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Revelation34
08/16/19 2:54:50 PM
#52:


The Wave Master posted...
Ewan McGregor was the best thing about the Star Wars prequels. He was the only one really trying for an extended period of time. That's why it's good news that he's coming back to reprise the role for a new series on Disney plus.

I'm not sure of the quality of the series, not to be like P.O. and be cynical, but it's probably going to be bad to mediocre. Let's hope the story, cast, writers, and directors all pan out, and this turns out to be a worthwhile endeavor.


Isn't he too old now?

Broken_Zeus posted...
Oh, the other kinda downside? I usually wind up just watching something on NFI/Hulu/etc instead of one of those things I bought >_> Probably because the other things seem more time-sensitive in a way.


Eh. I prefer to just stream something I physically own so I can keep it unopened still.
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ParanoidObsessive
08/16/19 9:04:28 PM
#53:


The Wave Master posted...
not to be like P.O. and be cynical

It's not cynicism, it's realism.
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Broken_Zeus
08/16/19 9:30:15 PM
#54:


The weird thing about Wu Assassins (well, *one* of the weird things) is that most of the Asian main cast speaks fluent English without much of an accent except for the main character whose accent is so thick at times I miss what he's saying and whose pronunciation can be a little off. Storyline-wise, there's no particular reason for it, since the character had supposedly been in the US since he was a very young child.

Also kinda bugging me? The bizarrely over-the-top backwoods community that they stop into where everybody loudly talks about them being "foreigners," etc.... which gives the show yet another chance to bring up the Geary Act. Then I guess we got the obligatory pointless fight scene because they have to work a fight into every episode.

Granted, this fight didn't look *as* bad as a lot of the others. I think the least-goofy fight so far was the underground street fight match between Jenny and Zan


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The other thing that drives me crazy is the people on this show who call the cops when they shouldn't be calling the cops. In an early episode, CG calls to report Kai as a peeping tom -- despite knowing who he is and his connection to a case she's working -- while undercover posing as a criminal. Nothing about that makes sense. And, in episode 8, we learn that a drug-dealing rideshare driver called the cops to report a gun left in his car instead of just ditching it. People involved in criminal activity try to avoid talking to cops and neither situation warranted a call.

Revelation34 posted...
Eh. I prefer to just stream something I physically own so I can keep it unopened still.


Done that as well.
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Zeus
08/18/19 8:06:49 PM
#55:


New He-Man cartoon (or "anime," according to the article) announced. The downside? The showrunner is Kevin Smith =\

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/netflix-is-producing-a-he-man-anime-series/1100-6469171/

The only semi-interesting element is the fact that they intend to have it continue the original cartoon. I guess the plus here is that I was beginning to be concerned that He-Man would launch from the She-Ra series (I still need to watch seasons 2 and 3, which came out stupidly fast) and, while that would be a neat inversion of how both shows came out, I *really* don't want She-Ra's showrunner involved in the new He-Man. Then again, I don't really want Kevin Smith involved, but he's likely the lesser of evils rather than the evil of two lessers.
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WhiskeyDisk
08/18/19 8:39:44 PM
#56:


Why the hate for Kevin Smith Zeus? I mean the odds of finding someone that would give a cartoon series from our childhood the kind of reverential reach around the recent Voltron series got is remote. Kevin Smith is a total nerd and at least he's going to understand the source material (like all 80's kids shows it was a glorified 30 minute toy commercial) let's face it.
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I_Abibde
08/18/19 9:44:37 PM
#57:


I am willing to give Netflix He-Man a go, since I have been a fan of the franchise since my childhood in the '80s, but it has a steep mountain to climb if it wants to top the '02 reboot (underappreciated, IMO). Same studio as Castlevania, though, and I will take that as a vote in its favor.
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Zeus
08/18/19 10:02:21 PM
#58:


WhiskeyDisk posted...
Why the hate for Kevin Smith Zeus?


