Current Events > Do you think it's wrong when many pro life politicians vote this way?

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CedarPointcp
07/26/19 2:02:41 PM
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this happens all the time, many pro life politicians will vote to make it harder form women to get abortions but at the same time will vote... - Results (5 votes)
yes, wrong
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...to cut funding for programs like wic, head start etc....the same programs that would have helped those kids
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Questionmarktarius
07/26/19 2:06:44 PM
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It's not about "right and wrong", but a politician's own sense of righteousness.
The operating theory is that banning abortion and cutting early-childhood entitlements will somehow magically end fornication. Good luck with that.
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CedarPointcp
07/26/19 2:07:27 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
It's not about "right and wrong", but a politician's own sense of righteousness.
The operating theory is that banning abortion and cutting early-childhood entitlements will somehow magically end fornication. Good luck with that.

yeah no shit, like it will magically end fornication
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CedarPointcp
07/27/19 8:31:35 AM
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bump
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EndOfDiscOne
07/27/19 8:34:31 AM
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Its wrong, but not as hypocritical as the gotcha crowd on the left makes it out to be
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pegusus123456
07/27/19 8:37:52 AM
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EndOfDiscOne posted...
Its wrong, but not as hypocritical as the gotcha crowd on the left makes it out to be

I mean

It's exactly as hypocritical as they/we make it out to be
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Kami_no_Kami
07/27/19 8:39:41 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
It's not about "right and wrong", but a politician's own sense of righteousness.
The operating theory is that banning abortion and cutting early-childhood entitlements will somehow magically end fornication. Good luck with that.


Moral right and wrong is all subjective. If we think of wrong in terms of meaning incorrect however, I would say that the idea that anything is going to stop people from fornicating is absolutely wrong as are any decisions based on this idea.
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averagejoel
07/27/19 8:43:02 AM
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I think it's wrong when anti-choice politicians vote, period
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emblem boy
07/27/19 8:46:19 AM
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Isn't a part of it also that they fundamentally don't think those programs are good for people.
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Southernfatman
07/27/19 8:48:24 AM
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It shows they're more pro-birth than anything. They're usually against sex education and letting condoms/BC be accessible to minors, which would be a good way to nip some problems in the bud, but no...

Most of these "pro lifer" politicians are scheming, opportunist politicians trying to win over the religious vote anyway.
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karlpilkington4
07/27/19 8:51:11 AM
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emblem boy posted...
Isn't a part of it also that they fundamentally don't think those programs are good for people.


Nah, couldnt be. Those programs work great...
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EndOfDiscOne
07/27/19 11:00:05 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
EndOfDiscOne posted...
Its wrong, but not as hypocritical as the gotcha crowd on the left makes it out to be

I mean

It's exactly as hypocritical as they/we make it out to be

Its not. Pro lifers are trying to prevent murder, plain and simple. Yes future abortions can be cut down if there is better child care early on, but its not a direct logical contradiction.
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hockeybub89
07/27/19 12:04:06 PM
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Every fetus deserves a chance to live!

But if its parents are too poor to support its life after birth, fuck it! Should have chosen to be born into a better life!
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karlpilkington4
07/27/19 12:05:31 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Every fetus deserves a chance to live!

But if its parents are too poor to support its life after birth, fuck it!


Maybe they shouldn't have unprotected sex, or simply use adoption services.
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hockeybub89
07/27/19 12:08:41 PM
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karlpilkington4 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Every fetus deserves a chance to live!

But if its parents are too poor to support its life after birth, fuck it!


Maybe they shouldnt have unprotected sex, or use adoption services.

So a child needs to pay for the sins of the parents? A child is a punishment?
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karlpilkington4
07/27/19 12:11:25 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Every fetus deserves a chance to live!

But if its parents are too poor to support its life after birth, fuck it!


Maybe they shouldnt have unprotected sex, or use adoption services.

So a child needs to pay for the sins of the parents? A child is a punishment?


This is an interesting strawman.
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jborgan
07/27/19 12:13:20 PM
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EndOfDiscOne posted...
pegusus123456 posted...
EndOfDiscOne posted...
Its wrong, but not as hypocritical as the gotcha crowd on the left makes it out to be

I mean

It's exactly as hypocritical as they/we make it out to be

Its not. Pro lifers are trying to prevent murder, plain and simple. Yes future abortions can be cut down if there is better child care early on, but its not a direct logical contradiction.

Sex education, access to contraceptives, birth control, and the right to have an abortion reduces the number of abortions in the long run. If they didn't have such a black and white view, they could accomplish exactly what they wanted.
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hockeybub89
07/27/19 12:17:41 PM
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karlpilkington4 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Every fetus deserves a chance to live!

But if its parents are too poor to support its life after birth, fuck it!


Maybe they shouldnt have unprotected sex, or use adoption services.

So a child needs to pay for the sins of the parents? A child is a punishment?


This is an interesting strawman.

