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Looks like the Patriots are re-signing their starting QB. Seems like a risk to employ someone over the age of 40.
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Sam Darnold gonna win mvp and lead jets to a superbowl. Lock it up

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Lots of things have happened this offseason:
AJ Green will miss some games with foot
Antonio Brown is apparently hurt with a foot
Ryan Fitzpatrick is currently set to start over Josh Rosen
Melvin Gordon ('s agent) is currently demanding a trade unless he gets a new deal
Zeke Elliot is holding out and jerry jones says **** you we don't need you

And more!
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Emeraldegg posted...

Lots of things have happened this offseason:
AJ Green will miss some games with foot
Antonio Brown is apparently hurt with a foot
Ryan Fitzpatrick is currently set to start over Josh Rosen
Melvin Gordon ('s agent) is currently demanding a trade unless he gets a new deal
Zeke Elliot is holding out and jerry jones says **** you we don't need you

And more!

You forgot darnold throwing darts in non contact practices. The biggest preseason story

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Fitzmagic hell yeah

Emeraldegg posted...

jerry jones says **** you we don't need you

Wait, did he really?
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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ezekiel-elliott-holdout-jerry-jones-says-you-dont-have-to-have-a-rushing-champion-to-win-a-super-bowl/
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WickIebee posted...

Wait, did he really?

He said you dont need a great back to win a superbowl. So yeah, basically did

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While the "you don't need a star RB/WR to win a super bowl" argument is technically true if we look at the last 20 years or so of super bowls, it's kind of a skewed stat because the Patriots have been involved in a lot of them and they do things differently than every other team in the league.
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Hm, let's see how accurate Jerry Jones is.

Super Bowl 6: Duane Thomas, 95 yds rushing with a TD. (Also 74 yds rushing out of Walt Garrison)
Super Bowl 12: Tony Dorsett with 66 yds rushing and a TD.

And ya know. Tell me Aikman would have won 3 Super Bowls without Emmitt Smith (and like a dozen other super key players, but still)

Jerry Jones doesn't even know his own team's history.
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davidponte posted...

While the "you don't need a star RB/WR to win a super bowl" argument is technically true if we look at the last 20 years or so of super bowls, it's kind of a skewed stat because the Patriots have been involved in a lot of them and they do things differently than every other team in the league.

Not to mention teams that are set up like dallas is DO actually need a star RB to win a super bowl. Dak imo is good, but he is not that type of qb who can carry you, nor do they have the receiving corps to do so either. They are built to run the ball, so it's just asinine to call out zeke like this.
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Jerry's a dumbass, tell me something I don't know

(Granted, Zeke's also a dumbass for trying to hold out this year when he'll still be under contract next year regardless and he needs another year to qualify for UFA, which is why I would be surprised to see his holdout extend beyond Tuesday)

Wait, hold up. Are you saying Jerry Jones is wrong?

Hes 100% correct. In this day and age you dont need a top rb to be a successful team. Yes, Zeke makes them better, that's obvious. But rb is the least important position in the NFL right now (please dont come at me with LONG SNAPPER or something you know what I'm saying).

The fact that even 75 year old Jerry Jones recognizes it says all you need to know about the position.

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Aecioo posted...

Hes 100% correct. In this day and age you dont need a top rb to be a successful team. Yes, Zeke makes them better, that's obvious. But rb is the least important position in the NFL right now (please dont come at me with LONG SNAPPER or something you know what I'm saying).

You may be correct in general. However
Emeraldegg posted...

Not to mention teams that are set up like dallas is DO actually need a star RB to win a super bowl. Dak imo is good, but he is not that type of qb who can carry you, nor do they have the receiving corps to do so either. They are built to run the ball, so it's just asinine to call out zeke like this.

This post is absolutely and 100% correct when applied to the Cowboys specifically

Just look at how shit the team was when Zeke was suspended for six games a couple years back.

A generic NFL team can be successful and win a Super Bowl without a top RB. The Dallas Cowboys as they are currently built cannot.

Reg posted...

You may be correct in general. However

This post is absolutely and 100% correct when applied to the Cowboys specifically

Just look at how shit the team was when Zeke was suspended for six games a couple years back.

A generic NFL team can be successful and win a Super Bowl without a top RB. The Dallas Cowboys as they are currently built cannot.

The team as currently built cant win one no matter what. They are facing an awful situation of a contract extension of a QB they are unsure of, a WR they've only had for 8 months, and one of the best players at his position but that position meaning less and less every season. Jones holding his ground and seeing what Dak does in a prove it year is smart imo

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I should add a few takeaways from the HoF game.

So Drew Lock played with 5th string players. The only player who showed competence on offense was their RB. (And honestly, Khalfani Muhammad looked good, just definitely not Royce Freeman/Lindsay good.)

In 11 passes, he threw 7 completions and if he faced a good defense, he probably would have thrown at least one INT, as one DB or LB, didn't check the player dropped an easy pick when it basically came right at him. Lock is not accurate at the long ball currently. He overthrew every 15+ yard pass. To make matters worse, Brett Rypien, an UDRFA from this year showed more promise in the long ball regards. That said, it was basically a learning process to get Lock to practice more with people running routes, and could have been him playing with people he wasn't practicing with. We'll get bigger names in the real first post season game.

I just watched every Lock play, so nothing really to comment on regarding Falcons side, but really, does anyone care about Kurt Benkert? Didn't think so.
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Also I'm going to go blow my brains out I cant believe I'm defending Jerry Jones

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Aecioo posted...