Red State
Tusk
Holidays
Yoga Hosers
Clerks: The Animated Series
Clerks 2
Clerks
Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back

Hell, just about the only thing I've seen him do that hasn't underwhelmed or outright sucked is Dogma (and some of his stand-up acts). And this is the guy we're trusting to do this?

Honestly, what in Kevin Smith's career gives you any confidence in his ability to deliver a half-decent He-Man cartoon?

WhiskeyDisk posted...
I mean the odds of finding someone that would give a cartoon series from our childhood the kind of reverential reach around the recent Voltron series got is remote. Kevin Smith is a total nerd and at least he's going to understand the source material (like all 80's kids shows it was a glorified 30 minute toy commercial) let's face it.


Shouldn't be all that hard. Just take somebody who worked on one of the more recent successful Transformers cartoons and use them.

I_Abibde posted...
I am willing to give Netflix He-Man a go, since I have been a fan of the franchise since my childhood in the '80s, but it has a steep mountain to climb if it wants to top the '02 reboot (underappreciated, IMO). Same studio as Castlevania, though, and I will take that as a vote in its favor.


A great studio can't necessarily protect against a terrible showrunner.
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WhiskeyDisk
08/18/19 10:15:48 PM
#59:


I'll give you Tusk, but Red State was a masterpiece, I don't know what film you were watching.
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ParanoidObsessive
08/19/19 12:05:50 AM
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As far as I'm concerned, Kevin Smith stopped being a filmmaker after he "discovered" marijuana from Seth Rogen on the set of Zack and Miri Make a Porno. He went pretty hard into smoking after that, and sort of developed that typical stoner trait of laughing hilariously at all his own jokes, no matter how unfunny they were to anyone else. And then swearing that he was writing the best material of his entire career while high. Which is not the best personality trait to have when you're trying to write comedic scripts.

I don't think he's made a single film since that I haven't found painful to watch. Which is more telling in my case, because I liked a lot of the stuff he did before that, as well as the Clerks cartoon (and let's be honest, he's a Jersey boy, we basically have the same sort of sense of humor in a lot of ways).

It also doesn't help that he started podcasting right around the same time. When you're essentially doing a weekly radio show - and in his case, eventually, multiple weekly radio shows - you wind up burning off a lot of humorous material and creative energy that would otherwise have gone into your scripts. So you've got less energy/interest/material to put into your scripts, which can come across feeling half-assed as a result (and he even said around that time that he felt way more fulfilled podcasting than he did as a filmmaker, so it's not hard to see where he was devoting most of his energy and interest).

Though honestly, it probably doesn't matter who they got to be part of the reboot. Aside from the fact that I've basically ignored all previous reboots of the franchise anyway (and wasn't likely to give a single solitary shit about one being made by Netflix), after recent fiascos like She-Ra, Voltron, or Jem, I've given up all pretense that anyone today is capable of remaking any cartoon property from the 80s that doesn't wind up being a hot steaming pile.

Hell, for that matter, that doesn't just apply to movies. I'd say the same about most 80s films and TV shows. To the point where when someone says something like "We're going to do a Big Trouble in Little China" remake, I don't get excited, I am filled with existential dread. Leave the past alone if all you're going to do is rape its corpse.
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Zeus
08/19/19 1:00:53 AM
#61:


ParanoidObsessive posted...
Though honestly, it probably doesn't matter who they got to be part of the reboot. Aside from the fact that I've basically ignored all previous reboots of the franchise anyway (and wasn't likely to give a single solitary shit about one being made by Netflix), after recent fiascos like She-Ra, Voltron, or Jem, I've given up all pretense that anyone today is capable of remaking any cartoon property from the 80s that doesn't wind up being a hot steaming pile.


Has the new Voltron sucked? I still haven't got around to watching it.

As for Jem, I had forgotten it existed... so much so that I thought it was a cartoon reboot, not a film.