What strawman? We don't want children to be killed due to the irresponsibility of their parents, but we're ok with them starving and struggling due to the irresponsibility of their parents?
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hockeybub89
07/27/19 12:18:58 PM
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jborgan posted...
EndOfDiscOne posted...
pegusus123456 posted...
EndOfDiscOne posted...
Its wrong, but not as hypocritical as the gotcha crowd on the left makes it out to be

I mean

It's exactly as hypocritical as they/we make it out to be

Its not. Pro lifers are trying to prevent murder, plain and simple. Yes future abortions can be cut down if there is better child care early on, but its not a direct logical contradiction.

Sex education, access to contraceptives, birth control, and the right to have an abortion reduces the number of abortions in the long run. If they didn't have such a black and white view, they could accomplish exactly what they wanted.

"We want to prevent baby murder! Let's make it harder to prevent situations where someone might consider baby murder!"
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karlpilkington4
07/27/19 12:21:10 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Every fetus deserves a chance to live!

But if its parents are too poor to support its life after birth, fuck it!


Maybe they shouldnt have unprotected sex, or use adoption services.

So a child needs to pay for the sins of the parents? A child is a punishment?


This is an interesting strawman.

What strawman? We don't want children to be killed due to the irresponsibility of their parents, but we're ok with them starving and struggling due to the irresponsibility of their parents?


Adoption
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hockeybub89
07/27/19 12:26:13 PM
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karlpilkington4 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Every fetus deserves a chance to live!

But if its parents are too poor to support its life after birth, fuck it!


Maybe they shouldnt have unprotected sex, or use adoption services.

So a child needs to pay for the sins of the parents? A child is a punishment?


This is an interesting strawman.

What strawman? We don't want children to be killed due to the irresponsibility of their parents, but we're ok with them starving and struggling due to the irresponsibility of their parents?


Adoption

Are we going to force all poor and otherwise irresponsible parents (deemed by who exactly?) to give up their children? Or are kids just fucked if their parents want to keep them? Don't tell me what the parents should have done before the kid was born. Tell me what we should do with these kids who according to pro-lifers shouldn't suffer for the poor decisions of their parents
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Hicks233
07/27/19 12:28:00 PM
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Unfortunately it's mostly right.

If they were willing to support legislation that looked after, developed and provided a safety net for those children as they grew into adults then they wouldn't look like such fucking mongs, but the attitude of life mattering only until they have been born - then fuck them, doesn't do them any favours.

It's an irritating split where, for in the most cases in the US, if you want someone to advocate for social support for people you'd look to: what are supposed to be Democrats [fuck knows what they are now??], but if you wanted a pro-life stance so that the kid is born in the first place then you'd look at what is [supposed] to be Republican. On top of this, there are big problems with disproportionate abortion rates of Black children, but neither party seems to give a shit about that.

It needs both to co-operate to prevent lives being needlessly ended and to have a safety net and security in life once they're born.
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bkkorps
07/27/19 12:46:26 PM
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jborgan posted...

Sex education, access to contraceptives, birth control, and the right to have an abortion reduces the number of abortions in the long run. If they didn't have such a black and white view, they could accomplish exactly what they wanted.


lets be real, their current position is what they want. they dont want really want to stop the "killing of babies", they want to control women. the babies thing is just a happy side dish to the main course.
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EndOfDiscOne
07/27/19 12:54:31 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
EndOfDiscOne posted...
pegusus123456 posted...
EndOfDiscOne posted...
Its wrong, but not as hypocritical as the gotcha crowd on the left makes it out to be

I mean

It's exactly as hypocritical as they/we make it out to be

Its not. Pro lifers are trying to prevent murder, plain and simple. Yes future abortions can be cut down if there is better child care early on, but its not a direct logical contradiction.

How does preventing future abortions not qualify as preventing murder if they think abortions are murder?

Because its not an unchallengeable fact that improving child conditions prevents abortions in the future. I believe it does, but it directly doesnt contradict the pro lifer logic.
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Evening_Dragon
07/27/19 12:57:24 PM
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karlpilkington4 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Every fetus deserves a chance to live!

But if its parents are too poor to support its life after birth, fuck it!


Maybe they shouldn't have unprotected sex, or simply use adoption services.


You realize this topic is about preventing people from getting contraceptives while also not letting the abort?
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Deadpool_18
07/27/19 2:28:02 PM
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I think its wrong to be pro life.
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Shablagoo
07/27/19 2:30:15 PM
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hmmmmmmm

gonna have to say yes
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Smashingpmkns
07/27/19 2:32:26 PM
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Pro death penalty, pro life.

Dummies.
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TomNook20
07/27/19 2:32:31 PM
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They're just pandering to religious people. The politicians themselves generally don't follow any religious teachings, if they did they wouldn't be politicians.
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Antifar
07/27/19 2:35:55 PM
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I think it's wrong when anybody does it
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Kami_no_Kami
07/27/19 8:57:54 PM
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karlpilkington4 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Every fetus deserves a chance to live!

But if its parents are too poor to support its life after birth, fuck it!


Maybe they shouldn't have unprotected sex, or simply use adoption services.


So we need to stop teenagers from making bad decisions, stop people from having sex or force all women to carry their pregnancies to term and then transfer the result of that pregnancy into the already horribly clogged adoption system.

All great ideas...
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