The team as currently built cant win one no matter what

I'm going to admit up front that I'm biased as a fan of the team, but I really do think they have what it takes on both sides of the ball this year. I wouldn't call them the favorites by any means, but I think they absolutely have what it takes to win one this year (and next year) specifically, before the contracts all run up and they have to overpay a bunch of guys to keep them. Beyond that, the window is probably closed depending on who they re-sign and whether they replace Zeke with somebody anywhere near as good.

Reg posted...

I'm going to admit up front that I'm biased as a fan of the team, but I really do think they have what it takes on both sides of the ball this year. I wouldn't call them the favorites by any means, but I think they absolutely have what it takes to win one this year (and next year) specifically, before the contracts all run up and they have to overpay a bunch of guys to keep them. Beyond that, the window is probably closed depending on who they re-sign and whether they replace Zeke with somebody anywhere near as good.

I'm curious to see what Kellen Moore does, but aside from that I cant picture a world where they beat the eagles for the division (barring injuries) and a wildcard will be tough to come by with how stacked the NFC is. Rough schedule as well

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The Pats in the superbowl would also be tough
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Zeke has made a lot of boneheaded moves in his career, but holding out is not one of them

if he doesn't get a new contract, Dallas is perfectly content to run him into the ground and let him go to free agency where he'll get relatively little
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Emeraldegg posted...

Lots of things have happened this offseason:
AJ Green will miss some games with foot
Antonio Brown is apparently hurt with a foot
Ryan Fitzpatrick is currently set to start over Josh Rosen
Melvin Gordon ('s agent) is currently demanding a trade unless he gets a new deal
Zeke Elliot is holding out and jerry jones says **** you we don't need you

And more!

John Ross also banged up for bengals
AB is likely out of football shape
Not shocking
Not happening
Zeke also facing a suspension again isnt he? Also reports are he put on more pounds again
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MegamanX posted...

Zeke also facing a suspension again isnt he? Also reports are he put on more pounds again

He is not, that's Golden Tate who is facing a 4 game suspension because of a banned substance
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So apparently Antonio Brown got frostbite on his feet. In Oakland. In August.

by entering a cryotherapy machine without the proper footwear
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davidponte posted...

So apparently Antonio Brown got frostbite on his feet. In Oakland. In August.

by entering a cryotherapy machine without the proper footwear

oh my god
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we sure AB isn't playing for the Browns?

Go titans

Cowboys DE Robert quinn suspended 2 games for "PEDs" aka seizure medication. Meanwhile Golden Tate gets 4 games. Classic nfl
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Is the pre-season over yet
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It doesn't even start until tomorrow lol

Ten practices into training camp and Antonio Brown has already gone radio silent with the Raiders. They have zero clue where he is or what the progress of the foot injury is.

Show of hands: who's surprised?
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I think I'll make note of some things that occur per each preseason game regarding watching highlights. First things first: My boys the Seahawks.

Seahawks had trouble on early drives, which of course, is credit to the fact that Wilson didn't play and instead it was Geno Smith, he had some good plays, but also nearly threw two interceptions in a row (which were still against 2nd-3rd CBs, which means they would have been pick-offs in real games). Their first core defense also showed some bad holes as Flacco easily drove the Broncos upfield, but still failed to reach end zone.

Nothing productive happened in Geno vs Hogan, the real battle was former Bronco rookie and current Bronco rookie, Paxton Lynch vs Drew Lock. Lock had an absolutely BEAUTIFUL fake at one point in the game. No one could see the ball, and it was a 4th and 1 situation, so massive clutch moment. Now Paxton, Paxton had a great game, passed and ran for two TDs, had some great throws a couple of moments and looked like a great back-up. Showed that he knows he's competing for a job and did everything he could to make it work. And like I thought, looks like a competent QB in a system that actually is built for a younger QB to succeed, unlike Denver.

If you'd like me to study any of your team, or any specific players, I'll be looking at some highlights today and you can ask me to look for some specific people.
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So apparently, per our very own MSG per Adam Schefter, Antonio Brown is now throwing a fit about not being allowed to wear his old helmet and is threatening to not play football again unless he gets his way.
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Emeraldegg posted...

So apparently, per our very own MSG per Adam Schefter, Antonio Brown is now throwing a fit about not being allowed to wear his old helmet and is threatening to not play football again unless he gets his way.

What a twist
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Bump
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Dak prescott reportedly turned down a 30m per year offer, and is seeking 40m

Also antonio brown lost his helmet grievance, says he's looking forward to joining the team.

Great outcome.
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I'm seeing multiple sources reporting that the 40m part of that is outright false

https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1161016291928489984 and https://twitter.com/JoriEpstein/status/1161020681183608832 for example

also this is pure speculation on my part but I'm like 95% sure that Jerry/The Cowboys FO is leaking this as a PR move which means that there's a fairly significant other side to this story we're probably not getting besides 40m not being true.

Jim Irsay says andrew luck has some sort of bone injury. He makes it sound like not a big deal.

We know how this ends.
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Football

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Please please let cam be okay
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I was planning on taking CMC at the #2 spot buuuuuut looks like I'm leaning Kamara now. This is if Barkley goes #1.
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Emeraldegg posted...

Please please let cam be okay

In a walking boot now. Best case, he'll play later in the season; worst case, Panthers gonna have to rely on one of the backups or make CMC into Julian Edleman 2.0 and make him do everything.
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Initial word is it isn't serious and the walking boot is a precaution

Nanahara715 posted...

Initial word is it isn't serious and the walking boot is a precaution

So what you're saying is, time for CMC to evolve into Edelman 2.0?
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Andrew luck has filed for retirement

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1165435636893016064
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What the fuck
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well things sure escalated
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man, Tom Brady really outlasted both Peyton Manning AND Andrew Luck wtf
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Guess that injury is a lot worse than speculated?