ParanoidObsessive posted...
Hell, for that matter, that doesn't just apply to movies. I'd say the same about most 80s films and TV shows. To the point where when someone says something like "We're going to do a Big Trouble in Little China" remake, I don't get excited, I am filled with existential dread.


idk, I'm still looking forward to that Gremlins remake... assuming it ever happens.
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Entity13
08/19/19 1:38:58 AM
#62:


The current She-Ra isn't that bad. The aesthetic might take a while, but maybe my biggest complaint with it is the obvious Catra ship they're hitting us over the head with, at least until the recent season finale with the "spanner in the works" play they're trying, and you know the two characters will make up before long unless the showrunner decides to kill Catra off. there's no surprise there at all. The rest of the show is honestly fine, and not too far from the original 80s cartoon.
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Zeus
08/19/19 2:30:27 AM
#63:


Entity13 posted...
The current She-Ra isn't that bad. The aesthetic might take a while, but maybe my biggest complaint with it is the obvious Catra ship they're hitting us over the head with, at least until the recent season finale with the "spanner in the works" play they're trying, and you know the two characters will make up before long unless the showrunner decides to kill Catra off. there's no surprise there at all. The rest of the show is honestly fine, and not too far from the original 80s cartoon.


I've also been annoyed by the glaring shipping. Not just because it's obvious, but because casts aspersions same-sex friendships.

Otherwise, I still have mixed feelings about the new She-Ra. The animation kinda sucks, the cast is hilariously purposefully diverse, and it frequently made me feel like they were trying to jam an agenda down my throat.
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I_Abibde
08/19/19 7:41:27 PM
#64:


ParanoidObsessive posted...
Though honestly, it probably doesn't matter who they got to be part of the reboot. Aside from the fact that I've basically ignored all previous reboots of the franchise anyway (and wasn't likely to give a single solitary shit about one being made by Netflix), after recent fiascos like She-Ra, Voltron, or Jem, I've given up all pretense that anyone today is capable of remaking any cartoon property from the 80s that doesn't wind up being a hot steaming pile.


I repeat what I said above: The '02 He-Man is actually pretty good.

Then again, I own the '90s New Adventures of He-Man on DVD, so ... the value of my opinion might be questionable here.

Zeus posted...
Has the new Voltron sucked? I still haven't got around to watching it.


I find the show enjoyable, but the fandom is one of the worst I have encountered. And I say that as a native of Fire Emblem fandom.
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Broken_Zeus
08/19/19 7:43:48 PM
#65:


I_Abibde posted...
Then again, I own the '90s New Adventures of He-Man on DVD, so ... the value of my opinion might be questionable here.


New Advetures was pretty great, though.
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The Wave Master
08/19/19 9:30:20 PM
#66:


Final Fantasy VIII remaster is arriving on September 3rd. It's been literally 19 years since I picked up the game. If Square told me they were fixing The Junction System I would be down for the struggle again, but as it stands, I just don't think I want another 60 to 80 hours of broken gameplay. I can just get the story highlights on YouTube.

Instead I'm going to wait for a piece drop on the Grandia HD collection, because Grandia has one of the beat turn based battle systems in all of JRPG's, and a decent story too.
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Revelation34
08/20/19 12:43:19 AM
#67:


The Wave Master posted...
Final Fantasy VIII remaster is arriving on September 3rd. It's been literally 19 years since I picked up the game. If Square told me they were fixing The Junction System I would be down for the struggle again, but as it stands, I just don't think I want another 60 to 80 hours of broken gameplay. I can just get the story highlights on YouTube.

Instead I'm going to wait for a piece drop on the Grandia HD collection, because Grandia has one of the beat turn based battle systems in all of JRPG's, and a decent story too.


Why would they do FF8 before FF7?
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The Wave Master
08/20/19 3:29:29 AM
#68:


Because Final Fantasy VII is beloved by almost everyone. Final Fantasy VIII is often seen as a giant misstep in the franchise.

