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Damn_Underscore 07/18/19 4:58:51 PM #51: |
Socialism by definition is social ownership of the economy, which generally just turns into government control of the economy because it is impossible for people to self-run an economy outside of a village scale.
And that is where socialism will fail. Unless everyone in a region wants socialism (or communism), it can't work, and the bigger a region gets the more impossible it gets to have everyone want socialism, especially if it is forced upon them. So no, the Nordic countries are not socialist countries and if you actually want the US to become anything like the Nordic countries, you are doing a dissiverice by not trying to remove any association with socialism. --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Balrog0 07/18/19 5:01:12 PM #52: |
tennisdude818 posted...
My assumption was that philosophy professors are largely responsible for this. I would assume its more of a self-selection thing to be honest --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 07/18/19 5:02:32 PM #53: |
Damn_Underscore posted...
And that is where socialism will fail. Unless everyone in a region wants socialism (or communism), it can't work, and the bigger a region gets the more impossible it gets to have everyone want socialism, especially if it is forced upon them. The reality of any given redistribution scheme, is that it exists at the grace and mercy of those being redistributed from. The alternative, of course, is guillotines, but the critical flaw in eating the rich is figuring out who to eat tomorrow. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Balrog0 07/18/19 5:21:34 PM #55: |
Godnorgosh posted...
Philosophy professors don't do this. Like other professors, they educate students on concepts without prescribing a "correct" worldview. It just so happens that someone who is educated on Marxism is more likely to incorporate it into their understanding than someone who is not. Oh, I dunno, I feel like professors in the humanities and social sciences do this in various different ways, and I can see the way it might influence either group of students without directly telling you what to think. Having taken economics and philosophy classes and having not majored in either, though, I suppose my view is pretty limited. Anyway, I think its more likely that the kids who choose to do econ are more conservative and those who choose philiosophy are less so to begin with --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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legendarylemur 07/18/19 5:22:29 PM #56: |
Questionmarktarius posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...And that is where socialism will fail. Unless everyone in a region wants socialism (or communism), it can't work, and the bigger a region gets the more impossible it gets to have everyone want socialism, especially if it is forced upon them. Yeah it could probably work if an AI developed advanced enough to automate redistribution, but then we'd end up getting dystopias lul. Who truly knows how dystopic it will be in actual practice though? I think humans will feel self-fulfilled enough to not care that their role ends up largely out of their ambitions --- "Iwata was awesome" - Mr. Nintendo https://i.imgtc.com/7dRrfE1.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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averagejoel 07/18/19 10:07:37 PM #57: |
Balrog0 posted...
tennisdude818 posted...I think a particular Thomas Sowell quote fits very well here: isn't Thomas Sowell the guy who can't think of a larger issue facing society than the allocation of beachfront homes --- peanut butter and dick ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pls 07/19/19 8:28:50 PM #58: |
so many comrades on CE
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Questionmarktarius 07/19/19 8:58:58 PM #59: |
averagejoel posted...
Balrog0 posted...tennisdude818 posted...I think a particular Thomas Sowell quote fits very well here: Sure, if you've missed the entire point. Basic Economics, fifth edition (p. 14) Many people see prices as simply obstacles to their getting the things they want. Those who would like to live in a beach-front home, for example, may abandon such plans when they discover how extremely expensive beach-front property can be. But high prices are not the reason we cannot all live in beach-front houses. On the contrary, the inherent reality is that there are not nearly enough beach-front homes to go around, and prices simply convey that underlying reality. When many people bid for a relatively few homes, those homes become very expensive because of supply and demand. But it is not the prices that cause the scarcity. There would be the same scarcity under feudalism or socialism or in a tribal society. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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