't make any public offers makes it pretty damn likely the rest were smart enough to realize what a stupid idea the whole thing was."

Broken_Zeus posted...

And, as a general rule, governments tend to consider strategic land purchases.

Of entire semi-independent regions? No, they definitely don't.
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Andrew Johnson is widely considered one of America's worst presidents. He was impeached and avoided being removed from office by just a single vote. His only major accomplishment was the Alaska Purchase.

Trump knows he's going down in history as the worst and most corrupt president in history, so he's desperate to make a name for himself besides Man Covered With Greatest Amount of Cheetos Dust.
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ITT:

TC quite obviously didnt know that trump wasnt the first to have this idea and then had to google information and pretend he already knew despite acting like this was some ridiculous idea that trump came up with while he was eating breakfast

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/denmark-offers-to-buy-us

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OhhhJa posted...

ITT:

TC quite obviously didnt know that trump wasnt the first to have this idea and then had to google information and pretend he already knew despite acting like this was some ridiculous idea that trump came up with while he was eating breakfast

I was wondering when you'd be back from suspension.

Anyways, nice projection from a guy who struggles with basic math problems, but I'd recommend looking up the news stories on this before you make a statement like this (including the original WSJ article I cited in my first post). I think I'd have a harder time finding one that *didn't* mention Truman's abortive attempt to purchase the island.
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"I'm going to buy Greenland and Mexico will pay for it"
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darkknight109 posted...

OhhhJa posted...

ITT:

TC quite obviously didnt know that trump wasnt the first to have this idea and then had to google information and pretend he already knew despite acting like this was some ridiculous idea that trump came up with while he was eating breakfast

I was wondering when you'd be back from suspension.

Anyways, nice projection from a guy who struggles with basic math problems, but I'd recommend looking up the news stories on this before you make a statement like this (including the original WSJ article I cited in my first post). I think I'd have a harder time finding one that *didn't* mention Truman's abortive attempt to purchase the island.

You're so mad right now lol

Also, your post is way more hostile than the one I got suspended for tbh

OhhhJa posted...

You're so mad right now lol

Have we not outgrown the "umad, bro?" meme yet?

OhhhJa posted...

Also, your post is way more hostile than the one I got suspended for tbh

So mark me, if you think it's mod-worthy. Prove to everyone that your grasp of the GameFAQs ToS is as solid as your ability to calculate percentages.
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darkknight109 posted...

Have we not outgrown the "umad, bro?" meme yet?

Yeah I'm not mature enough to resort to petty insults (that you've overused already). Get new material my dude

darkknight109 posted...

So mark me, if you think it's mod-worthy. Prove to everyone that your grasp of the GameFAQs ToS is as solid as your ability to calculate percentages.

Well, considering I saw a post in Foxx's vegan topic with a vegan calling someone an idiot not being moderated, I dont have much faith in mods giving a damn about the ToS. But clearly insulting someone's intelligence qualifies as an insult which violates the ToS. Whether or not, the mods care to enforce that is a different story since they clearly pick and choose based on their feelings

But also you clearly got very mad and overreacted and your post didnt really dispute anything I claimed so it wasnt worth a legitimate response really

OhhhJa posted...

But also you clearly got very mad and overreacted and your post didnt really dispute anything I claimed so it wasnt worth a legitimate response really

I don't get mad, bro - haven't in years. I get you like to think you have something over me to make yourself feel better, but you honestly aren't worth enough for me to care.

As for not disputing anything, if that's your take on me pointing out that every article on this subject also mentioned Truman's offer to buy Greenland, I guess that's on you.

OhhhJa posted...

Well, considering I saw a post in Foxx's vegan topic with a vegan calling someone an idiot not being moderated, I dont have much faith in mods giving a damn about the ToS. But clearly insulting someone's intelligence qualifies as an insult which violates the ToS. Whether or not, the mods care to enforce that is a different story since they clearly pick and choose based on their feelings

Right, right, I forgot you're one of *those* conservatives that ascribes to the "Everyone's out to get me!! It's so not fair!!" mindset.

For all the guff you guys give about calling other people "snowflakes", you guys sure are sensitive to any pushback against you. Reminds me of teenagers in high school, honestly...
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I don't like Trump but damn TC is so mad right now

darkknight109 posted...

Right, right, I forgot you're one of *those* conservatives that ascribes to the "Everyone's out to get me!! It's so not fair!!" mindset.

For all the guff you guys give about calling other people "snowflakes", you guys sure are sensitive to any pushback against you. Reminds me of teenagers in high school, honestly...

I've never called anyone snowflake. Now you're just making stuff up lol (the telltale sign of an angry man and also very juvenile). As far as everyone being out to get me. That I'm not saying but one mod definitely is. She even publicly bragged after putting me in purg. And another potd mod in the past actually lost his mod status because he was targeting users so it's really not unreasonable to believe that partisan mods are targeting certain users.

I'm just pointing out blatant inconsistencies in posts that are deleted vs ones that are left up

cant wait to hear all the democrats say how buying soil for renewable resources is such a bad idea.

Broken_Zeus posted...

Long before WWII ended? You mean merely a few years earlier?

WWII was only 6 years long. A few years qualifies as "long before" its end.
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