Then there is the fact that Final Fantasy VII is a remake, and Final Fantasy VIII is just an HD remake. One took a few years to redue, the other has taken 8 to 9 years.
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ParanoidObsessive
08/20/19 7:21:17 AM
#69:


The Wave Master posted...
Final Fantasy VIII remaster is arriving on September 3rd. It's been literally 19 years since I picked up the game. If Square told me they were fixing The Junction System I would be down for the struggle again, but as it stands, I just don't think I want another 60 to 80 hours of broken gameplay. I can just get the story highlights on YouTube.

If Square told me they were fixing the incredibly shitty writing and piss-poor characterization I might be down to get the story highlights on YouTube, but as it stands, I can pretty much go for the rest of my natural life never seeing a single second of FFVIII gameplay or cut-scenes again and be a happier man for it.
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Entity13
08/20/19 12:16:37 PM
#70:


ParanoidObsessive posted...
The Wave Master posted...
Final Fantasy VIII remaster is arriving on September 3rd. It's been literally 19 years since I picked up the game. If Square told me they were fixing The Junction System I would be down for the struggle again, but as it stands, I just don't think I want another 60 to 80 hours of broken gameplay. I can just get the story highlights on YouTube.

If Square told me they were fixing the incredibly shitty writing and piss-poor characterization I might be down to get the story highlights on YouTube, but as it stands, I can pretty much go for the rest of my natural life never seeing a single second of FFVIII gameplay or cut-scenes again and be a happier man for it.


Hear, hear.

I can't even do the soundtrack either, so I'll have to mute the BGM during the 8-man raid this expansion of FFXIV. At least the raid's story and characters aren't abhorrent, and the latter two bosses so far are nothing to do with VIII.
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Revelation34
08/20/19 3:18:50 PM
#71:


The Wave Master posted...
Because Final Fantasy VII is beloved by almost everyone. Final Fantasy VIII is often seen as a giant misstep in the franchise.

Then there is the fact that Final Fantasy VII is a remake, and Final Fantasy VIII is just an HD remake. One took a few years to redue, the other has taken 8 to 9 years.


Well I guess it also takes time ruining a battle system for no reason.
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I_Abibde
08/20/19 4:58:54 PM
#72:


Ah, well. It's not for everybody, but the missus and I both love it, so we'll be getting the Switch version when it becomes available.
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The Wave Master
08/20/19 5:11:20 PM
#73:


Marvel (Disney) and Sony could not come to terms with keeping my boy, Spider-Man in The MCU. Disney wanted a 5%"First dollar Gross" on the next two potential films, and Sony wanted a 50/50 split. Kevin Feige said, "No Way" because they did all the work and should get more, Sony refused to talk to him anymore, and the deal fell apart.

Far From Home made 1.1 Billion dollars, and is Sony's highest grossing film ever. It would make sense for this deal to get done, but money tends to change a lot of things, and blinds most men.

https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/08/20/breaking-spider-man-out-of-the-mcu-marvel-sony-cant-reach-deal
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Korruptor
08/20/19 8:22:49 PM
#74:


Good timing since the MCU has passed its prime also are you ready for another Spider-Man reboot?
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Broken_Zeus
08/20/19 9:16:37 PM
#75:


ParanoidObsessive posted...
The Wave Master posted...
Final Fantasy VIII remaster is arriving on September 3rd. It's been literally 19 years since I picked up the game. If Square told me they were fixing The Junction System I would be down for the struggle again, but as it stands, I just don't think I want another 60 to 80 hours of broken gameplay. I can just get the story highlights on YouTube.

If Square told me they were fixing the incredibly shitty writing and piss-poor characterization I might be down to get the story highlights on YouTube, but as it stands, I can pretty much go for the rest of my natural life never seeing a single second of FFVIII gameplay or cut-scenes again and be a happier man for it.


idk, you'd want them to keep the terrible character designs? >_> I think Rinoa was the only one who had a half-decent look.

Revelation34 posted...
Well I guess it also takes time ruining a battle system for no reason.


Boo!

The Wave Master posted...
Marvel (Disney) and Sony could not come to terms with keeping my boy, Spider-Man in The MCU. Disney wanted a 5%"First dollar Gross" on the next two potential films, and Sony wanted a 50/50 split. Kevin Feige said, "No Way" because they did all the work and should get more, Sony refused to talk to him anymore, and the deal fell apart.

Far From Home made 1.1 Billion dollars, and is Sony's highest grossing film ever. It would make sense for this deal to get done, but money tends to change a lot of things, and blinds most men.

https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/08/20/breaking-spider-man-out-of-the-mcu-marvel-sony-cant-reach-deal


Well, Disney's terms were an insult (and Sony's kinda sounds like extortion). I'm sure they'll either come around or Sony will make more money doing something themselves.
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Revelation34
08/20/19 9:37:43 PM
#76:


Broken_Zeus posted...
Boo!


Wat.
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Broken_Zeus
08/20/19 9:56:40 PM
#77:


The new system looks more fun than the original.
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WhiskeyDisk
08/20/19 10:18:15 PM
#78:


Korruptor posted...
Good timing since the MCU has passed its prime also are you ready for another Spider-Man reboot?


God knows we haven't seen Uncle Ben die enough times in the past 20 years...
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Broken_Zeus
08/21/19 12:30:06 AM
#79:


WhiskeyDisk posted...
Korruptor posted...
Good timing since the MCU has passed its prime also are you ready for another Spider-Man reboot?


God knows we haven't seen Uncle Ben die enough times in the past 20 years...


It'd be interesting if we had a version where it was Aunt May who died and they instead explored how that would impact Peter's life.... although, granted, he already has the powers at that point so a lot of his early development is already done.

Granted, if they did do a reboot, at this point Sony could actually go with Miles Morales which... meh. I know that a Spidey 2099 would never cross that table, even though the Miguel O'Hara Spidey has enjoyed some mainstream exposure in recent years. A Spider-Gwen would interesting as well, but that would have trouble getting off the ground.
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Revelation34
08/21/19 12:47:06 AM
#80:


Broken_Zeus posted...
WhiskeyDisk posted...
Korruptor posted...
Good timing since the MCU has passed its prime also are you ready for another Spider-Man reboot?


God knows we haven't seen Uncle Ben die enough times in the past 20 years...


It'd be interesting if we had a version where it was Aunt May who died and they instead explored how that would impact Peter's life.... although, granted, he already has the powers at that point so a lot of his early development is already done.

Granted, if they did do a reboot, at this point Sony could actually go with Miles Morales which... meh. I know that a Spidey 2099 would never cross that table, even though the Miguel O'Hara Spidey has enjoyed some mainstream exposure in recent years. A Spider-Gwen would interesting as well, but that would have trouble getting off the ground.


It has? I owned a few of those comics as a kid and REALLY enjoyed them. Also I would love a Spider Gwen movie.
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Broken_Zeus
08/21/19 1:16:19 AM
#81:


We've had multiple Spider-Man games where he was a featured character, he's appeared in several of the cartoons, and he apparently cameo'd in SM: Into the Spiderverse. It's a pretty significant step up for a fringe character from a failed universe.

And the 2099 titles in general were pretty neat. I loved what I read of Punisher 2099, Doom 2099 seemed cool, and I loved the design of Hulk 2099 (although I think only read maybe 2-3 issues of that). X-Men 2099 seemed interesting, but it never seemed as appealing as the other titles.
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Entity13
08/21/19 2:32:47 AM
#82:


I was suggesting to some friends today that a Spider-Gwen film would have been wiser for both companies than all this drama over rights or who's getting paid what.
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Broken_Zeus
08/21/19 2:42:31 AM
#83:


You'd probably still have the same drama because Spider-Gwen is tied to a lot of the assets that Sony has cinematic control over. Granted, something like that they'd probably be okay with a smaller cut on.
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Broken_Zeus
08/21/19 2:50:03 AM
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Do you just stalk me everywhere now? It's weird to question somebody else's existence when you put this much effort into harassing them.
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Broken_Zeus
08/21/19 4:00:24 AM
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Zangulus posted...
Broken_Zeus posted...
Do you just stalk me everywhere now? It's weird to question somebody else's existence when you put this much effort into harassing them.


Who are you again?


You lose the ability to play that card when you go out of your way to stalk me me and respond specifically just to me even long after I posted in that topic. Go take your trolling elsewhere.
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Entity13
08/21/19 11:01:12 AM
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Note that I said "wiser than all this drama," not "there wouldn't have been any drama." I'm unsure how much there would have been, but I'm positive it would have been less.
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I_Abibde
08/21/19 7:53:57 PM
#90:


I recall liking the 2099 universe when I first got into comics, and I definitely enjoyed it when the Exiles series revisited it during one of its story arcs.
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Broken_Zeus
08/21/19 8:40:18 PM
#91:


Something started to bug me today (and no, it's not Zang, he's been bugging me for weeks now) and it's a technical question: Could Spider-Man tear somebody's flesh by using only his finger-tips?

There's an anime (Kengan Ashura) where one character has exceptional fingertip strength where he can literally slice apart opponents with his finger-tips (which, among other things, he trained by climbing using his finger-tips, although he had unusual muscle strength there since birth and, perhaps appropriately enough, believed himself to be superhuman). This led me to wonder if Spider-Man could use the adhesive effect in his finger-tips to latch onto an opponent's flesh and tear pieces off.

(I should note that Spider-Man 2099 sometimes used his retractable talons (also used to grip walls) to do that, but those were specifically talons rather than just finger-tips. And, in at least one case, he used those talons to kill an opponent, although iirc it was an accidental reflex in what his opponent wanted to be a death match.)
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WhiskeyDisk
08/21/19 8:58:28 PM
#92:


I mean, canonically I'm reasonably sure Spidey could rip a mere human in half if he wanted to. Maybe not an Asgardian or a Weapon#.

But if he were in a pure street fight with say, Matt Murdock or Frank Castle or Clint and wasn't holding back out of morality, I'm not sure how this is even a question. I'm pretty confident that anyone with MeHum physiology would be torn limb from limb by an unrestrained Peter Parker.
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Broken_Zeus
08/21/19 9:24:30 PM
#93:


No, I'm talking about a specific kind of damage, not just physical strength. I'm sure he's physically strong enough to do more conventional damage.
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WhiskeyDisk
08/21/19 10:32:48 PM
#94:


Broken_Zeus posted...
No, I'm talking about a specific kind of damage, not just physical strength. I'm sure he's physically strong enough to do more conventional damage.


No I get what you mean. Could he literally flay a MeHum with grip strength? I don't think that's really a question given the g forces involved in his web slinging locomotion shenanigans.

I sure as hell wouldn't want a massage from an angry Spidey.
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Broken_Zeus
08/21/19 10:51:59 PM
#95:


Come to think of it, I guess the physical strength alone would be enough to rend flesh with just pressure from the fingertips. (Especially considering CT's ape attack some years ago.) The friction/adhesive effect wouldn't even need to come into place.
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The Wave Master
08/23/19 9:18:32 AM
#96:


I have seen Perer rip off the sides of buildings, plaster, and dry wall with just his finger tips. Therefore, his combined mutated strength with his ability to cling or strip off non human material means logically he could peel flesh from the bone or from an opponent with ease.

However, it is Peter, and he would never do such a thing, which is a shame, because a lot of his enemies would never mess with hin again if he peeled their flesh after a battle or even during a battle.
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WhiskeyDisk
08/23/19 9:31:18 AM
#97:


Sometimes I wonder if a good old sandpaper slap to the face would be more effective than punching...
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ParanoidObsessive
08/23/19 10:55:41 AM
#98:


Entity13 posted...
I can't even do the soundtrack either

It had a soundtrack?

After coming off the FFVI soundtrack that was so great I went out of my way to buy the CD release (in spite of it being entirely MIDI), and the FFVII soundtrack that was much weaker but still had a few memorable tunes (even if I've never loved One Winged Angel as much as most people seem to), the music in FFVIII felt as completely generic as humanly possible, and it's "hit" single (Eyes on Me) was utterly bleh (though part of that might be because it was the capstone theme to an unrealistic and unwanted romance between two mostly unlikable characters, so it had zero positive resonance for me).

To this day, if you asked me to hum a song from FFI, FFIV, FFVI, FFVII, or FFX, I could easily pick at least one or two (and not the intro or fanfare tunes that are basically in every game). But if you held a gun to my head and told me my life depended on it, I couldn't hum one song from FFVIII. I'm not even sure I could identify one if you played it for me and asked what game it was from. There's just nothing memorable or inspiring about any of it.



Broken_Zeus posted...
idk, you'd want them to keep the terrible character designs? >_> I think Rinoa was the only one who had a half-decent look.

I really liked Quistis' design. Rinoa's fine, but mostly because she's kind of generic. Irvine is just a standard cowboy, albeit with shitty anime touches, and that's a hard look to really screw up. And Squall's wasn't entirely terrible when you consider the standard for FF main characters was essentially turning into "hipster fashion model" - once the franchise decided it was going to be anime-as-fuck, we were going to be stuck with designs like that, and it always could have been worse (Tidus comes to mind). Squall's problem isn't what he looks like as much as his whole personality, motivation, attitude, and the entirety of his narrative.

Zell and Selphie are the ones that really sort of look bleh (though Selphie doesn't look bad in her school uniform), but at least part of the issue with Zell is that he's sort of going down the same path Tidus eventually will (and has a terrible personality to boot).

The real problem is, I wouldn't trust them to redesign them well regardless, because they've more or less still got the same over-the-top anime design aesthetic that they had back then, so there's no guarantee a new, "updated" look would be any better than what they looked like then anyway.
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ParanoidObsessive
08/23/19 10:55:45 AM
#99:


The Wave Master posted...
Marvel (Disney) and Sony could not come to terms with keeping my boy, Spider-Man in The MCU. Disney wanted a 5%"First dollar Gross" on the next two potential films, and Sony wanted a 50/50 split. Kevin Feige said, "No Way" because they did all the work and should get more, Sony refused to talk to him anymore, and the deal fell apart.

Far From Home made 1.1 Billion dollars, and is Sony's highest grossing film ever. It would make sense for this deal to get done, but money tends to change a lot of things, and blinds most men.

Broken_Zeus posted...
Well, Disney's terms were an insult (and Sony's kinda sounds like extortion). I'm sure they'll either come around or Sony will make more money doing something themselves.

The problem is that Sony (rightfully) has all the bargaining power in that particular scenario. Even if Disney "did all the work" it doesn't matter in the slightest, because without Sony's approval, Disney wouldn't have been able to do ANY work.

Basically, Disney needs Sony to do Spider-Man, but Sony doesn't need Disney.

Granted, Sony may need Disney to do Spider-Man well (at least based on recent evidence), but they did fine with early Raimi, and the foundation has already been established to do the current version of the character perfectly well without Disney. So from their perspective they can walk away from that table without hesitation and still likely make a ton of money off the franchise on their own.

Disney are the ones who basically need to compromise to keep that partnership happening, but they're playing a bit of hardball, which kind of makes the eventual Sony "fuck you" somewhat inevitable.

And considering how shit Phase 4 is currently looking, Spider-Man might be better off sliced away from the MCU anyway.



Broken_Zeus posted...
God knows we haven't seen Uncle Ben die enough times in the past 20 years...

It'd be interesting if we had a version where it was Aunt May who died and they instead explored how that would impact Peter's life....

http://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/What_If%3F_Vol_1_46
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/What_If_Aunt_May_Had_Died_Instead_of_Uncle_Ben%3F_Vol_1_1
http://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Peter_Parker_(Earth-6078)

Marvel does that story more often than people realize.

Though personally, if they're going to go full reboot and try to shake things up, I'd almost rather see them go radically different. Let's have the What If? universe where the spider bites Flash, and then Flash becomes a super-villain, and Peter has to invent high-tech armor to fight him (sort of becoming a cross between Tony Stark and Doc Ock in terms of design). Or the Spider-Man Noir universe. Or the Ultimate deal where Peter dies, but it turns out someone cloned him, but the clone is a girl, so you basically get "Jessica Drew" as Spider-Woman, but it's Peter's mind and personality in the girl body.

Not that I think they'd ever do any of that.
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ParanoidObsessive
08/23/19 10:58:28 AM
#100:


Broken_Zeus posted...
Granted, if they did do a reboot, at this point Sony could actually go with Miles Morales which... meh. I know that a Spidey 2099 would never cross that table

To be honest, I don't seem them going full reboot. They're smart enough to want to maintain existing momentum - the only reason they rebooted the Raimi version and the Amazing version was because both of those had hit low points. They're going to want to continue to exploit the current version as long as they can before it bottoms out and they have to reboot again.

Plus, remember, they still want to set up a "Spider-Verse" sort of deal, with Black Cat, Morbius, Sinister Six, Venom, etc. That plan stalled out a bit because Amazing 2 was terrible, but between Far From Home and Into the Spider-Verse doing so well, they're in a perfect position to repivot those plans.

If anything, they'd probably play off the hints of Miles already seeded into the current movies, and have Miles show up and become new Spider-Man after another movie or two with Tom Holland, with at least one movie dedicated entirely to the transition.



Broken_Zeus posted...
This led me to wonder if Spider-Man could use the adhesive effect in his finger-tips to latch onto an opponent's flesh and tear pieces off.

Part of my brain is telling me there was a scene or something somewhere where he used his adhesive fingertips to basically attack to someone's face and kind of pull the skin off, but I might be hallucinating it (if it did happen, it was almost certainly a What If?).

I think he's also done a thing where he kind of palmed a wall and ripped a chunk out of it, but again, I could be imagining it.
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Broken_Zeus
08/24/19 9:01:20 PM
#101:


ParanoidObsessive posted...
(even if I've never loved One Winged Angel as much as most people seem to),


I didn't realize I liked it until I heard it in KH.

ParanoidObsessive posted...
Granted, Sony may need Disney to do Spider-Man well (at least based on recent evidence), but they did fine with early Raimi, and the foundation has already been established to do the current version of the character perfectly well without Disney. So from their perspective they can walk away from that table without hesitation and still likely make a ton of money off the franchise on their own.


They did okay with Amazing at well at first.... but then they cast Jamie Foxx as Electro and for some reason Paul Giamotti was cast as the Rhino (and then barely used). And, of course, it *also* had a downer ending after just coming off a downer ending.

ParanoidObsessive posted...
Marvel does that story more often than people realize.


They do a lot of stuff as one-shot comics and usually the handling is lousy. This would be more than a little different.

ParanoidObsessive posted...
Plus, remember, they still want to set up a "Spider-Verse" sort of deal, with Black Cat, Morbius, Sinister Six, Venom, etc. That plan stalled out a bit because Amazing 2 was terrible, but between Far From Home and Into the Spider-Verse doing so well, they're in a perfect position to repivot those plans.


But don't they have to abandon what Disney brought to the table? Disney would logically have rights to at least some of it.
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